Respectfully, this sounds unsustainable or like a scam. Up to 10% returns, basically no investment minimum, and no fee to invest, which is why investment firms don't generally do that
Good analysis of the Cybertruck mechanical structure. One minor correction: @9:25: the dual-motor version ALSO has the permanent magnet motor in the front and the induction motor in the rear; same as the tri-motor placement. It is the single-motor RWD version that has the PM motor in the rear. Was covered in Munro Live video w the 5 Tesla engineering execs released on 11 Dec 2023.
How will the cyber truck handle snow plow attachment? Is there a option for snow plow. With all that torque, it would literally be beast at plowing snow.
@@grumpusmaximus9446 Depends on which way on the chart. Stainless is very inert. It would need to be a very salty environment. Considering the structure is made out of steel that would corrode well before the stainless, so the panels would fall off.
To prevent galvanic corrosion, either different metals have to be electrically isolated (rubber sheet between), or very thoroughly bonded, preferably welded. If you watch some Munro Live videos, you see that the bolts between the steel and aluminum are into an insulating plastic sleeve in the casting.
Ironically one of the Cybertruck's largest innovations in volt architecture which apparently cuts down on electrical wiring by 70% which few people think is an issue however with the ever increasing price of copper and the fact that Ukraine was the #1 supplier of vehicle wire harnesses and this cuts down on many issues at once...
@Holeyguagaamoley Supply and demand. Plus uniqueness factor. The moment these 2 factors cool down so does the price. Until than Tesla would be a stupid company to reduce price as long the development cost are recovered and people r buying it at high price in large numbers.
Also there’s like 1,000,000 preorders and Tesla will probably take a long time to ramp up production so there’s gunna be a bunch of scarcity that people will pay for
Yes you can and it is already done on other Teslas. Munroe has shown how strong it is. There is often some bolts to hold it in place while the adhesive cures but the main strength comes from the adhesive. Whole boats are in essence made with adhesives like Polyester and Epoxi. .@@Rudmin
I am sceptical that glue would survive. I had two Apple watches and a Withings scanwatch replaced for free under the warranty when the casing fell apart due to glue failure. This might have been due to sweat induced failure, or temperature changes and differential expansion, as I wore them while ice skating. None suffered any impacts. However, I would expect Tesla to have done significant testing, with temperature variations and salt exposure.
I heard the battery assembly revolutionary? 2 400 volt battery packs series/parallel to make 800v. 4680 tabless dry cell. Dry cell very close to solid state. Dry cell gets rid toxic black slurry/mixing/baking section. So less machines and time
There are test drives with hit. It can outrace a 911 Porsche while towing a 911 Porsche Drive by line steering Fastest electric truck of all the major players Coefficient of drag that is on par with most sports cars Bullet proof Rust resistant 5 star safety In fact the model 3 broke the test and they had to remake it and gave tesla 5.5 out of 5. It's an engineering marvel
I think 300 series stainless could be stamped while “red hot” in its “O” condition, but I’m not positive. My theory is that Tesla could heat sheets to this condition and then stamp body panels that once cooled would be stronger than flat panels.
300 Series stainless is work hardening, and cannot be hardened via heat treat. So 'hardened' sheets are formed via cold rolling. Getting it red hot would essentially anneal it, resulting in it remaining soft when cooled. Then there would be realistic way of hardening it from there.
Unfortunately you have only a vague idea about the construction of the Cybertruck. Apart from the F & R castings, there is NO aluminium in the structure of the CT. The "exoskeleton" door opening frames and the inner door shells are all steel and stainless steel and are either laser welded together or spot welded to the outer Stainless Steel panels. You should watch the Munro Live vids on the building of the Cybertruck.
I’m rooting for the cyber truck, not so much because I like it but because it’s a shot in the arm for EV’s, especially among younger people, who will determine what type of cars will be on the road in the future.
My engineering instincts tell me the stainless steel panels are bonded to inner panels (likely steel), and it is those inner panels that contain welded studs or inserts. This way they can not only hide the spot welds, but they are getting a vibration damping bonus (in the industry this is called constrained layer damping).
Cold rolled Stainless Steel is MARTENSITIC stainless steel. Mechanical stress causes permanent change in crystalline structure of metal to change to one of the hardest or most hard stainless steel. Similar to comparing cast steel/aluminum vs forged steel/aluminum. Forged is lighter and stronger vs casting
I am wondering if the wheels align themselves? With 4 wheel steering you can’t expect a regular tire shop to align the wheels….curious if the computer does it on its own.
There would just be a centre position for the rear steering rack. Then the adjustment would be from there. No different than aligning the front wheels of any car.
I think that all stainless outlets will have laser welded inners of varying size for mounting. No need to directly mount the outer skin to the castings. Castings would mount to the aluminum inners.
@6:26 _invisible method_ It's called *_glue._* Aeronautic/Automotive adhesives have become much, much stronger. (Remember the trouble *Munro Associates* had taking the _structural batteries_ apart. It's gotten worse.) *Tesla* _bonds_ the steel panels of the exoskeleton to the *GigaCast* structures.
This truck may not be the best choice as a do all contractors truck. Being so new and different, any accident or problem that needs shop repair may cause it to be laid up for a longer time than normal. Also nobody knows what the cost will be to insure this vehicle.
The innovation is in the manufacturing process. The paint alone is 25% of the cost of a modern car. The truck is framed totally different than a modern truck, so somehow weighs less and is stronger. Get one and check it out
Drives better than you do. Quieter. Durable. Cheaper energy. Almost impossìble to steal. No accidental carbon monoxide poisoning in the garage. Fewer traffic accidents. Much more survivable traffic accidents. Far fewer vehicle fires and explosions. No need to repaint. Can escape flood hazards. Fewer pedestrian accidents. Less air drag. Easier to drive, especially for handicapped persons. Lasts much longer and has far more lifetime miles. Better visibility. Virtually no recalls. Huge cargo and towing capacity. Roomy, yet fits in the garage. Tight turning radius. Easy and effective steering (steer by wire). Records everything. Counters scam artists. Drowning resistant. Low maintenance. No tuneups. No oil. Stays awake when you don't. Summons assistance when your can't. Can be refuled anywhere. It's pretty. It loves and cares for you. 😊
@@RyanDiederich Saving money on paint doesn't compare to the cost or complexity of making the car out of a high grade stainless steel exoskeleton. When I first saw the Cybertruck design, I thought cost efficiencies were the goal, but Elon Musk himself said that the car is extremely challenging to build or scale up manufacturing.
You said easy to manufacture but a news outlet that I watched earlier has the title "why its hard to manufacture a Cybertruck" I do like the simplicity of controls for new tesla vehicles. Modern cars today tend to look like an airplanes cockpit.
Probably it takes time to develop the machines that make the car, new supplies chain for 48v system, etc, once those are solved the process should be simpler. Just like drug are quickly made but R&D is extensive and lengthy.
Easy/hard depends on viewpoint. Easy because Tesla engineers spend a lot of time to make sure the parts go together without a lot of twisting and turning. Hard because bending the stainless steel required designing new high power brake presses. Engineering was hard, capital expense for machinery expensive. But actually cranking out the vehicles is easy. I would really like to know how many humans work on assembly, some have said the line is highly automated.
@@hitherefrompointswest4805Indeed. Repair shops would need to learn a whole load of new skills, and buy in components from Tesla. Not many third parties will have gigapresses i.e. none.
Yes it is IMPOSSIBLE to weld stainless to aluminum... You say there aren't holes in the body panels so there must some use of brackets or rivets... huh!? What do u think brackets and rivets attach too??? Holes!!!
Stainless steel could bond well to aluminum with adhesive designs like 3M VHB Tapes. This provides sound-deadening properties as well. Adhesive foam is used in structural battery packs for example.
Application formula variants address requirements as do engineered contact shapes. Marine, aircraft, truck, and skyscraper sheeting, applications have tested durability in extreme conditions for decades. But you do need to get it right.@@StillAliveAndKicking_
I think I know what you are talking about. This whole exoskeleton thing didn't really turn out that way, it is a ss skin like conventional cars body panels. I'm sure it contributes to chassis stiffness, but not the major part.
i have a feel this will be a very niche special purpose vehicle like an armored police car or something, cant figure how it can replace the likes of F150 etc.
Tesla has gone to great lengths to make it a practical truck with hold downs, 4' x 6' bed and carbon fiber liner. 4'x8' plywood and drywall can be hauled with the gate down, it will only overhang about 6" beyond the tailgate. I know a lot of truckers put a big premium on towing for long distances, prime example is hauling a large family trailer for summer vacation. Cybertruck will not be a good choice for these people. But any contractor or private owner that doesn't have to go long distances regularly will find the fuel savings and scratch resistance highly desirable. Many will really appreciate the 110v & 220v outlets. Also great for off-roaders who do not have to go a long distance to their favorite site.
A very informative description of how the exoskeleton is attached to the aluminium subframe - could be concrete anchor bolts, could be bolts, could be rivets, could be foam, could be glue, could be welded. Now if you just add soldered, brazed or rubber clips it would cover most options. Whatever is used will confirm to his fanbois that Elon knows more about manufacturing than anyone on earth.
No, Tesla has stated they use glue. Edit: Turns out to be only partially true. The stainless steel is glued or welded to a stamped steel backing which in turn is bolted on to the aluminum substructure. Quarter panels are glued, door panels are welded.
This is not a good explanation video😂 there's no information on the bending machines, the components for the stainless steel penal are ambiguous, and didn't even mention the most wonderful part of Cybertruck, the industry-first 48-volt low-voltage system and steer by wire system neither the 800 volt architecture is mentioned😢😢
-- Two unlike metals fused together in a "modern world"(for like 30 years) usually done with epoxy adhesives. That bond also prevents unlike metal corrosion.
lol I laughed when he said it’s not impossible to weld aluminium to stainless steel or even steel yes it in fact is unless you braze it safe to assume it’s glued together much like all cars these days there’s very little spot welding on panels now
Some of your facts are incorrect. It’s been verified that 1.8mm thick SS is used for the door skins, 1.4mm thick SS is used for valance, fenders, frunk skin, quarter panels and tailgate. Also, the frunk and inner door structures are also made from SS, not aluminum as you state. It’s a thinner gauge so it can be hot stamped.
I mean you explained it yourself, it's essentially a giant structural pack model Y with cosmetic stainless steel outer panels. I don't see how this is revolutionary. Just replace the typical curved cosmetic steel outer panels with flat stainless steel ones...
The laughing tone when describing an insect exoskeleton hardly obscures the fact that you then go on describe a unibody design, which is it laughing boy?
Revolutionary???…aka: we built it from the exterior first without thinking of the interior but spin it like we meant to use an exoskeleton design, and then we decided to stick with stainless steel because we are stubborn and want to stick with an extremely difficult manufacturing process… Is that what you mean by revolutionary?
The question is how fast can Tesla construct a CyberTruck a week. Tesla might be able to make the truck however they still have issues creating enough batteries
Uh oh, better not buy anymore laptops, flashlights, battery operated tools or toys, cell phones, drones, cameras, golf carts, heated jackets, hearing aids, wireless headphones, automobiles . . . I think that "problem" has been raised and solved many times before. 😂
This is a prime reason why the Cybertruck was delayed. They had to wait for 4680 manufacturing problems to be solved. I expect that problem is behind them now.
@@waynerussell6401 That is the standard industry excuse. Slowed down slightly no doubt, but engineers kept working throughout, even if from home. For vehicles in production, some parts were delayed up to a month.
I think you'll find the front subframe is still welded steel painted black not an aluminium casting. At least from the pictures ive seen. The rear subframe looks aluminium however.
Even tho the glass wasnt bulletproof like tesla said it would be. For a standard vehicle behing able to withstand a hit with a steel ball and not shattering is still pretty cool
There is no exoskeleton!!!!!!!! Not even a shared internal and external skeleton. Look at the flimsy fasteners of the stainless steel panels. These can not take any force other than holding the panels in place!
@@niederrheiner8468 If the inner unibody took all the impact, then it would significantly deform, would it not? Yet the impact analysis I've seen so far indicates that it is only the doors themselves that are deformed and need replacement 🤔
@@awabooks9886 The same force that hits the doors is put throu to the inner unibody, because they are directly connected. The doors are not connected to an exoskeleton, which could take the forces that would otherwise hit the inner unibody, because there is no exoskeleton.
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