How STRONG Was DANGAI ICHIGO? The Man Who CRUSHED Aizen | Bleach Discussion 

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Ichigo, the being with the heart of a human, the soul of a Hollow, the blood of a Quincy and the blade of a Soul Reaper. The God born as a mortal.

Ichigo came out of the hyperbolic time chamber and tanked everything Aizen threw at him. If Dangai Ichigo is that powerful, the form he takes when he becomes Getsuga must be on a completely different realm of power.

Dangai ichgio and fullbringer bankai will always be my favorite ichgio design

I wished by the end ichigo had his dangai hair looked so bad ass

Dangai Ichigo owns. But to think, for all his epic hybrid power it nearly led to him enduring a fate worse than death. The price of power.........

There's a theory I've read and support. The Final Getsuga technique is strictly for the Shiba bloodline. It gives them the equivalent to Letzt Stil and being a final desperation attack when nothing else works. Which is why their noble house fell from grace as the number of their powerhouses diminished from making those sacrifices time and again. Seems sacrifice is the theme of Ichigo's entire family.

Honestly, the problem is we do not see much from Bankai Ichigo after the blade is me.

Ngl AIZEN is my favorite character but dangai Ichigo just completely dogwalked him 😭🤧

I think I've mentioned this before, but the most apt metaphor for Ichigo's 'Dangai' state is like Gon's transformation from HxH; an unnaturally forced evolution that gives the user significantly enhanced strength well beyond their natural limits, at the cost of sacrificing all the power they would ever have. The 'form' was an unnatural branch of Ichigo's development, and cannot be considered a natural part of his progression towards the Horn of Salvation (like the changing patterns of his Hollow Mask). Secondly, the Man in Black/Old Man Zangetsu's retroactive revelation that he had been restricting Ichigo's true power seems like it can't simply be applied as a blanket statement to every one of Ichigo's past battles, as there were clearly select moments where White took control and unleashed Ichigo's full potential (against Byakuya/Ulquiorra). It is simply a more nuanced situation than saying Ichigo was "always" fighting with a small portion of his power. Finally, the fact that the Man in Black/Old Man Zangetsu merged with White and passed on all of Zangetsu's power along with the secret of the Final Getsuga Tensho technique through their blade would seem to indicate that, in that moment, he gave Ichigo access to ALL of his latent power, and not merely the fragment of it he had been wielding up to that point. The entire reason that the Man in Black/Old Man Zangetsu was suppressing Ichigo's true power was because he wanted to keep Ichigo out of harm's way and prevent him from becoming a Shinigami. Therefore, it would make sense to me that he would have no reason to suppress Dangai Ichigo's true power since the fate of using the Final Getsuga Tensho would mean that Ichigo would loose all of his powers anyways; thus fulfilling both of the Old Man's wishes.

Mugetsu Ichigo is still my favorite form of Ichigo by far. Putting everything on the line granting him the ability to cut through seemingly time and space for a brief moment. One of the moments in the original anime which has truly stood the test of time. All sound fades out and only black remains in the wake of this beast. Its phenomal. Peak. It is right there with Gear 5 and KCM Mode.

Can we appreciate how Ichigo fought 3 months tensa zangetsu

i think the fact that aizen can-t sense dangai let alone mugetsu speaks volumes, i think dangai is on another plane of power compared to shikai from tybw

I'm still a firm believer Dangai was his peak. True Bankai/HoS just doesn't have enough screentime. Hopefully we get some feats via the anime.

I have a theory about why Ichigo uses the "fake" Tensa Zangetsu after Dangai. That is because he is "used" to this Blade and since "he is the blade", it doesn't matter what physical form it takes. His "True" Bankai can actually back this up, as it turns out that inside that big Sword was actually his original, or "fake" Shikai. And Kubo confirms in a Klub Outside question that Ichigo can use either The dual swords or the "fake" sword and change between them. Hell, we even see him using the "fake" it in the hell oneshot! So my guess is that the Sword Ichigo uses after Dangai is not his Bankai, nor Shikai... maybe, at this point, since the blade fused with his arm, the concept of Shikai and Bankai means nothing, and Ichigo is just at 100% at all times now, and the blades shape is the one which used for so long and got used to. After all, the weapon on his arm is different, the crossguard being much bigger and looking more "rough". I guess that after Ichigo released his "true" Bankai, he is now actually able to use whatever form he desires for his sword, be it Shikai, Bankai, Dual wielding, single Zweihänder or a dingy Katana. The sword does not contain his power, it is just an extension of himself and he uses it however the situation calls for.

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Dangai Ichigo is my favorite form of his by far. The long hair, his arm merging with his sword and the chain was just so cool. Pretty sure he’d defeat the yhwach that killed Yama too

I don't think it matters what Blade Ichigo was using since a Zanpaktu merely just a projection. This is why I think Mugetsu is the strongest form, because he is now the weapon itself. No longer manifesting some extention to use that power.

This fight confirmed two things. One is when you achieve transcendence your hair grows and second blade fuses into arm

Here's a thought: Ichigo's "false" Zanpukto is actually an arancar style Zanpukto. It manifests in response to his drawing out his Shinigami/Hollow powers for the first time. Just as Aizen's blade fuses with him after he gains hollow power, Ichigo's works the same. Note, arancar fuse with their Zanpukto when they undergo ressurecion. Second note, remember Ulquorra's Segunda Etapa? How he became wrapped in and exuded a dark black reitsu? Mugetsu is Ichigo's Segunda Etapa.

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I have always thought of Dangai Ichigo as a “trial”. If EoS Ichigo is the peak of his power, when he accepted all of it, then Dangai will be the trial of that power, the test run we could say. Granted to him by artificially and indirectly accepting his powers back then. He doesn’t fully know how to use his powers, but they are the same as after “the blade is me”. That could explain why the Final Getsuga backfires that way, because he is not supposed to have that kind of power, or at least not acquire them that way. Notice how when Ichigo uses his Hollow powers after the events of “the blade is me” (further in the manga), he gains a look that is almost the same as White Tensa: one horn and one black eye.

I think of ichigo as a triangle, each corner is a piece of power. hollow, quincy, soul reaper. each corner can extend. this dangai form is just the full extension of that power.

Nothing against True Shikai Ichigo but Dangai hands down is my fave look. That and his old Bankai after the Xcution arc.

And this all gets trivialized when Yhwach goes, "How about 'no'?"

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The one thing that really pokes a hole in things though; is during the battle with Aizen, they talk about when spirit energy is so high it can't be sensed. Only people with equally as high or higher energy can sense that higher tier. Dangai Ichigo, Aizen can't sense Ichigo, but after the Blade is Me when Ichigo comes down from the Royal Palace, people sense his energy. In that case I feel like Dangai Ichigo would be higher than base Ichigo post the Blade is Me

I still firmly believe dangai ichigo an muggetsu are some of his strongest forms

Jesus! That panda stood no chance! She just went directly Bankai on him!

Final Zanpakuto was Uryu's Quincy Glove but for Soul Reapers. There is little point to use it by the end of the series barring Mugetsu.

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This is one of my favorite topics in Bleach

Ichigo is easily my fav anime protagonist. I can’t get enough of him

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My personal opinion about Dangai Ichigo has always been that to both power him up quickly and as a ploy to take Ichigo away from the battlefield, his quincy part added the Quincy Letzt Stil into the mix.

I always liked the idea of Ichigo's Mugetsu form being the result of a similar situation to Gon's adult form from HxH. For the cost of making a restrictive pact and/or sacrificing your powers (nen in HxH), you can access your (theoretical) peak potential for a brief period of time. For Gon, the cost would be death (as nen is the expression of a character's life force), and for Ichigo, this would be the loss of his powers.

Definitely the best version of Ichigo hands down

Still the most broken Ichigo out of all forms.

In the intent of becoming transcendant....aizen forgot the'' quincy'' in the équation that what he loose

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Imagine if he used Mugetsu in his current state with his full power, he could probably seal Hell by himself in seconds.

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Outside of Yhwach shenaningans, I'm pretty sure Mugetsu is still the strongest attack in the entire series.

I still think Dangai is far stronger than anything we have seen from him yet. Like completely on a different lvl. The only character that could fight him at all was still unable to even sense how strong he was, and lost in terms of power. The difference in Ichigo's power really after his training in the palace really has not been shown well in the manga or the anime. The gals we saw him fight right after he came back he could have defeated beforehand pretty easily without whatever that boost gave him. He was so much stronger than the other Captains that fought them when the arc started. Ultimately he fairs equally as poorly vs Yuha with his new power as he did before his Bankai was broken.

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I love the fact that ichigo true bankai looks similar to tensa zangetsu hollow fusion during dangai arc. The horn and hollow eyes on his right side, and his clear face on left side. Really wish that if we see him again in this form if we ever see him again.

What do you think would have happened if ichigo learned of his quincy heritage during his dangai training. Like it was all about connecting with himself and his zanpakto. During ot he seemingly also got over his fear of his hollow inside him. so what if, zangetsu, recognizing his growth and maturity, and realizing the strength hed need to beat aizen taught him about his quincy heritage? It could have still been an emotional moment, using the powers of both his dad and mom to fight aizen, the guy with the twisted plan that resulted in white in the first place. Even if zangetsu was scared of ichigo understanding his full power that could have very well been his last fight and hed loose his powers regardless would his dangai form have been different? like closer to his tybw bankai? cus the quincy side would have had to fuse with tensa zangetsu and would probably change the forms apparanxe somewhat

I think this goes as the same as Vegitto and Gogeta in DB, years of discussion in the fandom about who was stronger, although they were different fusions of the same guys, Goku and Vegeta, until Toriyama stated they are equally powerful. Here yes, probably fusing with your zanpakuto is the definitive stage, and the Final Getsuga Tensho (Shiba clan secret trumpcard?) is a forced way to merge with it, in order to get a temporaly PU but at huge price (this really fits Shiba self sacrifice nature). Ichigo of course was a special case, being a soul project of every race, and with that training, as you said too, he fully exploited all his powers (quincy, hollow, shinigami), that's why he reached an even higher level of trascendental Aizen. Basically he did the same in TYBW, just with a different process, more natural and stable, without costs. That said, Dangai and Mugetsu feats still seems better to me, but at the same time we have to say that the end of TYBW was rushed and Ichigo went all out only against Soul King Yhwach, who was clearly on another level. Let's see in the anime. To conclude, one question. Maybe I remember it wrong but wasn't there a passage in the novels (CFYOW?) where Ichibei, I think, talked about Ichigo and Aizen's defeat, stating he was at Soul King level at time? I will take reread, but I recall something like that.

Something to consider: Perhaps Tensa Zangetsu being wrapped around Ichigo's arm wasn't the normal state of his bankai, but rather a precursor to using Mugetsu that was activated by Ichigo - like the way his Shikai's white cloth wraps around his arm right before Bankai is actually activated. Perhaps from the moment Ichigo emerged from Dangai he intended to used the FGT, and so went into this mode where the chain extended around his arm in preparation. The black cloth wrapped around his wrist and his hilt looks the same as the cloth he is wrapped in when he takes on the Mugetsu form.

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I still think that dangai ichigo is thae strongest version of him.

I would also add from the anime filler where the zanpakto have come alive as separate beings (also best filler arc in anime history) white tells ichigo while fighting zangestu that he will only help ichigo as long as ichigo does not wear his mask thus showing the connection of white being a true part of ichigo and whole separate blade in of himself

Dangai ichigo to me is pretty similar to what gon did in HxH, both made a conscious deal to gain not only power, but all their future potential for a brief time, and a great price. I like to believe Dangai ichigo is stronger than base current ichigo, but if he were to do this again, if possible, it would reach heights never imagined before.

"I'm not sure I really answered any of my own questions, to be honest." My favorite kind of video. I think that Dangai Ichigo was more powerful than true Shikai Ichigo simply because he had reached the evolved state of the Zanpakuto and, even if he didn't know it, had all 3 of his powers fused into one single entity, unlike his true Shikai, which still separates them into two swords. Like you said in the video, he also had no reason to be limited in power by his Quincy side. I'm honestly not a fan of the two swords aspect of Ichigo's true Shikai because it undermines the point of unifying the 3 powers. It's hard to say whether he was more powerful than with his true Bankai, but his true Bankai was still not fused with his person. It's also worth asking whether the presence of an asauchi matters for power scaling if the sword is literally fused with the body of the wielder, since the blade and him are the same thing, after all. Having the sword fused with his arm seems to be a truer form of the Zanpakuto based on the unity of Shinigami and Zanpakuto spirit than his post-asauchi Bankai. It also looks cooler than his true Bankai and that is about 90% of my real argument. In reality, Kubo probably didn't think that far ahead when considering the Zanpakuto designs. From a narrative perspective, it also makes sense that Dangai Ichigo was the most powerful since he was 1v1ing a transcendent being and it came with the price of "permanently" losing his powers. If he had continued increasing in power from that point, the series would have gotten a bit ridiculous with the power scaling and set pieces. Kubo was smart to drop him down in power for the rest of the series so they didn't end up demolishing entire planets by the time TYBW was over, just meteors.

The Final Getsuga is awfully like Lezt Stil, to the point that he loses his powers and like Uryu regains them later with the help of the others.

I think the transcendent being idea was just aizens way of describing a ceiling to the power of a shinigami. A ceiling that he feels is put on him by Raio. It's just power level. If being 3 dimension meant just being above 2 dimension he wouldn't have made a being to counter Yamamoto. And urahara even says the hogyoko would have made Aizen stronger after final getsugatensho, it's why the seal was needed at all.

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I love how the fusion between the two is literally what ichigos true bankai form looks like

Giving it some thought, I think Dangai and True Zanpakuto Ichigo are two sides of the same coin, both draw on his full breath of power but they do it in different ways, one being The Shinigami way of drawing on the powers seperatly and the Quincy way of drawing on a fused power. The Real difference, and what I would say the thing that pulls 'Quincy Method' ahead of 'True Shinigami' is the simple fact Ichigo spent 3 month getting his arse handed to him by the Fused Tensa Zangetsu. Think about the times Ichigo has been trained in the series, they ususally last at most a few days to a week and most are focused to learn/master a single techique or ability. But in the Dangai... the growth from that constant struggle...

Whats crazy is that we saw ichigos true bankia before we even got his true shikia

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I always had the impression that the when he transformed into Getsuga he released all of his outer power and protection as preparation for the attack and the moment he formed the black blade it contained all of his power. Getsuga has no physical blade and no shihakusho, he's basically stripped down, all of his spiritual pressure freed, ready for a singular use.

Dangai Ichigo was so powerful that transcended Aizen couldn’t even read his spiritual pressure. I feel like it’s pretty much impossible to measure that kind of power.

Isn't the Soul King the source of Fullbringers? I wouldn't be surprised if at least Ichibe was also something like a Fullbringer, and it's his source of power over Names. In Hybrids, the Fullbringer portion appears to augment what's already there, Bring out the Full potential. Either that or their just channels for Reio's Reiatsu, perhaps in a way similar to the Seal on Squad Zero's Blood-Seal of their Bankai.

If Ichigo died and was brought back as a soul/shinigami, do you think he could attain a new or retain his former shinigami powers that he lost before the last 2 archs?

and next gonna watch that fight

I feel like in order for him to use the same level of power we saw him use versus transcended Aizen . We would’ve seen it once he release his Bankai. Which is why once he released it versus Yaha ,Yaha immediately broke the blade. Because he knew he wouldn’t be able to contend with Ichigo. So his only option was to keep trying to shatter the blade and stop him from using it.

I'm convinced that Mugetsu is Ichigo's Letzt Stil, same thing happened to Uryu when he used his...

The way I have always viewed it was that this relationship was the usual anime trope of berserk mode versus controlled mode. Some dark or risky power that is triggered by explosive emotion that is insanely powerful but poses some major drawback, like loss of control or damaging after-effects, or both, versus later in the story when the character has learned to hone and control that berserk form to gain its benefits with no or fewer drawbacks. So, simply put, Dangai Ichigo is a berserk form. It is a ludicrously powerful form that has a massive drawback that the character calls upon earlier in the story by accident, forceful shortcuts, etc. And late-stage Ichigo is just that berserk form, but now controlled for more reliable use, meaning he can use the berserk-tier power without the drawbacks. As this relates to the zanpakuto itself, Ichigo HAS to resort to the berserk mode to forcefully tap into those powers since he is fighting with a false blade. However, once he has his true blade, that limitation is removed and he can access that power without alternative methods. To see another example of this, loads of Japanese media use this trope, but I will use Naruto for reference since it is well-known. Early in the series, Naruto calls upon the ninetails chakra by force through intense anger. This leads him to gaining the red chakra cloak, then multiple tails and semi-transformation against Orochimaru,, then partial transformation against Pain. These are all different tiers of a berserk form where the more power he uses, the more it damages him afterward and the more likely he is to be taken over completely. This is him gaining power through an incomplete, "impure" method, where he is letting the ninetails consume him as a faustian bargain. Later on, though, he befriends the ninetails so that the beast willingly offers up his chakra, mixing Naruto's and the ninetails' more naturally, and creating an incredibly powerful form that (maybe) isn't quiiiite as overtly powerful as a full berserk transformation, but allows him absolute control over the form with no drawbacks.

I wanna see ichigo get his quincy powers back and use them in the hell arc, that would be dope

During the Dangai training, Zangetsu appears in different forms. Yhwach in his young form is Tensa Zangetsu, but White with the horned mask should also be refered as Tensa Zangetsu. So way back then we got to see the bankai form of Ichigo's Zangetsu. And when they megre that is the true Tensa Zangetsu. That is why the horn of salvation bankai form is so similar to the form Ichigo trained with during the Dangai training.

I think Mugetsu is an early insight to Ichigo's true potential to merge with his form, and that the final getsuga is his family's ability to reach peak ability by becoming one with their blade at the cost of their life/ spiritual energy. Meaning that as soul reapers, their ideal peak would to be one with their zanpakuto, and the family ability of the Shiba clan would have been to become one with their blade at the expense of their life/spiritual energy. So Ichigo's bankai is on equal terms to Mugetsu in final form. I believe that what we see in Aizens fight with Ichigo is a glimpse into the true power that they both have at the end of series.

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I see Mugetsu as the %100 full power of a soul reaper. Past beyond banki the sword and its wielder become the weapon/attack of that individual.

The other sort of big difference between _Dangai_ and _The Blade is Me_ is that Dangai Ichigo's zanpakuto still isn't a "true" zanpakuto, forged from an Asauchi.

I think the concept of transcendence is separate from not being to sense someone's reiatsu - the latter can happen with a single power type being and is dependent only on the strength of that reiatsu. Aizen could lower his own enough so it'd be detectable by mere humans and Kenpachi couldn't be sensed by his own men during his fight with Gremmy, despite not being transcendent like Aizen. The analogy to 2D and 3D beings here is quite adequate - if a bird lands on a windowsill, the 2d surface of the sill will meet with the bird's feet, but if the bird willingly takes off, the 2d surface of the sill has no way of forcing an interaction. But these "dimensions" aren't about breaking the boundaries between different types of spiritual beings (the Visored could easily be sensed, for example) - it's merely about the strength of one's reiatsu.

Can you do a „how strong was white?“ next please? Very fascinated by Aizens creation and honestly I wonder how strong the original was. Probably not captain level since Aizen had to intervene. But compared to a vasto lorde..?

that face grab is a neat black clover reference some may say

How cool would it be in the hell arc if itchigo uses bankai and it shows his sword fused to his hand

one thing that I feel Like Dangai Ichigo is, is what Byakuya says during his fight with Ichigo during the Souls Society Ark It takes years to achieve bankai, and even more such as 10 years to master it Ichigo after achieving his false bankai never truly trained with it for a long time which was evident with how his body was breaking down and became slower during his fight with Byakuya Dangai is Ichigo with 3 months of trainibg with his bankai along with being able to use more of all his powers

I always felt dangai ichigo and his true bankai are similar power levels, it is just once he learns everything in TYBW and has his true zanpakuto he is able to access and use his full power without "burning it up" and losing it.

I wonder how quincy powers affected the final getsuga considering its shinigami technique since Isshin was propably capable of using it

I thought final getsuga was his personal version of the quincy letzt stil but with all his powers and that since he does not have any quincy training then he should be able to add his own version of volstandig to the horn of salvation

Dangai Ichigo had done 3 months continuous training before learning Final GetsugaTensho. I think that 3 month training also which makes a big difference when compared with royal palace episode. Unfortunately that was done in Dangai, so it got reversed. Perhaps that reversal was inevitable or maybe auppressed because of massive power of Ichigo. If reversal was suppressed because of his massive power, then his reversal became possible after he did Final Getsuga Tensho.

I'm still waiting for a discussion about what Aizen was going to say to Ichigo before Ichigo grabbed him and took him away to fight. He was starting to say that there was no need to destroy the town. I've never heard or read much about that, because everyone focuses on the before with Gin and the after with Ichigo. Not to mention, the characters that died from Aizen's big attack are very minimal. Gin, some of the Arrancars (the ones who were bad enough to eventually be killed as villains), Tosen (which was a result from his transformation), aaaaand I think that's about it. If Aizen was and is as powerful as we all agree that he is, that would kinda lead to the consensus that he had no intention of killing anyone. Yamamoto might be the exception to that, because there might have been no way to incapcitate him that Aizen could think of.

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Ichigo’s Quincey blood wasn’t awakened until he was caught in the Jail during TYBW. So it is possible that Dangai still lacked the power from his Quincey side even though he unknowingly accepted it as a part of him.

Dangai Ichigo is an absolute calamity of a power scale.

I don't think we've seen all that TYBW Ichigo can do. Manga was shortened but so far we've seen Kubo is adding a LOT. I'm sure we'll revisit this after the arc has concluded.

Dangai Ichigo is probably about the same as his true shikai but with a bit of a phys and speed amp. That and one stick instead of two so its a two for one special on which type of riatsu he uses.

ok, so from reading/watching bleach what we know as dangai ichigo he was there to take out aizen, but one could state that ichigo didnt need to use the final getsuga to beat aizen, This part can be true but through out the fight aizen was developing too quickly and had to be put down fast, When ichigo learns of his origin ywach(ichigo) never wanted to help ichigo but keeps him alive as he falls, white on the other hand always had ichigos back, Note I was told this wild theory and the reason why white came out was because ichigo lost conscious for a bit and if we went off the storyline where when its day ywach was at full power but at night he loses his power if the same reason is applied when ichigo is awake ywach(ichigo) is in control and supressing his powers while when ichigo is asleep(fallen) white has his powers hence why white is a monster until ichigo wakes up as the suppression side kicks in from ywach but its a fun theory how accurate it could be I dunno but if ichigo asleep is full power it'd make alot of sense. It is also stated if a zanpoktou is broken in bankai it loses like 1/2 of its true power, But ichigo running around with a false bankai and it snapped did he really lose power as his was an armour type bankai as in he wears his power to fight which puts into question his power output since he just launches his own power while under the impression of being in bankai, more so just taking on the appearance of ywach(ichigo) for what his bankai would look like, up in the air for me there. As for when ichigo learns of his origin he knows that both of his powers are there for him which gives him some peace of mind and he can do more since he didnt wanna discard any of the powers that brought them to that point, As he only learned of his quincy line and had an engrained tech it can be stated he could learn and adapt more, as for his bankai during the merge state for the horn of salvation we didnt see his bankai but one of the requirements was for him to put both swords into one and to draw the sword from the scabbard, Ywach did not like what his bankai could do so he broke his swords before using his bankai so safe to say dangai ichigo was powerful for what he needed the power for but compared to what came after and how ichigo evolved more as a person and such dangai ichigo was still limited to what ichigo knew at the time, So strong yet weaker but I'd say itd be like that scene in the zanpoktou rebellion filler where they said zaraki's zanpoktou couldn't be shown as his power would destroy the place and so the creator had to step in.

One thing I will say is that Ichigo is lacking the training he got in the Lost Agent arc, which was a pretty good buff for him (and also taught him how to control his power better).

Dangai Ichigo should have been his form with his true zanpakuto.

I feel like dangai ichigo is what was said, the pinnacle of hollow and shinigami without the quincy holding him back. Yes he accepted his power, but only what he knew of it. His quincy power was not active until the blade is me. So almost his true shikai, then dangai following his true bankai would be the scale