How Shane Changed Rick Grimes Forever 

Exactly!

Agree

He was a pretty realistic character, and I believe he would've made it in the apocalypse if he hadn't fallen for Lori.

@@mads7157 right

I actually loved Shane, I miss him still.

Would’ve been so cool to speculate as to where Shane was the entire time if we didn’t keep with him. I’m sure people like myself would’ve made MANY videos on it 😂

That would have been awesome.

They would'ved loved eachother

Rick would've been like: "Mah Negan!"

lol I can just picture Shane coming out of the rv and being like m’ask you sum Rick you want all these people to die?

That's pretty deep and seems the truth

Nah Shane would’ve tried to kill rick after Lori’s death, putting the blame all on him

@@jasonoy3142 Probably. There's also a big chance that his paternal instinct would kick in and he would focus on Judith's care before mourning Lori's loss.

For me, him trying to kill Rick or letting Rick kill him can both be true. I think he was willing to kill Rick if he saw that Rick still couldn’t step up and take him out when he knows how dangerous he is to the group and would’ve believed that Rick was too weak to take care of them. However, like you said, I think Shane would’ve been fine or may have been trying to get Rick to kill him and would’ve accepted dying that way as well. Jon Bernthal, Shane’s actor, seems to confirm this too. It seems like Shane realized and knew one of them needed to die there.

@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln nah Shane was losing his mentality in s2, Lori’s death would just make him lose his mind completely

but also he was just taking out his anger he had for lori

Yeah, otherwise he would've beat Ed's ass a lot sooner.

@@IIIISai literally what I said lol

We all applaude Shane for beating Ed's abuser ass

Yea he was obviously taking out his anger after Lori confronted him

Exactly

That's not true because Shane had morals and he was a cop,so you believe he would just watch this happen and do nothing to defend her?Lori was just a reason to give him extra punches

Lori was being a total bitch to Shane after everything he had done for the

@@Landeredits that’s what the original comment said my guy

@@Landeredits he didn't have to beat him to a pulp.

I agree completely

I agree but people still won’t learn. It’s like they are bashing Shane for no reason.

Honestly, the whole reason why I can’t *completely* get behind Shane as a character is because of how he treated Lori. They both had their faults in the relationship, but the dude literally assaulted her and just generally wouldn’t take no for an answer. Their whole relationship since Lori found out Rick was alive was literally just: *Shane:* I love you. We should be together. *Lori:* I was only with you because you told me my husband was dead. I have no feelings for you. At least not anymore. Ergo, I don’t want to be with you. *Shane:* I’m gonna take that as a, “Try harder.” Obviously Shane was way ahead of the curve and I can love him for that, but the dude was out of line in so many ways when it came to her.

Killing Otis was not 'Shane's flaw'. It was murder.

@@linaskranauskas Well, Rick said himself that he would’ve done the same thing. It was Carl’s life in the balance. To completely ensure he survives, one of them had to stay or get left behind while the other escapes. Shane did tell Otis that he should take the bags and go but Otis didn’t want to.

Yeah, she was manipulating both of them. Sending mixed signals to Shane whenever it benefited her and then completely rejecting him again a few scenes later. She told Rick that Shane needed to be dealt with and that he was trying to take her and Carl away from him. Her reaction to Shane's death actually put Rick in a rage because he spent most of the remaining time she was alive, distancing himself from her and being extremely cold. She was ultimately responsible for Shane's death and Rick knew it. If people couldn't see what she was doing prior to his death, I'm surprised they missed the most obvious sign when she rejects Rick's embrace shortly after finding out he killed Shane. It was in that moment Rick realized she loves Shane and as I mentioned, he distances himself from her completely after that. There wasn't even much of reconciliation between them before she dies.

@@panspermiapancakesin my opinion, i don't think that's why lori was disgusted. after hearing rick say he killed shane she was obviously shocked, and decided to talk to him personally. she was upset but accepted it, hugging him, then stepping back ready for him to turn towards her (as he had his back facing her). she only rejected his embrace after he told her that carl was the one who shot him after he reanimated into a walker. that was too far for her as she wanted to protect carl from becoming cold which as a mother makes sense. i'm not defending lori but she also has a right to be shocked after hearing what happened it wasn't easy for anyone. rick also didn't hate lori after that, if you watch season 3, rick breaks down and admits to lori (who he believes he's talking to on the phone) that he did still love her more than anything, but he couldn't be vulnerable and let shane's death and everything that went down get to him or else he wouldn't be able to lead and protect the group. he still loved lori and loved shane but couldn't risk breaking down and not being able to lead the group. rick is a great man who put his family and the group before himself that's why he's the goat of the show😊

@@ericacullen I just watched that scene again and I'd say you made a fair assessment. Granted, she did technically start removing her arms from around him the moment he mentioned Shane was killed. However, you're right that she didn't start breaking down and rejecting Rick until he mentions Carl. I can understand where she was coming from when considering it from a motherly perspective since you mentioned it. I know that Rick still loved her but I felt like his distancing himself from her was an appropriate reaction to how she reacted to learning about Shane's death. If we want to be fair here towards Rick, Carl was only out in that field when Shane reanimated into a zombie is because Lori was supposed to be watching Carl at the farm house but like always, she lets him out of her sight and he takes off. Her reaction to Rick still wasn't called for because the only reason Carl shot Shane is because she let Carl out of her line of supervision. I don't hate Lori, I think she is was an extremely accurate depiction of a real life woman that would have done anything needed to keep her son safe and that includes hooking up with a guy like Shane to keep him safe. The writing in the first two seasons were phenomenal when it came to group interactions and dialogue. It all felt so real with how each person was handling the outbreak. Lori's actress gets too much hate, she was doing everything the show writers wanted. lol

@@panspermiapancakes Well no one can watch their kid 24 hours adults too need time to handle their things. Carl wouldn't listen and constantly left when he was told not to. But I agree that knowing how he failed to listen so many times should have made Lori check on him from time to time. No one saw him leave the house.

​@@ericacullen in my opinion she used carl as excuse to be upset when in fact she was angry that shane died

Idk why this comment is so funny to me 😂

😂😂😂

All 100% true points

Look noones arguing shane had his faults in the cringe love quarrel, but so did lori lol, he was literally moving on and she just brought him back in, confusing signals, terrible wife and mother lol, love the actor though

John Brethnal the best

He assaulted her at the cdc, but it was consensual before Rick came back.

Stubborn assholes run the world were the best people their are as we see a solution we act on that solution that solution always wprks

Ayo

hold up

Shane did not adapt he simply went crazy. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie adapted.

@@AnythingLounge Shane adapted first, at a time where the group couldn't handle it. Rick had to evolve into Shane to survive.

@@gabigochev7703 Yh exactly right Shane adapted then went crazy because of his love for Lori but he still adapted to that world

Exactly

Asking Shane to stay could have been out of guilt. Telling Rick what was going on could have been out of fear especially after Dale got to her. Either way she had to live with her own actions too.

I’m going to paste something I responded to on another video. Lori giving Shane mixed signals all changes if you look at the scenes closely. See below: ​ Nah, we aren't tripping... Just hear me out. Yes. Lori told Shane to stay twice. The 1st time was S2 E3, IMMEDIATELY after Hershel saved Carl, thanks to Shane retrieving the medical supplies. After Hershel and Rick go to tell Patricia about Otis, Lori turns to Shane and gives a quick nod of appreciation. When Lori is at Carl's bedside, Shane comes in. He just gives her this pleading look like, "Do I still have to go? Can't I stay now?", which makes Lori feel obligated to say yes. In the next episode, Shane asks Lori for the 2nd time, saying, "Did you mean it when you told me to stay?". He asked her because he KNEW he's asked her that at the most vulnerable time he possibly could have. Shane had heard Carl was awake, and she says, yes and that he will make it. You NEVER see him go back in that room to check in on Carl again (after he returns with the supplies), so the ONLY REASON he went in there at that exact moment was to ask her to let him stay. That was the main thing he was worried about. This makes me seriously question his motives when he volunteered to go to the High school. Yes, he would do whatever he could to save Carl's life. It's obvious that he cares for him very much, but it feels like he KNEW Lori would feel indebted to him, and that is incredibly manipulative!! Go back and watch her facial expressions when he asked her if she meant it. She is caught between a rock and a hard place... what else could she say to that?? Pressuring her like that was a pretty rotten thing to do, if you ask me. Look, Lori was a poorly written character at times, to be sure. You can see it multiple times throughout her run on the show. No argument from me there. Still... that doesn't negate the fact that Shane was a dick. He always did whatever he wanted, no matter what everyone else thought, and did not care if there were consequences. The ONLY time I saw Shane do something completely selfless was when he saw Carol stumble out of the bush after she lost Sophia. He helped her clean up, and I swear it made me wonder what he was up to, lol. Rick seemed more like a Beta in S1 and S2 to me, even though everyone else saw him as the Alpha. Even Daryl said to Dale that when it comes down to it, Rick ultimately looks to Shane. Lori only tells Rick that Shane is a danger after Dale tells her what happened to Otis. TBH, Dale really should have told Rick that Shane had him in his crosshairs back in S1. Everyone can see Shane spiraling. In S2 E9, Shane tells Lori that the two of them were "a long time coming". This shows me that Shane had had his eye on Lori LONG before Rick's accident or the start of the apocalypse. God, he was manipulative in so many ways! She then tells Rick that Shane is delusional, as he truly believes they should've been together a long time ago. Also, Shane KNEW there was a chance that Rick didn't die when the machines he was hooked up to at the hospital lost power, otherwise why would he have put that hospital bed up as a barricade in front of the door to Rick's room? He never told Lori, nor did he ever try to go check on the man who was his partner, best friend, and like a brother to him! Lori is right when she says he is delusional. He is becoming more deranged by the day. Shane steadfastly believes something that is NOT TRUE, except in his own mind. This is what makes her warn Rick about him. It's that, plus the totality of everything (minus the issues she is unaware of, ie: Dale's concerning run-ins with Shane) that scares her. She knows he killed Otis and left him behind so he could get back to her and Carl. He says he loves her and that they are supposed to be together... and this puts her husband at risk!! When Rick hears this, he realizes she is right, as that is EXACTLY why he himself killed the two guys at the bar- so he could get back to his family. He says, "It was gonna be me [that lives] and not them, no matter what". She clarified the he killed the living to protect what is his, and that Shane thinks they are HIS. He thinks Rick cannot protect them and is going to get them killed. She is NOT wrong when she says he is dangerous and won't stop. They know him well and are aware that he will do whatever he wants and is unconcerned about the consequences... as I said earlier. In S2 E10, when Rick pulls the car over to talk to Shane, he admits to Rick that he killed Otis. When he hears him say that it had to be him who survived and Otis that died, Rick knows without a doubt that Shane will see it the same way with him. When Rick says it took everything in him not to beat the shit out of Shane when he realized he'd slept with Lori, Shane sees how mentally strong Rick is (compared to himself), he knows they will end up fighting, and that Rick won't go down easily. He hears him say that he will stay alive in order to keep his family alive, and Shane realizes he will have to try to kill him. Shane then sees that lone walker in the field. I think he knows that if he doesn't change course, he will end up just like that... and SURPRISE!! Shane becomes a lone walker in a field at the end of it all. When they arrive at their destination, Shane does confess that he doesn't think Rick can keep them safe, just like Lori said. Then, when he realizes Daryl has now become Rick's right hand man, he sinks even deeper. Yes, Lori inadvertently opens a can of worms when she goes to talk to Shane by the windmill (and that’s not her fault), but here's the bigger picture: she goes to APOLOGIZE to him for her part. She says she is sorry for putting the two of them at odds, unnecessarily complicating things. I think she thought he and Rick had let things go and were starting fresh, as that can happen sometimes after guys fistfight. She is empathetic with him, saying she knows how hard it must be for him that he might be the biological father, but that the baby can never be his. She also thanks him from the bottom of her heart for protecting her and Carl, and for being there for her. She genuinely apologizes for things getting confused between the two of them (for him AND for her), but at NO POINT has she EVER let him think there could ever be anything between them again, and that she is committed to Rick. Her coming to him to thank him and to apologize for the bad times IN NO WAY means she wants him back. I do not understand why someone would think it does. To me, it seems like the entire group, minus Shane, wants to move forward and get along. She was being the bigger person by going to him in order to clear the air. It is NOT her fault that he assumed there could be something still there. Shane just heard what he desperately wanted to hear. When someone assumes and doesn't communicate to be clear, it makes it incredible difficult to have a conversation in the future. It is immensely frustrating and does nothing to help the situation, and it may make that person feel unable to approach them again. Shane wasn't wrong about everything. He was spot on about stopping the search for Sophia after coming to the conclusion that she was probably already dead by then, about what to do with Randall, about the walkers in the barn, and about Rick being more concerned about the hostage than with his own son. He is simply too aggressive and refuses to listen to others' viewpoints... then he goes and does what he wants anyway. He is headstrong, and is NOT a team player. Add all these issues up, and take into consideration that he is becoming increasingly unhinged, and you've got a BIG problem!!

​@@anatorres9715when Shane wanted to leave after fixing the windmill, Lori told him that she doesn't know if the baby is his or Rick's prompting Shane to stay and do what he did. Lori is just as much to blame as Shane. She played him.

Even if the lori situation ended, rick would still never make the hard calls he needed to, cuz as soon as he killed Shane he changed, and Shane's little speech he gave to rick talking about " ima better man than you rick.... you just come back and destroy everything!" they're energies were colliding anyways, rick wanted shane to comeback to the farm but that would cause more problems

@@IIIISai Very true, especially since LORI got pregnant with SHANES baby, that would put the final nail in the coffin as well

why are we yelling everyone's name?

@@SerotoninSorbet lol I prefer to call it highlighting but I like to make words louder too

@@SerotoninSorbet idk SEROTONIN SORBET but its so fun 😁

True and not true because they still accepted the terminus people and was coming to them for help

Yes but if you may notice, they were alot more reluctant to trust them and had their doubts from the moment they entered it@@vhesiswayze1974

Good theory, and I agree

Makes sense and I also agree

But shane was a selfish sociopath who only cares about Lori and Carl. While I do agree on him being ahead of his time on some aspects he ultimately was too unstable to keep alive

@@Vaughxn That's true he was selfish (only cared about Lori, Carl, and Judith) but he wasn't a sociopath.

Nobody cringes when thinking about s5 Rick

He would do nothing like he did while he was alive. He would just whine to Rick that he's a bad leader. when Rick was dealing with Randal's group, Shane was sitting at a table waiting for Hershel's food to be served to him.

He would’ve got himself killed against Negan stop playing

@@AnythingLounge ow yea and tbh governor was a way better fighter probably one of the best fighters and would kill shane in a fight. And I wouldn't be surprised if Shane would want to joint the animalistic mature of the whispers. Either way i don't think Shane was made to last lol. Cool character though.

@@linaskranauskas bro watched rip off walking dead

He would’ve probably gotten himself killed and probably someone else killed when Negan lined them up. I don’t know how it would’ve went with the Governor or the Whisperers though.

That would've been an interesting turn of events

Things would’ve probably went differently.

Why do you relate to Shane is it because if you wanna live, you wanna survive, you gotta fight for it?

So you want to relate to Shane because you’re crazy as well? Because that’s pretty much all I can think when it comes to Shane. Shane did not adapt btw he simply went crazy. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie adapted.

@@AnythingLounge All the choices Shane made are the same choice Rick and co did in later seasons. You’re telling me S5 Rick would’ve kept Randall around? If your answer is no, then you’re proving my point Shane adapted first

Cringe

@@UndyingHunger Shane was ready for the apocalypse. What Dale said about him being ready for that world was correct. Shane knew everything he needed to do to survive but couldn’t let go of Lori and Carl, which was his downfall.

You realize Judith is his baby right? It’s Shane’s daughter

Date the actor! Date the actor! `They grow old so fast!´

He died even sooner in the source material. Not to lose it wouldn't have made sense there was no way to bring a happy ending for Shane once Rick came back. He was right to want to leave and should have just done so.

Shane did not adapt 🤡 he simply went crazy. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie adapted.

@@AnythingLounge yes he did, he adapted before anyone else did. What Rick becomes Shane already was, thus why at the end Rick sees Shane and is that anger Shane is trying to bring back out.

@@AnythingLoungeHe did both.

How could the gun have been unloaded? He fires a shot, after he's stabbed by Rick. It goes harmlessly to Rick's left side, into the ground. It wasn't unloaded, at all. Watch closely at 6:28 of this very video, and you can see it.

@@jeffreytackett3922 it was an alternative scene of shanes death which was cut out. but i prefer it more bcs its just makes more sense

@@kristofvarga7518 it's more cooler and makes Shane a let of a bad guy. But it certainly makes no sense. At this point shane completely lost it and seemed pretty willing to kill Rick.

yeah. really REALLY REALLY wish they would have pointed out that he straight up assaulted Lori, or just not have done it if they weren't gonna address it. I have mentally ill and traumatized family (and have PTSD myself) and Shane was just acting so exactly like when someone has a self destructive breakdown from trauma. I hated that nobody really addressed that and what happened to him.

Wasn’t that Jon Bernthals idea and then Darabont shot it down?

Thanks a lot man!

if you are on the verge of death, you would not think for more than 10 sec to kill another person who is not close to you to survive.... friends or family are another matter but deep down we have a will to live even though it might require sacrifices...

@@neogeo1670 did he have to kill Rick to survive? he's only dead cuz he kept trying to kill Rick but failed, and then ended up being killed himself

@@grungeg7086 i did not mean rick i ment the guy Shane shot in the leg

@@neogeo1670 Otis. But not even including that, his insane obsession with Laurie caused him to act unhinged in *OTHER* situations.

@@grungeg7086 he could've killed rick very easily but didn't want to

Thank you 🙏🏻

Thanks!

That was his only real issue his obsession with Lori and Carl. He became unhinged because of that it helped destroy him even if he could survive in the new world and already was seeing what had to be done to survive. But his obsession got the best of him in the end.

Ah! Thank you for noticing!!

he didnt shoot otis for revenge, he shot otis to slow down the zombies. otis was pulling him back, if he didnt shoot otis, he wouldn't have been able to bring the equipment hersel needed to save carol's life.

That’s a shout actually cuz u didn’t hear from them at all after Randall everyone just assumed they had all died

interesting

@@IIIISai plus I you think about it. Even tho they abandoned Randall they had to be in walking distance since Randall would have been able to take Shane to them by foot, so we can assume they might as well had to abandon their Hideout because of the horde that attacked the farm. From there they stumbled across the Terminus Signs and attacked it

@@norbertbluhm6999 u have a creative mind, i agree with that theory, it's why everyone besides shane in s2 was weird, daryl told them randall and his ganged R*ped woman infront of their dads, and robbed and killed, but they wanted to free him, made 0 sense, anyways yea if the zombies didn't come, we don't know what woulda happened, and yea terminus was close, even woodbury, and the prison, the issue with the walking dead is they dont always follow up on concepts and stuff Anyways, they made tyresse have hallucinations of the govenor and dead characters, they didn't make rick have hallucinations of shane arguing, they only talked about shane once and judith even lori, this randall gang thing idea makes sense but in the terminus they killed the guy without explaination

@@IIIISai It's all a big "What if". Let's say Shane and Andrea did left the group, that would lead to Randall getting free and since he knew where the farm is and knew who Beth was they would have returned and turned the farm upside down. Plus the Horde never came across the farm since there wouldn't be a gunshot to Shane's Guts which changed the path of the Horde In the first place. I agree with you that there are many amazing concepts throughout the story that TPTB just abandoned and left with loose ends Also I love your Username.

This was the original for the show?

@@tylermoeser9557 nah that was Kirkman and Bernthal's idea.

This is really brilliant

I know right! If we’re getting Tales of TWD we can get a What If as well

Yeah, most people know that, but the comics are still better than the show.

What happened to him in the comics anyway I know he dies early but why? Did he turn on Rick before they got to the farm or something?

@@downtothesnails3320 He got shot in the throat by carl in the book. Shane was alive for like 5 issues lol

the issue with this idea, is they brought shane back into the show after 7 seasons and kill him right away

Yeah just like Negan when he was making a very hard decision to kill Glenn. He saw it was hard on Glenn's people but he had to do it, because he said 'no exceptions'