I think they are around the same strength level. The outcome of a potential fight will likely be more dependent on the area and circumstances of the conflict.
Well Marshall d preach it black Beard turn to show us the readers what prime white beard power and haki is all about,I just hope oda sensai show us more and more flash backs of the off screen fights that wasn't showed in the manga,I hope it starts with MONKEY D GARP vs the black Beard pirates I hope we see Zoro god sights in fully effects
Let’s not forget at Marine Ford, old Beard stopped using his oxygen machines and taking his medicine at least a week before the battle. The dude used machines that fed him oxygen and he ditched them to fight in this battle just so he wouldn’t garner sympathy from his enemies. Imagine if he was able to breath without restriction. Edit: changed would to wouldn’t
then ig the current op community won't keep riding Akainu and will start clowning him since he will die to old wb lol. And also we would see Ace training with luffy and sabo having memory lost. Then they will only meet up after the final arc were the three brothers with Dragon(technically the dad of all three in a certain way) , fighting imu and other foes
Prime Whitebeard ✓ Known as the strongest in the world, whose vivre card says that he obtained this title long before the great pirate era, that is, long before Roger died. ✓ Possessor of the 3 types of haki with at least advanced both armament and conqueror. A haki level so high that it was on par with the pirate king who is understood to be the person with the strongest willpower in the world. Well, WB had the same willpower but was oriented towards something different from having the one piece, which was to raise a family and protect defenseless villages. ✓ He carried one of the 12 Saijo O Wazamono (supreme grade sword). It is the highest level type of sword, we only know of top characters that carry one, which are Roger and Mihawk, Shanks probably has one too. ✓ Possessor of the gura gura no mi, one of the most powerful devil fruits. What was seen in Marineford was surprising, but it is clear that it is not all that he is capable of doing, we do not even know what the awakening and / or final attack would be like. ✓ Impressive physical stats. Impressive strength superior to a giant, with which he could stop the Moby Dick with one arm. Immense stamina and stamina taking over 460 attacks including a sword thrust close to the heart, a beam of light from Kizaru to the chest, and Akainu's magma attacks to the internal organs and face. Agility to make big jumps and quickly appear after Akainu without him noticing. All this in his old age and illness. In his prime, he had enough stamina to fight 3 days against Roger. ✓ The trio of legendary marines had a lot of respect for him. Garp called him the king of the seas. Sengoku said that WB was the strongest and that he could destroy the world. Tsuru said that even if she retreated to the end of the ocean, there would be no safe place left in the world when someone faced the power of the gura gura. ✓ Finally, he died standing up.
Bro did you not see that clash he had with Roger ? If you have to jump 50 ft in that air to match somebody you are several times weaker than them .Don't believe me? get the weakest person you know or smallest person you know and tell him to jump and swing down I guarantee you you will not be able to match them even if you're several times stronger than them meaning that Roger was in a completely different level in the trash white beard was
@@SupremeGrandmasterAzrael1 bruh while i do believe that roger > WB that was clearly just animation, it was emphasized their blades didnt even clash, it was sheer haki. not strength.
@@ricardorivera7549 again bro it doesn't matter .If it didn't help he wouldn't jumped 50 ft in the air. You understand it makes no sense for him to do that if it has no effect.
@@SupremeGrandmasterAzrael1 u understand its a shounen and real physics dont apply 90% of the time? and again it wasnt a strength clash, go watch it again. it was a haki clash. strength had nothing to do w it. u reaching on this one.
Primebeard’s willpower is insane when you think about it… on marineford he has the tenacity of a man intending to die… think about the strength of a man fighting to live
I still don't get why people day akainu can square up with a prime whitbeard. They made it incredibly obvious that whitebeard was heavily nerfed and wasn't really moving around and dodging attacks... well that's because he couldn't. Dude is nerfed
That is far from the truth, It was made obvious that the admirals were holding back in Marineford to not accidentally harm the island or their allies, they literally can fight for 10 days and change the weather of an entire island. Kainu shouldve gotten stronger after his fight aokiji too
I honestly believe "the strongest man alive" doesn't even mean physically. Whitebeard could have just ended the world in a melancholic phase, plain and simple. Still, he chose not to.
Bcuz it is Strength why he's called Strongest Man, didn't you hear Sengoku story about Rocks. Rocks was winning until Roger showed up and helped Garp, It's possible Roger entered his Prime earlier than Whitebeard and Garp that's why he could match up against Rocks. The World Government kept it secret and gave Garp all the praise bcuz they didn't want the people knowing Roger a Pirate helped the Marines bcuz that shows weakness on their side humiliation. Power wise Rogers abilities was far superior than anyone in their ERA, there was a story of Drunk Roger almost Destroyed an entire Country bcuz someone said something about his Friends. He was wrecking people with only his Haki he doesn't have a DF, he was feared by his raw power. But not gonna lie I like Whitebeard better than Roger.
Not very many people have looked at this way, love the idea of white beard being stronger than Roger. He does hold the title of strongest after all🤷🏼♂️
Strongest is different from Powerful. Strongest means physical strength. Power wise like Haki Roger got that in the bag, Whitebeard couldn't beat his own Captain Roger and Garp did though. But it was probably mainly Roger bcuz on Sengoku story Garp was having problems against Rocks until they decided to Tag Team with Roger. But since the Government didn't want the world to know Roger helped Garp got all the attention and praise.
@@demetriusevans8407 nah we see Roger and him talking and Roger after finding it but before handing himself into the marines asked whitebeard if he wanted to know what the one piece was and whitebeard declined saying he didn't care.
@@MARSHALLDPREACHhear me out bro. I feel Imu has hidden young clones of Rocks Rodgers WB Big mom Garp to go against luffy last resort to take him down. Trump card Ace Sepherim play with luffy heart to defeat him make him prisoner execution Imu never put bodies in grave-I feel Imu hiding and waiting bring them out like how stussy is clone.
Whitebeard got the title of WSM even before the great age of pirates. That means, he's above Roger. Dude could have become PK but literally helped Roger become PK. My man built different.
cappp. the vivre card says its just a title, and it literally says that his title doesnt refer to his power level. He was rogers rival while roger was on cancer stage 45. good for him.
@@ricardorivera7549 So Mihawk isn't the WSSM then? You're gonna ignore the fact he fought Roger even before his sickness and Roger was said to be in peak condition by crocus even with the sickness? 0 logic.
@@AstroSully Roger fans simply always use the illness as an excuse. They prefer to ignore Crocus' speech. I don't understand, why can't they just accept that Roger isn't the strongest? In practice, even Garp is stronger than him, after all Garp didn't need any legendary weapons in duels.
@@rinka3768 True. I still have Roger and Gar as equals though. Using a blade is just another way of transmitting your haki. But yeah people ignore that WB and Roger fought multiple times. WB said they fought so many times he remembers every single face on Roger’s ship. The one we saw was there last duel. They weren’t even serious on that one.
Haven’t even gotten far enough into the anime to see Whitebeard, but he’s already my favorite character. Definitely gonna make him in Elden Ring when I get off work💯
I wonder how Strong Roger was prior to him being ill. Even during that one clash with Primebeard (during the Oden Flashback), he was still suffering from his illness at the time (why Crocus was on the crew at that time period).
Oda is such a genius man. He knows we love to speculate, and he releases details about a massive battle involving all of the strongest characters, and gives us the results of said battle, but doesn’t release any of the details of how it transpired when there are thousands of scenarios that could’ve played out. Now we’re sitting here speculating and having fun with it, getting us more engaged in the story and its characters. Eventually there will be a huge pay off where we see what happened at God Valley and Oda will blow our minds once again while allowing all of these powerful characters to shine in their own way. He just knows what he’s doing.
True son, a fraud, an experiment or a clone, or whatever he might be, people should give more respect to Weevil when it boils down to power scaling. Kizaru said that Weevil is as strong as young Whitebeard... If Kaido and Big Mom are in the top 10, then Weevil should be there as well.
i mean im sure he meant physically. Weevil lacks the strongest paramecia, the gura gura no mi, the conquerors haki that WB had and he is clearly dumb as a rock so he lacks the IQ. or even the weapon. WB blade was one of the supreme grades.
@@liljay300000 exactly. also kizaru could have meant just weevils raw strength. still lacking the OP devil fruit, the conquerors haki, the experience etc.
Roger, whitebeard and dont forget Garp, he was on at least the same level as both of them in his prime.. the monster trio of their time in a way even though they were all rivals.. those 3 were real monsters
If I’ve learned anything in one piece is your will in your ambitions Are key your strength which is why I have Roger over white beard. White beard and ambition with his family. Roger was the king of the pirates for Rogers ambition was superior in that aspect
I wouldnt say Roger's ambition was superior in any way, its simply differant Whitebeard said it himself when he said he found a treasure even greater than the One piece, for Roger the One piece was his whole life ambition, for WB his familly was. Unless you want to imply that Rogers will for the One piece is superior to Whitebeards "gonna go war with the whole World Governement (aka most of the world) cus one of my son is in danger"
Roger and luffy are at their strongest when they have to protect their crew. And there is Whitebeard who literally considers his entire crew his family. Whitebeard was the strongest because he simply had to be. And Roger didn't even want to be pk. That's just a title given to him by Morgan.
roger surely benefitted from knowing the secrets of the lost century and the one piece and being king of the pirates. His bounty was high for that reason too.
Whitebeard as power to destroy the world and in the war his devil is the best power to sink any ship or destroy any army and island. His devil fruit powder makes him more dangerous but in 1v1 i would go for roger
One of the most impressive feats in the series is the fact that WB was sailing around the new world with a bunch of children and weaklings, meaning he alone is the crew. When your fighting the WB pirates back then, you are not facing a crew, you're facing a lone man.
Also do you think Whitebeard big mom kaido and Gold Lion Shiki awaken there devil fruit powers or just white beard and shiki also do you think if whitebeard new the territory of wano that way he could have gone there and Avenged Oden name to protect oden legacy
I don’t actually think Rocks was stronger than Garp or Roger, cuz Garp and Roger had to team up sure, but they had to fight the whole of Rocks’s crew, that included Shikki, Whitebeard, Kaido, and Big Mom, and Rocks ended up dead after the fight. I think in terms of individual strength among the pirates, from highest to lowest it would be Whitebeard, Roger (very extremely close btw), and then a decent gap from Roger to Rocks, definitely a bigger gap than Roger and Whitebeard. If I had to make an estimate I’d say Rocks’s strength was probably similar to Shanks rn, definitely strong enough to contend with Whitebeard, Garp, and Roger, but not exactly as strong let alone stronger as/than any of those characters per say. Instead, I think that he was definitely the strongest of his crew, but remember that at that time Whitebeard wasn’t strong enough to fight the likes of Roger or Garp yet as he wasn’t exactly in his prime yet. And Kaido and Big Mom? Current Luffy with just his advanced haki and gear 2nd would pack both of them even at once. Kaido currently is still in his prime and he was getting his butt kicked until he used his DF and even then it was close, even before Luffy’s DF awakening, and to think current Kaido is now in his prime with full mastery of his haki and DF but still heavily struggled against Luffy. So I’d say Whitebeard at the time when he was part of Rocks’ crew was probs as strong as current Kaido, while Kaido and Big Mom at the time were about as strong as current Sanji or Katakuri at best. Enough to force an alliance between Roger and Garp, but obviously as they were defeated, not strong enough to win.
gthat begs the question tho, why would BM, Whitebeard, Shiki, Shakky, and all this amazing pirates, many w conquerors haki, would join under a man weaker than them. also it was stated that rocks was a more formidable rival to roger, even above whitebeard. Lastly, Kaido puts Rocks in the same tier as roger whitebeard shanks and oden as capable of defeating him. so he is fs up there.
@@ricardorivera7549 that’s what I was saying, if you compared Rocks to everybody else’s prime, it would’ve been different. As it was in their prime, Whitebeard alone could 1v1 Roger for days, so if Whitebeard was as strong as Roger during the god valley incident, Roger and Garp wouldn’t have won. Cuz judging by the fact that Roger and Garp defeated Rocks and his whole crew which included Whitebeard, Kaido, Big Mom and Shikki then I wouldn’t have made sense if Rocks was stronger than prime Roger. It would’ve made sense that he was a very difficult opponent but also not stronger than prime Whitebeard or prime Roger if his level of strength was similar to Shanks. After all, Kaido placed both Rocks and Shanks on his list, and it would’ve matched up quite nicely, Roger or Garp would’ve struggled a lot fighting him individually, and Whitebeard and the rest of the Rocks pirates before their prime definitely would’ve respected his strength a lot. Meanwhile Roger and Garp together would’ve definitely been able to beat prime Shanks, so it makes sense.
@@lordaragon901 I agree with what you said and it makes perfect sense 👌 If we go by everyone in their primes then it would be WB and Roger as pretty much equals but WB has the OP fruit along with his incredible physical stats which could change things up Followed by Garp who is always viewed to be relatively on par with Roger And Rocks being just behind them in power
@@Rony049 after watching Crocodile and Mohawk join Buggy. I realized Rocks Xebex might turn out to be another extremely lucky clown like Buggy, with unfathomable charisma and knowledge.
I agree that white beard could have been stronger. He was on par with Rodger while not caring about power or glory. Give him Rodgers mindset and he would have been more powerful
Prime Whitebeard was the strongest he possessed all three types of advance haki and the strongest most powerful devil fruit in the paramecia class I'm sure he was the right-hand man of rocks and was more stronger than big mom and kaido combined Prime Whitebeard could beat both of them easily also he was the one closest to one piece some say sakazuki if he was the main protagonist could find one piece in one year but Whitebeard if he was main protagonist was closest to one piece see what I mean
bullshit , if he was he would beat roger no diff but he did not because his devil fruit means nothing in a fight where you fighting a haki master like roger
@@heavenlyway108 disgusting idiot confirmed.... you dont even know what haki is HELL we dont even know how haki truly works... strongest man > a man.... roger became the PK LITERALLY LITERALLY LITERALLY thanks to wb.... his motive wasnt to become the pk but to have a big family and his title was given along the way.... WB and roger equally clashed using haki ONLY!!!... wb wasnt even using his DF... the man is nerf from the get go since he is so strong he would kill his own family without even wanting to but he holds back by default.... THATS HOW DAMN STRONG HE IS, RESPECT THE STORY ALREADY AND CUT YOUR BULLSHIT... he showed equal conqueror's with roger AND EVEN IF ROGER HAS BETTER HAKI wb has more stuff in his arsenal and a title that proves without a doubt who is the strongest... if he wasnt stronger he wouldnt have gotten the title and roger wouldnt ackowledge him as someone worthy of being the PK but wb turned roger's offer proving he is a gigachad and people like you have 2 braincells fighting for the 3rd place "but roger was sick" his sickness had no cure therefore its something noninterchangeable so he is scaled with it... its like saying shanks is the strongest EVER because "IF HE HAD 2 ARMS" NO!!! he is perma sick and thats it... and even if he wasnt we dont know how much stronger he would be so scaling him WITHOUT IT its LITERALLY an alter dimensional take LOL... according to the author himself whitebeard got his WSM title right when oden joined his crew which is about 7 freaking years before roger became the PK.... roger wanted to tell wb how to find the one piece meaning roger KNEW that man was AT LEAST as capable as him YET one of them has the title of the absolutte strongest while the other got his title LITERALLY thanks to the very same person we comparing him right now... idiots like you think when someone doesnt have a df but is a haki master he gets somewhat of a boost.... NO a great haki can boost even further a great df user yet people act like having a DF is a nerf or shame... whitebeard is the only man known to be planetery... WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT HERE? just stfu already you roger fanboys are pathetic.... If roger didnt become the PK nobody would be arguing YET that same title was given THANKS TO THE LITERAL STRONGEST.... pathetic beyond belief
he is known to be ONLY advanced COC user so far, i know he is the strongest but without having a confirmation people giving TO ANYONE abilities they havent shown or to be confirmed users of them is literally headcanon, all and all your represantion is cool exept prime WB > kaido & big mom combined UNLESS you talk about back in the day when kaido and linlin werent at their peak
That sounds amazing! We would probably see more about WB in the God Valley incident flashback if we get one and hopefully see what he did after like him starting his own crew
Isn't it wierd how the older generation was extremely more powerful than the current? I mean the past 2 generations are still squaring up with the new one
Its sad but i think whitebeard died with ace because he was too strong. I think he would Woop the ass of everyone 😂😂 so Luffy had no Chance to become the pirate King Even with Gear 5. so it makes sense that he died. My opinion but Maybe i love him 😂
Ultimately, I see Roger and Whitebeard as equals. Both could defeat each other, it just depends on circumstances. And regarding Shiki "never challenging" Whitebeard, we have no way to verify that. Both sailed the seas for decades and almost assuredly ran into each other many times. We don't know the full day to day and every single fight of Whitebeards time as a pirate, so to just 100% declare that Shiki NEVER challenged Whitebeard feels a little misguided.
whitebeard is the G.O.A.T of One piece. Whitebeard > Roger > Garp > Sengoku. I haven't seen anything about sengoku. So i don't know he was stronger than garp or not.
Nope what the hell a one piece crontent creator doesn't know about it? Alright fine listen. It didn't had affect on Roger's strength it was taking his life span something similar as luffy. Luffy's life span has shorten a lot but it actually don't have any affect on his strength.
Im hella late but maybe bias kicking in but I do belive Whitebeard was physiclly stronger then Roger, after all Roger conquerd world with his supreme conqueror haki. And I also belive that his pure power helped him become his rival and equal in fight. Whitebeard strongest man in world and biggest man we saw in beautifull world of One Piece. Adopting orphans, giving people home and reaso to not give up, protecting them while being strongest, Oda created idol figure.
10:04 - no, oda stated in the ace novel, shanks became famous because he duelled with mihawk, mihawk was already famous before the great pirate era. Mihawk getting the title after beating shanks, is a debunked theorie which many still believe. Mihawk is portrayed stronger than shanks in 1 vs 1 - just deal with it 👌
I do believe whitebeard is stronger than roger. Roger was king of the pirates because of his acomplishments and what he represented. Having said that, I think the gap is tiny. Whitebeard would win 6/10 fights.
Some idiot still believes that Akainu is equal to prime wb, i mean luffy is whopping kizaru ass in the manga, kaido would fold any admiral in one vs one. Admiral were introduced when haki was not a thing, Yonko were introduced in the new world, with all types of adv haki and strong df. The only thing admirals has are 2 adv haki and op df that's all.
haki almost equal to rodger plus the strongest DF equals bad mutherfucker. blackbeard cant even come close to WB with the fruit. WB would have one hit KO laws entire crew after wano in his prime like shanks did vs kid. Without the darkness logia absorbing all the damage WB would get wrecked at least until oda gives him better feats.
It was not the age making whitebeared weak as garp was 76 at marineford time and now he is 78 but still can use his haki at not the extent of his prime but good it was the cancer marking WB weak which is not allowing him to use his haki even at basic level nor even allowing him to use his df at max level his body became weak due to illness not age
rayleigh with the scar on his right eye zoro with the scar on his left. sanji shouldve being have been trained by Rayleigh says a lot. why is Rayleigh so relevant.
prime whitebeard could equally fight roger with just haki alone and he also had his devil fruit i think WB was actually stronger than roger but he only used his haki to fight against roger as some kinda respect
@@piratekingzoro7386 yes, going for a insult so people will react to that rather then your bullshit claim. Very effective. Could have been more effective if you knew what grammar was.
Rocks haki is weaker than roger and he was stronger than roger and i think he did not have a df untill god valley or became that powerfull at god valley he might be on par with roger but weaker untill god valley he some how got way stronger so rocks most likely have better phisicslly amd swordmanship and gain a df st god valley
I think Whitebeard was the factor that shiftet the outcome of the god valley accident. The relationship he had with roger could had his origin in the betray of whitebeard against Rocks.
Wrong worng wrong one piece is about will power whitebeard couldnt even protect ace at the end of the day he failed. Roger was sick when he clashed with whitebeard and it was stated rocks was rogers strongest opponent. Also whitebeard wasnt known as the strongest man until ROGER DIED thats when he was known as the man closest to the one piece and strongest man. Rocks had whitebeard under him so it doesnt make sense to make whitebeard better then him but people who like zoro will probably say zoro is stronger then luffy beginning of the show. my money is on the man who wants freedom vs the guy who cant protect one family member sorry. Not to mention roger liked fighting everyone where as whitebeard would run away from the marines. Roger always fought all the marines that came at him rogers will is above whitebeard
There is a reason Oda made WhiteBeard old and dying. Some abilities are just so broken you can't possibly convince anybody a man with such power can lose period. If WhiteBeard wasn't dying and holding back at the same time he could have easily sank MarineFord to the bottom of the sea. Now imagine such creature in his prime with killer intent he can't lose, all it takes is a single earth quake and the enemy's ship or island will sink to the bottom of the sea, there is no need to fight not that fighting him would have any difference anyway.
I think the main problem is they would never really fight each other at their strongest. Roger is Legendary for fighting his best when his men are behind him. But if Roger knows Whitebeard wont wipe out his crew if he falls, he probably can't go all out. Whitebeard at Marine ford waivered for a second because his body couldn't do what he wanted any more. But if his sons future isn't going to be bright in his absence he will find the strength and stamina to take the threat to hell with him. and i don't see roger messing with his boys that much.
