How The Alien Movie Series Evolved 

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Joe man Hahahahaha!!!!

Reminds me of that guy with the big channel.. I can't remember the name, but he makes 30 minute videos on movies and 70% of it is boring, unfunny, forced skits. I'd honestly rather just listen about someone TALKING about the movie as opposed to doing skits.

@@810wasaninsidejob9 Are you maybe referring to Nostalgia Critic? I personally find him quite funny, (most of the time) and he clearly puts a lot of work into his content.

Wonder what his sub count was when you made your comment "1 year ago" cause he seems to be doing pretty well now, I reckon your prediction rang true.

That's amazing! I liked the earlier ones, but Covenant is one of my top 3 movies of all time

Unpopular opinion here. I actually like alien 3. Although it isnt the best one, i still enjoy it.

Joseph Jiran I agree, but in a B movie kinda way

Also both franchises got excellent videogames set in their respective universes: Alien Isolation and Terminator Resistance

Alien 3 didn't ruin the franchise. It was closer to the original than the overbloated second movie

Add mad max to that list. The first two were unique, the third was much more lighthearted and fury road while a decent enough film is not a true sequel in my mind.

I had the exact same reaction. Glad to see I wasn't the only one.

"Space truckers behaved more like scientists than the actual scientists of Prometheus". Ah ... no! The crew in Alien are by FAR the most idiotic morons in the entire franchise. They are completely and utterly stupid. For example, one of their crew members has an alien attached to his face. The alien came from a ship which they now know was sending out a warning signal. In the ship they discovered an alien who's chest had been burst outward. The crew member went down through a hole in the floor that had been created by acid, then stupidly stuck his head over an egg that clearly had a life-form inside it. That life-form attached itself to his face, even though he had a spacesuit on. They now also know that the life-form has acid for blood. Hey ... but when the thing suddenly disappears from his face, three of them go into the room, without weapons, and start poking around for it. Yeah ... they were real Einstein's those space jockeys... As for the crew on the Prometheus, it was a secret mission, so not surprisingly they weren't able to recruit top scientists, because top scientists don't leave whatever thing they're currently doing to go off on an adventure that they know nothing about, especially when the person doing the hiring doesn't believe in the mission and consequently doesn't sell it. Of course ... it's made quite clear that they are there for the money, but that doesn't fit with your view does it? Not to mention that you clearly don't know any scientists because, contrary to popular belief, scientists do just as many stupid things as everyday people, especially when they are in a stressful situation and are dealing with things outside their speciality. None of them do anything especially stupid, but even the stupid things they do are within the bounds of believable for bottom of the barrel scientists who have found themselves on an alien planet. My question is, why do people like you continue to watch movies in a franchise you don't like? I mean ... you obviously don't like Alien or Aliens, because heaps of stupid things are done in both movies, and clearly you don't like movies with stupid people; even though stupidity is a standard trope for horror films. So why are you watching Prometheus anyway? Or do you just give the first movies a pass for some reason? Or is it that you never realised how idiotic the crew in Alien were?

Sounds like a Millennial is in the house.

Well, Inflation exists. A trillion dollars to the Prometheus expedition wouldn't go as far as it would today. I'm not saying Prometheus was a good movie...I guess I'm saying you need mental gymnastics to see past it's flaws

@@philsurtees Days since I've been exposed to a useless, overreacting, biased, "Love it or leave it" comment: 0

I love that game. I play it with The Thing's (1982) soundtrack in the background. :)

So true, I wish I could like this 100 times

Alien Infestation on DS is also quite good

Seems you had missed Alien: Ressurection on Play Station.

That game legitimately made me too anxious to continue playing, and I'm someone who normally isn't phase by that stuff.

I actually like the third

Correction: three good films.

Same as Predator

@@olenlotharjoo No! it was two

@@geemonster9179 No it was three

I only watch Alien, then Aliens and blow the rest off - they're all shite.

@@FerDeLance06 I love them all.

@@FredVI lolololololol eat me.

@@FredVI lol, eat me baby.

Good point, I agree. But I still believe Dirty Harry's 44 magnum owns that particular category. And I love how all guns sound in The good the bad the ugly.

Yeah, they make the old mistake of trying to explain more than is necessary and destroys in the process the mystery. It's just a bunch of suits that don't know about filmmaking and old men that cannot think up new concepts anymore and relies on old classics.

@Therese Jardinier I have to agree that Rdily Scott and The Studios totally mis-interpreted Giegers work - But on the same not, fans had been wanting to see where the Aliens came from and how they were created etc... Fans wanted an Origin Story!!! That comes into conflict with Giegers work... The design of the Space Jockey means it is Immobile - So that obviously was not the creator which then would leave fans saying 'Ah! But you never explained the Space Jockey!'... Long and the short - I don't think anything they would have tried would have been right! I have been asking myself the question - Did we want more than could be delivered? Is that why Prometheus gets so much hate? I mean - Take the Deacon... We wanted an Alien Origin for so long, So they gave us one... They EVOLVED to the creature they are now... BUT NOPE!!! That was an insult! NO NO NO The fans all cried! That's wrong, That's now how it happens... Ummmmmmm... So why were the fans not sending an approved Script to Fox then??? Is the fan perception the biggest issue? For me personally - When I forts saw Prometheus I was BORED WITLESS... I hated it!!! But having rewatched it now... I find I was unfair... It is no where near as bad as I first though - I do NOT like the Trilobite in anyway (That was AWFUL!) but the Deacon was Interesting looking back... So - Do I think they did a good job? Hmmmmmmm... I dunno - I feel they went back TOO FAR... But that would have led to even more prequels and even more spin offs and Fox just milking fans for the sheer hell of it... I think they should have taken a look at Dark Horse Comics and what they did - They came up with MANY great Ideas, including an Actual Alien Homeworld where they are NOT the Apex Predator... Where other indigenous life is more than able to fight back and even KILL the Xenomorph.. They even created an Else-World Story where another Alien Race seeks Facehugger Eggs and they sell them as a DELICACY!!! Yup - A bunch of Alien Explorers find Facehuggers, Let them leap at their faces and EAT The Facehugger ALIVE!!! So there have been many, many great concepts... But maybe thats why we were all so pissed off...

*Warren Marris* The Alien universe didn't need an origin story, it had already established an interesting world where people are ruled by greedy and bureaucratic corporations. There was already a lot of potential for new stories with new characters, using the preexisting world that had been created in the first 2 movies. Ironically it's our real world's corporations that ruined the 3rd movie, which could have been Canon but failed to deliver due to too many suits involved, and after that, there's no point in continuing the story; it's never going to be Canon again. Listening to the fans is a recipe for disaster, especially with serious movie franchises like the Alien movies. When you make movies for the "fans", you're commercializing your art, and in it, ruining what made the originals unique and compelling in the first place.

Daniel Nicklas I respect the thinking behind Aliens, but I don't agree with it (not that I was massively consulted at the time!). For me, the egg-morphing concept was a lot stronger (and stranger) - the alien didn't need a queen to reproduce, it just needed victims. The difference between Alien and something like Starship Troopers is the slithering horror of something that quickly adapts to your environment, and then effectively rapes you to death. Creepy and horrific (it seemed to figure out the Nostromo's layout pretty quickly) I also half-remember something Giger said in an interview. The idea was that the xenomorph was a mix of Space-Jockey and human. Presumably, that would be another weapon in its arsenal - as it keeps reproducing through the same species (human - egg - facehugger - Xeno and then more humans to turn into eggs), the aliens would become more and more like their victims with every generation and might even replace them entirely before moving on. As far as the Space-Jockey species homeworld is concerned, surely Giger's biomechanical landscapes would be a good place to start.

I agree with everything you said, half of what made the alien creature interesting was the lack of how they came to be, and what exactly happened on that derelict ship. I don't care about where they come from they just are, and that's what makes them terrifying. The prequels (while well shot) do nothing but ruin the mythology by pretentiously over complicating things, and arriving at silly conclusions for the big questions.

Agree, the biggest problem with Prometheus - despite is being a visual spectacle - was the atrocious writing, lack of character development, and the fact that Noomi Rapace's character was annoying as hell in it

@@simonbarr9476 I am not trying to oversell this. But Prometheus is quite litterally the worst movie I have ever seen. Becides the nonsensical story and character motivations the cinematography, shots, editing, effects ect. ect. is trash! I could go on for hours on how poorly every scene was constructed.

Alien: Agreed. Aliens: Agreed except I'd say "very smart" instead of "genius" Alien 3: Also agreed, but I genuinely believe the intriguing aspects make up for a good part of the damage that was done by studio interference; Resurrection: Agreed again, but I wouldn't call it more coherent. I feel that Alien 3 is more of "an Alien movie" than Resurrection can ever hope to be. However, I do agree that Resurrection is more coherent _with his own nature_ (rather than with the series it belongs in) while Alien 3 is more of a mixed bag and is also more unfocused. AvP/AvP:Requiem: Yes, these are almost completely different beasts. I don't agree with the accusation of "destroying the franchise" - mostly, because I don't subscribe to the theory that Prequels/Sequels/Spin-Offs/Remakes/Reboots can "destroy" their source material. You can still enjoy the Star Wars original trilogy even knowing that Darth Vader was a whining brat and hated sand because "it's coarse, it's rough and gets everywhere". Prometheus: Defintely _very_ flawed and, yes, pretentious and badly written but at least _does_ try something different. Granted, it (mostly) fails at it but - again - manages to be somewhat intrguing. Covenant: Immediately retreads on the "trying something new" part and starts drowning on its own self-importance while rehashing more than familiar characters and situations. This is a franchise that doesn't know what it wants to be: there are four thematically linked movies, two "entirely different things"-movies, and two semi-interestng, messy, pseudo-phliosophical sandwiches.

Totally agree with you Sonny!

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i'm puzzled about how that shit works, i'm a surface scientist so i should know LOL

@@galvanizedcorpse The way it works is as follows... The more views he gets... the more excited the lava becomes. I should know, I'm a doctor professor! 😃

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Lampfred Von Lampgesicht - it just rolls off the tongue.

Canek Valencia the only reason to make prequels to Alien should be to look at the origins of the Space Jokey and I think Prometheus did that well. Covenant just went the easy route to throw Xenos into it.

TheSorrowLives True, it was interesting to make Space Jockey one of many Engineers. It would of been cool if the Engineer's civilization got destroyed due to an uknowing host bringing a Xenomorph back to their home world.

Actually, Prometheus did it too, at least at the end, and even with some sort-of less obvious things earlier. The pre-release info and the marketing also gave most people the idea they would be watching an Alien prequel, and most people would then expect to see something-something-xenomorph. And then the sequel comes out and does just that, but still falls short.

Don't jump to conclusions yet! We have time to save the franchise. Think about it, the Engineers might not actually be the creators of the Xenomorphs. They are the creators of "the black goo" which might just be weaponized Xeno DNA (Don't make me explain how, I'm no scientist, movie magic). David doesn't actually have a Xenomorph, he only has the Proto- and the Neomorph, and I do not think the Ovomorphs (Eggs) look quite the same in Covenant, as in other Alien movies, which might suggest they're not fully the same species. Just theory crafting tho'. Could be anything.

David couldn't have created the xeno. the eggs in Alien are old as shit given that the space jockey is fossilized.

If only it was better put together. You can't really blame Fincher when the tools and materials were all on fire tho.

Having the child and the space marine alive would make for a very different setting indeed. They could have ditched all three, really. But Sigourney's fatigue with the films bleeding into the film (just kill me already) is amusing. I appreciated what the film TRIED to do when it was released. With the Assembly Cut, I wholeheartedly sympathise with Fincher. He probably would have done something really remarkable had they left him alone.

@@CTyler84 But Weavers fatigue works, because it makes Ripley more human. Wanting to die when you're at the point where Ripley is in the third film would be understandable. She's been living with massive PTSD since her experience im the first film. Then she's asked to go back and deal with xenomorphs once more (and is once again betrayed by a company rep once more), her own daughter died on her while she was floating through space for 57 years, and her surrogate daughter ended up dying too along with Hicks right after Riplry thought they hade made it out safe all three. She had to go through seeing Newt getting an autopsy, and as icing on the cake, she discovers that she too has been implanted with an embryo, realizing that unless she commits suicide, she's gonna die in one of the most awful ways imaginable, which has haunted her nightmares ever since she escaped the Nostromo. Any man or woman going through all of that in one lifetime is likely to feel pretty suicidal and weary too. So if Weaver was weary with the role, she could definitely use it to make Ripley more convincing.

@Seven Proxies - I agree with you completely: I love the bleak tone of the third movie, plus the music is fantastic. It’s more of a horror movie than an action film, which links it back to the first movie and in my opinion it’s a great way to end the trilogy (I ignore the other sequels). Ripley certainly would be weary from all the pain and horror she’s endured up to that point and on learning she is now host to an alien queen, suicide would be a very understandable conclusion. I still haven’t fully made up my mind yet but I think Alien 3 could be my favourite of the trilogy.

@@stevebrizzle It's definitely not my favourite of the series (1 and 2 are my absolute favourites). But I came to realize that the third film is one that grew on me and is a very good film in it's own right. But I didn't think so as a kid, because I had just come from the spectacle and thrills from Aliens, so going back to just one xenomorph in the film, and no cool guns and space marines, it made my younger self a little disappointed. But growing up I came to appreciate it's qualities and I definitely consider it a worthy part of the trilogy, even if it's not my absolute favourite one.

Agreed. Her being killed off between films is such a massive waste, and kind of a slap in the face to the fans that actually enjoyed Prometheus. It seemed like she was being set up to be the new series lead. I have no idea what Ridley was thinking when they decided to do Shaw dirty like that.

@@dvt1393 lol, so true. If you walked away enjoying the film, she was definitely one of the things that made you forget a lot of other things. And in between films, smh.

George Hill there’s no responses so allow me to supplement one: woah.

Coinsidence, I THINK NOT!

This means that... uh... Ian Holm likes being in projects that contain references to Middle Earth? That's all I got.

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Maybe humans were just supposed to serve as a food for some alien lifeform?

jonesey251 I imagine so, considering how the very first Xeno in Alien had a faint humanoid skull beneath the dome on its head

You can see the skull on the big chap

I believe Ash was a last minute addition to the crew, and that this was his first excursion with this particular crew. Presumably the Company had picked up the transmission, but he was only there to force a landing because they didn't know exactly what the signal was- presumably, they'd only know that it wasn't from one of their own vessels. If I recall correctly, his special operations info specifically assumed there were some sort of alien specimens to recover.

Exactly for all of it's claims to be smart it's simply a blatant rip off of a better concept.

Yeah; Alien makes it pretty clear that the Nostromo is an old piece of junk that's barely hanging together, nearing the end of its lifespan. We don't know exactly how old the Nostromo is; it could've easily been many decades old, maybe even a century, and then you add on to that it was clearly always a bargain bin piece of crap only meant to transport cargo... and then things make a bit more sense.

+Saul Slendamann - Ah ... no ... NONE of that is true. There is NOTHING to indicate that the Nostromo is a piece of junk - in fact the very OPPOSITE of that is true - and there's nothing to indicate that it's anywhere near the end of it's lifespan. It most certainly is NOT a century old. The company sent the Nostromo to retrieve the xenomorph, and obviously they didn't send an old piece of junk to complete a mission that was so important to them that the crew were expendable. Then in Aliens they made it quite clear in Ripley's deposition that the Nostromo was extremely valuable. It makes sense that it isn't of the same standard as a ship used by the owner of Weyland Yutani, but there's no way known it was a bargain bin piece of crap.

preshlock No! This is not about crossing the Atlantic or whatever, but about exploring the universe which may have un conceivable challenges and threats; so you need very advanced technology. Your ignorance is appalling.

Saul Slendamann No!

I just watched the Star Trek Next Gen episode where Scotty makes an appearance. They talk about how a ship could easily still be in service even though its old. It wouldn't be a stretch to retcon any ideas about all ships being new ships. It's like that with cars. Yes, new cars appear everywhere on the road, but the old ones still hang around until they wear out, or are replaced, or ruined, or kept in someone's garage until they're trendy and classic/vintage.

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Couldn't agree more....I much prefer films that at least try to have the characters acting in a believable way even if the situations are unreal. Jurassic Park for instance, I can appreciate that movie because for the time it was made, it something you can immerse yourself in...the park isn't yet open and things go wrong in a way you think could possibly happen, etc. But then fast forward to Jurassic World and you have a fully functioning theme park with thousands of visitors and the most dangerous creatures on earth all on the same island....and you have extremely lax security measures that allow 2 children to easily disappear into the wilderness, only one helicopter, next to no weapons.....gah, I hated that movie.

Darth Revan i still think they did a really good job making the alien as interesting as possible for 37 years old idea

Here we go YET again, people complaining about stupid actions in Covenant, even though they do NOTHING that hasn't been done before, and the crew in Alien are by FAR the most moronic people in the entire franchise. Why do you people watch Alien movies when you don't like the franchise in the first place? Why do we never hear you complaining about the completely and utterly idiotic things that the crew of the Nostromo do? In Aliens the base is open to the atmosphere of the planet and both the colonists and the marines walk around outside without suits. Don't come back with some bullshit about them having checked the planet out, because if you haven't found a giant alien ship filled with thousands of eggs, then you haven't checked the planet out well enough to know there aren't microscopic spores there. So ... why do you give Alien and Aliens a pass, but not Alien Covenant?

​@@philsurtees In _Aliens_ the Marines and Sigourney Weaver's character visit a settlement on LV-426 (the planet from the first movie) and that settlement is a terraforming colony. They know they can go without suits because they've had people living there, terraforming, for years. As for _Alien_ and the Nostromo crew, the only real huge mistake they make is the way they handle (or, rather, *don't* handle) the quarantine and allow John Hurt to be brought back on board with an alien creature attached to his face. However, the way that situation is handled is a plot point: Ripley wants the crew to follow the standard quarantine protocols but Ash overrides her and allows the crew back in. The thing is, though, that the Nostromo crew is essentially a space truckers crew - and when they do stupid things, they're in a panic. In _Prometheus_ you have scientists and, in _Covenant_ there are terraforming colonists _and_ scientists and most of the utterly moronic things they do happen *before* they have any reason to be in some sort of panic. At the same time, when they _do_ have reason to panic and find themselves in the company of an obviously deranged android (who has _obviously_ been experimenting with crazy genetically-enhanced crap) they are absolutely cool about the whole thing, trust him on sight and even allow themselves to be separated and follow the psychotic droid around, often times in dark, underground rooms filled with suspicious looking eggs. That isn't the worst thing, though: the biggest problem with _Prometheus_ and _Covenant_ is that the characters feel like narrative devices rather than like people.

First two are excellent Third is solid Fourth is meh Fifth was shit

I can agree with that

The first Dirty Harry is an absolute masterpiece I think, the 2nd one, while not as good, is still a solid movie. I haven't seen the 3rd one -with the female co-lead- in a while but it felt underwhelming the last time I saw it, way back when. The 4th one, by Eastwood himself, is a very nice effort, going back to the roots of the first 2 with a darker tone. The 5th one was just bad.

The Dirty Harry Movies are a product of their time... A bit Like Death Wish... Modern Audiences would not really get them or think they would be better with a reboot or remake, but they are culturally significant - To attempt a reboot of either of these would ruin their legacy! I saw all of them out of sequence... LOL! But for the most part I enjoyed them all... They were very unashamed in simply giving us more of the same long before SAW came along. They never sought to do anything new or innovate - They were just what we wanted and expected... Sadly, the later films did get weaker, but they are all good for what they are to their genre and their significance to the time period.

Warren Harris That's funny, as soon as Dirty Harry was mentioned I also thought of Death Wish.

It's better to just admit the film is inconsistent with what came before it and move on.

Doesn't Blade Runner shear the same universe as the Alien franchise?

It evolved, just backwards.

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qw000pz more like the Deevolution of satire

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This!!!

It would be called "How references replaced jokes", and would apply to _many_ more movies than just the Scary Movie series.

Easy, first one was sort of lightning in a bottle, second one tried too hard and fell flat and awkward, then original creators left series, went to Zuckers who ruined what was left and PG-13'd them 😑

I think it should have ended at Alien 3. It would have been a nice trilogy, but yeah I agree that the first one was the best.

I’ll always love Aliens because I got to see it in the theater with my Dad the day after we rented Alien.

No way can you miss out no2. 1 and 2 are superb.... rest suck badly

He's a James Cameron hater, and not all of it warranted I think. Although I will say I agree mostly with his assessment of Aliens, it cheapens the mystery and threat of the original Alien if you mow down dozens and dozens of them with pulse rifles and explain how they function, essentially making them Space Ants.

I loved A3. The only thing that I can't forgive it for is killing of Newt and Hicks. I rate it above the car crash that is Prometheus and Covenant (which basically did the same to Shaw as A3 did to Hicks/Newt).

Kesyabasturd I hated Alien 3, was so bored

Knight Artorias Don't get me wrong, it has its faults, but I don't hate it. My hatred is saved for Alien: Resurrection.

Kevin Striker Is that why he hates it? I'm not the biggest fan of James Cameron, but I agree that the hate is hyperbolic.

Ridley Scott says there's too much Xenomorph. Xenomorph had invaded Disneyland.

I've BEEN interested in their origins, but after I finally got to know them, I really wish I haven't.... the explanation they gave is stupid and offensive. Just as with the origins of space jockeys. They were just too lazy to come up with creepy and creative ideas.

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@@maciejkowalski2759 don't they say we are made in God's image? It makes sense that we look like them... As we share their DNA. Still need to find out why the space jockey had a chest buster coming out of it

I sort of agree. But the origins of the xenomorphs always made me curious. That said, if they were going to explore their origins, then at the very least they could've gone with a Lovecraftian approach (since the concept of the xenomorph borrows so much from Lovecraft to begin with) and simply presented an origin of that species that's just downright strange, difficult to understand and possibly even raise bigger questions and mysteries than we had before. Instead, they went with a boring human centric approach which ruined everything.

Punkster "The one saving grace is Fassbender as David/Walter and that's it. I know I'm not the first or likely to be the last to say this." he was the best part.

Sir BigWater I kinda liked that though, Like each part is it's own thing. 1- A horror. 2 - Action horror. 3- A bleak horror, kinda the most dramatic one to me. 4- A parody, some odd funny moments.

It’s not like the aliens become weaker, it’s more of just the humans actually being armed with futuristic weapons, although it’s mainly their fear of the threat and their initial cockiness that result in most of their gruesome deaths,

Aliens is great, and I think deserves some of its bloated ratings. I'll never understand the hate for Alien 3 though. It's a slower film, and truer to its 1979 predecessor.

BlackburnBigdragon .... I do agree. I feel the further u are from the original then the more stereotypes you begin to expect...the android, the slipping a face hugger in an enclosed space, badass shoot outs for example....yet all the time trying to add spin to the bigger picture. Prometheus could have been a Creator series severing the ties to Alien. comparisons would always be drawn but possibly because it's Scott at the helm. moving from a horror based movie series into a more philosophical format, cutting that tie and allowing us the viewer to experience something new. Arrival was a breath of fresh air in my book and it's a shame Prometheus lost a big opportunity.

Yes. Hollywood is just doing what it does best: Beating a dead horse for money. They keep making the movies and people keep saying, "OOO!!! AN ALIEN MOVIE!!!!" The thing is a pop culture slasher villain now, unfortunately. The thing is, I get tired of these types of movies after the first or second one. Prometheus, I thought was poorly written schlock that TRIED to be meaningful and intelligent. Don't get me wrong. It looked great, but the writing was AWFUL. They haven't had a semi-decent "Alien" film since the second movie and that one there didn't do the first movie any justice. It was just a popcorn action flick.

which was accepted back in the day of Friday 13th and Freddy as well as scary movie and perhaps final destination but to swap genres from horror/action into one where they expect the viewer to appreciate the deeper meaning, or maybe to miss the deeper meaning and just give us your money and watch it so the FEW can indulge themselves with studio money

Well if you like the first one the best (I do too) then I guess you can always watch that 1st movie and ignore anything that came out after like with almost any film series, as long as its always available to watch. unlike the original 3 star wars movies though, we don't have a choice on that for now.

It is the destiny of all great movie monsters to be milked (ew).

Agreed, it's fantastic. More people are beginning to realize this.

KlausBahnhof great performances, music, cinematography and tone. Just weak narratively and in the effects department

The intelligence of the characters and the intelligence of the film are intrinsically linked. The crew aboard Prometheus were supposed to be the greatest minds on earth. If those characters are badly written and dumb, then so is the movie.

Go down to an alien planet without precautions, don't worry that the planet appeared out of nowhere. Breathe in those alien spores. Put your face over an opening egg because the robot tells you to, even though the robot just freaked out over you killing a murderous creature..... And there's more, the idiot who blew up the lander being the most facepalm-worthy. And what was the point of the mystery over what happened to Shaw?

Agent Black, I'll second that, under the proviso that it applies when characters are accidentally dumb; e.g., the filmmakers are dumb. Screenwriting PRO TIP: If your characters quote Freud, they are dumb. Reference Jung, dumb. Say "energy/matter can be neither created or destroyed," dumb. We should make a list.

The crew aboard Prometheus were NOT supposed to be the greatest minds on Earth. In fact the EXACT OPPOSITE of that is true. A bunch of scientists are asked to go on a voyage across space with ZERO information as to the reason why. It is made quite clear that they are there for the MONEY, not because they are great minds going off on some scientific quest. The scientists on the Prometheus are bottom of the barrel scientists. Not to mention the fact that scientists are all perfectly capable of making idiotic decisions, but for some reason people seem to think that all scientists behave rationally and intelligently in any and all situations; even when faced with advanced aliens on a distant planet. What I love most about people complaining about the intelligence of the crew in Prometheus, or Alien Covenant for that matter, is that EASILY the most stupid crew in the entire franchise are the ones in Alien. So why is it that you people are watching movies in a franchise that you don't like? Alternatively, please explain why you give the crew in Alien a pass for their stupidity, but not the crew in Prometheus or Alien Covenant? 1. "Go down to an alien planet without precautions, don't worry that the planet appeared out of nowhere". You mean, go and investigate why there is a transmission of a singing human voice that's coming from that planet? We're just ignoring the crew deaths, the fact that they're 7 years from their original target, and the fact that they aren't even sure if the target planet will be any good, because they're inconvenient to your view are we? What precautions should they have taken? 2. "Breathe in those alien spores". In Aliens they're walking around outside even though they clearly hadn't checked the planet to see if there were alien spores, because if you haven't seen a giant spaceship filled with alien eggs, then you certainly haven't checked thoroughly enough to find microscopic spores. Aliens gets a pass but Covenant doesn't though right? 3. "Put your face over an opening egg because the robot tells you to, even though the robot just freaked out over you killing a murderous creature.....". You're right, that's stupid. A bit like when someone found an alien craft, discovered a giant alien inside with it's chest burst outwards, went down a hole in the floor that had been created by some kind of acid, then stuck his head over an opening egg, even after seeing movement inside of it. Hey but that gets a pass right, even though it was a completely idiotic thing to do, but Covenant doesn't, even though there was no reason to distrust David? 4. Now we're back on the ship and one of the crew has an alien on his face that has managed to attach itself despite his helmet. We now know the alien signal was a warning, not an SOS. We know that the alien has acid for blood. The whole thing is completely fucked up. Hey ... but when the face-hugger suddenly disappears, why don't three of us walk into the room, without any weapons, and just start poking around for it. What could possibly go wrong? 5. I know, now that we know the alien is huge, and has murdered one of the crew, let's send the captain down into the air vents to look for it, even though we don't have technology that can determine what level the captain and the alien are on. What could possibly go wrong? 6. Now that almost all of us are dead, and we know the whole thing was a giant setup, let's split up again. What could possibly go wrong? 7. There's is a virtually indestructible alien on the ship, and I need to escape, but first I'm going to risk everything and go save the cat, because that's not stupid at all. Of course you risk your life for a cat, rather than let it be instantly vaporised without any pain when the ship self destructs. I mean ... of course you split up from your companions, but you certainly don't leave the cat behind. 8. Make sure that at no point we send a message back to Earth, explaining that there's a vicious alien on the ship, because we can travel faster than the speed of light somehow, but we can't send messages back to Earth. It's not even worth trying really is it? Why would you bother? Should I go on or is that enough? I ask again, why are you people watching a franchise that you hate? You obviously don't like Alien because the crew in it are complete imbeciles - FAR more stupid than anyone else in the entire franchise - so why do you keep watching the movies?

@@agentblackacid But the same link then counts for Covenant.. The crew of the colony ship must be the smartest bunch of them all, cause they are in charge of the mission, the chosen ones that will be awoken in emergencies etc. Yet they are a bunch of really ignorant and neglectful people. The pace in the Covenant is way to fast as well, things just happen way to quick. It all feels rushed to meet a 3 second attention span audience, while at the same time making a feeble attempt to be a "smart" continuation of the alien lore and franchise. For me it really didnt work out.. the stupidity of the crew and actions made, combined with the pace of the movie and poorly written "smart" story.. just ruined it for me. The crew annoyed me, the speed in which things happened didn allow for connecting to the story and the story itself was poorly executed. It all just didnt make sense to me and it turned out to be a massive dissapointment.

Tommy Barnard - I like them but I think the tv series was better.

Aliens and Terminator 2 are the arguments for a sequel being better than the original, although I agree with the rest

Yes, but then Alien Resurrection and Terminator Genesys happened. :p

Down The Plot Hole How about a kinda "rule of two"? (Eg. only one sequel per franchise should be made) I can't think of many sequels after the first one being particularly good, for any franchise.

Yeah, but that still leaves room for Jurassic Park: The Lost World, Ghostbusters 2 and The Matrix 2 (what ever it's called). That said, some films have great sequels. I think it's just some great films are clearly meant to be stand alone movies. - A simple idea that's executed really well. It's just a thought. :p

I agree that the Matrix sequels were shit, but apparently the second one was critically acclaimed

Ex Machina springs to mind. At least until they decide to tell the story of the android who got out, how she fell in love and married, but then was outed as an android and we have to have a commentary on marginalised people ohmygod oscar worthy $10billion dollars

Snarfindorf I would say the last two movies have brought a comeback of great special effects and visuals

Snarfindorf Is it actually possible to devolve? I think evolution only goes one way

good point

devolve dɪˈvɒlv/Submit verb 1. transfer or delegate (power) to a lower level, especially from central government to local or regional administration. "measures to devolve power to a Scottish assembly" synonyms: delegate, pass (down/on), hand down/over/on, depute, transfer, transmit, commit, assign, consign, convey, entrust, turn over, make over, sign over, give, part with, let go of, leave, cede, surrender, relinquish, deliver; More 2. formal pass into (a different state, especially a worse one); degenerate. "the Empire devolved into separate warring states"

Kesyabasturd beat me to it.

VaughnJogVlog There's always next time :)

I would say that _Prometheus_ and _Covenant_ are better than the two (or four,if you include the AVP films) that came before it. To me, the second film was an evolution. The next two films devolved. _AVP_ is more entertaining than _Resurrection_, so that's an evolution. _Requiem_ was a devolution. I think that _Prometheus_ got back on track and really evolved the series. I think that it's overall really good, although not one of the greats, like _Alien_ and _Aliens_. _Covenant_ is a slight devolution, with some plot holes, but still pretty good (seriously, I've seen enough shoddy horror films to know that it's in the 95th percentile). So if you're keeping track, it's: Evolution, devolution, devolution, (evolution, devolution), _significant_ evolution, and _slight_ devolution. I'd say that it cycles. On the whole, it still hasn't reached the point where we're having genuine arguments over whether the sequel is better than the originals, though, so we have devolved, but not by orders of magnitude.

John Hooyer I have mixed feelings on Promethesus and Covenant, there's a part of me that likes and dislikes them, Covenant in particular is going to divide the fan base even more. Yeah, they definitely went back and fourth on the quality.

I think the one thing that kills the two new movies is that characters are presented as one thing and act like another. XenoXYZ experts chosen for ultrabux mission to another planet on ship with the boss. Act like they're lazy oil rig workers who caint wait till leave starts, oh here we go again. Are completely incompetent and break all protocols that even normal civies with commons sense would not. Just dumb characters, I absolutely hate how some of them were written. David was the best thing about them imo

"Bane"

you mean '79, when directors who were kids in the '40s and '50s, thus probably watched such science fiction films where the alien life form was the threat, like War of the Worlds, The Blob, The Day the Earth Stood Still, The Thing From Another World, Invaders From Mars, Invasion of the Body Snatchers. In the Day The Earth Stood Still they sort of are looking out for our interests, but only under the threat of complete obliteration. Either way, maybe aside from Hippy-types, we had been exposed to Alien Terror something near forty-odd years before Alien came out.

Those old 50's/60's aliens are still intelligent and far more advanced than humanity is. The xeno is a feral creature that runs on instinct. It's a different thing entirely.

Covenant was stupid but it was enjoyable. I quite enjoyed AvP too.