How the Biggest PVP Faction Lost | Space Engineers 

I guess if you wanted an in lore explanation for the CDF defeat, you could say that while they could replace lost ships, the human casualty count was simply too high. Maybe all those players who quit irl because it wasn't fun could be explained in lore as either dying or deserting to escape the CDF meat grinder.

“How the rebellion won against the galactic empire despite the empire having a numerical advantage effectively until the end”. Man, I thought the rebellion winning was plot bs, but damn, it can actually happen like that.

Naming a cruiser Warspite is basically a cheat code. It's not going to die until it hits the scrapyard.

I don't know if this was intended but this plot is EXACTLY like Battletech lol. The Innersphere (CDF and RR) fighting until the Clans (KE) come in and reek havoc. Even in Battletech the clans are a highly militaristic group of exiles with delusions of destined expansion. The clans nearly win because the innersphere never worked together until a third faction, Comstar (EFN) came and bail them out at the battle of Tukayyid.

Honestly another big factor why KE won the way it did was that it was made of people who saw season 1 and wanted to be a part of Season 2, this means you ended up with a surprising number of really experienced players, and especially builders. KE ships were really maneuverable for their tonnage and while lacking in armor were able to dodge a lot of hits that COA vessels had to just tank

CDF you will be missed. All of you fought so hard and did so great love all the designs you all did for each ship as well. Let's stay strong for the rider faction and KE faction.

I did my very best to turn the leadership around, and start for Attrition, but sadly i couldnt move nor motivate them to. May the CDF rest well, the faction that produce my charachter. Atleast visible.

I think you nailed the analysis of their collapse. Morale broke. Yeah it's a game but if the players do not want to play after a kind of un-fun session they will not fight as hard to win the battle. Just how it rolls. They sure gave it their all though. Their navy was very impressive

I love how the Eternity is basically a UNSC Halcyon Light Cruiser

The human cost of a war shouldnt be understated. Material can be replaced but people that die stay down. People staying down in this comparison would be people stopping because they werent having fun. Ut sounds like they failed to communicate properly so simply couldnt put up a coordinated fight. It worked for them in the 1st season because they dident have to communicate with people outside of their group. But when they did have to do that it dident work out. Ontop of that they had the bad luck of having their first joint battle be a catastrophe. The alliance was over before it started :/

when season 2 was around the corner, we went into this thinking it would be season 1, casual pvp witha decent amount of scripting, and a bit of back and forth.... how ever, after getting our asses handed to us constantly, and well.... constant defeats, moral tanked when we found out how the ke built their ships for more pvp focus, which made them even harder to kill, trying to retrofit ships earlier in the war while also making sure the factions didnt fall apart from moral.... it was not fun... our fleet admiral was on the verge of breaking a lot but stayed till the end, i tried we all tried, but once moral was out the window..... gl trying to fix what is broken, the constant losses, loosing one of the most well known ships in our navy... it was to much for the cdf high command to bare, we fought hard.... but i feel like we didnt fight hard enough and it cost us our lives, and our home. hopefully the riders can turn this war around.

An unhappy military alliance does more harm than good. Theoretically, even if both sides hate each other, 2+2 is still 4. But practically speaking, that is not how it turns out. In this kind of situation, 2+2 equals 3 if you are lucky, or as low as 1.5 if you are not. It does weird things to people's heads and expectations, in situations where people should perform and push until they die if needed, they get soft and pull back. 'We are in an alliance after all, its not like we are fighting alone', but there is nothing real to back up that preconceived notion and only regret in the aftermath. Its fascinating to see when this happens, but its a good lesson. If you are going to have allies, dedicate yourself to working together. Fleet lost day one? Damn bro that sucks, we can send some people over to help rebuild(assuming such was allowed). Frontline bogged down? Time to develop a plan to hit something in the enemies backfield. From my complete outsiders perspective, this sounds like the CDF and Riders never got over their misgivings about the other. In this kind of situation, becoming friends could be acceptable. Trade agreements, docksharing, ect. But no further than that. To quote a certain man from Battletech... "Wars are not won on the field of combat. Battles are, but those are only ever part of the story. To win a war you need to break the enemy's resolve, to force him to accept defeat. Otherwise the war will never end. Too many conflicts persist because battles are won but the hearts and minds of the people are not. Winning involves every level of society, from the generals and politicians to the shop girls and street cleaners. The infantryman with his rifle may be the blunt weapon used to win this fight, but he is neither the instigator nor the concluder." In reality, the war never ended between the Riders and the CDF. Both sides still felt misgivings. The CDF, that they could have done better and could still go further. The Riders, that they had the momentum and needed to just take a few more steps. This is made with only this video as my knowledge base for this whole thing, though. I could be wrong or missing critical information, but this whole thing was fun to write so, hey, why not?

I have never heard someone fit the phrase "Vibe check" into a mostly serious play-by-play of a battle and make it sound so natural.

I've only just found your channel in the past week and already I've watched the entirety of season 1 outlands and up to date with season 2. The whole series is so incredibly well done I honestly can't get enough of it! If had a PC I'd love to join in such an incredible series, but watching will have to suffice. I really hope you continue to get the support you truly deserve!!!! And it is such ashame as to what has happened with the CDF, but if anything, it makes things even more interesting. Now the tables truly do seem to favour the Kahn's Enclave and it will be exciting to see if the Riders and the EFN are able to overcome those odds.

Jesus Christ, the khan enclave are basically the mongol hordes when led by Ghengis khan. I’m still leaning toward joining the riders though.

Watching the footage it's amazing what you can do when piloting your ship. When I played this game years ago I could barely make a fridge with an engine, and here you have pilots evading entire streams of ammo and skirting around missle lines like they're nothing

I really like the evolution of your galaxy. The CDF faction completely falling and being absorbed brings a sense of realism as the same thing has happened countless times throughout history. I get it from the player's perspective, why play a game if it isn't fun? Totally understandable! But I do appreciate how they weren't just handwaved back into existence somewhere.

Damn had no idea about the communication breakdown, puts things into perspective for sure. Makes a lot of sense with the eternity-centric perspective, really adds an element of confusion to the steamrolling

How tf am I so invested in watching a lore video about a real life war taking place in space Minecraft. I've never played Space Engineers, I've seen at most 3 videos about it and the complexity of game plus the tactics blows me away.

I love how this is talked about like some sort of documentary, all this history! This is the kind of stuff I live for.

pretty good take on the senario. Its still an shame KE dominated so hard people were starting to lose hope and wanted to leave the series. We should have seen that coming earlier and try to change things around. Not my proudest moment in outlands but CDF fought valiently and put down there mark. They were always considered the biggest tread even though RR had a battleship. Early fights with CDF went to the brink of both factions capebilities. those battles are still the fondest memories I have of early S2 outlands. GG CDF

i have never played this game, but the fables of internet space battles always captivate me. well done

Really enjoyed this. I'm an old Eve Online guy. Played for like a decade. But with CCP's mishandling of the game in recent years, I've pretty much walked away at this point. Watching/listening to this reminded me a lot of some of the old 'great wars' in Eve, and definitely tickled a bit of the nostalgia button. Well done to everyone involved.

I appreciate the retelling, especially since I started watching at season 2 and so didn’t really know the history. What would be even better would be an analysis of why they fell…you mention moral loss, but is that really it? I feel like the desire to not offend people is sort of obscuring an open discussion of what really happened. from a viewers perspective, it’s not clear at all why the KE just crush all with no losses…are they better pilots, superior ship design, better tactics? That sort of analysis would be interesting.

The eternity looks a lot like the Pillar of Autum. I really hope that's intentional, it would be amazing.

Emergent gameplay like this is so fascinating.

how interesting. Its been a while since I saw any worthwhile SE content. Ill check your series out and definately consider subscribing!

i mean, i like how the eternity tanked everything like a proper halcyon class, as its model seems to be copied off of it, it bled but didnt die

thank you for documenting these historical events

Love the storylines that come out of games like that

ive never heard of this game but now i want to explore. Great video and synopsis!

Man i dont even have this game but this video was entertaining to watch. Strongly considering buying this game. Nice work!

This looks super sick, I haven't really dived into space engineers becuase I always felt there was such a large time commitment but If I had something like this... idk I may just hop in

As a fellow outsider on Mars in a Galactic warfare server, me and some buddies decided to make a scrap faction with one main scrap HQ and some main scrap motherships, this would help us survival and evolve faster than the most experienced players in the server, Our faction was just getting ready and still making the main headquarters up for business, luckily there was a war going on nearby at a factions base, before the apposing faction came back for their 5th raid, they asked us to take and scrap up their ships, in return we got Uranium and ice. With these new materials to our disposal we got requests back to back to scrap unwanted and un-usable ships, thanks to this we built up our fleet with the scrap and junk from the servers biggest and most hated faction, because for their tech in our ships every faction allied with us joined us and started producing our ships and sending them out. At first we raided their asteroid base and got their attention, with the small fleet already there we had them concentrating on our droned ships, Later that same hour our entire faction alliance got their and took them down and were still active enough to be able to fully raid and get them off the face of the server just because they couldn't compete with out technology and numbers.

I came in a little late and binged watched both seasons to get caught up it did look like a blast. I was shocked at the COA's decision to kick out the EFN. I wondered how much of that was scripted. Either way, it seems like their aggressive move ultimately played a significant role in their demise either way they fought hard, and you could hear it in the leaders' voices during every battle. Looking forward to the next season I joined the discord and twitch if you are needing players or any other help I might hit you up on discord. Great job to everyone.

This is so cool to see all these events and battles unfolding, I wonder though if it's possible to have something like this in Space Engineers without the need for scripting. (Kind of like how the Fountain War in Eve went)

I have no clue what's going on because I've only seen this game in Soviet Womble's videos years ago, but this seems like fun! Great video :D

This is my 1st time ever hearing bout space engineers and with pvp and the huge battles how things play out how the community and communication is so tight knit like I wish I got to watch all this play out like all of this is so interesting

great summary of all events

well done man, i subbed

Very interesting, it's like EVE. I'm new to the game, so I have a lot of learning to do, but I hope to get to this level some day.

Never having rooted for the CDF man I felt bad for them loosing ship after ship. Such an iconic part of the universe, sad they're gone. o7

Hmmm yes thank you youtube reccomended for bringing back another old obsession of mine, space larp. I must recap.

One thing I notice is not alot of fortress places like fobs that could some what handle a battle ship or some cruiser fleets that could help them in a battle I know it could not be allowed to have but it would at least help to have some stations that can fight back I don't do much pvp but something like a fortress station could really help in a battle next to it

I was unaware that this game could even handle this kind of thing lmao

Interesting. Thanks for sharing

well this is my first time seeing anything like this! my impression of pvp sandbox is . but this is cool

this is such a great story, i dont enjoy the RP as much as i enjoy the overall tactical overview and post historical documentary.

This was the video YT randomly reccomended me a week ago. Now I finished season 1 =)

Never knew this side of space engineers existed. Missed out on some good fun

idk what this game is but it seems pretty cool. Probably won't play it tho since im horrible at building stuff on 3D grids in games, or at least im guessing thats how this game handles building considering the blocky-ness of the spaceships. That series u mentioned tho seems neat ill check that out.

it depends on multiple factors generally losing battles is one thing but winning a war is complicated requires coordination and planning once a factions command structure is disrupted its hard for it to recover

I've never even heard of this game, let alone I do not know what's going on here but I sure liked this video

Based on what you have described, the reason why the CDF was destroyed all goes back to a lack of coordination with the Riders. More communication between the two factions and better coordination would have helped out with the ensuing attack by the KE. However, because they didn’t communicate much, the end result was one major defeat, which resulted in a general collapse of the CDF morale, bringing about more defeats until it was an absolute defeat. In this situation, there’s very little that could be done outside of changing leadership and joining the Riders.

after watching the whole season 2 series i could say the defining momment where in either CDF or Rider forces would be annihilated is when both factions did not do any combined strikes against the khan forces (yes in one episode they did do a somewhat joint offensive after it failed both factions just went in and forgot they had an alliance)

(14:22) (blink and you'll miss it) Most definitely gotta have your iTunes up and pumping some good music while you're getting attacked by enemy ships. 😉😎🤘

Lol I found out Space Engineers had pvp from this video and I played the game when it was first in early access

No idea this is what space engineers pvp was like. Looks like everything I've ever been looking for in a game. I've had it in my steam library for years

This is a very interesting story. It's fun too see the same strategies that happened in the real world be recreated by players in a game. If you replaced the names and presented the story as naval battles it would fit in ww2 naval history

EVE Online players going: "Oh sweet summer child".

i would say this is not like dnd more like Battle Tech then DND, but damn this series is great, and I got space engineers because of it.

New favorite line: Brock saying 'Bebe'

I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT SKYBOX IS! The one that is blackish with orange nebula in the background.

Astounding.

Seeing this makes me wish I wasn't so bad at the game : / I love good story plays.

I like this. Quite a neat thing.

I play on a server with multiple active factions, including one that operates some public installations. They protect them with multiple frigates, many destroyers, and an unknown number of battleships and cruisers that exceed 14 million KG in mass, equipped with 75 turrets minimum.

This is SO FUCKING COOL This kind of RP-esque thing is what I love about free form games, I love seeing servers build lore n shit

One of them should've used my juggernaut battleship design (which is on my workshop page) It has a 300G gravity cannon that can tear an unshielded ship in half with one shot Ridiculously powerful shields (darkstar bubble shield and kinetic barriers with cythons shields) It's porcupined with beam laser turrets (I think 40 in total) 2 spinal mount big Bertha cannons Projector based auto repair system (requires Kodiak strut welder mod) nuclear bomb launcher (welds a thermonuclear warhead with a battery and mass block to be fired from the gravity cannon) all wrapped in neutronium armor plating that is 7 blocks thick at its weakest point (can be subbed with heavy armor if you don't have modded armor blocks) This thing is so big that it requires 5 projectors to build in one piece (or build the 5 sections and merge block them together) On the server I used to play on, this thing survived an onslaught from the entire server, including 2 OP admin ships that were intended to make players rage quit In that epic battle, it sustained massive damage, it had an entire engine nacelle missing (half the reactor power and propulsion gone) and had its entire engineering section destroyed (crippling the auto repair system) but it still survived against a server of 20 players It was even more powerful with the modular laser system (where you can pipe lasers together to make a death star) that thing could burn a hole through itself in about 5 seconds with the original design

Jup das mit der CDF war echt ein Schocker hätte eher mit den Rydern gerechnet, dass sie zu erst von den KE ausradiert werden Grad bei der Position der KE können von zwei Seiten angreifen aber irgendwie traurig hätte gerne ein CDF Schlachtschiff gesehen.

Well, this will be interesting

They look like Halo Frigates and capital ships. One of them especially looks like the Pillar of Autumn

@getbrocked Tell me how interested would you be in creating a larger universe. I'm in the works of creating a new gaming community in se. We plan to do things similar to your community here. What if we sort of merged our two universes between all our servers? Where players could jump their ships from your planets to ours. Like visiting a distant galaxy or reaching the other side of tgis galaxy. Its already possible to jump ships between with select mods. Overall it gives us all something greater and more unique in the space engineers community as a whole. I think it could be a great adventure that gives more players more things to explore and a wider range of dynamics.

Space D&D Baby lol I really enjoy your content I need a pc I wanna Rp long time table top gammer and this series is awesome

Hi bro can you tell me the player count in this war? It sounds like there were A LOT of ships and therefore players. Im new to the game and have nobody to play with so those battle sizes just impress me

How do I get into all of this and what if i wanted to become part of a minin coalition

If you could scale Space Engineers with server meshing to reach population sizes of EVE Online, I say this would be the best space game for forseeable future.

How does this work? from my old days playing space engineers, once you get an industry going you can print out several capital ships a day, and you can always hyperjump to a new area to get more resources. How do they run out of ships? is the server resource limited? not allowed to mine resources?

How does one go about joining a pvp server, and how much time is required?

I don't want to criticize the now defunt CDF, but as a viewer it struck me that they didn't look as commited to defeat the Khans at the start. At least from the outside view that is how it looked. Later whe the Khans started to punch them they reacted but then it was more like triying to plug holes in the hull of a sinking ship with the finger.

I think another factor was that the CDF was anticipating a second war with the Riders after dealing with the KE. Remember that in the early phase of the KE invasion the CDF kept a few squadrons bordering Rider territory far from the front line. No doubt those squadrons could have played a decisive role had they been committed to the front, but by the time they were finally deployed it was too late to make a difference. The CDF got distracted preparing for the next war instead of focusing on winning the one they were currently engaged in and it cost them everything.

Can anyone tell me which vid showed the Eternity splitting a ship in half???

Is this on PC? The map grids for territory is cool, I would like to know more about it

A coordinated strategy is always key to victory. That involves effective communication and cooperation of efforts. The second thing is don't underestimate your enemy. Ever. Hit the enemy where they are weak, don't get overly excited by huge gambles if you don't have contingency plans for losing and plans to hold your gains when you win.

Most serious PVPers seem to get banned from most servers.

I'd love to get involved in something like this, but I'm not that well versed in ship building yet.. that, and I can't find a good server on the Series X

strategy is key inm battles. during the korean and japanese war in i believe the 12th to 13th century, a fleet of about 30 (maybe more, dont remember this perfectly) korean boats sank a japenes fleet several times their size, to the point where the general of the fleet that beat the japanese became a legendary figure in their navy, and having your prowess being compared to his was an incredibly high honor. in fact during i believe the russo japanese war or ww2, one naval leader after a large victory had his skills compared to said korean general, but turned it down saying that while he was good, he wasnt that good (in essence) dont remember this perfectly, but it is a pretty cool story.

I wanna play this seeing the pillar of autumn

united we stand, divided we fall

Just found this and if it werent 3am i would continue building

What server host are you using?

Is the Eternity just a BIG pillar of autumn reference?

how do you mark the quadrants on the map? do you use a mod? or set like beacon buoys?

A little late on this but do y’all need just basic crew members who can do menial tasks? I’d love to be a part of this but I don’t know how often I’d be able to and so I don’t want to have a major role because of that. Also I just started playing SE last December so I’m not the most amazing player but i can still preform tasks. Things like repair crew on board ships or at stations sounds fun honestly. Those are essential roles but not everyone wants to do them but it sounds pretty fun to me.

All that's missing now is Gundams

Is it just me or do many of these ships resemble the fleets of the UNSC?

Do you guys use guided missiles?

5:40 I recommend making this more transparent because it really hurt my eyes

I bet the Space Force is taking notes.

I have no clue on what this is (I'll have to watch more content) BUT I've been in the same position before, I had a few guys under me but I had a bunch of people over me, the people over me just lost motivation as what they thought was good turned out it never was good but it worked out fine, This caused the top lead to just not play or just not care enough, I couldn't do much but I keep trying to give a fight with the people under me, And I feel for the guys, they were relatively new and felt left behind, I used those fights to show them how to go at it and used random tactics along with those that kept playing, we lost but we gave one hell of a fight and made it hard for everyone.