How Strong is YOUR Commander Deck? | The Nitpicking Nerds Power Level Scale (1-10)

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How strong is YOUR Commander deck? We built a power level scale that ranges from jank to competitive!
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Ever wonder how strong your deck is on a scale of 1 to 10? This question gets asked a lot by tons of magic players about to play a game of commander, and it can be important to understand where your deck lays on the scale for balanced EDH gameplay. This is the Nitpicking Nerds power level scale, for your convenience! Hope you enjoy!
Chapters of the video:
0:00 - 1:46 "Introduction"
1:47 - 3:45 "Power Level 1"
3:46 - 4:56 "Power Level 2"
4:57 - 6:25 "Power Level 3"
6:26 - 9:32 "Power Level 4"
9:33 - 11:34 "Power Level 5"
11:35 - 15:23 "Power Level 6"
15:24 - 17:23 "Power Level 7"
17:24 - 20:49 "Power Level 8"
20:50 - 23:42 "Power Level 9"
23:43 - 30:48 "Power Level 10"
30:49 - 33:30 "Tidbit about our lives"

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16 июн 2024

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@jonasbley2602 3 года назад

you could do a series like "rank my EDH deck", let supporters submit a deck and talk about it, it's power level and what could be improved.

@jonasbley2602 3 года назад

But I forgot to say, I love the content. Just you two talking about EDH is very interesting!

@thezawizard4302 3 года назад

I love this idea

@nolanschwemlein6339 3 года назад

I would submit my sisay superfriends!

@TheFriendlyYoYo 3 года назад

Bruh, that's a really good idea

@dp-hr8wb 3 года назад

That is a great idea!

@bryanpmcgowan 3 года назад

This video is a solid 7/10. It could be more optimized, but it's the perfect level for fun

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Well crafted joke, I’ll give it a 7/10

@krisdaschwab912 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds Your comment was solid, but more effort could have been put into it. I give it uuuuuuuuuuuh 7/10. You guys rock.

@s1y_guy928 3 года назад

@@krisdaschwab912 I could give you lower score but I'll let it slide today 7/10

@benberol799 3 года назад

@@s1y_guy928 An interesting approach, could have been executed better I'll give a 7/10.

@bbkiljan 3 года назад

7/10 = perfect lmao!

@IncrediPaulAZ 3 года назад

I had about 20 rhystic studies from back in the day when I got back into magic a few years ago. Was pleased to see a common worth so much!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Wow you are literally that hypothetical guy we were talking about

@theeternallysurprised 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds Me too! Found an old plastic bag with Magic cards in the attic and it had 10 Rhystic Studies, one of them foil ^^ Now I have 14

@Quiron1985 2 года назад

same dude. Found 9 of em in my shoeboxes full of old commens. Always nice to find cards like Priest of Titania, Rhystic Study, Utopia Sprawl, ... in them boxes ;)

@draftmagicagain1000 Год назад

@@theeternallysurprised lol. The 11 you had wasn't enough 😂

@losersandwich3712 3 года назад

to quote a very handsome man from yesterday, "Power level 1 decks have Grave Titan in them"

@mreher8792 3 года назад

Which one?

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

I think it was me (Beezy)

@MrManukenchin 3 года назад

A jajaja

@kaitooker5273 3 года назад

I personally like grave titan bet ok

@Tetsuo01 3 года назад

All I want in life is a signed grave titan by nitpicking nerds

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

We have sent out a few of those at this point!

@mannyramirez5630 2 года назад

My friend's first intro to magic was with our extra commander decks. Watching him make a deck was so fun. He didn't come from standard so him putting his first deck together was so pure and fun. Every card seemed like the best card ever to him. We ended up giving him spare staples and cohesive cards we had but he had so much fun just playing a 1 or 2 it was still great

@Tracker947 Год назад

My introduction to Magic, my friends took me to a shop and helped me buy my first cards. Told me the basics and I put together some jank. They stomped me into the ground without mercy, they put down Eldrazi and optimized beat down or control decks... Eventually, through the crucible of fire, it molded me into an extremely oppressive, but flexible control style in which I was obsessed with having answers and protecting my creatures... fun times.

@zotmaster 3 года назад

If there's anything I've learned from deckbuilding, it's this: if you think you built your deck up to a 7, it's probably a 5. If you think you built your deck down to a 7, it's probably a 9.

@shavedata5436 3 года назад

eh, probably 8. 9 is fully optimized off meta decks or mostly optimized meta decks

@zotmaster 3 года назад

It depends. In the context of this video, you're probably right. I don't fully agree with how the Nerds evaluate the top end as I feel like they lump too much together, though. Whatever the numbers, though, I think the broader point still applies for the average deckbuilder.

@liamwelsh4665 2 года назад

What if I think it’s a 4 at best?

@jarredjenkins8054 2 года назад

Agree 100% My first two years playing magic I told people my decks are 7's actually they were 5's. Now after playing CEDH I went back and built my casual decks to ACTUAL 7's.

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 2 года назад

@@liamwelsh4665 then you are playing Slivers and need to revaluate how out of control they can get as to others it is going to feel like a 10 to everyone playing 8's and below yet somehow they lose to 9's and above

@cablefeed3738 3 года назад

My rankings for decks 1-2: Jank 3-4: Precon 5-6: Synergy or Interaction 7-8: Synergy and Interaction 9-10: CEDH

@MrManukenchin 3 года назад

My decks are 5 - 6 just interaction, or synergy and my crazy friends they have Cedh decks, very unfair but they say it's normal, but the power level is too high no fun at all.

@CrownlessStudios 3 года назад

Similar to my tiers: 1-2: Memes and Jank 3-4: Precons and Casuals 5-6: High Synergy Decks (no infinite combos) 7-8: Optimized and Infinite Combos 9-10: CEDH

@joshandrews515 2 года назад

id argue that some precons with a small 20 to 30 dollar upgrade would be a 7-8

@cablefeed3738 2 года назад

@@joshandrews515 I agree that changes to a precon can make a difference but thats because you are adding Synergy and Synergy changes score.

@skeletonofflavor2716 2 года назад

For me it’s 1-2 jumble of cards that technically make a legal deck 3-4 jank/meme deck that may not seek to win but do something else 5 is the power level of all the precons that didn’t come out in 2017 6 is like slightly better precon or a budget deck 7 is an average commander deck with synergies and interaction 8 is a very powerful commander deck (can sorta hold its own against cedh decks) 9-10 are cedh decks

@freedomforall1712 2 года назад

What I have noticed is that tutors are really what start to power decks up in the 9-10 range. You could play combos and card draw engines but still be at a 7, but when you throw tutors in the deck it jumps you up quick.

@Maulwurm1 2 года назад

That's what I noticed too. A friend bought around 5 to 8 tutors. Now it's just tutor into foodchain and over :D

@freedomforall1712 2 года назад

@@Maulwurm1 exactly, From my experience anything over 2 tutors and the deck consistency is a higher level.

@williammcclanahan1792 Год назад

I have Demonic Tudor and Diabolic Tutor, both are the Liliana version. so beautiful

@Garl_Vinland Год назад

You could also have demonic tutor in your deck but your combos are so janky it’s still considered a 5. This power scale based on “generalized decks” are janky. You can scale cards, but not so easily decks.

@2lazy2makeausername81 3 года назад

I remember a few years ago when I first got into commander I built a niv-mizzet the firemind I opened from a masters 25 pack and won with the curiosity combo that I had accidentally put in the deck without realizing the combo

@orfeo-7_ 2 года назад

Most of mine fall between 5 to 8 range. The hard part about rating a deck that's custom built is you have to know how to pilot that deck

@Currywurst4444 Год назад

95% of decks fall between 5 to 8

@bedwarssweat6205 3 года назад

I think the blurred lines often come from gameplay itself. Sometimes you can have decks with phyrexian arenas and cultivates that fall into 7s due to the deck being incredibly synergistic and fluid. Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

The lines will always be blurred

@RedOctober_ 3 года назад

those get played on game knights a decent amount

@notbot4525 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds I don't know, man. Those song lyrics and innuendo walk a wobbling tightrope - precariously fraying at the ends - hundreds of stories above a dark and dreary pit of sexual assault references and allegations. I think Robin Thicke meant well, but the performance with Miley Cyrus at the VMAs... ...murky area. The whole experience seemed a little too on-meta for my playgroup here in Cyrus. Sometimes it feels like we're a jar of spicy mustard being meticulously spatula-ed into a thick creamy layer atop a steaming hot pork sandwich - glistening with shimmering dewdrops of oily lipids under the soft crimson flourescent glow of a strange terrarium's heat lamp. That's life though, man. That's life.

@elipetrou9308 2 года назад

@@notbot4525 I have no idea what just happened

@stianjohansen7555 2 года назад

@@notbot4525 …so many words without making any sense..

@mrbentheawsome 3 года назад

Hey, I really appreciate the work you guys put into your videos. The dynamic and fluidness of discussion is very natural and you cover a lot of ground with the seer amount of content you make.. I started magic 3 months ago and I'm already competing with my friends well established decks. Thanks a lot!

@MechanizedFnnFntr 2 года назад

sheer*

@rulerofrandomness2794 3 года назад

It’s nice to have some kind of a description for each deck level since no one seemed to give a decent scale before with each level described and would basically say “if it’s below a 6 then it’s not really commander”

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

We really wanted to get a nice detailed scale out there!!

@satua13 3 года назад

Like 90% of it, I still think cEDH needs 2 slots on the numbers (9 and 10) as there are definitely at least 2 tiers of decks in cEDH. Really like your discussion of numbers 1 through 8. I build solidly in the 5-7 range 9 times out of 10, would like to push them into the 6-8 over time.

@gordonross3270 Год назад

9-9.5 is for cEDH and 9.6-10 is cEDH with the higher tier commanders.

@blackhorizon40k81 3 года назад

Great content and examples, as always, gentlemen. I really enjoyed the descriptions of what makes a "5". Great things to use as examples for newer players. Love it!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

I think we did a good job with this vid, too!

@lovereno5958 3 года назад

Easiest question to ask your playgroup to figure out power scale: is red elemental blast good?

@trashtronics1700 2 года назад

If yes high if no not so much

@lordspider3958 2 года назад

Second question, is annul good?

@nordin.munteanu 2 года назад

@@trashtronics1700 from a beginner: how would they be good? I mean, useful if you play against blue decks, but i find it way too situational?

@highclassgoblin 2 года назад

@@nordin.munteanu you can counter any counter to defend your own spells. also, in a competitive pod, you’re going to be playing against blue/black

@Tyler-ke1ue 2 года назад

@@nordin.munteanu that's kind of the joke they're getting at here. If yes, it more than likely means the group is cEDH because in cedh cards that are far too situational for more casual games can be very useful in games that are usually having a potential win threat come in around turn 3-4.

@zachariahpoltergeist4516 3 года назад

"Inconsistent at best"- I have finally found my home.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

This made me lol 😂

@Dubi264 3 года назад

Restricting CDH to only 10's gives so much desperately needed room to the casual decks on the scale and I think the 4 levels (6-9) for casual decks better than precons seems pretty appropriate based on my own decks.

@nordic7542 3 года назад

I play my best deck with a group every weekend, and I've won 3 times like outa 50 cause they always play level 9s & 10s however I always show, cause it's so fun

@Greenhorn. 3 года назад

This was helpful. I thought my decks wer around 8 but there closer to 6 and 7. It seems like 8 and higher is basically 60 card decks, no variety same hand every game

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

I think 9 is where you see the same games

@bananatron6930 3 года назад

In the spirit of really fun 5-power decks, I made a Moritte of the Frost deck that was just reasonable draw, reasonable card draw, and then basically every clone effect in existence. I run Vesuva and Thespian’s Stage, but nothing exciting to copy. I never have any idea what I’m playing, since it’s entirely just cloning everybody else’s boards.

@salomaogabriel5264 2 года назад

It's actually a dream of mine to build a deck like that xD

@Yukitocyborg 2 года назад

I have a Riku just like that, red helps to copy instant and sorceries.

@hexx_4093 Год назад

Only decks I want to make these days include not playing my own deck. 1. Clone effects 2. Red betrayal effects 3. Gonti/Etali type effects 4. Combat tricks, but only used on opponent creatures 5. Goad 6. Copy tribal, but copy only opponent spells

@daplague7282 Год назад

@@hexx_4093 might I recommend Jon Irenicus, Shattered One It involves forcing others to play your deck, and then just giving them the worst or most punishing cards you can Toss in a siphon insight and rogue class so you can steal stuff in the interim Edit: it also falls under your goad category

@Marissa_Amalia 3 года назад

Great Video! Its amazingly well explaining. I showed your video to my table, since they are newer to commander than I and they really got the message from you guys :) My playgroup and I we agreed to certain rules, like certain budget limitations and agreed on a few mechanics we dont want to play (Heavy Stax/MLD) But besides that things are fun. I atm use a Roulette to determine which of my 6 Decks I play And my strongest seems to be my Jhoira-Artifact-Storm Deck which would fall around 8-9 in your Metric with my soon to be improved Jirina Deck at 6 atm.

@charlesguinaudeau 3 года назад

Great topic, thanks for talking about something that's too often overlooked at the kitchen table! 💯👏🏻

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

It definitely can be!

@EDHCoffee 3 года назад

Nice job guys. I think this scale has a lot of context for the qualitative aspect of EDH deck building that a quantitative scale can't really grasp. Additionally, the perspective of knowing your deck's power level so that you don't hurt other's M:tG experience rather than focusing on knowing power level so that you can win every game is a really refreshing.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Yes!

@dif4797 3 года назад

me at the beginning : I’m interested in this video me at the end : OMG THIS CAT IS SO CUTEEE

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

LOVE MY KITTY

@joshdean7523 3 года назад

Nice rundown Nerds! Perfect mix of explanation + examples.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

We went for maximum helpfulness! This is one of our best videos IMO

@getcountered1318 3 года назад

love ur decktechs/card reviews/ help with certain aspects of the game. Keep it up

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

If we can help anyone get better and/or have more fun then we are happy :)

@MrRockguy84 3 года назад

"u won't be winning with combat damage in high power" Najeela- "hold my beer."

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

That’s a combo!

@manarager3413 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds There's a couple games I have seen in cedh where combat damage put in massive amounts of work, specifically with the black/white partner, or to counter black decks. Generally combat *wins*, though, I agree.

@MrRockguy84 3 года назад

blood pod- "they said what now?....."

@MrRockguy84 3 года назад

edric turn & burn honorable mention

@pauljimerson8218 3 года назад

Winota does on occasion

@ashshopsmart8347 3 года назад

Great and logical. Imma grade my decks from NN1-10 from now on :)

@miguelalonzo 3 года назад

As a new follower I'm happy to hear you guys can shoot videos full time

@ericwilliford5457 2 года назад

I appreciate you guys and the efforts to keep the format healthy. While watching this video, I feel like you built a good case for the vast majority of decks to actually be 7... you said people build up and down to that level 7. It's casual staples but several competitive staples as well. It just felt like you guys confirmed the " I'm a level 7" meme to just be real. Lol

@DKMTG 2 года назад

I think you made a great point with the "CEDH format" being misinterpreted in title. I think CEDH meta is a better term, that more fully represents what is actually happening at that level.

@tylerisdrawing9913 3 года назад

I would say mine would fit around the 6-8 levels depending on what's available. I rarely buy new singles unless its for the base of an archetype. Lots of times, I like throwing in some uncommonly used cards and meta-dependent in specific playgroups.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

That's a neat philosophy, you probably save a lot of money lol

@jayrpg9114 3 года назад

when you mentioned the whole "50 rhystic studies from playing in the 80s" thing it reminded me that a friend in my playgroup who has been playing forever used to have like multiple playsets of things like dual lands, force of wills, etc. but they sold them a long time ago. So unfortunate since they wouldve had like tens of thousands of dollars.

@aaronunboxed9815 3 года назад

Very happy for you guys, keep up the good work!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

We're happy to, thanks!!

@thrillhouse4151 3 года назад

I liked how you mentioned that super high power level decks can still lose to low power decks cause they are so different. There’s a card I love, Cursed Totem, turns off mana dorks and activated abilities of creatures requiring a cost, it can hose a lot of decks, but may do absolutely nothing against some decks.

@tatsuhirosatou5513 3 года назад

It can happen but they also have a worped view of what Cedh is, they play Cedh if your deck is a strong 8 it can hang in Cedh and you won't fine more than 1 or 2 cards in a edh deck that are dead in regular pods. For example I've never seen mental mistep or rest in piece in Cedh you see swan song or mental mistep and I've never seen a Cedh deck card about the graveyard.

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 2 года назад

@@tatsuhirosatou5513 If people wanted to use the grave in cEDH they would use it as makeshift tutors as in virtual card advantage by returning stuff to the hand after putting it there from the deck. But unless you can break something like a Phage the Untouchable there is really no reason to make a cEDH deck based around the grave till they make a 5 color commander that interacts with the graveyard so Graveborn would actually be viable. And Phage is just a hypothesis like i know you can build a deck around that as a 9 but i am not sure you could make it a 10 and no one really wants to build gimmicks unless its Stax for some reason as people sure love their prison decks instead of using Stax like cards to make a 8 or 9 able to keep up with 10's and have a great chance to win with their win con.

@tatsuhirosatou5513 2 года назад

@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena do you know what reanimator is?

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 2 года назад

@@tatsuhirosatou5513 is it any different than Graveborn other than a different name? the premise is the same cheat things out from the grave

@OfficialBarbarose 3 года назад

"Self-Proclaimed Gay Man" Me too :D

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

😜😜😜

@OfficialBarbarose 3 года назад

@Spooky_Mega_Gengar The Belmont the only beard I ever had was a very nice girl, didn't last long though lol

@thoop6795 3 года назад

Honestly I would never have guessed

@leadbone1 3 года назад

Wow you guys delivered on this video pretty quick! Super excited for this one!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

This was a lot of fun to brainstorm :D

@leadbone1 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds I think you established a pretty solid rubric here.

@jamesnoon6745 3 года назад

Great video. Most of my decks fall in the 6-8 range. I always keep a "break in case of emergency" combo. Sick content. If I had the time I'd get into your Discord.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

It'll always be open if you find time! Thanks for your kind words :)

@mariodavila4162 3 года назад

Awesome work guys! i stopped watching commander quarter’s for you, now o don’t think i even search for the command zone anymore! Keep it up, blessings

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Sorry Jimmy Josh and Mitch but that's great to hear for us anyway 😂 thanks for hanging out with us!

@flegs9591 3 года назад

You guys should really go over your own decks in an episode and rank their power levels!!!

@alexanderl187 9 месяцев назад

Very helpful. Thank you gentlemen!

@avista1521 3 года назад

Excellent description of the power levels. 7-8 is definitely the sweet spot for me.

@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena 2 года назад

A lot of people find that 6's and 7's are the sweet spot for them however people that don't really have much time to spare would play high power EDH up to 9 that way they can at least get in a good amount of games especially if they don't see each other for 3 weeks at a time

@vertical3464 3 года назад

This is actually a really comprehensive guide! I expected it to be another one of those vague ones that just says like numbers and then a couple descriptors, but this is super simple to use! I think the 2 main decks I have are probably both around 6-7 which is surprising because of how differently they function. One of them is a Mazirek persist combo deck but with 2 tutors and not very many persist cards to get the win, and the other is a najeela warrior tribal deck, which function super different but are both around a similar power which is interesting to me!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Hey I'm really glad you found this guide useful :D Hopefully we can get that link working for everyone lol

@AspavientosPC 3 года назад

This is the Grave Titan report. Our research has concluded this video features Grave Titan at 1:30. Thank you for reading the Grave Titan report.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

The network is cancelling the Grave Titan Report. We can't be signal boosting this kind of thing

@troylambert1601 3 года назад

This episode took me back to my first deck. Solid 3 OG Borborygmos and every single mana dork I could find.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Hey that sounds pretty deece for a first deck!

@lovetownsend 3 года назад

I've watched bunch of your guys videos and just realized the plushies in the background match the land pictures behind them :p clever decor

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

We felt like galaxy brained youtubers when we thought of that

@xaveristunderrattet4663 3 года назад

One year ago or smthing i buyd an obuun precon and it was so interresting to see it developing from an 4 to maybe an 8 now it is an omnath deck with shock and fetchlands and cards like cyclonic rift

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Omnath is so easy to make stupid strong 💪 because he is so good 😊

@baconsir1159 2 года назад

After playing both for a little bit, one of the biggest differences between Yugioh and Magic (in relation to attitude) is that EVERYONE in Yugioh plays with a CEDH mentality. Winning is first and foremost for 98% of players, then you choose your deck based on what can actually potentially win within your price range. I remembered being kind of baffled by the hate for tutors because they're just so absurdly common in Yugioh. Even with 40 card decks being the norm, pretty much every deck has at least 1 built-in tutor (with 3 being common) as well as 15 cards you have access to 100% of the time. _Many of which being tutors._ You'll absolutely be seeing a lot of the same combos every game, but only in the first couple turns. After which the disruption, board breaking, and grind game makes each game feel different.

@erenjager4698 2 года назад

Well yeah but yugioh only has the 1v1 format, and it's 💯 percent about winning in 1v1 magic too. But commander is such a unique beast, where it's supposed to be about having fun first and winning second

@floridaman6982 Год назад

Not always, My. Friend and I have old school decks (no links no modern acrhtypes etc). Some fun throwback games are possible! Especially in paper, with masterduel you can build optimal meta deck and play on ladders but not enough yuigoh players in my town to justify building perfect decks.

@generalgrant1989 Год назад

I always love to hear other peoples thoughts on deck power level. Great video Joe & Beezy I would say about most pre cons are around 4-6 depending on the cost of the deck and the commander. Example: Necron Dynasties is fairly optimized for a precon I'd probably put it in the 6 to almost 7 range where as Phantom Premonition is on the much lower end probably lying around a 4 even more closer to a 3(I've played it it's awful). so if you're playing people in this range and you realize you're winning about 50-75% of the time through normal play you're probably more on the 7 to 8 scale, 9-10 should look something along the lines of turn 1 a bunch of 0 drop cost cards into win or win on turn 2 if your opponent has any interactions it's going to be a counter spell or on to the next game. 10 is also where it splits off into commander tiers. Some commanders are just better and no amount of level ten play cards is going to matter.

@TheARehmar 3 года назад

I just started trying to get into commander and learn about the format and I happened to find 17 Studies from Prophecy while sifting through my collection. Cracks me up seeing the price getting so high.

@Goblin300 3 года назад

I am just gonna assume that my Grave Titan cloning and Nils Hamm art tribal deck is a solid 11/10

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Yeah might even be 12

@silasjude662 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds eh, I'd say more like an 11.5, 12 is storm crow voltron

@tatsuhirosatou5513 3 года назад

@@silasjude662 lame now mountain goat voltron is where it's at.

@skeletonofflavor2716 2 года назад

Nah a 12 is like gruul mill with pako as the commander, milling away one card every attack, busted

@wakefieldwade4019 3 года назад

Really great video!!, Wondering where your powered up precon builds from the years past fall on your scale? I own several perfectly tuned by you guys and love them dearly.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

I’m nit sure actually we would have to look them back over but I would guess 5-6

@wakefieldwade4019 3 года назад

Thanks, probably what I thought based on empirical data.... The thing that nobody talks about with power level is is your commanders plan a relevant win condition. It may just say it's going to do this cool thing once and that is not win the game focused.

@user-ut7vo2mo3j 3 года назад

Great video, gentlemen.

@imGrisky 2 года назад

Hope comments stay nice. Very controvercial vid. I as a commander cube player always watching out for more cube vids. Always love watching you. Much love from the netherlands

@architectofdreams73 3 года назад

I tend not to worry about the power level of decks. I just enjoy building around a theme usually or an off meta tribal. Example being, I am planning to build warlock tribal once Strixhaven is a bit more obtainable. I want to do a food theme deck with the new chef Commander as well. Should be fun. :)

@Ceracio 2 года назад

Off-meta tribal? Never heard of it. I mean Yurlok Shaman tribal and Oyobi spirits are meta, aren't they?

@torinnbalasar6774 2 года назад

26:00 I actually got to experience that once. Someone brought their cedh deck, and we played a few rounds, of which I only won one of because he scooped after I was able to consistently interact until turn 5. I was playing a Niv-Mizzett, the Firemind deck (built around draw and burn into Isochron scepter and dramatic reversal), which was probably a 6 on this scale. Can't remember their commander, but their main wincon involved going infinite with Kiki-Jiki, had a ton of expensive fast mana, and consistently won by turn 4.

@wchenful Год назад

Yeah it depends a lot on which cEDH deck you play against. A ton of them run like 20-30% cards that are dead draws vs. power 5-6 decks. And if their combo is countered, it takes longer to recover. But I also think that some decks like Rog-Silas or Codie are practically impossible for a lower power deck to beat as they consistently win on ~t2. t4 is considered mid-range to slow in the cEDH format.

@sinisterpuddle6655 2 года назад

this video made the tiers make so much more sense to me. finally i know what to say

@Xonides 3 года назад

I’ve been waiting for this one!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Us too honestly

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

😘

@ToastAtDusk 3 года назад

i like to make decks that cost $20 or less, and going by this scale, they tend to sit at around a 4-5.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

How do they play?

@WHITEKNIGHT95 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds honestly ive tried to play a few of these and they caaaaaan win but its more for flavor or fun. I build a 50 dollar beckett brass deck and it just beat the shit out of people and steals all of those juicy permenants

@brettreedy9520 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds I’ve been needing help with optimizing my $50 budget deck for Scorpion God. My lgs has a competitive budget commander league, and the meta there is voltron and going wide with creature spam and combat damage. Every time I control the board when things get out of control, and draw cards to keep my engine going, I often end up getting 3 v 1ed and idk what I’m doing wrong

@belledorris1973 3 года назад

20$ u are at 3

@belledorris1973 3 года назад

At 20$ that means u have an average value of 20 cents per cards... gee a snow land is worth 40 cents...

@wesbogenreif1701 3 года назад

Im thinkin mine sit between 6 and 10. I'll optimize a precon, then use whats leftover from it and my trade binder cards to build a second deck with it.

@MisterAssasine Год назад

Will never be a 10 or even close to a 9 then. Those are CEDH with highly optimized decks, multiple tutors, the best fast mana and ramp, usually doesnt cost less than 1k

@funnymcfunfuns1455 2 года назад

We built a power level 1 when I started in 1995. Me and my friend took our 300 cards shuffled them together and we each got half. Sometimes we had no way to play certain spells because one of us would have Deep Spawn but the other had all the islands in their deck. Good times.

@Oxygen1004 Год назад

This is how drafting should be smh

@golgariguy 3 года назад

Just yesterday I was thinking that I wanted to evaluate the power level of my decks, and it would have been so cool if the Nitpicking Nerds did w video on the topic! And I'm not even joking :)

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

What a coincidence!

@mathieubrebouillet714 3 года назад

Don't think you remember me from the Discord before I left, but my flaw, is I want to get cards from as many mechanics from magic's history as I can... so I'm stuck at level 5 for power

@berryblue7814 3 года назад

The last time i was this early, cultivate was meta.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

HA 😂

@Tetsuo01 3 года назад

I just can’t let it go....

@ptp1999 3 года назад

This is really useful, thank you.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Glad to have it out there for everyone!

@BM-rd4ms 3 года назад

Love this explanation! Thanks boys!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Thanks Ben! This one feels big time informative

@BM-rd4ms 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds y'all need to pin this in the looking for a game section of the discord lol

@bedwarssweat6205 3 года назад

I think this is the first power level scale I almost entirely agree with

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Wow that's pretty big!

@thejerk3824 3 года назад

How strong? Me: Yes.

@jerryfowler444 3 года назад

U guys are the best. Can't wait too become a patron.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Can’t wait to have you 🥰

@Rex_D_Hawkins Год назад

Really good explanation to a fairly new player ty

@paulocastro4833 3 года назад

Hy from Montreal, Québec Love your videos guys. I pretty much the tips you give for deckbuilding.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Glad to help!

@geoffraydeville1313 Год назад

great video guys !

@frankiegood5945 3 года назад

Love the video very informative

@issaikh 2 года назад

Kitchen table commander is the best commander. It's your basic battlecruiser format where everyone is playing their pet cards they like, and nobody has to sit down knowing "okay, Nate over there has 10 win cons that he can rip off with no warning, so we need to suppress him." Yes, I"m an old, boring geezer, but I liked commander before the precons.

@Volttikoira 3 года назад

I've been waiting for this one bois. Let's give it a listen.

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Hope you enjoy!

@betainvestments7215 3 года назад

Love your channel guys!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Love the name lol

@briankober9016 3 года назад

Thank you for the great content!

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

Thank you for watching 😄

@jordanbraun1122 3 года назад

I would like to have these guys take a look through and see what would be good to take out or put in for some of my decks

@Exploud 3 года назад

I fuckin love the way you look at each other while talking

@hunteroshea6198 2 года назад

I would have to say the first commander deck I ever made, would have to be in power 5-6 range. Nice little combos, perfect lock downs, good board wipes, ramp when you need. And at least four to five win cons (about 18 cards in total). Needed work, but was pretty good. My play group disowned me afterwards but its fine

@ZagrasNixillis 3 года назад

I recently got back into MTG, modified a pre con blue/green Commander Legends deck. Aesi, Tyrant of the Gyre Strait. I have omniscience in it. Dropped some of the big dumb creatures and focused on card draw, unblockable creatures, a few life gain, counterspell, board wipes synergies. I think it's probably at a 5 or 6.

@danieljohns95dj 3 года назад

Always called my Trostani deck an 8 in my local meta. I'm actually very happy to hear that it lines up exactly with how you described an 8. Hyper focused on lifegain with token finishers like Ajani bomb or phyrexian processor. My baby that I've been tweeking and optimizing since RTR, also my first edh deck. Great video as always!

@theweirdlyfriendlymushroom7920 3 года назад

I recently approached edh, coming from years of modern and a bit of legacy. I wanted to make a fun deck with my favourite archetype: fungus. They are trash, probably the weakest archetype ever created, but I love 'em. I kept the flavour as my first priority, but I actually tried optimizing everything following the rules of edh. It came out actually pretty fun. Not really consistent since it's pretty vulnerable to removals, but it can do it's own. Maybe it reached a low level 6, but I'm still proud.

@richardthiede6876 2 года назад

The last deck I built was a 2, maybe a 3. I love it!

@g33kaholic24 2 года назад

I had a lv 8 Judith the Scourge Diva combo deck that had grave titan in it xD It allowed me to play Nim Deathmantle and combo off immediately as well as Several goblins that come in with more goblins xD

@shadowridley 2 года назад

I run a Kathril, Aspect Warper Deck. I based it on using the GY to setup Kathril, but also to reanimate with things such as Necromancy and Living Death. I can use 8 Mana (3 Black, 5 Generic) to get out at least 3 creatures with at least 6/6, who are all Flying, Double Strike, Trample, Vigilant, and Indestructible, and use them to get a lot of damage out. (Buried Alive buries Akroma, Vision of Ixidor / Zetalpa, Primal Dawn, and Odric, Lunarc Marshall). Its even better if I play them later, and have a few extra creatures in the GY from milling and/or combat deaths. The most I've ever gotten was 6 creatures all with a total of 8 Keywords, getting a total power of 48 Double Strike added to their base powers, and due to Haste, was able to clear 2 opponents. Still lost, though, as I got hit by my remaining opponent's Commander for an ungodly amount of Commander Damage (It's a 3/3 Red creature that can double its P/T each time you correctly call a coin during combat, then he enchanted it to be unblockable. Can't remember its name, sorry.) Anyway, knowing how I want the deck to run, yet still being a bit fresh to MTG, I think my deck is somewhere in the 5-7 range. Have fun everyone!

@jackiemorey6911 2 года назад

I think my favorite part of power levels is that combat damage is only a wincon at power levels 1-5 until you reach cedh, where rograch/Arden plus 2 stax pieces can beat up the table

@koelkast9 2 года назад

Agreed. Love the difference between casual tables slinging creatures around, mid tables not attacking at all and then cedh chipping against the ad naus player.

@AandNDanceAndGames 2 года назад

It's so hard discussing rule 0 with my orvar deck. "Whats your win condition?". "I don't have any dedicated win cons, but everything is a win con in this deck.".

@slowmo56 3 года назад

I have a rhystic study because I played in the 90s. I feel so seen rn

@NitpickingNerds 3 года назад

WE. SEE. YOU.

@slowmo56 3 года назад

@@NitpickingNerds Imagine my surprise when I looked at what a Palinchron now goes for after tossing that thing around without a sleeve all those years ago. Can I get a time machine to have my teenage self invest big into Urza's block?

@gravecrawler1629 3 года назад

Great video,, gave me a bit to think about and the way I look at my decks. I made this deck a while ago for the specific reason to be able to sit down at a cedh table, I know it'd still be a lower power at the table because of the colors/commander, but so far I've been pretty happy with it. I always thought it was about an 8, but this video make me think it's closer to a 9 now. What do you guys think??

@comradelarry2558 3 года назад

It's interesting how different decks require different power ups or downs. I try to stay in the 7-8 range, I like to play optimized mana bases first and foremost. To get my Muldrotha to 7-8 I added Intuition. To keep Prossh from jumping into 9/10 range I run but a single tutor, because I do have Food Chain and I like using it. I'd say 90 percent of the time I never see Food Chain in Prossh and if I win it's with regular aristocrat stuff.

@finnthehydra622 Год назад

My Liesa deck focuses a lot on using life I gain to do different things like draw off black spells or get out Bolas's Citadel and cast off of it. I also have a bunch of tax effects that make my opponents use extra mana and/or life to make attacks, cast spells, or even draw cards. It is not a favorite for folk at the lgs here 😅

@dcallendar7294 Год назад

“The casual staples” smothering tithe and rhystic study? Maybe when they came out lol

@Servbot40 2 года назад

4:08 A good place to rank Two is the pre-cons made in 2013 and 2011. Barely cohesive theme, very little ramp, high mana curve, no clear win condition. Precons started around the Rank Three range in 2014 and 2015 (with Deretti and Maren being the only Rank 4). Starting in 2016, the decks were focused enough were most of the decks were Rank 4's with the entirety of AFR's Precons being Rank 5's.

@IrrelevantGeOff 2 года назад

Loved the cat cameo 😍 hello Amber!

@kitmarlowe2889 2 года назад

One of my favorite commanders to use is Kami of the Crescent Moon.

@baval5 Год назад

My deck is somewhere around 6-7. Its definitely a theme deck, and I definitely play cards that are worse than what I could do, but the problem is that theme is Memnarch. Hes my favorite character and so Im obsessed with having a deck based on how I imagine he would play. It used to be a lot more powerful because after reading the book I decided the way he would play was "stop everyone else from doing anything while I build towards godhood" AKA essentially Stax into infinite mana combos, but that was no fun for anyone. Now its more ramp like crazy and copy or steal everyone elses threats. Still strong, but since I dont have any interaction that isnt steal or copy a permanent im vulnerable to board wipes and certain artifact hate cards. I also intentionally included 0 tutors and 0 infinite combos.

@theknghtofni3912 2 года назад

Loved this video but dang ya boy trapped at the 5 range tops lol maybe encroaching 6 on a good day. But my restriction is ultra budget commander so with a tiny budget it's a lot of fun to try and build a winnable deck out of what otherwise probably wouldn't see the light of day in most decks. Also I just play with friends and for fun so it works out