How The Terminator Movies Have Changed 

Hey, that's a good question and one that always makes me go back and look it up. It's a bit confusing, as Arnold is an 800 series, model 101. In T3 he refers to himself as a T101, and is in fact part of the 850 series in that movie. In the same movie (I think in the extras) he's also called a T850. Salvation is the first time anyone says T-800, and Genisys is the first time Arnold calls himself a T-800. But the number 101, according to Cameron, designates appearance, so all 101s look like Arnie. So in short, I think maybe T-800 is more technically accurate, but really they're both the same thing. Until the next thing comes out and his canonical name becomes Pops.

ATWDigital Arnold is a T800 and the Arnold version is the 101. As evidenced in the dream/nightmare/flashback sequence of Reese where a Terminator infoltrates the bunker... a T800(that is not Arnold) systematically kills everyone in the bunker(the scene where Reese is looking at the burning photo of Sarah). In T3 he is an upgraded endoskeleton T850(with the nuclear power cell), still with the outer skin of series model 101. This is something thats always bothered me. Cuz tho I dig Arnie as the Terminator(even in the lesser sequels)... having so many of the T800s being Arnold betrays the entire idea of their technological advancement. They were technological triumphs for Skynet as they were so difficult to spot being that they had organic outer covering(as opposed to the early rubber skin of the preceeding models)... bad breath etc. If they all looked like Arnold or if they were as common as it would appear to be(since he kept popping up as a T800) it kind of defeats the purpose of them being so lifelike... arguably easier to spot as spotting Arnold in the remnants of humanity wouldnt exactly be a difficult task lol I always wished theyd peppered the other movies with more T800s that were portrayed by other performers... like in Salvation(tho I loathe that film) have a different Terminator be brought out of the factory to attack Connor/Marcus and have an Arnold model in the background amongst a sea of other iterations with other skins. Because Skynet would have to be smarter than to only make one version of the T800 to attempt to blend in and infiltrate the resistance haha Shame none of the other writeres or filmmakers beyond T2 thought of this. They gave an explanation for his being "chosen" in 3. But ultimately even if they give reason to his being the ine utilized in Genysis, it wouldve been far more refreshing to see that even though weve seen 5 different T800(4 rather and a T850) that look just like Arnolds 101... if they had shown a wide variety of T800s.

He is a T-800 model 101 from cyberdyne system.

aneanthesieus not in 3... hes a T850 in 3... but the point is/was that the skin that covers the T800 endoskeleton that makes them look like Arnold is model 101. T800s do not all look like Arnold. Merely the systems model 101s

Nice to know about the skin layer being the model 101. Tho there is only 2 terminator movies...

The matrix and the terminator are two different universes

Hmm ... maybe John Connor was THE FIRST Neo ... who became Agent Smith and ... and went back to father Palpatine ...

I get it....after the machines complete their takeover...they begin farming what's left of us....leading to the events in the matrix. Also..your comment is so suprisingly awesome that i'm not scrolling down any further..cause how can it get any better.

My personal Blade Runner timeline goes: 1. Blade Runner 2. Blade Runner 2049 3. nuBSG

@@fearglitchdragon7237 yah but they do have the same story line with AI taking over the world so would be easy to cross them that would of been a sick twist at the end of matrix 3 the terminator music kicks in .

The only problem with the comment is he actually drove a car through the window - a late 70's Chevy Nova

@Jay Lex Oops you are correct sir!

The next T movie in the series should just cover the uprising, with humans being brutally eliminated by the andriods for 2 hours continually. Game of thrones style everyone dies. Written and filmed in True Greek Tragedy style just when you think it can't get worse, it does... and endless horror film... Because that is what a war between machines and humans would be like. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_sBBaNYex3E.html

Terminator is not ultra violent!! The saw series and hostel trilogy is ultra violent I love the first 2 films epic piece of film history

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@jemielnic the worst part is. the timeline makes no sense in it. old sarah conner in modern environment like after genisys. old T-800 or the T-800 100 convert from genisys. who the fuck is the kid. and who, what the fuck is that wanna be man looking thing with kid. what the fuck is that terminator. its like they are copying the T-X from terminator 3 but making even less sense

Now that Edward f is reprising John Connor in dark fate I’ll probably go see it.

@Christopher Marlowe How can you see that trailer, watch an actor named Gabriel Luna and then think the killer robot from the future that has no sexual preference is a straight, white guy? God damn, conservatives are fucking stupid.

@@zachiswayposi1 Bingo! Conservatives have become the biggest whiners now. The anti-SJWs have impressively surpassed the annoyance of the original SJWs. The antagonist terminator in Dark Fate is NOT a white male. The actor is mixed. The movie is taking place in Mexico and hence the actors. In the end of T1, and also in T2, that's where they are headed, to Mexico. The movie continues from there. Obviously the terminator want to look the part, hence he's of Mexican descent. But here we are again, the anti-SJWs WHINING about "ORMGERDDDDD, A STRONG FEMALE LEAD?!?! SJWWWWWWWWW". Fucking retards.

Alt Right Knight while I loved T2, I feel like after it, every movie tried to one up the action sequences and technology.. I feel like the thriller/horror take is the way to go with any movies in the future and I hope dark fate does just that... but I would take a mix between 1&2 easily... The horror/thriller terminator aspect was evident in T2, but it was a bit reduced... which worked.. but again... getting back to that would be great.

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I guess only a handful of people here understand this gag! :)

All the police scenes would be aced on the first shot.

Terminators were always pretty good on sizing up clothes at a glance.

Good One!!!

Agreed. He was just "generic handsome action star man" instead of Kyle Reese. Reese was a scrappy, resourceful, scarred survivor of war that still had just a spark of hope left. Courtney was just bland with no soul.

What bugged me most of Jai Courtney's Reese was his body ... fully built, no scars. How the heck could someone get that kind of body in a bleak and desperate future?

Agree. Courtney & Emily was mis-casted. Jay didn’t look like he have no problem getting 5000 calorie and personal gym trainer. Emily is 5’2. She is not physically menacing as Linda Hamilton. Most of her dialogue, especially the shower locker scene, If it wasnt for GOT dragon queen I would think she is a horrible actor

The worst thing about any movie is how awful Jai Courtney is

Salvation Reese is actually ok when you rewatch it. After all the new terminators salvation is almost as good as the first 2.

Yeah you're right - Cameron apparently once said something like 'you want to make the one in the war, that's the one to make.' So wasted opportunity is probably exactly right.

I really loved the start of salvation with the minigun-wielding terminator in the streets....... I think if the movie had more of that it wouldn't have been as bad..... also I loved how blue everything was on T1 and T2 and I would have loved if that was in salvation......... terminator genesis made me think of the far cry blood dragon DLC

TheFatspud seemed weird that Connor&Co were putting down terminators with traditional carbines, but I guess that earlier models were weaker as T800 seemed almost indestructable by surviving direct grenade hits and even molten metal. And what it's worth, Bale kinda looked like that future-John in the beginning of T2 even if he ruined the role a bit with that funny batman-talk.

It sort of makes sense. Skynet would only start off the war with whatever unmanned equipment that had entered service in the US before the war. Skynet would have to build their first Terminators out of steel, rather than titanium, as it's a very scarce and labor-intensive material to work with. The war wages for about 30 years before humanity wins, so Skynet should have worse stuff to begin with.

I'm probably one of the few people who enjoyed that one, although it definitly could have been better executed. I remember they were kicking around the concept of future wars for years, dating back to the toy series and comics that came out when I was a kid, and I still find it amusing they made kids toys out of graphic r rated movies back then. When salvation was first announced I vaguely recall the creators mentioning they were gonna make that the next trilogy, which could have been pretty cool. then it bombed worse than judgment day, so they tried to reboot it with genisys, and we all know how that train wreck turned out.

Yeah, T2 is one of the top 10 g.o.a.t. Cameron knows his shit

pretty sure T2 beats all movies in 2019 still.

I only recognize the first three Terminator to be my favorite but I still like Terminator 3 rise of the Machines I like the humor and I like the story

nah, both are bad but genisys is the worst by far

@@victorfergn Yes Genisys is WAY worse. Dark Fate has a lot of decent things in it despite overall being only okay. It is the third best movie.

Dark Fate is much better than T3, Salvation and Genisys. Most people hate it because it has the audacity to present three women as the protagonists (and one of them is Mexican!!!). But any of them is far better in her role than Danaerys or Jai Courtney.

Lol I sorta liked Genisys it had decent plot points I was also curious as to who sent the guardian back. *This is just my opinion ffs. * My favourite is T1 and T2 though I say it ended there.

@@dani3po THere's just nothing original about it really. It's just the Terminator 1-2 again, except delayed 30 years with different robots, and feminist facade to attempt to capture both male and female market segments. Except the feminists aren't interested in an Arnold film because of his prior exploits (maid, sexual harassment stuff), or action sci fi generally. And now the Arnold/scifi fans would rather download it on torrent than pay for it. I watched/bought it. But it has the same conclusion as T3 (future is inevitable). But the attempt to broaden the market, back fired. Also the future war depicted in Dark Fate doesn't look interesting at all. A bad copy of Live Die Repeat, or matrix reloaded. And show Danny as tough bad ass in the future was more laughable than inspiring.

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That is funny. "Oh my back" What so YOU think of the new one?

Adam Diedrichs English please?

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Imagine finding out after 35 years of deception your own mother and father were insidiously and deceptively disguised as parents who love you when they were your killers the entire time! True story.

@Pecan Pie Off topic a bit but yeah...

Byron Dare the scene of the end of the world scared the shit out of me haha I was little! The liquid metal guy scared the shit outta me to

If you were 7 when you watched genesis, you'd probably be pretty fucked up too

Moral of the story: Don't trust your mother. She's metal as hell.

Angmor Dagnithil i would give that title to Darth Vader, but thats just me

I agree, T-1000 was fucking absolutely terrifying. I used to have nightmares when I was a kid about him.

It really says something when a villain can make Arnold's character look like the underdog in a fist fight.

@@jasonvoorheesthethird i dont think so, what made the T-1000 so scary was that he could look and sound like other people. so the T-1000 could be anywhere and you would have no idea until it was too late

I'm still waaaay more scared of Arnie in T1 and it's entirely because of that animatronic prosthetic head they used. Turns out using a slightly cheap, unvonvincing fake head for your slightly unconvincg robot villain results in uncanny overload. I still find the film almost unwatchable because of how uncomfortable it makes me.

i like this one, the new villain was really hard to kill, sarah connor had an interesting development, and the idea of a terminator without a mission would live the disguise

YoStu spot on! T2 etc were more about Arnie the superstar playing the terminator, rather than just focussing on what the terminator would realistically do and why it would do it. the gritty realism of the original is what makes it the best.

He took the cool clothes because they fit him, and glasses for his eyes in advance since it was reprogrammed, it learned more.

I agree. Except T2 is noty great in my opinion. Watered down violence and preaching about human life. No thanks.

T2 was the best

I think Cameron was mellowing out by this point. He was putting the brakes on ultra violence in his movies and stopped eating meat.

both have flawed but imo underrated third entries too.

The problem though as you say with film quality and aesthetics is that Genisys made alot of money, globally. So, they have to fix the franchise or put out another uninspired sequel.

I'll defend the aliens sequels on one ground: 3 & 4 were at least weird, singular films that very overtly come from the particular voices involved. Terminator 3 & 4 were just generic.

Not to forget that in both series the first two are the best (and arguably the only two worth watching)

Correct man! Good comment!😃

shane bingham Yep, l saw Westworld last year and couldn't believe how similar the Terminators were to Yul Bryner's character; the menacing walking, the (non) facial expressions, the relentless, murderous attitude etc. Cameron owes a thing or two to that movie.

@@Justify-My-Hate Well, watch pretty much any of James Cameron's films and you'll see that he owes a lot to a lot of movies. 😅 Especially Avatar. The man can craft exciting, endearing, visually and technologically groundbreaking films... But originality in the story and screenplay department is not exactly his strong suit.

@@dvt1393 It is impossible for me to disagree with your comment. 👍👍

Arnie did mention Yul Brynner's performance in Westworld as a major source of inspiration. He is absolutely terrifying (Brynner) in Westworld. Fantastic film that predated Terminator by a decade!

Airplane: Robot war.

terminator 6 - germ warfare, in which the original t-100 gets sent back to primordial earth to kill the puddle we bipeds crawled out of.

James Cameron stated he wants to start a new trilogy, it will be as follows: - The Feminator - Feminator 2: Day of Misogyny - Feminator 3: Rise of the Patriarchy "Don't Touch My Uterus"

Terminators on a plane?

tylerx2f01 and a Benny Hill chase scene lol

completely agree

the rest made you just laugh at the terminator.

T2 is my favorite for multiple reasons~~ I just believe (for myself) it had: a stronger narrative I could emotionally invest myself in, better character/actor chemistry, an improved score, and was more emotionally evocative/thought provoking (the extra polish didn't hurt either). That being said the first is excellent in a very raw/nasty/visceral sort of way~ I can see why the first is the favorite of many; just not what I appreciate most in film/cinema.

I agree it was a great dark film and while T2 had the great special effects it was made with a 100 million dollar budget while the first film had a budget of 6 million. I also thought the Sarah Conner Chronicles was pretty good as well better than any of the films that followed T2.

I think the Reese character among many other things makes the first one superior. Its not messing around...the terminator is something scary.

The Terminator (1984) was a science fiction horror movie.

Kalvin Wike precisely: the best sci fi, fantasy etc often has a strong element of horror.

filmschoolrejects.com/25-movie-sequels-better-than-original/ screenrant.com/terminator-movies-ranked-worst-best/ Well there are other movies better than Terminator 1: Back to the Future, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, Godzilla (1954), The Thing, etc.

It should have ended after Terminator two but if they wanted to do a sequel it had to jump 35 years so we can actually see the future War

@Jeeses99 that was taken out of the movie mainly because they wanted to leave it open for a sequel do you think that soon should have been put back in

no, it should have not

Salvation is the Best sequeal out of all of them its not the greatest movie but shit i would take that over 3,genesis, and dark fate

not really, there is plenty of room and the stories of the sequels arnt perse bad, its just poorly executed and again...that PG13 need ruins it all

i think what happened is that every terminator that went back, gave that much more of an edge to the people of the past. i want to think there is a terminator ∅ where Sarah still has a son named jon but he grows up and actually gets down with Claire Danes and her dad pushed them into crystal cave and eventually jon stepped up when he realized he could actually help and connect the resistance to each other, he becomes the voice that shared each advantage one group would find to the others, and basically became a legend. the robots are getting very tired of not being able to get him and form a plan to just kill his mom. one resistance cell tells him, they meet and he gives Kyle the picture and fills him in on where to find her, what she was like, and all the things his father told him was what he did to win her over. when the time machine is completed, and the Arnold bot chooses to go before she even meets the first Jon's dad. so then, _the terminator_ happened and this Jon is a little better prepared than the brother from another father. this key point is that he married the connection to crystal cave after tickling her downstairs at that party, so t1000 knows to stop Jon before that occurs. but now Arnold gives Jon more direct information. and so on and so on. and each time, the future is a little bit better, a little later and skynet is that much more matches. no fate but what we make, right? i know this is two years old, but this is he first comment I've seen that actually put thought into why things were the way they were.

Every time, I think of Edward Furlong, this comes to my mind: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g7_Cr6NgAz8.html Correct me, if I´m wrong, but that´s him at the beginning of the joke, isn´t he??

Logic at its finest: "Yeah the second movie was better in almost every way, but the first one was better because of nostalgia"

@@CayeDaws Not really, the first one was much better in terms in horror, it had a much darker and gritty atmosphere then the other films, but both are amazing.

I think it was in the novelisation that explained that the chassis needed to be a certain size to contain all of the needed components, which then required a large human shape outside to contain it all.

I always thought the actor they picked for the T1000 was not only average, but actually very good-looking with a pleasant voice and speech pattern. I don't know if this kind of appeal was intentional or not in the casting process, but it made the surprise all the greater for me when I first watched this movie. It made me go "What?? He's the killer? Aw, but he seemed so nice!" Lol

In the 80's he wore punk clothing not biker gear.

elitadream apparently he was the “Porche” to Arnie’s “Tank” - sleeker, sexier and deadlier.

@@elitadream He comes off as unassuming until the reveal in the mall, at least that is how I remember seeing it. There are hints at his more sinister qualities throughout the opening. Robert Patrick did an amazing job. We do not see or hear the stabbing sound when he copies the police officer.

@El Cucuy Yes there are 3 movie timelines now if I'm not mistaken. A) Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Terminator 4 B) Terminator, Terminator 5 and C) Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 6. So Timeline B ignores Terminator 2, Terminator 3 and Terminator 4 while TImeline C only ignores Terminator 3 and Terminator 4.

Kill of John Connor replace him with a woman Dark Fate.

While DF's cold and paranoid Sarah is pretty much that incarnate.

Exactly what i was thinking

Agreed. I would have loved another 2 films set in that future and ending in Cameron's future.

yea i still hope we get a sequel to that franchisie. Hopefully ending it.

Agreed they just rolled out the first T800 models that would change the course of the war to that grim one in T1 and 2

I'm pretty sure T4 does not take T3 as cannon. We don't know what happened between T2 and t4

Super ChaseYT Genisys* Feminator*

Booooooo

@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson and how feminists changed the plot just to justify their existence...

You forgot The Sarah Connor Chronicles

@@bojangbg except now the movie has come out and it shows you are completely wrong, just because most of the cast is female doesn't make it a fuckin chick flick.

BiscuitHead pardon?

mucgh like Disney - no interest in Star Wars as a concept or visionary piece of cinema as it originally was, but just the next money bucket for their execs

Just like the guy in the video just said. the terminator movies have always a little of humor on them.

Nah, 3 went over a precipitous drop, it was shit, let's be honest

@@uncannyvalley2350 no it wasnt, when you compare the movies (which you should never do) then yes but as a movie itself it wasnt bad. Terminator fans do the mistake that they compare everything to the first two entries but to be honest in that regard t2 was also the unnecesary entry that destroyed the timeline/franchise. The terminator closed the loop and made a perfect thing and cameron didnt expect for there to be a sequel because of his history with directing so there was nothing to add except the war against machines in the future but t2 destroyed the timeline of the first movie and made even worse one (thanks a lot john) but both movies have a somewhat definitive ending and that isnt a problem in t1 because of the loop but t2s definitive ending destroyed the possibility of another movies to milk the gold for hollywood and came against everything t1 was t1 was a horror movie while t2 is an action movie t1 make arnie the bad guy and builds hopelesness but t2 destroys that with the whole he is reprogrammed friend t2 was actually the first step to destroying the legacy of the terminator franchise I dont hate t2 but I dont see it as a movie that is better than t1 as t1 is the best terminator movie and everything after that is a watchable parody even t2. lets face it, all terminator movies by themselfs are good but t1 simply stands out as best. Future john according to kyle was a wise guy and he is john he would save the people and destroy skynet if possible but because he is in the future and already lived it all he knows that skynet is the only ai that humanity can win against so he doesnt arogantly try to destroy skynet in the past but in the future in the war he was preparing for all his life.

STRIPPER GLASSES? *Elton John* glasses

@@jindrichsander7271 that's kind of the point, though. T2 was so well made, that it didn't even matter that it was a redundant movie. T3 is well beyond redundant and offers up a lesser experience, more cheese, and less polish than the first two. That makes it objectively, a worse movie, and the weakest of the three. Everything after that, is just bad. Which is a real shame, because I would STILL support the idea of a future war version, but the Bale film just didn't deliver, and is now a wasted opportunity, they wont get back.

The real problem with T3 and onwards is that in the second movie, with the T-1000, T-800 chip and arm, and Arnold himself all being destroyed in the steel mill, there were no parts to reverse-engineer, becuase Cyberdyne stystems was also destroyed. The second movie basically said we can and will prevent Judgement Day. Yet, T3 went right around and said Lol no Now we have all this bullshit. To me, Any Terminator movie after T2 is NOT canon.

ExodusBF4 it’s because you’re not open to the many possible different timelines. Kyle explained it perfectly in T1. Now what any creator can do with that is up to them. The worst one is T3 because it DIDNT try anything new.

@@vectra8412 one thing everyone forgets...the arm that gets ripped off in the gears at the end of T2

IamSpacedad Sophie Stewart wrote the Terminator/Matrix. Cameron stole her material. Look up court case.

Originality died in the 80s

@@Someone-u-know2 Fake news

Well put. Arnie was really effective as a stalker. The scene where he kills Ginger & her boyfriend was really claustrophobic and unsettling.

“most people don’t recognise it” is the sentence that makes you sound like a giant condescending prick that resulted in me not givin a shit about your essay

Lady Wanderer It makes plenty of sense. TS takes place before Skynets next big advancements. The humans are already barely holding on. Then Skynet introduces T-800s and laser-guns. Humans no longer stand a chance. Perpetual night missions. Avoiding daytime activities. Running from a practically unkillable enemy.

TS is set in 2018. Cameron's future war was set in 2029.

@Lady Wanderer the only way it makes sense to me is that the war was postponed in t2 so maybe technology in a whole was more advanced when the war really starts in whatever year t3 came out

Me too

maby because that was a genuine funny line, compared to the overdone "Comedy"

The terminator series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is a worthwhile watch.

3 and salvation really aren’t that bad compared to the newer ones

what pissed me off even more was that the trailer and TV spots pretty much gave away one of the biggest surprises of the film. I agree though, John Conner becoming a terminator was stupid. It should've been Matt Smith's Character.

The entire movie was a parody.

IKR- IT WAS LIKE SACRILEGE!!!

Absolutely agreed, man. That was just awful. In the beginning of the movie I actually was all like, "hey, I kind of like this actor's portrayal of John Connor, he's quite charismatic", and then he turns evil and becomes a Terminator? What? That's just horrible. John Connor is the hero, the chosen one of the story, he just doesn't work as a villain.

The face wrestler just got sick in the middle of the story line, so they turned him heel for shits giggles and shock effect.

Avelier Plays James Cameron is going to direct the next one, so we can only hope.

you are not missing much

the pre-film hype kept telling me that there is a new unbeatable terminator and then they show, not this new terminator, but the giant robot that scooped people up and brought them back to the concentration camp. I felt tricked.

Dat Boi I saw some quote from some critic saying, "The twist isn't what you think it is!" I saw the movie. The critic was wrong.

anyone who cares about seeing good films today knows not to watch trailers

I agree with you about the trailers for Genisys spoiling the plot twist but they did exactly the same thing with T2. The first third of T2 is deliberately filmed and edited so that it looks like it's a simple repeat of T1 with Robert Patrick instead of Michael Biehn as a human from the future sent to protect Connor from Arnold's Terminator. So it's as much a surprise to the viewer as it is to John when, in the first show-down in the corridor, Arnold protects him. Or at least it would be if the audience hadn't seen the trailers that specifically stated that Arnold was now the good guy there to protect him, thus completely undermining all the misdirection that Cameron had been carefully building up previously.

shoua7 You can't expect people to pay attention. They'd rather complain about things they've heard others complain about already.

kinda tickle me how 800 ripped up that bedside killbot like his own kind were now obsolete crap- plus his portrail kind of did for him what alien 3 did for the xenomorph: re establish the threat level of a singular threat of great durability.

Further to that it is set in 2018 not 2029 the resistance have not yet gone underground.

There's one line about the 600s in Terminator: "The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy." Nothing about them being easy to destroy, only being easy to spot.

While not mentioned in the movie, the novelization of The Terminator has Reese speculating on what series of terminator he's going to face, hoping it was a 700-series so he'll actually have a chance of destroying it with primitive 1980s firearms. Stands to reason that the previous generation, the 600-series, would be even easier to destroy.

Kovacs Robert A case of two franchises that should have been left alone after the original classics? Yeah, I agree with that.

YOU SUCK STAR WARS Is COOL AND TERMINATOR AND you suck compared to those movies

@@reaperkillerr797 rude

Pepper Millers this comment is rude, Star Wars rocks, in my opinion the Terminator franchise ends with T3, the other two SUCK!!

@@NinthShinigami Terminator 2 already has a conclusive ending if you watched the Director's Cut.

What I find impressive is how Yelchin managed to adopt the skittery mannerisms of Reese from the first film. I actually bought into him being a younger Reese.

T5 is better than T4.

the hell you are talking about T4 is better than 3 and 5

no 5 is better than 4 and 3

5 is the worst of all

@@zerg47 Nah man. At least Genisys was entertaining. Something you could enjoy in a way. Maybe even make you laugh a couple of times. Genisys wad bad. Salvation was bad *and* boring. Two of the worst things a film can be.

Ha ha! Yeah I bet. The second one certainly has a special place in my heart but I love the first.

Shavinism h

Yeah, in the first one you felt the tension and that a lot was at stake and the Kyle Reese characters was vulnerable but at the same time very competent and determined and you really cared for them both to succeed with their mission.

The first movie was one of the darkest movies ever. It's the only movie where the protagonists don't try to destroy Skynet or stop the future war. As an audience member you are forced to just commit to the idea that almost all of humanity is going to be wiped out, and the best you can hope for is that 3 generations or so down the road humanity will be left a nuclear wasteland to inhabit. There aren't many movies that force you to give up on hope in the way that the first Terminator does.

Shavinism I agree, although when I was younger, I still thought, T2 was the better one. But yeah, now that changed again back to the first one, you said it perfectly: "Rawwwww"! But to me, pretty much every entry of the movies has at least something interesting going for it! Except for the fourth one! Fuck that movie!....

Thanks and welcome!

yep

Cameron is notorious for flip flopping. He endorsed both T3 and Salvation at the times they were released, now he claims he hates them. He also endorsed Genysis and now he says he hates that one as well. Arnold says the same thing. They just go by what the fans say, if the fans like it they are cool with it, but if the fans hate it they both flip flop to condemn it.

Pixar The Great It might be contractual to endorse a movie up to and a little after its release, and then once the contract is over, they can actually say what they really think.

Eh...I chalk it up the "New appeal" wearing off. WHen Star Wars TFA came out, fans chalked it up to being the best in the franchise. A month passed, and a lot of people wrote it off. Including George Lucas who originally loved the film during the initial airing only to pretty much calling it a "movie made by committee" weeks later.

I agree. T3 was the logical conclusion to the series. It updated the concept of Skynet to make it at least somewhat believable for the 21st century and set the stage for the final war between mankind and the machines. I think the only reason it gets hate is that nearly 20 years had passed since the first film was released (not to mention over a decade since T2) and people forgot to take off their rose-tinted glasses before entering the theater.

I lasted about 15 minutes into Salvation. It was just so badly made. T3 is mediocre, but nowhere near as bad as Salvation.

Fuck ya bro...smoke another one

He was too effed up on drugs to reprise his role as John Connor the studio didn't want to associate with him for that reason that's why they replace him

Was John Conner

Kenny Lust only 1 and 2 exist

*checks media server* Yup only 1 and 2 exist in my world

Here is one way to look at it. (no judgement on levels of quality are implied) T1: Chase film T2: Chase film T3: Chase film T4: NOT a chase film T5: haven't seen it

Kenny Lust Terminator 3: hot garbage Terminator 4: garbage

Kenny Lust Almost perfect? Almost? Brah Terminator 2 surpassed perfection.

What is a 'flashforward terminator'...? I do not understand this reference...

xman1976a there was a scene where dogs were detecting terminators coming into one of the humans camps. It was looked on as something of a dream by Kyle Reese if I remember correctly. Instead of a flashback, call it a flash forward.

@@Argonautx66 Ok, Thanks for explaining! :)