I think it’s worth noting that if the emperor is in solitude because of the dark brotherhood quest, ulfric will refuse to attack the city claiming that it would bring the full force of the empire down on them. This implies that the imperial forces in Skyrim are but a fraction of the empires true power
this was just half of the empire strength as a former legion soldier theirs a lot more most other provinces if they revolted would not get such a greeting from the empire skyrim gets it because it is the backbone of the empire that and it cant be called and empire with just 2 provinces it takes 3
what i said was easy to under stand but i will make it simpler what was in skyrim was half of the empires forces and only it gets treated with half the other provinces get less army's to stop revolts
Anyone remember after Tulius was brought in he was able to deal with Ulfric quickly? And said if he had a proper legion , the civil war would’ve been over already? I think this implies the empire we see in Skyrim is a VERY small fraction of the true power of the empire
You are right. Tulius himself tells that he does not want to spend Imperial resources on skyrim. In fact the imperial army on skyrim are made of peasants and not of military
@@TheSenhorcaioo I think the good General Tulius underestimates the Stormcloaks as well as the willingness for the rest of the population to join the cause. For example he first thought that the Stormcloaks didn't have enough troops to capture Whiterun. True that at the beginning of the game Ulfric was about to be executed, but this action can easily backfire and make him a martyr. Also the hands of the Imperial Legions are tied without the support of the politicians and merchants. When you talk to the loyalist Jarls or when you attend the parties at the Thalmor Embassy it is shown that the merchants and Imperial officials are in the pocket of the Thalmor. They are all bribed or threatened into submission, so in a sense the Empire is already lost.
@@serronserron1320 the third empire is only biding it's time. Everyone hates the thalmor. They will take their money sure but when push comes to shove humans loyalties will always be with other humans, and at the very least, people who don't believe that humans are scum.
he likely know they were writing about him he was a prisoner and a lot of stupid imperial supporters forget the uncooperative bit and claims it proof he is bad
Always remember that, as far as Ulfric knows, he's RESPONSIBLE for the Empire falling because he cracked under torture. Dude's honour and Talos talk is all posturing for power.
pieoverlord the note said the imperial city had already fallen before he had broken. Although he did technically betray the empire by taking the bate in the first place, maybe he was already planning his rebellion back then, just used the white gold concordat as a ruse
People forget how Tulius and his group of men are still able to ambush and basically end the civil war if Alduin didn't interrupt, he as a foreigner and newbie to this land was capable to outmanoeuvre Ulfric and his closest warriors, given a little more time, even without the reinforcements he would've won no doubt.
It's a fact that there are childbirth booms shortly after wars, WW2 being a good example. And given it's 25 years the Empire definitely has MASSIVE amounts of manpower available.
I don't know if that rule also applies if the threat of war is still hanging in the air. The baby boom after WW2 had to do with the happiness of the people defeating the enemy. That's still rather different from what happened here.
It had to do with many factors - the availability of cheap housing and the GI Bill, which lead to a massive increase in college graduates, were the driving factors in America. The manufacturing build up from WWII also became the most integral component of wealth-building as industrial workers suddenly found themselves accruing pensions, stock options, and wages well above what was possible prior to the war-driven industrial boom. People were pleased, of course, that the war was won...it was a massive civil and military effort. War depresses birth rates, in main, because it destroys resources/infrastructure necessary to maintain families. They rebound after, generally speaking, due to the rebuilding efforts of societies ravaged by war, or, in the case of post-war America, due to the massive influx of wages and education into lower strata socioeconomic groups which made social mobility possible for those folks.
+Estoric Ulmanist Naive? Are you from Europe? Didn't think so. Any idea how terrible the Nazi regime was? Probably not, you've only ever read it, those people lived through it, constant fear of getting fucked over by one of the SS. Europe never had real fear of the Soviets, that was the Americans who feared socialism.
You don't need to hunt them, just find a few thalmor on the road, don't forget to bring amulet of talos & just confess you worship talos, they will attack you on the spot. Free thalmor gear, no messy crime record & no bounty added even if you have 400k septim to pay anyway
@@zerosanity3057 Whenever Justiciars attack me (which is *very* often since Elenwyn was unceremoniously bludgeoned), Imperials and guards always help me, without exception. I like to roleplay that it's because the Second Great War broke out after I massacred so many Thalmor.
Germany built up it's military massively the 6 years from 1933 to 1939, being reduced to almost nothing after 1918... Makes sense then that if the Empire had 25 years to rebuild, that would be plenty enough.
@nathan smith tell that to germany who went thru the arden forest twice.. 😂 or ask hannible... that nigga brough elephants.. fking elephant thru the alps.. HUH... its call BRAIN CELLS and whoever the genuis was that said "oh u say this is tuff impassible terrain...? and army could never get thru..? ight bet.. imma pass it.. and bring big ass elephants too" deserves a whole damn nation of their own.. 😂 cause they DID IT..
Just remember though, Oblivion shows the Septim Empire. The last Septim, Martin, sacrificed himself, and that was 200 years ago. Two Centuries ago. This is the Mede Dynasty in it's late second generation
@@ceasefire2825 Yeah. The Last Dragonborn may be one of the only chances for getting an alliance and attacking the Thalmor before the Thalmor properly recover..
@@spikymarshmallow7611 rome had multiple dynasties, but if we only counted the first one then them technically the Roman Empire would’ve ended with Nero but obviously it didn’t, Cyrodil still us the same form of government back in oblivion albeit in decline but still powerful, to me it would’ve been cool if they had a Byzantine/Greek look in The next elder scrolls game
Ever since i first started playing skyrim, i’ve always had the impression that the imperial forces in skyrim have always mirrored how the real life roman empire utilized their legions, meaning that the forces in skyrim are only those of the single legion stationed there. Just like how the local roman legions in Britannia had to put down Boudicca’s Briton rebellion.
All the soldiers in Skyrim are recruited locally. It’s only really the command staff that is from the empire. The legion in Bruma would probably completely outshine the imperial force in Skyrim
Agree 100% sick of all the people saying the Empire will fall! The elves cannot win a war of atrittion due to the birth rate alone! I think the emperor's death was planned by the emperor to nulify the hold the Thalmor had over the upper echelons of Imperial authority and provide a new leader (who isn't sullied by the WG concordat.) Plus, worth mentioning. The legion wouldn't want to send any reinforcing (real) Legions north to face the stormcloaks (old warriors or farmers turned warrior as per timeframe) as they need to keep the border as fortified as possible and give the Thalmor no avenue of attack while solving issues. This also explains why General Tulius is there. A decorated commander, he is easy to move back rapidly to the front as a key commander of elite legionares and he does comment on the state of the local armies being farmers and generally not real soldiers! He is the emperors bid to a) win with minimal resources or b) keep a little civil war running to prevent other Thalmor machinations and have them wasting their resources and time. If it started going sideways then the legion could always send a real legion in to desimate the Stormcloaks with heavy FORMATIONS and Cavalry as well actually disiplined troops! Anyhow! Love the lore and perspectives Fudge!!!!
"The legion wouldn't want to send any reinforcing (real) Legions north to face the stormcloaks (old warriors or farmers turned warrior as per timeframe) as they need to keep the border as fortified as possible and give the Thalmor no avenue of attack while solving issues." "If it started going sideways then the legion could always send a real legion in to desimate the Stormcloaks with heavy FORMATIONS and Cavalry as well actually disiplined troops! " I'm not sure what you're trying to say with "FORMATIONS" (Roman formation tactics didn't require experienced soldiers) but you already mentioned why the Empire can't afford to send reinforcements. They are needed to protect Cyrodiil from the Aldmeri Dominion and obviously can't be at two places at once.
You're not 100% wrong, but you're looking at it and missing like half of the points. The Legion is weak at the moment, really weak. The Dominion's state is unknown at the moment, but I doubt that they are weaker than the Empire, otherwise the WGC would never have been signed. If Skyrim would gain independence and forms an alliance with the other human provinces (Hammerfell has good cause to join, they hate the Empire and the Thalmor, they'd get allong with the Stormcloaks really well) (High Rock supports neither the Empire or the Stormcloaks in the civil war, while officially being a client state to the Empire, meaning that they should be 'forced' to help the Empire in the war. Refusing this seems to indicate that High Rock doesn't want to be on the bad side of the Stormcloaks, and if the Stormcloaks win direct routes between Cyrodiil and High Rock will cease to be, making it almost impossible for the Empire to hold the province) the human alliance would be the strongest force against the Dominion. If the Stormcloaks win the war the Empire falls, because then ONLY Cyrodiil will be left. If you control no provinces, you're not an Empire. That they fight the civil war with the weak forces that they have there indicates that they're thinly spread as fuck, because if they lose the war they will lose their Empire.
@@x.a.2758 With that I'm just saying that yes while the troops require only token training to assume formations non were seen in the Civil War! I know its the engine but a token and untrained legion is a good excuse for this lack of coordination and organisation.
Xenia A. The point there I think was that the Empire can send more troops to Skyrim if the situation turns real dire, but if just possible, want’s to avoid that. About formations: they are dope. The point is, that even a ilexperienced force trained to fight in some kind of formations is better than a group of hardy warriors fighting individually. If you want a real life example of what happens when a disciplined army in formations fights an undisciplined army of warriors, check out the Battle of Watling Street.
"The point there I think was that the Empire can send more troops to Skyrim if the situation turns real dire, but if just possible, want’s to avoid that." Yes, it's possible - but not without lowering their defenses against the Dominion. That's exactly why the Thalmor wanted this war and why they are secretly supporting the Stormcloaks. If the next Emperess is wise, she'll make a new treaty with the Old Holds for the next war instead of wasting more lives and ressources in the current one. "About formations: they are dope." Yes, but only in open field battles. Every battle we see in Skyrim is a siege against medieval-style fortifications. The infantry storming mindlessly behind the broken barricades is actually quite accurate for medieval warfare. Infantry in medieval Europe was mostly ill-trained mercenaries or farmers who were equipped with weapons by the local souvereign. I know, the Empire looks a lot like a mixture of ancient Rome and late medieval Europe, so it's natural to wish for some classic Roman formation tactics. However, that's not going to work against a fortified city like the hold capitals. Technically, we should expect some heavy siege weaponry, some cavalry and a lot more bloodless strategies.
Choosing to be neutral in the civil war is the worst possible option. The Thalmor uses the civil war to weaken the Empire and watches as humanity kills itself.
Basically. I could've forgiven it's blandness if they had actually implemented the features they wanted like the opposite side counter sieging and the ability to lose the war. Instead, modders had to try and complete their work.
join stormcloaks if ulfric doesn't respect the decisions the dragonborn. Dragonborn becomes High-King it would be easier for the dragonborn to Rule thats for sure. the Dragonborn defeating Ulfric in Honorable combat would be the way to united the Nords. honestly there's a dragonborn out there who could solved Everyone's problems just ask him to be the King.
If u do some math and digging u would discover they have like 15 to 19 legions on the border with the dominion. With the elven slow reproduction and their losses 30 yrs ago , a war shortly afer Skyrim would be a win for the Empire.
Yeah, but the Empire might want to at least get Great House Redoran to help them, Morrowind operates like it's independent, but still technically is apart of the Empire. Plus, the Bosmer in valenwood apparently hate the aldmeri dominion for committing genocide, so the empire could easily get Valenwood to help.
Altmer reproduction is actually equally as high as human fertility. Uncertain about Bosmer though. The age of maturity is the biggest red flag here, as for elves, if I recall correctly, fertility isn't a thing until they are 19 years old.
The empire recruited some untrained Nords to fight against the Stormcloaks. There is even a in-game reference about the empire being easily capable, to smash the Stormcloaks with only ONE imperial legion.
lets say your right, if a single imperial legion is all it takes, that just further proves the empires weakness, that they cant even afford to spare one single legion according to you.
I always fight for the empire while killing any thalmor I find.. God I can't wait for an elder scroll game where we burn the thalmor capital to the ground.
One thing I don't think a lot of people take into consideration, should war between the Empire and Aldmeri Dominion break out again (or rather 'when' it does) is the White-Gold Concordat itself. What I mean is, the moment war starts...that treaty is totally null and void, thrown out the window, ergo, the Empire is gonna immediately turn around and say, "Talos worship is back, and anything else the treaty said is also gone." So, regardless of who has or hasn't won in the Skyrim Civil War, with war between the Empire, the Stormcloaks, whether they win or lose (or it's a tie) have a lot less of a reason to keep fighting, and at the BARE minimum, become neutral to the whole affair, or ally/rejoin the Empire instead. That's not even getting into what'd happen to Thalmor agents themselves. Which is to say that the moment either the Stormcloaks win and/or the Empire declares war on the Aldmeri Dominion, the Thalmor would basically have themselves the same situation they pulled on the Blades. Namely it would be open season on Thalmor agents anywhere they were found. Sure, they have tons of intel and agents (non Altmer ones I mean) all over Skyrim, let alone all over the Empire and Tamriel, but in the end, they'd NOT have the freedom to do as they wished any longer. Sure within the game of Skyrim this never comes to pass, but I'm willing to wave that off as just game mechanics since it's an open-world game.
Within 24 hours of the war declaration every senior legion officer and every occulatus of importance would be dead. The Dominion knows every garrison, supply line and commonsense battle plan as well as every weak, corrupt or cowardly official in all the Empire. This, nothing less was what was permitted by the white gold concordat.
And the moment war is declared as well every Oculatus member probably has a standing order to kill every Thalmor agent and operative they know in turn. They might've failed protecting the Emperor in Skyrim but it doesn't mean they'd be caught off guard so easily. Honestly, it's really who declares war first and takes the initiative is gonna have a massive advantage right off the bat.
I wouldn't doubt they have such orders and so they as well as the Legion brass would start the war off with running after suspected spies, guarding their VIPs and watching for knives in the dark. Meanwhile on the other side of the border everyone even suspected of being an Imperial spy would have been shot on sight so all the forces of the Dominion can mobilize in peace and with their enemy not having nearly the same mass of prepared intelligence.
And we could go on the whole 'I know that you know that I know' schtick all day, but in the end, whoever wins, IF anybody wins, it is at best, gonna be a Pyhrric victory. Cuz whether it's the Dominion ending the Empire or the Empire ending the Dominion, it's NOT going to be an easy fight.
You're right that is likely to get tiresome. Read my main point though; inviting enemy intelligence and police forces in to your country to do their business openly is suicide for any nation. The best possible historical outcome of such an arrangement is that you become a vassal state. If you have any example to the contrary I'd be genuinely interested.
The best way to discribe the numidium is a walking dragonbreak. Whenever it goes on a rampage it breaks time in such a way that it can kill millions of people/elfs over a period of thousands of years, even though that only appears to be five minutes outside its influence. Originally build by the Dwemer, who wanted to power it up with Lorkhan's heart. Though this never happened and when Tiber got his hands on it he used the mantella (some powerfull soulgem of unknown origin) to power it and used his totem to controll it. The best example of how the numidium breaks time is warp in the west, in which every major faction got their hands on a pararell version of the Dwemer golem. though this could be atributed to the fact that the player character of daggerfall went into Aetherium.
Noodlebopper yeah the empire used it as a weapon and it’s supposedly one of the towers which if you want to read up on something interesting you should definitely look up the towers but the numidium disappeared with the dwarves i think
This might sound really strange, but could you create a build that literally only kills when absolutely necessary? Like, they are using sneaking, pickpocketing, lockpicking, restoration, illusion, alchemy, and speech? All so that they don't kill hardly a single opponent. I've always wanted to try this, but never got around to it.
"When comparing humans to elves, humans breed like rabbits" Ah yes....My imperial (his name is romulus remus), joined the legion because he has faith in the legions might...he married ysolda by the way *so you know what that means* 👀
Ah yes...very fitting of my imperial DB "Legate Biggus Dickus of the Imperial Legion (who murdered his own emperor, but he doesn´t talk about it)" Holy shit i am a year late and didn´t even notice
There's like 20 people living in the Imperial City and the 10 houses there are, and Skyrim's average city has like 12 people and a dog, so I'd say Empire is pretty powerful. Summerset is a fraction of the size so it probably has like 2 elves living there. I base these estimates on the Elder Scrolls games I've played.
Yeah, Iknow. There were at least 10 houses. Skyrim's cities are like, a keep and two huts at best. Kill one person in a Skyrim city and it fits the definition of a genocide because you have murdered a significant proportion of the population because that one dude was 20% of the town's population.
I really like the Stormcloaks but, the Empire is bigger and stronger. General Tullius has a plan to overthrow the thalmor when the war with ulfric is over. yeah.. he is a Dick. And the thalmor wanted that Ulfric won the war because, he has a smaller army. And he is a Sleeping Agent. That is why i chose the Empire.
What the hell are you talking about? They don't want anyone to win the civil war. Also Ulfric's not a sleeping agent. He's an asset. Learn the difference.
@@zsolt3871 yeah sure Ulfric alone with only the Skyrim region will be capable of destroying the Thalmors without support of the imperials after killing the imperial forces in Skyrim, dude has no plan on how to deal with the Thalmors, and his soldiers and followers are kinda racist and uncooperative with other races, he would only have nords at his side as his main forces, and we know that nords aren't the best at dealing with magic heavy civilizations, since in their ignorance they don't want to learn more about magic.
@@hetoverseo3887 Who says Ulfric needs to stand alone? During the rebellion he requested aid from High Rock. He didn't receive it since they didn't want to involve themselves in a civil war that could go either way but it shows that Ulfric is looking for potential allies. Who might those allies be? One prime candidate is Hammerfell since they are in dire need of allies and they also feel betrayed by the Empire. Who knows maybe even High Rock ends up leaving the Empire and join Ulfric since with a Stormcloak victory they are pretty much cut off from the imperials. With this Ulfric would have the best warriors in Tamriel, the bretons who are skilled in magic and an impenetrable fortress that is Skyrim. There are plenty of ways this can play out.
Man. I can't get enough of elder scrolls lore. I love fudgemuppet. Great content and narration. This one was interesting.. idk if it's cuz I'm a lore and head cannon kinda guy.. but I always felt that the imperials were drastically limited in their operations in Skyrim.. like there's a lot more of them. Alot more power and influence.. but Skyrim is a harsh land with harsh people and hard core terrain. I wasn't sure on what exactly* caused them to be so limited in thier military powers.. but I knew they absolutely had to be. ( Note : I felt the imperial guards and military roles underplayed in numbers in oblivion too but I chalk that up to game limitations)
It's also noticeable in game that the Empire & Stormcloaks are recruiting locals. From time to time you see a farmer mentioning that he's either going to join one side or the other. There is a named Imperial soldier in Morthal, while Idgrod is Jarl there, that you can talk to about the state of the war. He mentions having to recruit locally in his dialogue, but I forget his exact words.
yeah a vast amount of both sides are from skyrim, the actual soldiers tullius has are likely locally recruited except for maybe a legion or two that he brought with him, as lets be real theirs no way the empire went up there empty handed without even a single soldier accompanying tullius. Tullius force is probably a small force from cyrodil numbering maybe 20-40% of his men, the rest are probably local recruit and/or troops from the holds loyal to the empire in skyrim. Ulfric has almost exclusively skyrim/nord soldiers with perhaps a few here and there of non-nord but still skyrim citizens.
This may seem really dumb, so tell me if it’s a good idea or not but I was thinking about a way to implement fast travel. I liked the skill tree idea in skyrim and if we kept this, then this idea might work. What if we had one tree called “cartographer” which when u level it (maybe through each book that u read) you get access to perks (like the other skill trees in Skyrim). These perks could be like “fast travel” and “show every location on the map”, etc. I don’t know, just an idea!
Even if the Empire fell it would be rebuilt again. Allessia, Reman, and Talos, each ascended through the will of Akatosh. I think this show of favor from a traditional elven god for human rule is meant to teach the elves humility, and eventually lead to political harmony in Tamriel.
But the last man to conquer Tamriel, Talos, is the main reason the Thalmor became what they are today, that would be considered a step backward. Besides the closest Tamriel came to harmony was under Uriel Septim VII, but now the Empire has been divided into many different political entities, this era probably won't end in peace.
The Thalmor are relentless extremists. These sort of misguided people exist in every nation and peoples. I do like William Mashtalier's view that Talos ruling over Tamriel is a metaphorical test of spirit for the elves. The Dunmer managed to reach an agreement, the Bosmer did not seem too phased. The Orsimer are highly appreciated among the Legions and I do not think the Khajit complain too much as long as their roads are kept safe and they left to their own business and traditions. With Lorkan's sacrifice the Elves were ripped from immortality. Mayhaps accepting a sense of humility through the rulership of mortals is supposed to help them understand, eventually leading them back to immortality.
@@nelethewitch I think humans are destined to exterminate the Elven races. Many races are extinct or on brink (Dumner) of extinction or mutated into a irrelevant race (falmer) the Alyieds of Cyrodiil, the Dereni of high rock, Alyieds again of Hammerfall, the Dwemer, the snow elves, and the chimer went extinct and remnants just mutated. The Dunmer might die off, hit hardest by oblivion crisis, evacuation of the empire from province left economic disaster and famine, Argonian invasion and genocide, red mountain eruption, asteroid hit blown up city, pogroms of refugees in Skyrim and no protection from their tribunal elven gods. I can definitely see a impending extinction of them. I mean how many of them died when Miraak, the young recent creation rise of those ash men, and Dragons how many Solstheim Elves died as well? I think they gonna die.
Now see, this is the stuff I like (and the recent Daedric overviews). The quest videos that didn't offer any insight beyond a wiki page were bad but this? This is good content.
Yep at the end of the day the Legion is still the greatest fighting force we know, Colovain discipline, Nibenese political tact and magics, and Akaviri tactics...................too bad they wasn't in Skyrim at the time of Skyrim :3 (joking but even Tulius called most of skyrim's legion "Farmers") On a different note, my money is still on a Dragon Break happening with Alduin's "death" and they Daggerfall-ing a combined ending together.
kinda a comp out answer but it's going to be something that suits whatever they are doing in 6. But if Bethesda were to be comping out too; Ulfric as high king of Skyrim, Skyrim is worshiping Talos, but Skyrim is still part of the empire (and Thalmor are going WTF).
All I want from Bethsaida right now is the High King DLC that includes the missing plot line where the Dragonborn rebuilds Helgen, unites all the Jarls under his banner and becomes high Kings of Skyrim.
Wow, that's a lot to think about. Such a deep analysis, thanks dude! It would be fun to play a thalmore with these goals in mind, knowing their true desire is not that the empire will win, as is usually thought to be the case.
those two papers from fort newgrad, especially the stormcloak one, tell the real outcome of the civil war. tulius himself said that if they had the legions and not the farmers from skyrim the war would be done in weeks. the real outcome for future games is: the empire wins. even if you sided with the stormcloaks, the empire will win, because the legions are coming
no it wont ulfric is train his men with legion train just as he was tullius on the other hand is not doing the same he still considers himself better then nords and that will be his undoing
that's during the events of skyrim. after them (assuming that the stormcloaks won and, therefore, tulius is dead), after the snow from the avalanches is clear, the legion will come with full force. The rebels will be crushed, because they are not dealing with a imperial force that looks more like a militia than anything else, they will be dealing with proper regiments.
Anderson Dalmeus Either way, the resolution they more likely will become lore for future elder scrolls games is the rebellion crushed. either by tulius or by the imperial army
Except they can't. If the Legion ever attacked in full force it would require them to significantly weaken their border with the Dominion opening themselves up to yet another invasion. This is why the Legion is forced to recruit locals, much to their officers disgust, because they don't have to forces to do both.
If The Civil War is left unresolved in Elder Scrolls six, I'd like it they included Stormcloak Ambassadors trying to convince Redguard Lords or Breton Lords to assist them.
Another amazing video, thanks guys :) would you ever consider doing a lore video about the dragon priests and Labyrinthian? So much potential at the ancient city (Lost Valkygg, Shalidor's Maze, the dragon priest masks, etc). I'd love to hear your theories on this!
How are they going to ally with the empire after they kill a major general? If Ulfric wanted allies, he wouldn't have killed his high king. He plans to take what he wants by force alone.
stronger then the legion that for sure never in all my 300 years have i seen an imperial legion garrison or soldier under performing tullius is a disgrace to that Armour
It may be worth mentioning that because the Empire is no longer spread out, all available Legions would be consolidated in Cyrodiil, High Rock, and possibly Skyrim. So the numbers game mentioned in the birthing of potential soldiers has that element added in as an advantage.
From some things in Skyrim regarding the Voice. I think if the Dragonborn sided with the Stormcloaks the Empire would want to do one thing, retreat. Those stones on the path up to High Hrothgar seem to suggest the shouts you get to use in game are weak compared to what is possible. Though with how the Empire is so corrupt by the events of Skyrim. I say lets watch it crash and burn.
I'm so happy I got this info. I am now jonesing hard and am gonna skyrim tonight. Gonna do a new playthru as an imperial defector. Gonna build my background thru the day and I've already begun. 10/10 do appreciate.
@@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920 They really didn't. The possibility of reinforcements means nothing, as the stormcloaks in the castle also ask for reinforcements
The stormcloaks are not bad... Neither side is good or evil. If you want to play it like that, The empire is being insentive to the customs, traditions, and the people of Skyrim. They are nothing more than pawns for the Empire to tax or use in their wars. The only evil side are the Thalmor.
The only Reason to play those guilds is for there Main questline. All the after quest are Just Garbage and Boring. i never have fun playing the side quest afterwards. at least with the compainions you Get a varity of side quests that last longer than any of the other guilds at least for me they where better made even for being simple side quest. it always bugs me when you can fail to join the dark Brotherhood yet never fail to join any other factions is beyond me (mostly the Theives guilds).
The Empire does not respect Talos and allows Thalmor agents to execute and imprison it's own citizens simply for worshipping. I can understand that the Empire did what it had to do, but the citizens are now paying for the Empire's weakness.
True, it's not between good or bad, it's more like it's between people trying to get their shit straight and tools. Stormcloaks being tools for the Thalmor.
I agree with Imperial Knowledge who, while commenting ON THIS EXACT TOPIC, said that the odds clearly favours the Empire. Specially if two members of the Imperial family are killed in Skyrim. Also, learn to give credit when credit is due. Ok?
Hawxaw no, but Avarti, Imperial Knowledge, Graenolf and several others always credit people who inspired or suggested the topics of their videos. Often Reddit posts, forum discussions and such. This channel never credits anyone nor anything, pretending it is all original. FudgeMuppet make good videos even now, but they got a bit too power-happy. The more they keep this charade going the less I respect them.
there is no credit due. Just because you see someone else talk about something and you decide to also talk about it doesn't mean credit is due. Unless they took other people's ideas, and even then, reality is always going to be the same no matter who talks about it, so similar facts will be mentioned. That said, content copying is a serious problem but you need more than "you talk about the same thing" to warrant this accusation.
Nerobyrne they are not just talking about the same thing. People elaborate complex theories and original content that is clearly copy-pasted without barely any addition, improvement or commentary. Different channels may talk about the same thing without plagiarism. Channels like Shadiversity/Skallagrim, DawnForgedCast/Nerdachy, Bearing/MundaneMatt; do that all the time. The difference is they credit people when credit is due, they respectfully comment on other people's original content, ***mostly avoid petty arguments, do not try to upload regularly if that means making low quality content; and so on. As I said, FudgeMuppets videos are much more aesthetically pleasing and better edited than most channels, but that means little when they keep cheating other channels that are superior in terms of content and commentary, but less technically gifted or just not that well known yet.
LOVE your guys content. Absolutely brilliant. Do you think you'll ever cover really complex lore like CHIM, the godhead, amaranth, etc? Even just your personal theories would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work!
Lol my dragonborn is the same, in fact despite allying with the Empire in the CW he still murdered Titus Mede cuz he believes he's the only one strong enough to rule The Empire. But he isn't a cliché villain that wants the throne to "enslave the whole population", he wants to rule fairly and strongly, and drive out the Thalmor, and he believes to be the only one capable.
The empire is the smarter choice, but im hoping for a stormcloak victory, because if the second Great War happens, it would be way cooler to see 3 or 4 Smaller armies fighting against the thalmor, rather than just the legion. plus, you know, more armor sets themed around each of the Armies
It seems like everyone underrates the stormcloaks. It’s a militia of hearty nords fighting with a strong motive and with ambition, with a wise leader who feels the same way. The nords have a history of having a great army and make great soldiers, so they must be very strong still. After all, they are responsible for starting the empire and helping it expand in the end of the 2nd era.
A wise leader? Ulfric? You're kidding, right? The Nords have shown to be utterly pathetic at warfare on their own. The Colovians played a much bigger role in uniting Tamriel than the Nords did.
The Forgotten Hero not true. The nords with only 500 warriors were able to breach the falmer and nearly made them extinct. They also defeated an army of god-like creatures in the war with the dragons. Also, the nords were able to take over all of the north and have the first empire of men. Lastly, the nords are a big part of how the imperials empire was first formed. They’ve won more then they’ve lost.
Right, and the Spartans with only 300 warriors were able to beat off thousands of Persians. Do not put too much blind faith into myth and legend. The Nords had divine intervention against the Dragons, the Imperials were able to conqeur the entirety of Skyrim with ease.
Lol the lore is filled with the unreliable narrator, ''dawg''. You're trying to educate someone who has gotten their hands on practically every bit of Elder Scrolls, and is a dedicated editor on TESwiki? You certain you want to try that?
I personally hope the Empire is able to overcome the civil war should Season Unending be canon. A crumbling empire whos border realms have all but lost faith in the empire (or was destroyed *cough* morrowind *cough* ) triumphs over the stormcloak rebellion and issuing a statement towards the Aldmeri Dominion that they fight for their people's live's and their freedoms, that they never wanted to bend knee, and that now is the time to fight again under the true 9 divines, such a decree could even sway the Redguards to rejoin the Empire, and the Khajiit already have more than enough reason to fight back after the incidents with the Mane, the Bosmer might also be swayed for they are generally shown as being treated as second rate compared to the Altmer. All im saying is a united tamriel against the mad Chancellors of the Dominion who have little issue with using ancient and forbidden magics, even going as far to destroy the last remaining Towers, would make for a beautiful last stand.
the empire is just as bad as dominion so i rather have stormcloaks win both empire and dominion ban deadra worship so morrowind is going to get invaded just to kill the heretics
@@CommanderM117 I'd find it more likely that if being threatened with defeat the Dominion wouldn't have a issue with making a deal with a prince who, by their definitions, are their relatives anyway
Plus when speaking to tullius he will point out the bulk of the legion is stationed on borders with the dominion. Then there's also the bit about how he's only been there a few months and has already turned the situation around quite a bit even capturing ulfric for execution.
sorry but empire is gonna win cannonically it's not some stupid fanfiction it's in the game i think camelworks has made a video about that and were talking about empire winning even if dragonborn sided with stormcloaks
DOOM Marine yes but there is still no official announcement on what actually happened, since it is in the future. How the war for Skyrim ends is up to the player. What Bethesda ends up choosing for their continued story line is unknowable.
holy gosh darn diddly!! i love it!!! this means that perhaps "the empire will strike back" at the thalmor! because you find the dossier in the mainstory it has to be cannon so maybe the dragonborn shows it to both sides at a point in time after all the events in skyrim and then ends all civil war in skyrim with that so the empire can regain its strength together with the now maybe even independant stormcloaks as their allies to then drive back the thalmor!!!!!
that the thalmor are so interested in driving the province of skyrim away from the empire and takes such effort to do it by civil descent and subterfuge (most notably by deliberately outlawing talos worship) says not only is the empire powerful, but powerful enough that the thalmor cant dare to risk challenging them openly.
If i was the dragonborn in that meeting i would probably have Kill that Thalmor Saying This was all because of you and your Thalmor spies that cause this war I make sure that you won't get away with it." explained what you found in the Thalmor Emissary and get them both to understanding that this was all a Set up
Yah totally agreed upon General Tulius also said that if the real legion would be here the stormcloak rebellion would have ended where it was started but the best of their legonaires were guarding the southern borders from Aldmeri dominion.
Pale Pass is a defender's paradise. There is a big difference between sending travellers through a pass and an entire Legion (or army in general). Given the terrain, it would be easy for a defender with even a little magic (and the stormcloaks do have magicians) could keep that pass closed almost indefinitely. It's like the Greek Pass of Thermopolay (sp?)
Yes they do. There is mention of them in passing when you are in Riften. Admittedly the Stormcloaks aren't big on magic (no Nord is), but they have them.
Can they cast magic? Yes. So it is. We also know that Jarl Ulfric has his own court wizard so he can't have THAT many problems with magic and most Stormcloak officers are ex-Imperial Legionairs that very much understand and appreciate the impact on Magic on battle. There is no reason to think then that the Stormcloaks don't have at least some magicians given that even Nords can have magical talent. It is up to you to show that unlike *all* other major armies and movements, the Stormcloaks *don't* have magical talent or magicians.
In any event it is besides the point. A small team (no larger than a combat engineering platoon) can keep Pale Pass closed pretty much indefinitely with conventional non-magical explosives (which we know do exist) as well as other means to keep the pass closed. That is almost impossible for the Empire to stop given the inherent advantage of defense in this case.
3:32 It seems to me that it's half of that description. Cyrodiil is probably in ruins (as evidenced by numerous Imperials in game,) but the Legion probably isn't.
Huh I forgot that detail. I knew Ulfric was an indirect puppet but they said he only broke contact after the Markarth incident. He likely expected to be bailed out of prison after his capture, and the Thalmor abandoned him, or failed to leverage their influence for his release. So it seems Ulfric was more than happy to be a Thalmor spy for the foreseeable future, until they burned him. This sounds like Ulfric was very self centred at the time, prior to declaring himself the rightful king. It casts a shady light on his rebellion.
What if Elder Scrolls 6 is still about the Dragonborn, but on his quest on being an Emperor (Tiber Septim style)? And probably about the Second Great War. That would be awesome.
I've also found the questions that you asked as a player kind of funny when you think about the fact that your character canonically was caught crossing the border from Cyrodiil into Skyrim. This implies that you were in Cyrodil for an amount of time and have seen the true power of the Empire and the average Imperial citizens. So when the player is asking "basic" questions that npcs seem "shocked" that someone wouldn't know about the death of the high king, or you have the dialogue options such as "What happened Markarth?" "Wait, why the civil war?" it almost implies the events are too small on the world stage to be even talked about in the empire. Or your character is shocked to hear that these people believe that the empire is weak considering that the people he's speaking to have never actually seen the imperial city or haven't truly interacted with them in 25 years. I've often role-played my character asking the questions in shock and disbelief as if to say, "what are you talking about!? I'm a Nord too and I JUST saw the armies! I grew up surrounded by 2 generations of hating elves in a city that hates the Thalmor. What do you mean the empire has given up and surrendered!? Have you seen the recruiting posters?"
@@ericcartman2133 It's a stalemate while the Empire is using local Nords, as soon as a real legion shows up, the Stormcloaks will get their ass handed.
