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Here is the story of one of the greatest StarCraft 2 players in history. NaNiWa was famous with his skills, as well as bad manners that let him down. Today I'll tell you the most interesting stuff about his career and especially about NaNiWa and IEM Hiatus. NaNiWa StarCraft 2 career was special - and here's why:
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Timecodes:
00:00 What is this video about
00:48 StarCraft 2 scene and brief history
01:30 Korean Dominance in StarCraft 2
03:09 How Koreans conquered StarCraft 2
04:25 The "Foreign" scene and the appeareance of NaNiWa
04:41 Why NaNiWa became so famous
06:07 The rise of NaNiWa
07:24 Bad manners and misbehaviour of NaNiWa
08:56 Alliance hires NaNiWa: biggest achievements
10:56 NaNiWa's IEM Katowice 2014
11:44 The Hiatus, controversy and end of NaNiWa's career
14:40 The Aftermath
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@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

MATCH-FIXING SCANDAL that almost RUINED KOREAN Proscene - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DWbaUr8kZaU.html Check out Our new Project FGC Storyteller - www.youtube.com/@fgcstoryteller Check out my personal channels - www.youtube.com/@Gaming_Essays & www.youtube.com/@RTSCasts Timecodes: 00:00 What is this video about 00:48 StarCraft 2 scene and brief history 01:30 Korean Dominance in StarCraft 2 03:09 How Koreans conquered StarCraft 2 04:25 The "Foreign" scene and the appeareance of NaNiWa 04:41 Why NaNiWa became so famous 06:07 The rise of NaNiWa 07:24 Bad manners and misbehaviour of NaNiWa 08:56 Alliance hires NaNiWa: biggest achievements 10:56 NaNiWa's IEM Katowice 2014 11:44 The Hiatus, controversy and end of NaNiWa's career 14:40 The Aftermath

@berloga03 Год назад

Казалось бы, при чем тут НС?

@MightySheep Год назад

Honestly I totally buy his excuse about the soundproofing thing. You dont need to hear the casters or specifics, you just need to hear/feel the crowd go crazy and the fact that youre getting cheesed becomes incredibly obvious.

@AB_n_C Год назад

But everyone already knew by 2015 that Naniwa is a cheeser. Players also got use to being cheesed. Scouting is very important. But the best cheeser is HAS.

@zalard6896 Год назад

NaniWa was known for cheesing by that point as well, regardless of sound proofing, if you cheese 1/3 of your games or more, people are going to get used to scouting for it

@SonicBoyster Год назад

@@AB_n_C This isn't an argument, though. You can't just say "Well who cares if the crowd gave it away, he probably would have figured it out." You can apply that sort of reverse logic to everything to reverse engineer it. "Player X had 200 higher ELO so who cares if he cheated, he probably would have won anyway." Either you play on a fair field or you shouldn't play at all.

@AB_n_C Год назад

@The Advocate they both played on even playing field. Polt had no 'advantage' over Naniwa. Everyone knows there is a crowd. Naniwa is a veteran player who understands the cheese aspect of playing in a tournament. U can use whatever u can within the aspect of the tournament. The tournament staff also agrees w my statement hence why there is no do-over. Naniwa left becuz he lost the game on a emotional level.

@solwitar Год назад

That moment is muted in this video, but Polt already sent scout before cheer.

@thdjjfsfh 2 месяца назад

So Polt is who we owe for ending both Idra's and Naniwa's SC careers? What a good guy. TLO was an inspiration to a lot of us, and he doesn't like Naniwa either. Seem like he's an overall very unlikable guy.

@gabe22400 2 года назад

So Polt ended both Idra and NaniWa careers in a major match. Good to know.

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

Polt the destroyer of foreign hopes

@bohneneintopf 2 года назад

what happened to polt? Really liked this guy

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

@@bohneneintopf In short, he retired to do the military service in South Korea. He also has a degree from University of Texas. Sometimes he used to stream, but his last once 2 years ago. I guess he just found a job either in America or in South Korea. I'll make a video about him someday

@bohneneintopf 2 года назад

@@EsportsStoryteller Nice, will await your video!

@gabe22400 2 года назад

@@bohneneintopf Polt did his military duty and then went on streaming on SC2 and then Teamfight Tatics. After that, he became T1's marketing manager, he is still doing E-sports, but much more of a back end capacity.

@rabbitcreative 2 года назад

Calling something "soundproof" when in fact it isn't is itself a problem.

@TrueThanny Год назад

The first non-Korean winner of a premier tournament in Korea was Neeb, not Serral.

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

True, my bad

@boyzvird Год назад

@@EsportsStoryteller you should make an effort to correct the video maybe a caption or something, as a storyteller of esports history you should strive for accuracy

@luxon4 Год назад

@@boyzvird yeah it actually pretty seriously hurts the integrity of the channel since i kind of accept everything else as true in other documentaries without verification.

@AB_n_C Год назад

Yea I was a big fan of Neeb after that. But he never did anything spectacular after that the GSL win. Only showed that Koreans stopped playing Starcraft. They really went downhill as Serral dominated Starcraft.

@CHR1SZ7 Год назад

@@AB_n_C Neeb was just not consistent, he’d often have those fairly deep tournament runs and show great play but then have a bad day and make relatively basic mistakes

@XmarkedSpot Год назад

5:45 lol there he is, my boy TLO :D He's probably the most influential one in making me fall in love with SC2

@DunlopBatawi Год назад

I was there, sitting in the audience. When NaNiWa left his booth me and my friend we started running towards back of a stage to catch him and ask few questions on what happend, why he left etc. When we saw him, he had tears in his eyes and was very moved. When we started talking to him, his girlfriend (I think) only said to us "interview later". We have waited but he never showed up again. I hope he was able to process what have happened and moved on. I wish him all the best. Nice video BTW. Looking forward to see your channel grow :)

@DanielWillen Год назад

Maybe guy felt genuinely frustrated about the situation and the fact that nobody could understand his point of view

@SiljCBcnr Год назад

lol what a loser

@xentriic Год назад

Doubt it,Google Naniwa and tigerlily for an "interesting" read.

@olegoleg258 Месяц назад

@@DanielWillenthat, or he's a sore loser I say this as a sore loser myself, which is why I only watch, not play, games like StarCraft 2

@wENDERw87 Год назад

Most of the pros I had the pleasure of working with were genuinely nice people, and even when they were tense or stressed at these events they were still regular people. Naniwa on the other hand was consistently late, rude to staff, and demanded ridiculous stuff. I remember one time he refused to go on stage until someone went to his hotel room and got him a pillow to sit on. Just a real dismissive asshole to people working around him. I don't know, I hope in life he's grown up and matured.

@mferraz2050 2 года назад

Just want to point out that I myself was forced to manage a PR nightmare after his probe rush against Nestea, but together and with his help and genuine growth as a person and a player, we took all the steps and made all the statements in a highly professional manner, resulting in Mr. Che of GOM TV/GSL eventually returning Johan his RO8 Code S seed. He was without doubt a difficult person to manage, but I think I learned as much from him as anyone during that time. His brilliance and drive for victory, was the clearest expression of his truth, and I both respected and admired his sheer will and determination. Both he and SaSe were truly outstanding players and people, and I still keep in touch with them both on occasion, even 10+ years later.

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

Just curious: how is it going now for NaNi? I heard he became a father and also enrolled in a university, is that true?

@pizza___cat 2 года назад

Naniwa the narcissistic racist homophobe who told a Ukrainian guy he hoped he would die in the Russian invasion? That Naniwa? Interesting...

@rabbitcreative 2 года назад

> He was without doubt a difficult person to manage... Humans are not cattle, as much as certain control-freaks wants us to be.

@Hephera 2 года назад

@@EsportsStoryteller he recently got banned from twitch for saying slurs so it doesnt seem like hes grown up much

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

@@Hephera Yeah, there was also a twitter conflict with HellRaiser where NaNiWa wished a bomb to be dropped on his house (HellRaiser is from Ukraine). So I guess he's still quite toxic

@januszkurahenowski2860 Год назад

If it was any other player telling about the soundproofing thing it probably would have been different, but it was a "The boy who cried wolf" situation. Nobody is going to take you as seriously if you constantly use excuses, and you saying only after you lost combined with his record didn't make it that believable.

@januszkurahenowski2860 Год назад

@md.hasibulhasan925 The moment he has heard cheers or had other way of confirming it was not sound proof he should have notified the staff, not after losing. If you know that there is something wrong but only report it after you've lost then it's your fault. Also notifying everyone of this problem by flaming the other player in the chat is not the right way. Also I don't know if it wasn't actually soundproof or if that was just an excuse. If it was really a problem the production team is to blame but you're obligated to notify them when you learn of that fact, not after you've lost to a normal scout. With his behavior it just seemed like an excuse, are you surprised he wasn't taken very seriously? This part was his fault only

@TheodorGermanov Год назад

Naniwa was in a way of retiring at the time or as he called it taking a rest from the game and was out of practice. Also so it happens that i was watching a lot of Polt streams at the time and he was scouting literaly every game the same way since he is very metodical player, but naniwa didnt take the time to research his opponent and didnt knew about that one. So this video is just kinda twisted. Im convinced that polt just did his regular scouting as he was doing literaly every game on the ladder and tournaments at the time.

@luxon4 Год назад

regardless of what you think about him, he was 100% in the right for iem 2014. everyone including polt admitted soundproofing was an issue and losing a match because of venue flaws is unacceptable and unprofessional. he gg-ed and forfeited in protest but was very mannered about it.

@GhostStyle007 Год назад

you can literally say whatever you want, but him getting ouf of that tournament was 100% legit, since his own opponent proved him right about the sound proofing being horrible this day. He didn't immediatly left , he 1st asked to cancel that game and restart the series + asking the crowd to be silent. I would have reacted the same, since if i can hear the crowd, logically my opponent can hear it too. There are also player perspective videos that showed him completly switching face as soon as he heard the crowd being excited of that proxy, way before polt scouting.

@zxbc1 Год назад

@@GhostStyle007 If it's really such a game breaking issue, why wouldn't he get the support from all the other participants and jointly boycotted the games? Ultimately you abide by the rules even if they are unfair, because that's respecting the other players, who also share the same rules. The fact that he went out alone in such an arrogant manner is on him.

@GhostStyle007 Год назад

@@zxbc1 he asked the support the support and they negociated for around 20 minutes, and the game was scored, he then left the scene. And what you say is completly wrong he didnt get boycoted by everyone , half of the players backed him up concerning the isolation problem even polt did. They even had to reconsider this issue for the next tournaments. The reason why he didnt get much of a support is his history , he is well known for being an A**hole, but it wouldnt bias my judgment for this particular drama.

@worldermusic5214 Год назад

@@zxbc1 It is only respecful of the organization, and perhaps some spectators, but not the players. Eh it's not actively disrespectful either. But I would consider it an act of respect to the scene to boycott events that don't respect the culture of competition, it's far more insulting to the game than bad sportsmanship. I see it the same way as if everyone gets unfairly underpaid at a workplace, if you had the opportunity to go on strike or unionize, it wouldn't be the guy who decides to still show up to work saying "don't stir up trouble just respect the rules" who is being respectful of the other employees.

@syzygy9992 2 года назад

Just discovered you, hope you continue making these. They don't even need to have any 'clickbait controversy', it can just be a in depth look at some of the players journeys on the scene, glory days and inevitable fall offs. There have been so many interesting SC2 players in the last 30 years. Also note: I was hesitant to subscribe since your name implied you cover all e sports, but then saw they were all sc2 vids so i subbed. Hope this input helps.

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

I actually plan to cover at least 3 esports, but since I have an SC2 background, I'll make sure to post 3-4 videos related only to StarCraft 2 each week. Maybe 1-2 for Dota 2 / CS:GO and the last day is a day-off or something that I personally want to talk about :D

@justincronkright5025 Год назад

That was a really good/nice comment. Enjoyed it... and pretty much completely agree. Except for the 30 (20 too many) years of SCII. :)

@caelestigladii Год назад

To be fair, naniwa saying that his victory is the only thing motivating him, not the fans or anything else, is probably the bravest and most honest answer out there. And the statement holds true for most athletes (family aside). He's still an ass though.

@hellothere9298 Год назад

It's every pro players goal, they play the game to be the best, not for every thing else. Now they do say thx to the viewers and support but we all know deep down it's only for themselves, to be the number 1

@TheVanillatech Год назад

Someone did a poll of Olympic athletes. They asked them, if they could be given a pill that would never be detected but would 100% win them a gold medal at the next Olympics - the catch being they would only live for 8 more years after taking the pill - over 70% of them said they would do it. For some, glory and recognition trump everything else. Their skill and workrate comes from nothing but ego, rather than competition and fun.

@mikegamerguy4776 Год назад

Yeah, some shit you just dont say out loud. There are a lot of celebs in different markets that really do value their fans, but the ones that don't are still smart enough to pay lip service to the fans. Without fans you better be the best by a large margin, and he was not.

@mikegamerguy4776 Год назад

@@TheVanillatech Right. At the highest levels of any sport you have to have the ego and unrelenting drive it takes to sacrifice everything but your goal. They want to be the best, and it's not for anyone but them. That's why you will see the "good guys/gals" hang it up early for their family or something. For those kinds of people, they must have a change of heart or a plan to get in, get their goal, and get out. If I was the highest skilled athlete in the world, but the only sport I could play was American Football, and I'd make obscene amounts of money per year on a contract. I would get rich and get the fuck out. BC playing in the NFL is guaranteed brain damage that accumulates over time. It would be a matter of how much of me do I want to let die to guarantee financial security for my family. And the answer is "as little as possible".

@pieroog 2 года назад

11:23 - I remember watching this game live, in Katowice. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED was silly beyond belief... SC2 and LOL were sharing the same huge stage, and LOL players just scored "first blood" and half of the venue went absolutely bonkers to this degree that I remember floor vibrating. So the super-hype from LOL might have given Polt a hint since the 1st blood timing had been just a few seconds earlier vs the moment you're showing at 11:23. It wasn't like Ace vs Moon during IEM Cologne.

@kendallmann6131 Год назад

dude I remember how crazy it would get. I competed in the 2008 orlando event for halo, and I had trouble hearing my teammates through full volume and screaming because the SC2 fans were so loud and crazy. Like you said I could feel the vibrations from a whole venue away.

@robertsehlstedt5865 Год назад

@@kendallmann6131 sc2 in 2008 huh?

@zalard6896 Год назад

@@kendallmann6131 lol sc2 in 2008? your clearly lieing as sc2 didnt exist

@Norrieification Год назад

I don't like Naniwa, but I wish you had mentioned him beating MVP and Nestea at that MLG side tournament, that was a cool moment where he earned a bit of my respect.

@quinton1630 Год назад

8:00 This is what I also don’t like about specific SC casters. The “Everything is hype” mindset and “Narrate whatever is currently happening”. To contrast this, you know Artosis would be saying “What is he doing? Is he running 6 probes across the map? When has this ever worked, Tasteless?” and Tasteless would respond “I don’t know Artosis, but Naniwa is the kind of player who could make it work!”

@kennethweber2193 Год назад

Naniwa is not retired, he created a pretty good build last year! I rooted for him a lot throughout the years, but a level of humbleness earlier in his career might have done some good. That being said, thank you for the excitement you brought me upsetting S tier Koreans in WoL/HoTS esports eras

@Lingboysc2 Год назад

this guy hasn't gotten much better. recently he said (on a barcode) that he wished the war in Ukraine had killed hellraiser when hellraiser beat him in a game. disgusting act.

@pavel9652 Год назад

Lame move in my book.

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

@MrFunnyXD Год назад

7:19 Legends say he is still holding his hand up waiting for that handshake

@lazaraza Год назад

Nice take on one of the biggest jerks in SC2. Arguably, the soundproofing was an issue, what you can't argue though is that he was very salty and toxic player. So when he left that game in Katowice, he cemented the image he build for himself.

@Bowserfuzzi Год назад

His behaviour was a serious pain in the ass. Worst manners around.

@gwardol Год назад

I was there, Polt's SCV didn't change the scouting route, so NaNiwa blaming discovery of his proxy on soundproofing is just BS. We counted on him, as he was the only foreigner on that IEM and him leaving the booth after first game deserved all the booing.

@Dubanx Год назад

Huh? Watch the replay at 13:00. The caster screams "HE'S PROXYING" within the first minute of the game. You can see Naniwa is visibly annoyed immediately after the caster said that. This was well before his opponent sent his scouting SCV out.

@colts8146 2 года назад

There was definitely a lot more instances of Naniwa being a piece of shit like him telling Hellraiser (a Ukrainian) that he hoped he died during the invasion of Ukraine during a ladder game. Also I laughed at the "some Finnish guy."

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

That's horrible :(

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

@Xenogroth here it ts twitter.com/hellraisersc2/status/1532471442608119816?s=20&t=7MorirdLNEqZxmUcm8cZhQ

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

@Xenogroth Well yeah, you can check it on sc2revealed, but it's something he would say. I didn't include in the video since there's no 100% proof

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

@Xenogroth Yeah well, I post only public stuff or something that is allowed for me by the person :D

@OldSpaghettifactory89 2 года назад

how tf did naniwa mock someone about the invasion of ukraine 10+ years before it happened? #makessense

@RRrico0625 3 месяца назад

I loved that era when Naniwa and Scarlett were our only hope.

@SaltpeterTaffy Год назад

Man, IdrA. He's still my favorite personality in professional SC2. He was the Phil Hellmuth of esports. "No wonder you people play this way. It's so much easier than being good."

@cho4d Год назад

"the Phil Hellmuth of esports" lmaooooo so accurate.

@JohnnyWad309 Год назад

@@cho4d That wasn't intended as a compliment was it? That dude is one of the saltiest whiners I've ever seen in competition. He talks so much weak shit and is a flabby fat turd then cries when he loses or gets shit talked. He's pathetic.

@walden6272 Год назад

@@cho4d Not really. Phil won the most titles. Indra can't.

@Romanthony2007 Год назад

I know this is off topic but One thing I love about South Korea being huge with sc2 is a story I read about the world cup how the south Korea footballers, actually had the top South Korea starcraft 2 team come in to "Cheer them up" because in SK at the time they was the Heroes of a generation to me thats wild

@sillytechnology 5 месяцев назад

I still use his binds to this day.

@Xpass2008X Год назад

Naniwa was also tweeting things before the event such as "Played LoL in the past month, didn't touch SC2". He was already sure to lose in his head.

@pocarisweet8336 Год назад

Very unfortunate. It shows how big attitude affects whatever your goal is. In his defense he was still young. Hope he was able to work on it tho.

@SirKilla04 2 года назад

That intro sound made me think my sc2 had started in the background XD

@axesata 2 года назад

One thing that wasn't mentioned was NaNiWa's work ethic. He was one of the few non Koreans who trained over 8-10 hours per day in order to get to the level he was.

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

True, he was really diligent

@FlamencoDeniz 2 года назад

working a lot is not an achievement. if anything it means you're not efficient in what you do

@axesata 2 года назад

@@FlamencoDeniz well that's just blatantly wrong. Because there is a pretty big correlation between the fact he put in the amount of time he did and the fact he was the only non korean at the WCS Global finals. Mind you the other Koreans played just as much if not more. I'm not sure what your SC2 experience is, but this isn't the type of game you play for 2-3 hours per day and end up at the biggest event for the year.

@FlamencoDeniz 2 года назад

@@axesata I don't know whether the Koreans played more hours or less. I think you don't know either. And I also didn't make any assumption on sc2. What am I supposed to do with your response when none of the points tangent the original statement?

@axesata 2 года назад

@@FlamencoDeniz I know how many hours the Koreans played because they gave interviews. Also your initial statement didn't make any sense especially in relation to SC2 WHICH THIS VIDEO IS ABOUT. In order to perfect your play in this game you have to put in hours upon so that you can perfect timings and builds. You aren't being inefficient by playing 8+ hours, everyone you are competing with at that level does that. I see you play guitar, do you think people like Santana or Hendrix got to the level they did by playing guitar 2 hours per day? They put in the amount of hours into their craft, SC2 players put in theirs. Do you think an orchestral musician practices for an hour a day and says "meh that's good enough, more than that is not efficient"

@lolno4854 Год назад

Nice video. As for Naniwa, he was a nightmare toxic person to deal with back in the WC3 days. Actually one of the worst top players in that regard, and that's saying something back then.

@olofjohansson3033 Год назад

Can vouch for this, from first person experience.

@bennagadowski8284 Год назад

Naniwa went by the name Skoth. Notorious for being a thief in the Swedish warcraft 3 scene at around 2005.

@bucketpizza5197 Год назад

I was wondering if this was warcraft3 player I saw on tv in a bar in thailand like 20 years ago seemed to be a random swede in asia having anime hair plaing warcraft 3.

@olofjohansson3033 Год назад

@@bucketpizza5197 That was probably Sase

@waterbloom1213 Год назад

@@bennagadowski8284 thief?

@aXDroptimus 3 месяца назад

Just found this channel, great work!

@EsportsStoryteller Месяц назад

Thanks!

@craigstangl9701 2 года назад

Please do the rise and dominance of Serral at some point!

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

I think I'll cover it a bit later - he's still the best foreign player and has a lot of attention anyways :)

@vacaconsapo 2 года назад

@@EsportsStoryteller Also the Year of Neeb, when he won the Kespa Cup on South KR and all events, i think was 2016.

@TheJerbol Год назад

@@vacaconsapo that shit was crazy

@jorrikatt416 Год назад

@@EsportsStoryteller You dont say "best foreign player" when he is the best player period.

@AB_n_C Год назад

@Tomas recart it was GSL EDIT: Google saids Kespa. I thought it was GSL code S.

@DerekGriffey Год назад

I remember watching most of these matches, such good times. I was a big fan of NaNiWa and always hoped he would overcome his attitude. Same with Idra. I remember when Jinro went deep into the GSL and would wake up at 3 or 4 in the morning to watch the matches live on GomTV in 360p haha. If you haven’t done a video on Jinro that’d be awesome, he got into MMA after SC2 I believe.

@calebstearns5571 Год назад

Another good example of someone ruining their career was Life, the guy was an absolute legend in matches. If he wasn't matchfixing could only imagine how far he would of went. Would of loved seeing serral vs life for zerg dominance.

@Abornarazine Год назад

Real life example of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf."

@marjiman_rts Год назад

Man i must say your content is pure nostalgia.

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

Yeah that's a lot of it on the channel! :)

@marjiman_rts Год назад

@@EsportsStoryteller do some warcraft 3 too. or is it just sc2?

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

@@marjiman_rts I'll add age of empires, wc3 and sc1 broodwar next week for regular schedule

@avitiasensei 2 года назад

Nice vid! Very interesting. Looking forward for more content

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

Thanks! The next will be about Idra

@Tellin08 Год назад

great video. I miss watching Starcraft 2 back in 2010. There won't be anything like it ever again.

@ScientistNoRyu Год назад

Great video, sc2 is how i discovered Justintv/Twitch , back in the day for years i would watch all sc2 tournaments and play the game a lot I still remember back in like 2012 or so losing to a 9-10 year old Reynor the Italian pro in a Esl for fun tournament , he was Diamond and i was Platinum league Then winning against his dad, a few years later losing to his little brother that was in Master league I haven't watched or played sc2 since like 2017 , but it's good to see that Reynor became one of the best in the world

@Siptom369 Год назад

You allways see certain player rise to fame and then disappear as quickly as they became relevant

@MediocreAverage Год назад

Sounds like "the boy who cried wolf". Something for the rest of us to learn from! Don't blame everything else for your own performance because when it finally is an external reason no-one will believe you.

@nightflash5951 Год назад

I don't know the scene, but I had to relate to that "what are you suppose to say to that", that was the commentators fault for making a bad start to the conversation.

@FlyingTP Год назад

He wanted to be the bad boy so bad. I hate when people compare idra and naniwa together, since idra was truly THE bad boy in the scene and performed the role really well to the point no one was not really sure was it just a role or just him naturally, where as with naniwa it was brutally clear for majority that he was most likely just bullied kid in school who chose to try to be the bad boy. His physical maneuvers, stuttering and overall awkward presence gave it away. I've been a tournament official with both. Idra never was rude to tournament officials and when the cameras weren't there. He never did anything that makes staff life more difficult. Then we had naniwa, who blocked all other competitiors in bnet and forced the officials to organize the match-ups, whined about every single detail about the venue and after losing the last game broke the tournament computer by forcefully pulling all the cables out. I think it was one of the last tournaments in his career. Jackass throughout... I felt bad for the guy, since he clearly wasn't naturally douche, but he clearly just chose to be one.

@ozzycommander Год назад

I might of believed Naniwa.... if it had been anyone else then Captian Polt. Polt was the most clinical player of his era. you could not cheese that man he always had a scout.

@itsmejf4242 Год назад

i was there Gandalf ...10 Years a go in blizzcon 2013, Naniwa was the only NON-Asian contender... the night before the opening ceremony... in the Hilton Hotel Naniwa was Drunk As fuck at 3AM... Guess how many Korean players were awake and drunk?... spoiler NONE.

@Biskawow 2 года назад

No mention of that code s semifinal vs mvp? That was spectacular run. And didn't stephani win iem, what do you mean serial was the first to win a premier sc2 tournament?

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

Yeah, my bad, this was my first video on this channel so... Perhaps I'll need to do an extended version :)

@danteafkCamelotUnchained 6 месяцев назад

I loved the EU/NA/KR SC2 era. MLG, TakeTV, GSL, ESL Loved it

@Lasse3 9 месяцев назад

The "no handshake"

@danho3778 Год назад

Not even talking about the "hand shake" incident. This video doesn't show how disrespectful NaNiWa is.

@EsportsStoryteller Месяц назад

Yeah there were some other cases with his behaviour as well

@LordMephilis Год назад

Maybe he was right, maybe he was not. But I think walking out would have irreparablly damaged his career even if he did not have that reputation.

@marcelhannotte7624 Год назад

when I saw the title "how to ruin a career in esports" I honestly thought this would be a 10 second film that just says "get a real job and a girlfriend". That will crush anyone's esports dream with the terrible consequences of having a real life.

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

What's interesting, he got a GF later and a baby with her some time after. They eventually broke up and If I'm correct, he got the rights for the baby because the child was born in Sweden while his spouse was American and didn't have a Swedish citizenship. It was a big drama but now he's a happy father as fas as I know.

@RaterisimoCBA 2 года назад

Can you consider doing a video about SaSe ? He was also Swedish and I used to root for him back in WoL and Heart of the Swarm , I think he retired in 2013, the man with the stylish hat !

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

Yes, I think I'll do him one day, there's a lot of interesting stuff about him to cover

@pieroog 2 года назад

SaSe was such a big-brain player!

@brickan2 Год назад

NE king without APM. He did win by just his brains.

@aaronjohnson2215 Год назад

Like in regular sport, players need to be a good example for youngsters. If they are not, they should be removed. Crazy they allowed him for so long.

@the_sixxness Год назад

I play a lot of Mortal Kombat. I play Mortal Kombat at a pretty high level. It may be two separate genres but when I take an L in MK I don't blame the opponent or the game. I blame myself. Like the guy with the glasses said "He makes excuses." And when you do that you make enemies because when such a player wins it's because they are so good. But if they lose it was the game's imbalance or the opponent was cheating. Such a player will never say "I lost because I didn't play well and I need to improve." And because they are like that their behavior disrespects every opponent they play against.

@toffeelatte6042 Год назад

I wouldn't say NaNiWa ever ruined his career. He was a headache from the start, but he wasn't the only player that was, arguably Idra was far worse in terms of behaviour. Difference is that was a different time back then, if you had good results, you got away with it and the results just stopped coming, he fell off as the meta continued to evolved and it was really obvious his passion for the game wasn't there anymore.

@StreetPepe 2 года назад

I think it’s kind of funny that earlier in the video you can see a game being played by NaNiwa and Serral and the score being 1 - 0 to Serral, kind of predicting the future

@KoiKoy56 Год назад

NaNiWa was pretty competitive for sure, but he wasn't the best Swedish player domestically or foreignly. Sweden has a massive lineup back in those days, and plenty of the others were 1) better at the game, 2) showed better results in tournaments, and 3) were respected for not being complete pieces of shit. Even when NaNiWa was at his peak, nobody liked him, and nobody expected his success to continue. I don't think this tournament ruined NaNiWa's career. NaNiWa's career was never sustainable because he's a terrible person.

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

I think he was the best in SC2, but not in esports overall

@KoiKoy56 Год назад

@@EsportsStoryteller I hear that. He definitely was hyped, but I never thought he was the best Swedish SC2 player. I can see the argument for it, but I don't find myself on that side of the argument.

@patp3725 Год назад

Doesn't look like he has a "dark side", just an edgy dude with no manners, that ran away crying when he got his ass handed to him (saying he didn't even really want to win either...what's he, 12?). Never going to understand people getting a big head out of playing an esport.

@ExceedSC2 2 месяца назад

To add to this he abusive relationship with his partner Tigerlily that he had a child with (he was the abuser). Yes, the same Tigerlily that was Destiny's ex girlfriend.

@ronintje7647 Год назад

NaNiWa always shows up when Protos is OP and he quits when Protos no longer is OP. Like he said, he only cares about winning and thats less difficult when your race is OP at the time. There is a reason SC2 players always complain about balance issues, thats a great way to blame losing on something outside your realm of influence. Not much else to do when you don't have teammates to blame like you do in League🤣

@zdude0127 2 года назад

These are some awesome videos here! Are you going to include stories of players through Brood War as well?

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

Yeah, why not, I might do some later

@zdude0127 2 года назад

@@EsportsStoryteller That's gonna be awesome! I look forward to your future content!

@justincrowley8787 Год назад

I, for one, would love to see a runthrough of boxer's career

@jemandvondort1585 9 месяцев назад

I saw this back then on twitch and knew that this was usual scout. Naniwa was just mad his cheese did not work. That being said I like him and watched his streams often after he stopped being a Pro Player edit: autocorrect

@firestalker11 Год назад

I remember that single 3hp stalker game blowing my mind back then. Shame the story ends how it does for this guy.

@PelleKrorm Год назад

If I am not wrong he was also called "the dragon slayer" cause at the time was the only one able to defeat the koreans

@Doso777 Год назад

Typical Naniwa, his worst enemy was himself.

@Exbozz Год назад

3:26 LMAO them amphetamine pupils.

@candiceleonard4729 2 года назад

Thanks for the content! Please do Startale Life.

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

I'll do him this month

@TheVanillatech Год назад

@@EsportsStoryteller Saucy...

@MajinVegeto89 Год назад

Naniwa was one of the very few foreigner that could compete with TOP koreans. I have great memories watching his games.

@ac0rpbg Год назад

While the best korean players were still playing BW. And some of the BW pros switched to LoL. SC2 WoL was very badly balanced game. And the only time Naniwa was able to win some games was at international events in USA/Europe. Protoss was very strong cheese and that's what naniwa relied on. Zerg was quite weak and Terran was IMBA.

@MajinVegeto89 Год назад

@@ac0rpbg Not true. Naniwa was also successful in HOTS, actually more in HOTS than in WoL. And he wasn't any more cheesy than any other protoss. You make it sound as if what Naniwa did was easy, but he was basically the only foreigner (except for Stephano) who could challenge top koreans for a time. If it's only protoss being strong, why weren't other foreing protosses as successful as Naniwa? Also not all BW pros were that great at SC2. Many who switched from BW to SC2 weren't that great, because they are very different games and not everyone could adapt well. For instance Flash and JulyZerg were never that great at SC2, but others like TY and Stats were more successful.

@gratler Год назад

interesting story. i think if a player does such a thing (just quitting the a series bc of soundproofing problems) he is pretty burnt out anyway and he would quit one way or the other from the game soon possibly.

@kendallmann6131 Год назад

I disagree, if you aspire to have a pristine competitive environment and you are constantly denied it then that is the game burning you out. I don't think this is the same as him wanting to quit. Besides it wasn't like SC2 was hurting for money, they could have easily addressed the issuers because of the revenue being pulled in. The same could be said about any job, if you are understaffed and underequipped it makes the position unenjoyable or unsafe. You leave out of self preservation, not so much frustration.

@monkeytown1239 Год назад

crazy, i didnt know that he was so big in SC2. i basically only know him from WC3.

@newvagabond1375 2 года назад

Looking forward to this channels growth

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

Thanks!

@aleksandarfarkas8851 2 года назад

Same here, hope you make more cool videos like this!

@simon-pierrelussier2775 Год назад

NaNiwa returned to competitive play by 2020, but probably not as seriously as before either. 15:15 Neeb won the KeSPA Cup in 2016 and 3 WCS events in 2017. Serral was the first foreigner to win the WCS Global Finals, but other WCS events are Premier events as well.

@MilitantPacifista 2 года назад

I don't see a problem with ending an irrelevant game quickly. playing at a top level takes a ton of attention and effort. In chess for instance it's common for players to agree to a draw within a few moves when there's no advantage to playing the match... It's just the smart thing to do and safe resources for later.

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

It's somewhat true but It was done in such a careless manner. There are many ways to play a quick game in StarCraft 2 and win/lose, but it was just the same as he literally refused to play

@zeil2ify 2 года назад

thanks for sharing this totally irrelevant information

@svengalt9546 Год назад

That's what I thought at first but then remembered how these organizations make money: entertainment. There is likely a clause in the contract for these tournaments that you agree to play all the games scheduled so the orgs can get the most entertaining matches. Throwing a match hurts the value of the event and might break contract.

@MilitantPacifista Год назад

@@svengalt9546 Interesting point, essentially boils down to whether tournaments should be entertainment or comparisons of skill.

@svengalt9546 Год назад

@@MilitantPacifista I'm sure its a balance of those aspects, since they are dependent on each other. The orgs need funding to host and put up prize money so bringing in lots of viewership from entertainment and hype helps with that. Ensuring that the matches are fair and skill based prevents negative reactions like we saw, which in turn could hurt viewership and attendance from the players. I think the walk off from NaNiWa was a good example of that balance being flawed. So was the thrown probe rush match, since all the guests as well as the host put up money counting on that match being watchable.

@scottm.86 8 месяцев назад

Naniwa was an incredible player. Had he been an MMA fighter his attitude would have been outright dismissed. For some reason in the gaming community one must be completely humble and nice all the time, or they might as well not even contend. I think it stems from a sort of jealousy. All these nerds wish they could go pro, and they don't respect the talent of those that can succeed. Viewers act as though it's something pros been given and should therefore act incredibly humble at all times, rather than the reality that it's something they're gifted at and work extremely hard for. Naniwa was a legend of the game. His playstyle included everything. He could perform the most ridiculously ballsy and high risk cheese in one game and then the next play until the last resource on the map had been extracted. You never knew what you'd get from him, and that's why he will always be my favorite foreigner.

@minityper Год назад

His face resembles his character, or vice versa maybe.

@helloitismetomato Год назад

Honestly I really can't believe that there was a real soundproofing issue, serious enough to actually make it possible to figure out what your opponent is doing. They've been using these soundproof booths since the early 2000s and you also have your own in-game audio in your own earplugs. Maybe if you're inside the booth with no audio going into your ears and you listen very closely you could hear something from the outside but it can't possibly be enough for it to work while listening to the headphones.

@rumination2399 Год назад

It’s the bass that penetrates. Quite credible that you would get a faint sense of the crowd’s emotion given they’re only a few metres away.

@Fettomocken Год назад

When commentators point out someone cheesing/rushing, the crowd goes wild. Always. So if the player being attacked hears the crowd cheering early in a game, he knows that he has to scout and prepare his defenses.

@Dubanx Год назад

It's not that they heard the other player's game. He's saying his opponent heard the announcer scream "HE'S PROXYING!". Go watch the video at 13:00. He's visibly angry that the casters gave it away long before he had indication of what his opponent was doing..

@juansaldana7976 Год назад

My guy referring to the greatest of all time as "a Finnish guy named Serral", like bro you know who he is

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

Yeah I'm a big fan of him :D

@pickupmasterygame1991 Год назад

Interesting! Entertaining! God Bless you :)

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

Thank you!

@boyavatar2000 Год назад

Good story, well told. Good work.

@unterschichtblog Год назад

"He managed to switch 7 teams, which was probably a record..." Special / MaJor / Windy / Kitty / Britney calls that a Sunday.

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

Yeah xD

@nobom Год назад

7:18 back then the peak of esports was in hotel ballrooms with a few hundred sweaty nerds. Now its held in arena/stadiums with thousands of audience and broadcast on TV. How times have changed.

@vir042 Год назад

Thats not completely true, if we are speaking about US/EU sure.. But in South Korea they had HUGE matches already in 2005.. There was this one final on a beach.. with like 100 000 people (that number might be wrong.. but a lot..) was several very big events around then, but it for sure died down for a while after..

@nobom Год назад

@@vir042 oh yea that's right. Korea is on a whole another level than the rest of the world. They literally dominated every major eSports so hard, that the words Gosu and kek and gg became a popular meme word back then. It's so interesting because gamers in Korea gets mad pussy. Girls were literally going to eSports events to find boyfriends, that blew my mind. I remember Slayers Boxer, he was like the Korean hero, he was to Koreans what Jesse Owens was to the Black people. He was so successful he even married a famous model/movie actress. Even his own fucking dad was proud of him! As a gamer I was proud of him. I felt like gamers were finally getting some love after all the years of being labeled a nerd or geek 😂

@smaakjeks Год назад

2:59 *Music:* I THIRST FOR BLOOD! *Video:* im a shi boi

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

Hehe

@Bobbias Год назад

Oh man, you missed a golden opportunity to slip in one of those 2001 era videos of the pro players in the silly cosplay! They were hideous and so over the top in the best possible way.

@benjamindeh873 Год назад

Just a bad cheesy player ragequitting because his cheese didnt work.

@KP6569 Год назад

Can you make a Video about Puma? I thought that was one of the most random Time Where he just had a run with the 1/1/1 all ins. For a shor time nobody could stop it and afterwards he just dipped

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

Yeah I'll certainly make one

@dbpsychodelic Год назад

You are treating Broodwar and SC2 as the same thing. While Broodwar was a respected eSport, SC2 was more of a game pushed by corporate interests (mainly Blizzard and GOMTV and GSL tbh). Broodwar was considered Korea's biggest sport. SC2 never lived up to its predecesor's glory. Most Broodwar players returned to Broodwar when TO's realized SC2 was going nowhere.

@MrGeorgeFlorcus Год назад

Such a "boy who cried wolf" story; public opinion strongly against him because of his past misbehavior, they can't overlook the justifiable problem he was having. Whether the scout was legit or not, a lack of proper soundproofing at a live event is unacceptable. Probably the ONLY good thing about the remote tournaments of the last couple of years (besides people not dying of COVID of course).

@hakimESC Год назад

You just know he is a player from early 2000s by the look on his hair style 🙂

@juny9445 2 года назад

5:30.the guy in the background was really...into the game

@EsportsStoryteller 2 года назад

He's truly passionate about esports

@ML-rs7we Год назад

Players like Naniwa and Idra were EXTEMELY healthy for the professional sc2 scene. Nobody else noticed that as soon as players stopped talking shit, the scene started dying?

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

Agree, it was fun to watch

@silencia08 Год назад

if your sport is dependent on douche bags to make the scene interesting and keep viewers engaged, then your sport deserves to die.

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

@@silencia08 It's not dependent, but many people enjoy drama and controversial behavior

@GrackAlaciN Год назад

I think it's at least part of the reason. For me SC2 and most eSports became boring when it became just as professional as regular sport events. I found it more fun when SC2 had real characters both as players and casters, and when it kinda felt like a grassroots thing.

@ML-rs7we Год назад

@@GrackAlaciN if you post this on reddit they're gonna downvote the hell out of you

@WhiteWolf126 Год назад

This stuff didn't ruin his career at all. He could've kept playing if he wanted to, but he just kinda gave up on the game.

@theeraphatsunthornwit6266 Год назад

Oh i remember him and His name disappear i didnt know why

@xXG3TPWNEDXx Год назад

They call him NaniWa because he cries like baby, waaaa! waaaa!

@Clbull118 Год назад

Ahhh, Naniwa. The Kong in the North. Probably achieved more second place finishes than Yellow.

@INeedHerPomPomJuice Год назад

Liked the video, didn't like the bias for Naniwa. You had so much evidence of his awful behaviour, yet still find ways to defend him at the end.

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

Yeah well I just wanted to highlight some positives too, at least in his skill

@julianleischner3700 Год назад

As a viewer back then it was cool to see him and I got his autograph on my copy of Wings of Liberty at Gamescom in like 2013 or so but nowadays I can't say I'd support him again. When he switched teams like a hot potato it wasn't clear as a viewer what exactly went on behind the scenes but after I recently read what happened later with his girlfriend and child I feel like he's just a seriously messed up person as you can also tell by how other players talk about him in those old interviews.

@u1337ochka Год назад

what happened later with his girlfriend and child? i can't find the story on TL or reddit

@EsportsStoryteller Год назад

They divorced, as for the child, he kept the rights, as far as I remember, but can't confirm now

@OssianOtt Год назад

There is no way anybody can hear anything from the outside with a soundproof booth and those 30-35 dB ear protection. Probably around 50-60 dB reduction of outside noise and with the in-game sound also on there could be a jet plan starting outside that booth and you would not hear it.

@SunMiSongEve Год назад

It's generally more about just seeing the crowd than even hearing, and the vibration of the stage due to loud cheering/stomping and such. I spent plenty of time in booths setting up and we'd test the sound proofing and white noise by literally sitting in a booth with people screaming right outside of it, and wouldn't hear a thing. Ultimately, people don't understand that you can't block out everything. You'd have to build some completely suspended box with no window to avoid vibration and visual queues. That's A. not feasible due to cost and B. not feasible due to having basically a day to build the main stage after the rigging and everything is done the first day or two of load in. Players would also constantly complain about the white noise, which was a big part of the noise blocking. Can't really complain about that then complain that you can hear casters when they turn it down v0v