You say "street fighting skills", but realistically isshin has subtley been teaching Ichigo hakuda his whole life. By randomly attacking him with flying kicks and random punches (or so it seemed to Ichigo) he was secretly building his reflexes and defenses, as well as forcing him to develop counters.
normally I'd say ur overthinking this shit, but I believe this. I actually like thinking of it like that, its not like every plot element will just be outright told anyway right?
@@pinacolottacum1877 I mean, it makes perfect sense when you think about it. Isshin knows that ichigo can see souls. He knows ichigo has a lot of spiritual energy. He knows a hollow already tried to kill Ichigo when it killed his mother. The local shinigami rep is incompetent. On top of that, one of his closest friends is a Quincy and his son goes to school with Ichigo. All these things make me think Isshin wanted to train Ichigo but wanted to do it naturally and without scaring Ichigo since he was still a kid.
@@MaskOfCinder well yes.. but actually no. *but why does it matter who gave him power? Aizen's was accidental and Yhwach only awakened his quincy power... so
Guy That at that time he was irrelevant, ppl didn’t wanted to see him being able to fight 1v1 against ichigo at that time cuz we would’ve thought he was still weak
Ichigo is what is referred to as a Natural Born Fighter. It basically means that even without training he is deadly. But he learns more from taking part in actual combat then in training, Because while in a fight he learns at a faster rate then someone who trained in the same techniques. There are a bunch of people like that in the real world too. This is what makes him so great. Awesome video.
I totally forgot that Konpaku essentially all get zenkai boosts after surviving mortal danger. I had recently thought back on bleach and was a bit confused, thinking that it seemed like many of them had progressed quite slowly compared to Ichigo but suddenly started growing faster.
Do you think that 90% of the problems in the arcs would have been solved if Ichigo would have just listened to White from the beginning? I wonder how this wouldve changed things.
I would've liked to have seen ichigo bonding a little more his hollow/sword and see him do other shit like that. White could've trained him more hollow techniques
@@angelgab-8594 White from the beginning was evil. He even said something like "take care of him cause that body will someday be mine." When he fought Kenpachi. Only interest for White was to not let ichigo die cause he would die too tho. So ichigo had no choice but to work with old man.
I just finished the soul society arc and it is AWESOME, ichigo's Wins were heard by everyone and rightfully so , he took on and defeated some of the most powerful people without Bankai and you have to remember at this point he was still learning about Zangetsu and how to properly use it . When he arrived on the bridge to Save Rukia is such a chilling moment, and I'll never get tired of the leutenants and captains going " What is this guy " every time he got up Coz ermmm that sounds funny coming from them considering their powers 😂😂
Yknow I've gotten so used to such extreme power scaling that I kinda really didn't notice just how strong all these characters were until I actually looked in depth into it.
Clyde some dude say that gin is slower than what he said about the 500x speed of sound but aaroniero dodge light in the early stage of the arc tho and gin is far above him so it makes gin faster than light and make other people in the show faster too so i dont know why people are try to down scale there speed also people who try to down scale people of a show which have feats that show that they have this speed or this power are can no accept it.
I know this is late but didn't we find out that aizen knew about ichigo way before anyone else and had plans for him because of ichigo's potential?... That's why I think aizen didn't cut him in half when they fought.
lorenzo345 he knew about him since his conception and wanted to make him stronger so that he would make him stronger by pushing him to his limits with the hogyoku
Aizen didn't miscalculate on Sogyoku hill, he was simply lying to scare Ichigo. Aizen basically created Ichigo and manipulated his whole life so that when Aizen reached his ultimate power he would get a true fight out of Ichigo before he eliminated the Soul King. Why in the world would he kill Ichigo then when he's been manipulating his entire life so he could get what he wanted. It just wouldn't make sense. Aizen is an unreliable narrator you can't trust everything he says.
It can be said that even without ichigo mastering his bankai it’s still a 10x increase because his bankai only increases he speed and strength while bankai that have abilities give a 10x increase anyway
If ichigo wasn’t nerfed after the soul society arc then it still doesn’t explain how byakuya is able to beat both the 7th and 0th espada unless ichigo was being nerfed by the combat pass. Which would make sense since even lieutenants are required to be under the 5x power seal while on earth. Byakuyas scaling is what really whiplashes the entire scaling of bleach in the arancar arc.
Did you stop to consider he could block it because there was no weilder behind it? Seems a bit more plausible. It's not like he put a dent in the thing. Gravity alone would carry it fast enough to behead someone like Rukia who is depowered but maybe they usually have someone swinging it for high level threats?
Byakuya never stood a chance against Ichigo he only was surviving because he was using the Bankai wrong. When white shows him how to use it he destroys Byakuya strongest attack. It’s hilarious how weak Byakuya was pre revival compared to Ichigo and Kenpachi.
Remember guys, all of his power gains, shikai, bankai etc, were all fake and was actually a suppression to his own actual power. That itself told us how bonkers Ichigo is. He wpuld solo yamamoto on is 1st day at SS.
After rewatching this video a question kind of came to mind. Was ichigo's true powers on display when white took over in his fight with byakuya? My thinking is when white is in control doesn't that mean that "old man zangetsu" (because I can't spell U-Ha-Baka) is no longer able to hold back ichgio's power because white is currently the king and not the horse?
@@CyberSkullNova The Old man zangetsu sealed away ichigo's shinigami powers so even if white took over him he was using normal power and not fully because to Remove the seal of power he need to fade away
I thought it was obvious that the Sokyoku didn't attack at full power because it didn't need to to kill Rukia. Rukia isn't convinced Ichigo can stop it on the second pass. I think its as strong as advertised it just got blocked off guard.
would ihcigo even be able to fight tousen in his bankai? He would be able to sensei tousen's reitsui. But without being able to see the blade to attack or defend he'd get bopped even if he is physically stronger then Tousen?
Soul Society Ichigo took out 3 Lieutenants without even using his Zanpakuto. And one of those Lieutenants (Sasakibe) had a Bankai for hundreds of years at that point.
AstraKala Yeah he was stated by Yamamoto to be at captain level as Yamamoto asked him to be a captain but he chose to be under yamamoto cause he respected him
@@wisamalkhoory6237 *Don't read this is a don't want spoilers* Ichigo's was always a Shinigami,Hollow,Quincy since birth and his powers are a mystery in some parts of the story his spirits are in total Disarray and sometimes his spirits are willing to help him get through something but mostly keep his powers locked due to Ichigo shunning something that is still and was always a part of his soul and other times due to the spirits intentionally hiding ichigo's power to discourage him from getting in more dangerous situations which as we all know didn't work on Ichigo as he kept running towards death every chance he got.
His fight with Kenpachi will forever be my most favorite, such character development from that point on. And Zaraki is such a beast, he was so overpowered as a child.
Right his little chat to Byakuya when he reveals his Bankai with a smile was badass. As well as the power he emits during Bankai release was perfect for the moment.
Man, that spiritual pressure shooting out like a getsuga. The tornado of dust and ichigo slicing through it. Only one of Ichigo's bankai releases matches that. And that's when he went into bankai and put his mask on the same time against Ulquiorra the first time.
@@marlonthomas2713 Then came Vasta Lorde Ichigo rose after he "died" to put down Ulquiorra 😈😈 truly epic. Ichigo has a way of putting on a show when he achieves a new power.
Kenny Green well it does ichigo barley beat a sealed Renji which is pretty weak tbh since I’m pretty sure soul reapers who go to the human world gets a seal on their power
Let's be honest. Everyone in this arc who didn't know Ichigo at first was probably thinking that this dude was some freak amongst freaks of nature for how quickly he grew in strength to the level that would usually take decades at least and centuries on average for anyone else.
True that. And I love how everybody explains it like: Oh it's because his father was a shinigami, that explains why he became so strong so fast which is BS as there are other reapers from family's of reapers no where near as strong. The they go, oh he has a hollow, oh the hollow is a vasto lorde(also BS), oh his dad is a reaper captain of one of the 5 noble families(makes Ichigo a nobleman on par with Byakuya), oh his mom is a quincy so he is a hybrid shinigami/quincy/hollow/fullbringer. It's just MC BS
Aizen explains in episode 308 or 309 that the hogyoku's will can have an affect on those around them. Ichigo wanted to get stronger to protect those around him. The hogyoku sensed that and he was able to get ridiculously strong in a tiny amount of time
Dark Sparda well it’s not new it always exists and then there’s no point to the naruto vs ichigo argument if ichigo always had feats to make him multi universal
That time i was reincarnated as a truck I genuinely don’t think Ichigo is multi universal,he’s no doubt solar(eos including every feat and seeing the way he was nerfed by the shinigami badge and yuha) but Naruto even with all his chakra can destroy a country so...idk man
@@Takanome98 you say that with so much dignity. Mate 3 realms SS, hueco Mundo and world of the living made the universe which was devided by rei-o and Yamamoto alone was going to destroy the SS and Seth claiming that SS being planet is before the release of light novels. SS has to be the size of multiple galaxies to make 1/3 of the entire universe and contain trillions-quadrillions of souls along with numerous stars and Ywach who could easily destroy all these realms saw that Ichigo bankai would be the death of him. So yeah Ichigo have to be universal.
Ginjo is millions of times slower than Ichigo, fullbring bankai is equal to Ginjo bankai in speed… fullbring bankai weaker than base start of series Ichigo?
@@seantrotman2039 I dont wanna shake/disturb the whole Power-Scaler-Community to the Core but i just realized its possiblle we Always misunderstood how Multiplier work. Dont tell me its possible we just assumed the x5-10 is meant tobe 'temprorary during Bankai' instead of 'permanent when the Shinigami simply attains it?
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@@pathofthen7988 one of the hardest moment in Bleach bruh Ichigo, whom was bodying mfs up until now, was like "yo I got this!" And the Aizen stopped his sword AND his theme song with a finger, Aizen heard the boss music but it was inconsequential 😭
When ichigoat dropped his sword and gave the Lieutenants the paws like a chad 🤤, but great vid I love how we’re getting power scales of each version of Ichigo here
@@foxolocation3853 Okay Naruto sure has mastered Taijutsu and when it comes to H2H naruto would win not counting the speed(Bcuz lets be honest Ichigo is faster then naruto) But Ichigo never lose any of his powers without his zanpaktou there are multiple scenes supporting it such as him wiping the Lieutenants without his sword. Ichigo was attacked by his father constantly, which is something subtle enough to slip people's minds. Isshin did not have his powers at the time, however he still had his hakuda skills, which he used to teach hakuda to Ichigo, with no one being any bit the wiser about it. Have some knowledge.
kushagra sharma thank you for proceeding to throw out what I said a comment ago regarding the difference between actual speed and reaction speed yes ichigo learned that art of combat compared to naruto which is smarter has more experience if this is hand to hand using no sp or chakra to enhance attacks then sure either way but if we do allow the to use said sp and chakra to increase their strength the only hand to hand feats we have with ichigo is when he clapped the lieutenants and and fractured or broke the zanpaktou creator’s fist we don’t have enough feats of which to say he wins while we have naruto who one shot a moon buster with a super chakra punch in base him swapping hand with people who have dropped meteors from the sky I doubt it and if speed is basically your only argument to give ichigo the win then idk what the say cause really it makes very little sense that ichigo is many times light speed takes him hours to get to Hueco Mundo and really ichigo speed is inconsistent he gets out speed by a attack assuming its 500x the speed of sound which is pretty slow to the light speeds they should be fighting attack best answer is just the reaction when naruto kcm sage mode literally seems to be similar to teleportation when he move and is keeping up with minato not saying naruto is fast as an instant but it’s inconsistent
I would LOVE a how strong is Kisuke, at any point in the story. Specially cause he's my fav character but knowing how strong are bleach characters is hard.
@@eloquitodelaesquina Yea I think like a scaling of just his shikai and bankai would be cool. I really likes his bankai although I dont believe his shikai was ever discussed in depth so thatd be cool to hear about
@@eloquitodelaesquina we know for sure kisuke is insanely fast. At least 20×FTL in shikai by dodges point blank Balas which is cero at 20× speed( cero is spiritual light)
Jeez I remember when I first watched this arc years ago, Bleach was the first anime I ever watched and this moment plus his fight against byakuya really sold me as an anime fan. I'm so happy that Bleach is returning. 😊
I always forget that Ichigo's bankai gives him enhanced speed due to compressing his power into a single point. I miss watching him run circles around an enemy as he did with Byakuya.
@@lorddukfoxyzeppeli7921 ...I dont wanna shake/disturb the whole Power-Scaler-Community to the Core but i just realized its possiblle we Always misunderstood how Multiplier work. Dont tell me its possible we just assumed the x5-10 is meant tobe 'temprorary during Bankai' instead of 'permanent when the Shinigami simply attains it?
@@nenmaster5218 I mean idk how you would get a 5-10x when you haven't changed. Sure when you have achieved Bankai you need to be stronger than you was before but if you already had the multiplier before using bankai then why would you ever use bankai. It'd just be a waste of reiatsu if they didn't gain any additional multipliers
I personally feel like Ichigo's sensory abilities are a bit like a roller coaster. Sometimes he's amazing at it, like the time he sensed Chad whilst fighting Zaraki, whilst at other times he's not all that great, like the time when he only sensed Arancar Grand Fisher by the time Isshin showed up. Shinji even mentally comments something along the lines of "He's only now just sensing that? Is this guy for real?".
Not really Chad's someone ichigo has for years and would know the feel of were as Fisher only met twice and not someone ichigo would keep a sensor out for as it drags up emotionally turmoil when hes already dealing with white It also shows hes a protector not a warrior as he always senses his allies and only really goes after enemies when they've done something
I think emotional turmoil definitely has a part to play With it. Ichigo's constantly shown he can't use his full power when he's going through something emotionally straining.
Which goes to clydes point, 10+ characters having the POTENTIAL to affect the world on a universal level. Kubo did a mediocre job at setting power levels straight in bleach, which hinders some aspects of world building in the bleach universe.
If this kind of speed can be considered a two-digit multiple of the speed of light, I can't Imagine anyone dodging Mugetsu with it being (according to Aizen) in another dimension.
I always thought Mugetsu was a litteral time drift You can't dodge it because it is instantaneous in that time in that soace the attack exists and therefore its impossible to dodge
That’s why it annoys me that people like to claim it’s easy to dodge. Sure, it’s a thin attack, but Aizen in his full monster form, who transcends all Hollows and Soul Reapers (aside from Ichigo) couldn’t dodge it. Its speed is immense.
@@lilyvalentine9294 yeah it’s practically instantaneous as it transcends a transcendent being. I can get it not being able to completely destroy large foes but there’s no dodging it unless your on some dbz level shit
yes his zanpaktous ability is to release and compress burst of energy. Combine that with Quincy blood(natural ability to absorb, sense, and release reiatsu) and Hollow reiatsu makes it entirely OP.
Ichigo was constantly nerfed through out the series between the pass, his own powers being imbalance, not even having a Spoiler True Zanpakuto to begin with Ichigo, though in the case of the pass I don’t think he was being nerf THAT much only when he was in his body and Ginjo did say it was only when he had the pass on him is when it be restricted. Still, it took a lot of hoops and hurdles for him to get close to his true potential, and I don’t even think we fully saw that in the manga.
Morons: "TYBW icHiGo iSNt LiGHtSpeeD, ReeeEEEeeE!!1!" Early bleach ichigo: *blocks and deflects a lightspeed attack from a menos grande* TYBW Ichigo: *uh oh, stinky*
What I dislike about these fictional universes is that the characters react and move so fast that it can only be FTL when you analyse it with real physic.
Saihaan Selim the only dumb one,here,is you my friend(and the original commenter) See, It's impossible,in our universe,for any object to travel at light speed. Only,well,light,can travel at light speed. So for all intents and purposes, Bleach (and every anime ever) exist in a completely different universe from ours,not only in aesthetic terms,but physical as well. Who's to say "light" in the Bleach universe moves at light speed? Because it's not the same laws as our universe. You can say "well they have gravity and light,so that makes it just like our universe" no,no it doesn't, because NO OBJECT can move at light speed,In our universe. It is physically impossible. So when dumb "power scallers" like you and the commenter say stupid things like this,I can't help but laugh
Yes,Serhan,they are not. But that was not my point. No object,in reality,can surpass lightspeed,no object can even get close to light speed,and despite them being shinigami,they have physical properties. Understand what Im saying? That's why when I hear stuff like "oh man he can go 20 times the speed of light" im just like "but this doesn't MEAN anything!" And that's a problem I have with power scalling,in general. It's just stupid. It doesn't make any sense. Because anime, comics,whatever, they don't follow our rules. You understane what Im saying?
Should do white ichigo, even though he’s apart of ichigo I still think he’s very interesting sum ichigo could’ve bin with the versatility he uses in battle
He's stronger than the Vasto Lorde Ichigo that made a fool of Ulquiorra. Zangetsu would actually be stronger than that Ichigo, since he was only at half of his powers when he foughy Ulquiorra. Not only that but can also use his sword better than Ichigo himself, as we saw when Ichigo fought him.
Another thing to remember is that he never wanted to kill anyone, he was only there for rukia. So if he wanted to, he could have killed all of those lieutenants, or even kill byakua. *MAYBE* kenpachi because he did injure him a lot in his fight So everyone is lucky that Ichigo didn't go full lethal otherwise he could have given them some bad casualties
The Sokyokou being blocked was pretty hilarious. It gets blocked two more times, like, this thing was supposed to be godly and it just immediately gets repeatedly no selled.
My head cannon will always be that Ichigo got nerfed after Soul Society. Mostly, because of the badge and he didn't get as strong as he should be until Vasto Lorde form. 50% of Ichigo's spiritual energy was being restricted by Zangetsu and 80% by the badge. His spiritual energy was still that strong,I'm guessing as powerful as Lieutenant, with only 20% + because White was trying to come out. I believe once he mastered Hollowfication was able to use 30- 45% of his own spiritual energy. Vasto Lorde 70% ( mostly Hollow), and Dangai being 70%(mostly Quincy since it looks like a Volksatndig) as well but Final Getsuga being 100%. I consider Fullbring Shinigami Ichigo as back to his original 50% like Soul Society Arc since his fullbring comes from the badge that was supposed to seal away his power. However, these are percentages which dont give much in quality but how much of his full potential.
Make a video about whether Aizen was preparing Ichigo for Yhwach. Considering Aizen made a powerful race hybrid purposefully at some point knowing that Yhwach is going to come back. And then this hybrid will be trained enough to face him, when Yhwach actually reappears.
I completely forgot Tousen used Resurreccion. Makes me wonder if that was yet another of the powers Ichigo should have gained. My belief is that the original ending of Bleach was meant to have Ichigo take the place of the Spirit King because he would have all the powers across the board.
Yeah stuff like this that really makes me laugh. Death battle is obviously more about entertaining but they really should consult the people who do research like this. The speed calc for ichigo was so bad.
Naruto has more fans than bleach, that’s really all the cared about. They probably knew that ichigos actual calcs were insane so they found a way to lowball him. Personally I don’t care about who wins but at the same time different shows are on different levels. Naruto is stronger than one piece, bleach is stronger than Naruto and dragon ball is practically infinitely stronger than them all. Strength doesn’t define a show but it pisses me off that they bullshit so hard. With later bleach anime characters it’s clear they are at least planetary and yama is legit as hot as the suns core passively with his bankai, while kaguya: the strongest character in narutos kamikaze attack was stated on planet level, and that was by far the strongest attack in the series.
@@redjaygaming9757 that’s bullshit. The databooks themselfs said kaguya’s final truth seeker orb is planetary. It was destroying her pocket dimension. The way pocket dimensions work is that while they have all that space, their true physical existence is limited. With obitos kamui he can take in almost infinite stuff but it would only take enough power to defeat him to destroy the kamui dimension. It’s an insane unpractical feat that kaguya’s pocket dimension is even planetary in actual size. If you wanna bring up that there were stars and such then is ulquiorra universal because he destroyed the pocket dimension grimmjow put him in? Kaguya has the highest amount of chakra in naruto except maybe momoshiki, but she’s planetary. Naruto is my favorite anime and I actually like kaguya’s character even if I don’t like her as a villain, but stop wanking the characters this hard dude. The solar system is billions of times planetary, it’s actually thousands of times greater than star level because of the distance that it embodies.
0:53 one of my fave moments was when the music kicked in and Ichigo swings his sword at Aizen and . but the sword and the music stop dead, it was such a shock as the show had programed us to expect Ichigo to win whenever that music is playing.
I wish we got to see more hand to hand combat from Ichigo. I feel besides the Soul Society arc they only showed him really use it in his regular human form.
@@lorddukfoxyzeppeli7921 brother I'm waiting so much for the trailers. I'm also enjoying other mangas and Animes, I'm loving it man. Mangas and anime made my life beautiful.
I still find it funny how *BEFORE* Ichigo goes to the soul society and when he still not to long gotten[awakening] his powers from Rukia his "Spiritual power" was already very close to that of a captain.
Has Naruto shown any casual multi ftl feats? Cause I've always believed Ichigo stomps Naruto in less than a second and I haven't seen anything that makes Naruto anywhere near his speed. Even the light fang dodge.
Yes he buffed an army that was most made up by thousand of men 3x times kakashis chakra by THOUSANDS of men in kcm alone and kakashi is light speed since he kept up with obito and obito as a child fought with someone who was ftl and that was like baby kcm 2 naruto not even close to his six path powers ehich are arguably 100x multiplier
It's a constant toss-up between Katen Kyoukotsu: Karamatsu Shinju and Senbonzakura Kageyoshi. As for the second question, I want to see how they handle Minazuki's Bankai form.
