I was on a US marine transport in the Mediterranean Sea when the 1973 Mideast war broke out and the entire Soviet fleet poured in to support their Egyptian ally. Armed with deadly "Shipwreck" and "Sunburn" anti-ship missiles, the threat was so high [Defcon 4] US capital ships were recalled to port leaving us and a few frigates to our own devices.
Whoever the dumbfuck Russian hacker typing this is, DEFCON 4 is the second lowest 🤡. So your story makes no sense… Also no American would ever call it the 1973 Middle East war. Only the Yom Kippur or Arab Israeli war. So you are absolutely terrible at your job.😂
there is a certain country here in Africa that was in the process of going to an industrial country. The government of that country realized that, without reliable electricity, an industrial country would not be possible, it decided to dig a big dam to get that electricity, the people of western countries showed up through people pretending to be human rights and they stopped the country from doing that, saying they would destroy trees. But if you look for countries with many and big dams, it is their country, that is, the Americans, didn't they cut down trees?.. if you want to believe, look for the country that leads the world with many and big dams and see if you will miss America and China. are the leaders in reliable electricity in the world. that's why I told you that they are doing us a lot of mischief while pretending that they love us a lot and sympathize with us and help us. I am writing this with great sadness.
@@emmanuelmlowe-ew7gx Problem is African nations care very little for international law in regards to hydrology rights. Ethiopia for example built the Grand Ethiopian Renaissance dam in violation of international law and with little input from it's downstream neighbors. Cooperation between the nations are the key and African nations do not cooperate. Blame the west when in reality it's ones own corruption. Like a toddler yelling that he didn't get his brothers dinner.
@@jballaviatorAmerica ignores international law all the time and this is coming from a Floridian.African countries do have there problems and there are a lot that probably will only get worse. . America involves itself in everyone's affairs it's how we've become so powerful of a country. to act like America and it's allies don't encourage or alot of the times force other countries to do things that are in the best interest of the West interest of the West and its allies comes off as naive. this country has a long history of supporting and arming rebel groups. And this isn't to say other countries don't but I can't allow a fellow Americans to go around preaching how other countries break international law when we break it on a daily basis it looks tacky and brings us down as a group. Here is an extensive list of instances where the United States has been accused of violating international law on African soil: (yes this is chat gpt in no way was I commiting extensive time to this list when there's a way to get it instantly). 1. **Libya Intervention (2011)**: - **Action**: The U.S. participated in NATO-led airstrikes and military intervention aimed at overthrowing Muammar Gaddafi. - **Allegations**: Critics argue that the intervention exceeded the mandate of UN Security Council Resolution 1973, which authorized a no-fly zone and measures to protect civilians but did not explicitly authorize regime change. 2. **Somalia (1992-1994, 2007-present)**: - **Action**: Operation Restore Hope (1992-1994) and ongoing drone strikes and military operations against Al-Shabaab. - **Allegations**: The 1993 Battle of Mogadishu resulted in significant civilian casualties. Recent drone strikes have also been criticized for civilian casualties and lack of transparency, potentially violating international humanitarian law. 3. **Support for Autocratic Regimes and Involvement in Coups**: - **Action**: U.S. support for various autocratic regimes and involvement in coups throughout the Cold War and beyond. - **Examples**: - **Democratic Republic of the Congo (1960s)**: U.S. support for the coup that led to the assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba and the installation of Mobutu Sese Seko. - **Angola (1970s-1980s)**: Support for UNITA rebels during the Angolan Civil War, contributing to prolonged conflict and civilian suffering. 4. **Extraordinary Renditions**: - **Action**: The U.S. has used African countries for extraordinary renditions, where suspected terrorists are captured and transferred to third countries for interrogation. - **Allegations**: These renditions often involve torture and detention without due process, violating international law. - **Examples**: - **Kenya, Somalia, and Ethiopia**: Reports of individuals being detained and transferred to secret prisons where they were subjected to torture. 5. **Support for Military Operations in the Sahel Region (2010s-present)**: - **Action**: U.S. support for French and local forces in counterterrorism operations in Mali, Niger, and surrounding areas. - **Allegations**: Operations have resulted in civilian casualties and displacement, raising concerns about compliance with international humanitarian law. 6. **Djibouti (2000s-present)**: - **Action**: The U.S. operates a major military base in Djibouti, which is used for drone operations and other military activities in the region. - **Allegations**: Drone strikes originating from this base have led to civilian casualties in Somalia and Yemen, raising questions about accountability and adherence to international law. 7. **Libya Post-2011**: - **Action**: Continued involvement and drone strikes in Libya following the 2011 intervention. - **Allegations**: Ongoing strikes have resulted in civilian casualties and further destabilization, with concerns about adherence to international legal standards. .
fun fact: Pro-Ukraine Live Map Admits "1/3 of the sunken Black Sea Fleet" launch cruise missiles. Ukraine's "success" in the Black Sea has failed to stop Russia's Black Sea Fleet's only actual contribution to the war, the launching of Kalibr cruise missiles... Russian warships operating in the Black Sea can hit any target in Ukraine regardless of where they launch their missiles from, whether it is from the coasts of Crimea or far east from the coasts of mainland Russia...
Really impressive and serious naration of a video that may have been taken seriously in early 2022 when it was first uploaded, but in the reality of 2024 it is just hilariously funny. This once magnificent naval force, part of the world's second greatest military in 2022, is now depleted by as much as a third of its 2022 strength, the attrition achieved by a nation that doesn't even possess a navy. As I said: hilariously funny.
So now that the ukrainians just blew up the Russian Black Sea fleet backup flagship admiral Makarov alongside most of the port of Sebastopol and about half the Black Sea fleet...... what's up now bro?
Thought-provoking assessment. Since the sinking of the Moskva I've been wondering what loss of capability has been sustained by Russia and the role the Black Sea Fleet has played in the invasion of Ukraine. It's clear now that the long range radar of the Moskva is what coordinates the air defenses of Russia's Southern flank. With its loss the Black Sea anti-surface and anti-submarine capabilities are still maintained by coastal defenses and the newer corvettes and frigates. While reinforcement from the Caspian Sea is possible the fleet there doesn't have any ship with comparable radar, so unless they want more landing ships there may be little value in doing so. If Ukraine does manage to get more fighter jets from other nations then I wonder if they would pose a threat to the Crimea by flying over the Black Sea, staying far away from the coastlines. Otherwise it still looks like the Black Sea Fleet is postured to defend to the South as dictated by its original mandate, but with reduced ability for early detection of enemy aircraft. Given Turkey's noncommital position in NATO and Greece's stated reluctance to join the sanctions against Russia, it's not likely that either will allow the staging of NATO forces to pressure Russia from the South, potentially relieving Ukrainian forces in Odessa from offshore missile strikes and bombardments. Given the range of the Black Sea Fleet's missiles, there is a risk of being attacked by Ukrainian strike aircraft if the ships don't maintain their distance, but more importantly their inability to respond to asymmetric threats is clear, and I think the events leading up to the sinking of the Moskva is just one of many examples of Russia's failure to conduct electronic warfare throughout this conflict.
Greece was one of the first countries imposing sanctions and helped Ukraine , destroying decades of relations with Russia. Also Greece is almost at war with Turkey . So things are immensely complicated
Good points. I was wondering in the beginning if the Moskva was allowed to be hit, in order to arouse the anger of the Russian population and thus give the Russian government the support of the people to launch an all out war on Ukraine.. Well obviously that is not the case, and so now we are left with trying to figure out how in the hell such a thing happened. My best guess is that the Russians didn't really anticipate any direct attack on the Moskva, and were therefore very lax with there defenses...We know very well that when Russia really wants to defend something.. it will be defended i.e Snake Island.
It's not necessarily obsolete. It's just that the discipline onboard Russian ships is terrible and it's questionable whether they know how to operate their equipment or not. At least the air defense. Those were sub-sonic cruise missiles. The Moskva had the equipment to easily deal with 24 Neptune missiles no problem but they didn't.
I think it's safe to say that the mighty Russian Black Sea fleet will sail vertically in a downwards direction if it was to face a US carrier battle group.
@@Zermatt2024 Only a fool would put an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea. It could be attacked from every direction by land-based aircraft. The US would NEVER put a Nimitz Class in the Black Sea.
the scenario above might happen if the Russian Black Sea fleet decides to venture out from its home turf to directly face an US carrier battle group in the Mediterranean not so different from committing sinking themselves first
While the surface strike corvettes are nominally for "coastal defense". In actual practice, under air cover, they will move to standoff distance of the Turkish Straits to concentrate firepower on those choke points rather than " defend the coast".
It's too bad that the Russians can't do their equipment justice. They don't get anywhere near the ability the equipment provides. It turns out that if you have bad operators, your equipment won't work as well as it should. The Moskva should have been able to counter 23 Neptune anti-ship missiles no problem. But instead a couple got through. Then the fire wasn't put out and the ammo exploded sinking the ship. They might as well have just put up a large ship shaped target. It would have been much cheaper and would have performed just as well as the Moskva.
It is one of the Russian Black Sea fleet "БДК проект 775" ("big landing ship" / NATO name "Ropucha"). It looks like they wanted more comfort than the original Commie design. However, the split didn't prevent four of the Russian Ropucha landing ships from being sunk by Ukrainian kamikaze drones and missiles and a few more from being heavily damaged.
@@newt..z Haha, you wish. The US military inflicted disproportionate losses to its enemies, Russia already lost more than the US did after 20 years in Afghanistan, there are no pictures of Abrams tanks being towed away by tractors, and the US navy never lost a flagship to a country without a navy.
Do you know what role has the Black Sea Fleet played so far in the Ukraine war? Besides reports of Russian amphibious landings in a few places, I've heard surprisingly little regarding what they've been up to. Do you know if they've participated in bombardments or regional anti-air missions?
Not sure. Haven't seen much reliable info at this stage, although apparently ukraine has lost 8 naval vessels. The sea was never in contest as Ukraine lost much of its navy during the Crimean crisis in 2014.
Yes the entire land theater should be within range of cruise missiles, to say nothing of the coastal areas. The south has obviously been the area where the russian offensive seems to have the greatest momentum right now.
@@theoderic_l It was basicly the main reason why the Russians annexed the Crimean Peninsula. Loosing Sevastopol as a harbour to NATO would have been a major disadvantage.
Turkey has blocked its strait for Russian warships from entering the Black sea, so no future warship will be joining the fleet anytime soon. And If Sweden joins NATO the Baltic sea will be blocked off for Russian ships aswell.
@@KhalDrogo493 typical projection from a russian troll: all others are nazis even if only you, russians act like ones. So, at the history bin, as your furer vladofl putler will. Will you join him at Hague?
@@Grundewalt Why don't you send some of those dickmunching LGBTQ "european soldiers" and try to take it son ? Any time you are ready, you know where Turkey is. Come, we will give you some dildos son 🤣🤣🤣 We are more scared of your women. They actually have bigger balls then you 🤣🤣🤣
It's hard to get a good idea of just how strong their capability is. People tend to take at face value, the effectiveness of their newer weapon systems but most of these systems have never been tested/displayed publicly. When you look at the claims that are being made in terms of how much they have advanced in the last decade (not to mention when taking into account their small budget), it does seem like allot of it is most likely propaganda. Just take their new hypersonic antiship missile for example. If that missile was genuinely that good then why aren't the West even brothering to develop a new counter? With the combined resources of the West, they can pretty much do anything.
People tend to look at the USD value of Russian military budgets, without trying to strip out the effect of the undervaluation of the ruble. Russia has an almost entirely domestic military industrial complex. Raw materials, technology, and wages are paid in domestic prices. So you need to look at the PPP value of spending to get an accurate guage of how big their budget effectively is, and the PPP value is a lot bigger. I will also say that the military budget in the west, especially the US, are used very ineffectively. Prices are artificially boosted by private corporations, and government money just lines the pockets of Lockheed Martin execs than actually doing something useful. The Zumwalt is an abject failure, but Americans still believe it is the strongest warship because of its 'on-paper' capabilities that will never see the light of day.
@@EurasiaNaval your 🇷🇺 flagship MOSKVA is sleeping with fishes of Black Sea. Russian navy is Too corrupt to stay afloat. Thanks to the Russian corruption/oligarchs and state of the art NATO weapons that 🇺🇦 is slowly managing to win this war.
But what is science and engineering, not tested is different from invention, they are capable and dangerous, you are just sort of engineering basics and manifestations.
lol the mighty ruzzia stealing vessels, stealing equippements, toilets, naval shipyards. you are pathetic cheering up a 18th century imperialistic sadistic kleptocratic regime, discussing it like normal country.
Cruiser had triple layer anti air so crew training poor or equipment poor. Wonder about maintenance level. Flagship should have elite crew but maybe not
Im sure Russia would’ve not gotten it’s navy sunk if he had deployed the aurora, modern ships focus themselves on being so modern, they forget the legitimate utility of their own vessels!
How so ? Russia lost ONE ship in Black Sea and they took 30% of Ukraine teritory, slashed their GDP by 90% and made beggars of them and 50% of population are now stateless refugees all over the world and they are never going back. I would say that ONE SHIP is very small price to pay for that or you disagree ?
To hell with Putin and all who support him!! He just wants a World War. So to the both of you … SAY WHEN…. REMEMBER WHEN THE NUKES FLY WE ALL DIE DUMB ASS!!! 🚀🇺🇸🫡✌🏽🤙🏽👍🏽😎
The sub was not set back at all, and the landing vessel has been repaired and returned to service. Ukraine's navy meanwhile has been destroyed to a ship. Definitely effective.
@@robertwilson214 you wish, blabling about being a nearpeer to Usa, ...GDB is equal to Bulgaria, all the nations that broke away have highter income and level of life. All your smart kids leave. Why is that ? because you are proud of your fascist regime that stole you naked ? this is how stup!dity is defined.
I wonder how extensive the role in which thr black sea fleet will play in the Ukraine War. I understand Kalibr missiles was fired from there. Potentially use it more when they invade Odessa.
And Ukraine lost 30% of teritory, 90%of GDP and 50% of population. I would say it was a bargain for Rusia, one ship for destruction of an enemy nation. My respect to the Russians, Although I would have droped a nuke on that shithole and made a huge parking lot in it's place but mr Putin is way nicer that I am (unfortunatly that is).
Update: Ukrainian warship Yuriy Olefirenko is now a submarine. The pround people of Odessa shouted "Ukrainian Warship! Go f*** yourself!" just as the ship became a new Ukranian submarine.
Look a Czech ! Do your women still sell their pussy for food ? Also 30% of country that use to be "Ukraine" is now Russia, 90% of Ukraine GDP is gone and you are paying for their food, 50 % of population is crawling over Europe and are beggars. But hey, you can always tell yourself that you are "winning" just like murricans in Vietnam and Afghanistan.🤣
@@elvirredzepovic6898 L+ratio+Day 576 of 3 day special military operation+immobile noodle convoy+Unsupported VDV landing wiped out+OOOUGH PONTOOONING+Wooden Era+Cope Cages+4th Guards Tank Division Destroyed+3000 undead HIMARS of Dark Brandon+CAMOUFLAGE PAINT IS UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY CYKA+Styrofoam Dragon's Teeth+Kinzhal Hypersonic Missile shot down by Patriot+No T-14s?+No SU-57s?+2023 Victory Parade's singular T-34+""Kherson will be forever Russian""+Wagner's retarded Coup+Finland+Sweden+NATO Lake+Fired chemical weapons upwind+July 17th The Second Kerch Bridge Incident+wut air defense doin+cope tires+Sevastapol HQ missile strikes+Kilo submarine punctured by Stormshadow+3000 schizo conscripts of Shoigu
@@elvirredzepovic6898 Aww is this what you serbian scum are telling yourselves about the real world outside of your hellhole? How cute. Also math is not your strong subject, mr. "30%" is it?
The Russian Navy had to have land based Tor missile system parked on the helipads of their warships to counter Ukrainian missiles. It is not really a great vote of confidence on the air defense capabilities built into their frigates and corvettes of the Black Sea Fleet.
Talked to my uncle who served in the Canadian navy for 30 years. He said the Russian equipment tends to not work reliably. Plus the ships near Odessa are too close to launch rockets. They are at risk of hitting their own troops.
there is a certain country here in Africa that was in the process of going to an industrial country. The government of that country realized that, without reliable electricity, an industrial country would not be possible, it decided to dig a big dam to get that electricity, the people of western countries showed up through people pretending to be human rights and they stopped the country from doing that, saying they would destroy trees. But if you look for countries with many and big dams, it is their country, that is, the Americans, didn't they cut down trees?.. if you want to believe, look for the country that leads the world with many and big dams and see if you will miss America and China. are the leaders in reliable electricity in the world. that's why I told you that they are doing us a lot of mischief while pretending that they love us a lot and sympathize with us and help us. I am writing this with great sadness.
there is a certain country here in Africa that was in the process of going to an industrial country. The government of that country realized that, without reliable electricity, an industrial country would not be possible, it decided to dig a big dam to get that electricity, the people of western countries showed up through people pretending to be human rights and they stopped the country from doing that, saying they would destroy trees. But if you look for countries with many and big dams, it is their country, that is, the Americans, didn't they cut down trees?.. if you want to believe, look for the country that leads the world with many and big dams and see if you will miss America and China. are the leaders in reliable electricity in the world. that's why I told you that they are doing us a lot of mischief while pretending that they love us a lot and sympathize with us and help us. I am writing this with great sadness.
It's a mix of old and new really. The most advanced ships in the navy are not usually deployed to the Black Sea (hence no footage of them). Adm. Gorshkov frigates are advanced and looks the case. The old Slavas and Krivaks, yeah are very old and are designed before stealth was a thing.
@@EurasiaNaval Russia should have moved more advanced ships too the Black Sea to assault Odessa. Right now I counted I think 10 ships mix of frigates, destroyers and a few light cruisers.
@@saltycanadian6190 Turkey has closed the straits already to warships for the duration of this conflict now... so that option is gone. By the way, the Russians have no destroyers in the Black Sea (their destroyers are old anyway), and just a single cruiser. The rest of the major ships are frigates.
@@EurasiaNaval so they threw the oldest ships they have at Odessa? I’m also going off of size, I’m used to nato ships. I know ship classes are about displacement in the water plus firepower you’d know better. But I only saw a few landing vessels, and fire support. What does Odessa have for anti ship and air? Basic spaa and rifled howitzers? Plus the entire city armed with rifles and Molotov?
@@saltycanadian6190 With Ukraine not having a navy, the Russians don't need that many modern ships for offensive purposes I think. Also, while Russian destroyers are of course larger than their frigates, their latest 'Admiral' series of frigates are considered much more powerful than their entirely Soviet-designed destroyers. The Admiral Grigorovich frigates in the Black Sea are very good. Anyway, let's see if they will make an amphibious move on Odessa
Subs subs we need to start using them. Who's to say it was us. Start sinking usa subs. Go out on mass and don't tell anyone and start sinking usa subs. Sink thier subs only.. They think they are the superior race with thier munroe docrent.. Start sinking usa subs they are so loud... Have plenty of fun...
Two years after this video was put on youtube, the russian black sea fleet can be best described as ineffectual, overwhelmingly bad, and sunk... Ukraine, which does not have a navy, has managed to obliterate the russians navy...
@Eurasia Naval Insight Yeah, it is dumb that people keep bringing up the whole Moskva thing as proof that the Russian Navy sucks, and using that to attack your observations. I am American, and I don’t really care what happens in Ukraine. I appreciate your research and videos on Russian naval forces, it is really interesting to watch.
