How the Bible Was Changed: Evidence for the Bible pt16 

I just got to comment again how awesome it is to have a church willing to handle this kind of thing

Mike, I found your channel a couple of months ago and now I listen daily. I fashion myself a budding apologist and my faith and resolve to defend the Gospel have been bolstered by your ministry. Thank you so much, Brother!

I just learned about this from a non christian and honestly I was heart broken. Jesus is my everything and the bible is all I have. Honestly this video brings so much context and comfort knowing what these changes are and how God preserved His Word ❤️.... Thank you Jesus 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾❤️❤️❤️. Im keeping this video in my pocket to help others.

Honestly the more I look into these things im amazed at the accuracy of the bible

"Once you snake handle, you never go back" -- one of the many reasons I love to listen to your sermons.

Excellent teaching! I'm thoroughly enjoying this series so far.

Thank you so much for posting this video. I grew up KJVO but I've come to the conclusion that if I believe the claims made by KJVO proponents that all other translations are corrupted with ill intent I would have to pridefully disregard people who teach from or accept translations such as NIV. Your video has helped me understand what the differences really are.

I was lost for 30 years. Wasn’t raised in the church. Just lost and following my heart. My heart lead me to the ugly destruction of my own life and the lives of others. I’m so grateful that The Lord saved me, even after so long. I’m thankful He gave me His Word, and I’m thankful He gave me brothers and sisters and pastors like Mike who helped me to understand things I struggled with. Thank you for what you submit to The Lord doing through you, Brother. He gets the glory. You have my thanks.

Pastor Mike you are the best, my faith has grown stronger in Christ since listening to your chanel, you are a great blessing 🙏

for those disheartened by the probability their favorite verse is a later addition remember this verse wasn't. John 21:25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

It’s beautiful to see how God preserved His Word while using men to write it. Beautiful!

Just wanted to say THANK YOU! This is something I have had discussions with non believers about and I have severely lacked understanding in this area. I am so grateful to have this broken down and to help put to rest doubts that i have also had. God bless you, your family and ministry Mike!

Every Christian needs this talk. Thank you.

"You have to wait for your heart, to catch up with your head" I have absolutely found that to be true. These days, I have to keep my head from despising the added text! (Calm thyself, beating heart.) EXCELLENT SERIES !! Nice "parable" with the 1000 Truck Tires ~ (My condolences to the Snake Handlers here in Texas)

Pastor Winger your channel is exactly the type of thoughtful and honest Bible exploration and explanation I've been seeking for years! Where is your church?

Thank you, Mike! I appreciate you taking the time to create and share this series!!

I love that, i was learning so much, but laughing as well!😂😂esp the Snake handling and great commission part🤣🤣I thoroughly enjoyed this.

Your love for people amazes me pastor Mike, thank you for taking time to do a research and bring up this great information out🙏

Superb. Thank you for explaining these details! I appreciate your sharp thinking and also care for believers

This has been such a blessing!!!!!

I'm glad I found this video. It enlightens my understanding concerning my views of versions. However, I will continue to use my KJV. I just like the way it reads.

Thank you sooo much!!!!! You really are helping us see and remember his promise that the WORD HAS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE LOST!!!🙏💛

Thanks pastor Mike you addressing important issues and you are right we need to hear it first from honest people who care about us like you, its enlightning and enchoring my faith in God more . Im looking forward to the different translations discussion, interesting. Thank you keep the great work up my pastor

Pastor Winger, I am so grateful for you sharing your WEALTH of knowledge! It has helped me recently with determining 'the right' translation (surprise, there is none lol). I follow your channel and learn so much, but it inspires me to dig deeper into the scripture as well! Thank you for your hard work and study. It has been an interesting study for me learning the history of the Textus Receptus and the New Greek Testament (Novus Testament Greace), as well as the differences and basis for them.

This video was fantastic Mike and this topic is so important for believers and skeptics to understand. Thank you for doing all of the research and studying, your effort and passion is much appreciated!!!

This is an excellent condensed teaching. Thank you

Thank you for explaining this in simple terms. Have a nice day.

Yes Mr Winger, I totally agree with you that we Christians ought to know more than what is in the Bible - its history, its source, the innumerable manuscripts to substantiate etc. Thank you so much for making the effort to enlighten us Christians. May God bless you richly in your service for Him.

This preacher seems quite solid to me. I hope he stays the course.

Excellent presentation! I pray and hope for this truth may make impact on younger generation who are being brainwashed by sceptics so that they may see the truth you knew and explained exceptionally well. May God redeem our time and the generation, may His kingdom come. God bless you brother. You have nicely defended the truth and protected the believers from being sidetracked or being caught by surprise.

Great video as usual, Mike :) I'd like to add the interpolation of the angels stirring the water was after an original verse which says the waters stirred or moved. So it's likely a tradition that began and was carried on to explain why the waters moved seemingly in a supernatural way.

I’m a huge Bible translation nerd and I loved this video! Thank you!

This has changed my life! Thank you ❤️

I just want to say thank you so very much for this information. I wrote EVERYTHING down. You have helped me so much with this information. I greatly appreciate all your hard work. May the Lord continue to bless you and your family.

Thanks again for a thorough presentation.

Oh man! That last part when he says "actually mom did you know..." I've done that several times thanks to you! And thanks to God who gave you the knowledge!

I absolutely love your teaching. Thank you for this lesson. Very well done.

This is not intended as an attack on you and I have no ill will toward you. 1st John 5:7 is quoted in many places other than manuscripts( and it is in old non-Greek manuscripts) starting for certain in the 4th century and perhaps as early as the year 200. Cyprian of Carthage, Athanasius, Priscillian (in the Liber Apologeticus), and Jerome quoted it before the year 400AD and it is found in Apostolos the Greek lectionary from the 5th century. It was also quoted at the council of Carthage in 485AD by Eugenius. This type of thing is true of both of the other "big three" My last comment is that we didn't find evidence these supposedly didn't belong until the last 100-200 years which would mean God allowed His word to be changed for 1800ish years before *we* corrected the mistake. Your channel has been a blessing to me and I thank you for all your hard work but in this I believe the scholars, and you by extension are wrong.

Mike does good work here. Not that he needs my approval, but this is something to be recommended .

Great study!!

it kills me that people scoff and ridicule the bible knowing it has so many copies and very few differences. yet some of the most cherished secular writings from the ancient past have some hardly at 50 copies, and people treat them as 100 percent genuine.

Superb Presentation of the reality of the Holy Bible, the Inspired Word of God. Thank you in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Thank you for the video series. As you said, Some manuscripts do not include 7:53-8:11; you eluded to but for those taking notes here is a little more specifics, others add the passage here or after 7:36 or after 21:25 or after Luke 21:38, with variations in the text

Mike, the three tires aren't even flat, they are just leaking air and can be replaced by the spare tires you ALREADY own! ❤ I wish my church would teach on these things, every time I attempt to bring apologetic content to my church I get the stink eye, it makes me wonder if I shouldn't move to a different church because I feel like apologetics is my gift and my gift is not benefiting the congregation I'm a part of because they don't seem open to utilizing it, which makes me sad. If you have any words of wisdom for me I'm all ears! Peace and love in Christ brother!

I have 4 different versions so I can cross reference just because of this. Old English still throws me off sometimes so it makes sense.

Great to hear a factual account against those that say there i a half a million variances. Thank you

Great job Mike. I watched this with my teenage son who thoroughly enjoyed your research and well organized presentation. I have looked into this issue years ago myself and remembered a piece of very significant evidence in support of both the Mark and John sections being inspired scripture. It is the work of Ivan Panin the Mathematician. He was an agnostic with no time for "the word of God". However, one day he looked at it with his Mathematical brain and was stunned to discover number patterns that were in the underlying Greek and Hebrew Canon (both Greek and Hebrew letters can be read as numbers as well). He found that scripture had the Seal of God on it, the number 7. He spent 50 years of his life after giving his Life to Christ examining this pattern in scripture and finding it everywhere. I highly recommend you google his name and look at his books. I think his evidence would have been a perfect addition to your series here. Without leaving you in suspense he found that both those sections of scripture (Mark and John) had the pattern of the surrounding chapters and had many features that were all divisible by 7. Anyone who has never heard of this should go look it up, you will be amazed. It makes sense that the Holy Spirit would leave an irrefutable mark on His work. (Chuck Missler had a few presentations that are still on RU-vid talking about the work of Panin).

This was very helpful thank you! There is a lot of urban myth style stuff that floats around on this kind of stuff without any dissertation as it were.

This really helps. Thanks

Thankyou Mike for all your work in the Lord. Im trying to find any video you have on differences between the Septuagint and the Masoretic text.

good and informative lecture

Such a great teaching

God bless and thank you

As to the variation at I John 5:7, there is very early evidence of its existence in the original Greek text given its apparent quotation by Cyprian in the early 200's A.D., where he writes, ""Again, it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 'And these three are one.'" (BTW, Excellent lecture!)

I love it! Thank you for this. I would like for you to have included Acts 8:37. This one, if genuine, testifys against infant baptism; so I would think it worthy of inclusion. That also might explain why so many manuscripts exclude it: so it would not be there to use to argue against that widely accepted practice.

Excellent!

Thank you brother. I know as an unbeliever I quoted some of this stuff, corruption of text etc After meeting our Saviour and reading His precious word I was blown away by the truth and Jesus is truth and He set me free. Of course after awhile I fell for the council of Nicea rubbish that's getting around and a dear friend has too, still is unfortunately. But after studying scripture and seeking God in prayer, (for once I knew the truth I didn't want to be deceived), for me it simply came down to faith in God. That His timeless Sovereignty and His power would never allow His scriptures or His beloved Sons name to ever be corrupted, it was easy to accept. I love learning more and more about Him and just how everything in the Bible, in history, everything is in His Wonderful hands. So exciting. For me to say "Well I just believe" is good enough for me but doesn't help me defend the faith adequately. So thank you very much for your time and research it has blessed me 😁🌈🙌❤️

Thank you for the hard work you're doing to make every of your videos. My family and I live in Ukraine. When the argument with an unbeliever (who doesnt speak or understand English ) starts there is no source in russian/ukrainian books/channels i can find to refer to. I wish there was a chance for russian speaking side of the planet to think biblically with your help, Mike. Thank you again for your time and loyalty. God bless you!

Do you still have a job bro? Awesome im so glad there is a church willing to handle these issue! I know you are (or at least think i know) you are continuist of charismatic. It seems that Mark 16:17 is the clearest passage to provethe gifts should have continued. My opinion is that if the longer ending of Mark was added later it actually proves even more th e gifts should have continued.

RE: Mark 9:44, 46, 48. There is a school of thought that says Jesus did say it 3 times, and there was a reason for it, because of John 21:16-17, when Jesus asked Peter 3 times "Lovest thou me?"

Mike, will you be looking at the NAB translation also next week? I was reading the NAB while watching this video and the notes in the margin were saying the same things you were saying about the big three variations.

Thank you!

Liked this video

Absolutely, Mike...we as Christians, especially as Christians, never need to fear the truth!

One of the ways extra words and phrases were added was due to the scribes adding side notes in the margins of the manuscripts for clarity's sake. Then, later on, newer scribes thought they were actually part of the text and added them in.

Thanks you so much 😇😇

"I wish skeptics would be more skeptical of their skepticism"

I really came to love the nasb

amazing

Pastor Mike... I LOVE your channel and your deep dives. I'm going to watch every video! However, I think you may have gotten the history of the Pericope Adulterae wrong. You said it's not mentioned until the 10th century and doesn't show up in the Bible until the 14th. The sources I'm seeing say it's MUCH earlier. Vaticanus doesn't have it but the Latin Vulgate produced by Jerome (300s) does. It's mentioned by Didymus in the 300s, and Eusebius (300s) says that Papias (110 AD) mentioned it. Was that a mistake to say it arrived after the 10th century? This would lend much more credence to your (and Metzger's) assertion that it is historical and is an oral tradition that survived and was added to John. Thanks for all you do!

This man is an absolute messenger of God. I don't want to praise the man, but the message is PHENOMENAL. Thank you SO MUCH for taking the stand & creating the ministry you're doing Mike. I can't begin to explain the to you how much your ministry has completely changed my life. I had SO many questions, but the first time I watched this series (currently watching the 4th time through) along with the "Jesus in the Old Testament" series it was like reaching the end of the movie Sixth Sense - EVERYTHING started connecting like fireworks, like lightning, like power lines that get a little too close in the storm... I've read the Bible all my life, but EVERYTHING I previously questioned or doubted has connected and it's just BOOM!! *MIC DROP* THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR MINISTRY!!!

The one I have been concerned about is the one about the lion and lamb changed to lion and wolf. The whole verse is different. That’s the one that got me down the rabbit hole.

Romans 8:1 doesn’t give me the hope that it gives others. I can’t get past the 2nd part of verse one about those who don’t walk according to the flesh but the spirit. My Christian walk is so hard. I may not lust after women/look at things I aught not/but I have anger in me. I’ve been praying about it for a while. Yesterday was really bad. I’m just gonna get up, dust myself off and go and follow Christ again.

John 7:53-8:11 is also the passage often used by self-justifying people to prevent Christians from accusing them of sinning. They say, "well, Jesus said 'I don't condemn you...' " without finishing the sentence "...go and sin no more." So they can't have it both ways.

Re: 53:20 -- What about the doctrine of inerrancy? How would you maintain inerrancy if you were to adopt, say, the reading of Sinaiticus in Matthew 13:35?

Favorite tie ever🥰

19:40 it’s not added it was taken out.

Thank you thank you thank you.i just want to add..as a born again believer we have supernatural help..the holy spirit..we can also search multiple translations in seconds with are phone..any problems in our carnal mind ..I believe it we seek..we are required to seek..sad that we have more access to his word than ever but we read it less..what good is the best bible if we only pick it up on Sunday morning..thanks again...please come up with a short video. .to help us share it in Sunday school..preach bro you are doing great

Thanks for all the soft soaping.

Hi, Mike I recently found your channel. And must that your teaching is great. Love the in-depth way you tackle scripture. One question though on the Alexandrian text. (The earlier text) I have heard the argument that the text was greated by the Gnostics who did not believe in the Deity of Christ. Hence the difference with the received text (KJV) Also the new NKJV is taken from the earlier text. Can you please provide your thoughts? Yours in Christ.

Great series of talks but here you're not arguing about how God preserved His Word but about the v ltd & poor manuscript basis for the KJV. We now have a v clear understanding of what the autographs said and the modern translations reflect this. It is a sign of God's grace and supernatural provision that everything needful for salvation was preserved, even in such a poorly translated version as the KJV.

Hey mike! What are your thoughts on the book of Enoch. Do you have a video on it? I know it didn’t make canon but I’ve heard some buzz about it!

PLEASE READ!!!! 1 john 5:7 along with other passages that only appear once in the bible ARE quoted and referenced by the ante-nicene fathers which pre date manuscripts used by new translations. 1 john 5:7 Quoted by priscillikian (liber apologeticus) Referenced by Cyprian ( treatise 1, unity of church sec.6) Terrulian ( adversus praxes c.xxv) St. Jerome ( prologue to the canonical epistles) Also Priscillikian says its in johns writing not just repeating the phrase. If i am wrong please explain but this is important.

22:12 again it wasn’t added it was removed.

Regarding 55:05 -- Well, let's consider the position that Mark 16:9-20 is not part of the original text. Mark 16:9-20 is supported by over 99.5% of the extant Greek manuscripts of Mark; of all undamaged continuous-text Greek manuscripts of Mark 16, the text stops at the end of verse 8 in exactly two of them. That's it. So if one contends that 2 manuscripts out of 1,640 are right, and 1,638 are wrong, is it really that different to say that 1,640 out of 1,640 are wrong? Fee taught that I Cor. 14:34-35 is not original. NA28 teaches that no extant Greek reading in Second Peter 3:10 is original. They seem to be granting the skeptic's argument, at least in part.

Noooo I love the go and sin no more passage! One of my favorites. This definitely hurt my feels

I believe that God allows for what's in the Bible to keep being promulgated through time, and what He wants to be removed to fall away and be forgot.

I like how Mike performs a miracle at 48:50

Wow...between your series on supposed Bible contradictions and "the Bothers Karamazov" by Fyodor Dostoyevsky audiobook my RU-vid hours are probably through the roof.

Thank you for this. I'd rather know the truth than remain ignorant. You didn't shy away from the major issues, and did your research. Only thing I would maybe have elaborated on would be the potential sources of the adulterous woman story came from. Josephus? Philo?

Hey Mike, have you ever read the work of Ivan Panin? He discovered the numeric structure that is built into the text of both the New Testament as well as the Old Testament. Through looking at this numeric structure, it is possible to verify what the original text was of Scripture. I suggest reading The Last Twelve Verses of Mark by Ivan Panin!

Wow!

I was thinking ah dang I love the passage with the adulterous woman.. then when you said it was probably still historical I was so happy 😅💕 not to hold on to something that probably doesn’t belong in scripture but I am glad it probably happened! ❤️

Oh man, first time hearing about the woman caught in adultery. I always wondered what Jesus was writing. Happy to learn there are only 3 things skeptics can bring up for discussion.

Regarding 52:55 - If only that were true. However, have you really considered the doctrinal tint of the readings in, say, Codex Bobbiensis and the Sinaitic Syriac?

Re: Kermit the Frog being elected president: With the choices of real people available, it is theoretically possible there could be a mass of people so fed up that they'd run a campaign for a write-in vote for Kermie.

The flat tyre analogy at the end of the lecture is a giveaway (56 minutes) ; the tyre manufacturer promised all would be well; if three tyres found flat, that absolutely causes one to question the sufficiency of all other tyres, and the one who promised all would be fine. This scholastic approach in this video is deadly, and overthrows faith.

I'm only 13 minutes in and if everything that Mike Winger is saying is true, well then, it's absolutely mind blowing that the bible was preserved this well. I honestly don't care so much how well the old testament was reserved sense everything I need to know as a Christian is in the New Testament. But I'd still like to see what changes occurred in the OT.

1 John 5:7,8 has to be the biggest issue for KJV readers and for the sake of textual integrity. But, IHMO, the bigger issue is that the KJV translators didn't even provide a marginal note pointing out the questionable text; i.e., the Comma Johanneum. Erasmus commented about the Comma in his 3rd Greek edition's annotations, Stephanus commented about the Comma's lack of Greek witness in three of Greek mss he collated; Tyndale, Coverdale, Matthews, and the Great Bible marked v7 in parentheses. The KJV translators had access to all the aforementioned sources yet didn't leave any marginal comment like they did in Luke 17:36; i.e., "this verse is wanting in most of the Greek copies"

Wondering if you could look at Daniel 2 verse 43. When I heard the kjv I almost thought the pastor had made up the mingling with the seed of man. I'd never heard that before and it seemed kind of important a change. I'd never really noticed a difference like that in the different versions