DO NOT Turn This Turret Setting On - Space Engineers 

I’d love to see another warfare update that introduces CWIS, guided missiles, and countermeasure launchers. We have the sub targeting system now so it would make sense.

So it's been noted in some discussions around mods I use that a core issue is that missiles have an acceleration value of 1m/s^2 in their data that doesn't actually affect their speed, but throws off turrets, because they lead taking that acceleration in mind. If you drop that value to 0 in the files, they actually become almost *too* good at intercepting, but even the tiniest amount throws them back down to where they are. That said, thanks to the round scatter, they *do* get lucky sometimes, which is why increasing volume of fire also works.

To increase probability of interception, without: A - making players build dozens of turrets B - making high RPM weapons that are hard to simulate, and lagg-up the server ... Keen could just increase the missile's hitbox by like 2-3" and the effect would be the same. (or make turrets more accurate, but that might disrupt the balance against other entities, unless they make the turrets specifically more accurate against missiles - but *just make missile hitboxes larger, thats the simplest answer...* )

Should've also put interior turrets in this comparison. They have shorter range, but they are much smaller for grid space, meaning you can put lines of these in AA embankments. Personally I put interior turrets into sortof AA nests, with their settings set to only intercept missiles purely. Efficient use of space, considering you can fit 9 of them in the same space a Gatling turret takes up, without adding the complexity of a custom turret.

It looks to be less of an issue of rate of fire and more the turrets targeting ability, a lot of shots look like they are just missing the missile behind it almost like the turret is aiming where it is and not accounting for travel time.

Over time I found that the gattling turrets may not be affecting against missiles but they do work well during meteor showers. Which I know many don't have active but personally always felt it a fun addition I have active on my survival runs

With the idea of a CWIS mode for the gatling turret: It would be nice to also have a variable minimum and maximum range for the turret to engage. As you could see when the missiles would get close or would land a hit the turret is then far out of position for follow up shots on the next target and could lead to it repeatedly snapping to missiles which are too close for it to effectively engage. An alarm similar to CWIS sounding from the turret when it engages would be nice as well, that or the option to hook them up individually to a sound block. I'd personally really like to see some form of flak added to the game, filling the skies with black puffs of smoke with an rng dispersion of very short range projectiles where the flak detonates. Though that would most likely also need to be coded for proximity detonation.

i thought it was a clear change in the warfare update, that gatlings were made less accurate and interior turrets would be the optimal small target interception turrets.

Anti missile laser turret. That’s my solution. Add in something based on AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System, a real life anti missile system that uses high powered laser to shoot down missiles.

Based on your current layout and testing situation I think moving the camera to the bottom of the face so all the guns are above it may yeild slightly better results because then it would have the guns all leading the missile. Because the way you describe it you have 3 shooting where it will be, 2 shooting where it is, and 3 shooting where it used to be. THat's also assuming the gatling guns have a bit of deviation. If they are laser perfect accurate then you have 1 shooting ahead of the missle, 1 shooting behind the missile, and 6 shooting beside it on either side.

I really really want the game to add a laser turret to the economy. It doesn't take ammo, but instead has a capacitor which charges slowly, and drains as it fires. It's continuous fire but exceptionally low damage, making it very good for missiles/rockets and spiders, and functional against engineers, but near useless against any but the weakest blocks. So it's roll is as anti missile, and as a counter to hydrogen men attacking your base by just draining the turrets. Also it's effectiveness against engineers but uselessness against blocks means it could be fitted to NPC drones/bases to provide a encouragement to make small fighter craft early on.

There needs to be a end game laser turret for point defence. Something that doesn't need to lead its target.

Wow awesome observation! Also I agree on the balancing. Once set to counter missile fire, it *only* targets that and not other stuff. (Railguns could be an exception, they are expensive and slow to fire) Love the comparison to the real C-RAM too, very nice. Very few people forget that how cool engineering IRL is :)

I assume that if you put the camera on a tiny hinge and adjust the angle that you could potentially change it's fire angle to potentially hit the missile more consistently

There's a feature that's been missed here, the custom turret controller has an "angle deviation" slider that controls the targetting tolerances of custom turrets. After a bit of testing i've had single gatling custom turrets perform a little better than the ones you've got here

I would note perhaps adding gatlings higher above the camera would help if the tracking is off as then the bullets will be adjusted for the rate of travel. You seemed to be hitting more the more turrets were above that axis. Adjusting the speed the turrets turn might help as well. Also weirdly enough I will also recommend adding an assault cannon to increase the range of the turret tracking even if you don't pipe it to fire rounds.

i think it would actually be a rather simple solution: 1. give missiles a little bigger hitbox. 2. give the gatling smaller spread and higher firerate. there is also the option to add anti missile lasers, which is a very much so real world systems in development this very day by among others america, and they work just not all that practical due to power consumption, just make it to weak to do any real damage to small and large grids.

have you tested interior turrets for missile defence?

It's been a while since I've played Space Engineers, so I could be completely wrong about this. However, at 8:53 when you add the gatling guns to the list of weapons, you can see that in the lower right of the menu 'Gatling Gun 10' is listed at the "aiming reference". Earlier in the video you mention that the camera is the center of the turret's aim, but I believe that the first weapon you add to the list is actually the aiming reference. This would make sense since turrets don't require a camera. If this is true, then you could potentially use this knowledge to design a turret with better target lead my moving the aiming reference away from the main grouping of weapons (you may not even have to bother supplying ammo to the weapon you are using as a reference). The hard part might be making sure that the turret is leading in the right direction since depending on the path of the rocket and the orientation of the turret, it could be shooting behind or to the sides of the rocket instead of in front of it.

as a side note: you don't need to "hack" your custom turrets in the way you showed here. just put a large grid hinge on the adv rotor. take out the hinge part, go to the menu --> hinge, add small hinge part. Also there is a vanilla small grid conveyer adapterplate, to go from the small grid large conveyer port (from the hinge part) to a couple of regular small grid conveyer ports. there you go. Now you have your adapter from large grid to small grid. No need of doing it the way you do it here. Also add a breaking torgue to the adv rotor and the hinge. and tick the checkbox "share interior tensor" on the hinge, not on the rotor. that is the way i do all my turrets. they are working abolutue fine, and this way of building it, makes it easier to maintain and repair.

This is why I make my bases with gatling turrets and interior turrets to support. I had 4 interior turrets to support each of the main gatling turrets.

What a cool feature that would help this out is, having a sort of slider, where you can scale accuracy (and maybe fire rate) with the penalty of doing less damage, which would give the effect like the modded gun has at targeting missiles. Having this scaling would also be cool to play with to make more specified turrets

the "Sentinel Turret" from the Akiad Militech - Mod is pretty good against Rockets 😉

A Point Defense option as you mention would be cool, it is how Elite have it and I think is very handy. Dedicated to only shoot missiles and such

If u set a weapon as reference for the CTC, it will have lead. Best option would get a Gatling on the center and use it as referance and surround it with other gatlings. Also. Get the speed of elevation and azimuth at the higher

I love seeing this tested even tho I don't play, but I noticed some ai stuff thing on, if the camera is looking directly at the missle and not just a head of the missle like real life, you'd have an easier time hitting the missle if your Gatling guns were above the camera to adjust for that deviation and not just all around it the camera, in my opinion this makes sense because the bullet seam to be going under the missile and that's why they're missing, which is why it's hitting the missiles more accurately at farther distances and when the angle lines up better but I'm pretty sure it's only the top one that's actually hitting the missile. Actually since this is in space you would theoretically have to put them in the four cardinal directions on the camera at least and it seems like they might have to be two or more out to get better results except for the diagonals witch I think you'd only need the one, so the pattern should look like a diamond or an eight-point star if the sweet spot is farther than two out, I could be wrong but it would be worth testing😅🙃💜

I like to add a few interior turrets around my builds as little AA Turrets,You can group them you for better chances of hit and I find it does occasionally work.

It’s been a few years since I’ve checked this channel out, and you’ve dropped a few octaves. Puberty is a hell of a thing. 😅

lol, you guys are funny. everything LSG said he wanted is already in WC. The intercepting artillery mechanic is a core feature of my mod NorthWind weapon mods. You can be sure that the CIWS in NW wont be letting those missiles threw and even has C-RAM ammo.

To make an effective anti-missile turret you would need to get the velocity of the missile, then calculate where it is going to be given bullet velocity and input that into your turret for where to target. So to make that work you would need at least 2 camera turrets(no guns on them) set to tracking missiles for triangulating position and rate of change in that position(done by taking camera positions after they fix on a missile as inputs, set those to variables, then compare those variables to the next position of the cameras that are taken in as input in a formula), a gun turret, and probably a programmable block. Then given the rate of change of position and the bullet speed you can calculate an intercept position to input into the actual gun turret. You might need the gun turrets position, but that can probably be given as a constant, though I'm uncertain cause it has been a while since I've done these sorts of calculations. Then of course there is a difference between the theoretical and the practical, given the engine being run I have no clue if it would even work, though hopeful it could. Perhaps someone is willing to, or has already done the programming needed to pull this off.

Your analysis of this game mechanic is spot on. There needs to be higher accuracy or higher rates of fire. The modded gattling gun would be a nice feature, or the alternative would be to start using highly accurate particle beam weapons or lasers.

This is where the Northwind weapon mod comes in handy.

This really got me thinking... too look forward to my day off this Wednesday so that I can play this game. I also regret not bringing my laptop to work today... tho I may still try to play remotely via my phone since I always bring a wireless mouse and keyboard for it.

Have you tryed putting the gatling like 5 blocks or even higher to the camera so that it artificialy shoots further in front of the traveling missile? would it effect succes rate.

The GAU minigun mod work perfectly and has a nice spread for the cwis effect and sound

I used to put a number of interior turrets set up to intercept missiles, but I barely use them at all now that they cut the range on the interior turret.

This is why I use the mod Northwind Weapons. Among a bunch of other very cool weapons, it adds a C-RAM turret that can actually shoot down missiles. Also it looks like the turrets are shooting above the missile, so what if you just move the camera up, thereby forcing it to aim lower and hopefully hit the missile

ive tried to make one of these before, I feel like the issue partly (especially with multiple missiles) is the turret tracking and attempting to engage a target it can't. Perhaps the turret cannot spin fast enough to hit it, or the slight dropoff from gats is enough to not allow it to hit missiles point blank. Maybe you should off center the gats, like have a staircase like arrangement going up and around the turret. So you have 3 rounds at 3 different points along the same path. Because more turrets on the sides seems effective, and since they would already be off center, they shouldn't hit anyways. maybe having 12 gats that are in sets of 3, centered and offset by 2 blocks on each set could help. If you can put more rounds in the same path at the exact moment, that would probably be more effective. Maybe if you could also force the turret to stop tracking a missile once it hits X angle, or even have banks of AA turrets that are designed to create as perfect of a wall of rounds as possible. I definitely want to try to make a working turret for this, or some sort of turret bank layout for it.

Very helpful video thank you

I think you probably could get a higher intercept if you increase the offset of the weapons to compensate for lead. Meaning, use fewer turrets spaced out across a taller and wider area vs packed together.

have you tried this test with the C-RAM mod? pretty sure there's a mod like this where it has the same rate of fire and tracking speed as the real life C-RAM/CIWS Phalanx, the bullets go much faster and it dumps a lot more rounds down range, plus the rounds are tracers so they light up the night sky (or space) like a christmas tree when they start going to town and dispensing freedom, it even self-destructs the rounds that exceed the maximum distance of the C-RAM to avoid collateral damage (just like in real life) (i think its been rebalanced so that the rounds dont actually do much damage, but for point defense you dont really even need the damage as long as you hit the incoming missiles.)

the main thing i found with turrets is different axis to what your hitting if you want a turret to hit a missile moving horizontal you need the turret to be place vertically on a wall so the bullet is being fired directly towards the moving missile otherwise the turret turn speed or bullet speed is off and turrets can't track properly you can solve it by making a faster firing gun or shoot more bullets but can also fix it by making a turret tower with a turret on each axis facing the directions you desire

Loved the video @LastStandGamers! Can't wait for the next video man! I think this might be something that Keen could take a Look into with the New AI Update. The Possibility of Building a Custom CIWS Turret is there, it just needs to be Tweaked a Bit to get it to some sort of Acceptable State because for the "Target Missiles" Function to be Ignored due to Low Interception Rates is just not to great. A lot of Ships in the Real World have at least 1 CIWS Systems on board as part of their Armament, but the Range and Rate of Fire of the Gatling Gun is a Bit Lackluster by comparison. I'd be better off using it as a 20 millimeter Anti-Aircraft or Anti-Tank Gun like on the Panzer II C.

Seeing as damage doesn't matter for intercepting missiles I mixed in interior turrets with gatlings and had the gatlings do the ship-ship combat and interior turrets focus on missiles.

I think on the topic of not using the missile engage option so your turrets are not focusing on the enemy and instead wasting fire on the missiles can be solved by instead putting a couple dedicated turrets specifically for CIWS/C-RAM usage

Another thing that the Ciwis has that helps it destroying targets is the fact that its projectiles explode when near the target and this facilitates shooting it down

The Gatling guns are firing directly at the missile so they’re always going to miss unless the missile is shot basically directly at the Gatling gun’s barrel. It needs to know the path of the missile and adjust aim to shoot where the missile is going to be when the bullet reaches it, not shoot where the missile is at the moment of shooting. I don’t think you could code it in game and it’d have to be a mod or some new in-game targeting system. If you’re given the position and velocity vector of the missile you could fairly easily code a system to intercept it properly but those two parameters are only available in the game code afaik, not available for scripting in game. It’d be a function of where the missile is pointing, and the position + distance of the missile from the gun. The position and distance change constantly as the missile approaches (obviously) so a simple angle offset of the gun wouldn’t work as some have suggested. The issue is going to always be that by the time the Gatling gun fires a bullet, the missile has already moved out of the way and no volume of fire will fix that (unless you give the Gatling gun a huge spread to try to randomly hit it.) Alternatively, if they made some sort of flak bullet for these guns it’d bandaid the issue. It’d also be useful for regular combat. Maybe you could jerry rig a targeting system by using two cameras to get the position and path of the missile. Not sure if that’s possible in SE. Higher velocity bullets and higher rate of fire + the inaccuracy of the gun are only bandaid fixes. The inaccuracy of the gun is the only thing that actually gives the bullets a chance at hitting, and if it were perfectly accurate it’d literally never hit unless the missile was coming head on.

i thought i was tripping out when the video repeated itself when you mentioned about the modded blocks rate of fire.....inception!!!

i actually have a better way to fix it using the game. I set 2 hinges and one rotor. i place the rotor for side to side movement, then a rotor on top that just quickly moves up and down, and on top of that i have the hinge that holds the gun and aims. the rotor and hinge being controlled by the controller wil work as intended. but the middle hinge will quickly and rapidly move at a 20 degree angle plus and minus to force the gun to not always aim to low or high but force the spread of fire across the hinges vertical movement. so it has a higher chance to hit the missle. this test shows the gun will constantly shhot many rounds behind or infront of the missle and aim that way. but my design shakes the top hinge up and down so it still aims but its forced to shoot behind, infront, and directly at it making it hit it more often.

the best in game anti-missle thing i have seen was done by using a script to detect the angle and velocity of the missle, then it uses a simple trigonometric function to find the best intercept point and compensate for the lag of the turret by adding a lead time.

We need fuzed flack cannons. Would be quite easy to do as missiles already explode at max range, they could just set max weapon range to the current range to target. Not sure how SE would handle that - depends whether the range is set per projectile at time of launch or if it’s done some other way.

I've found the interior turrets seem to have more luck with this. But still not enough to just hold a point on their own. As a secondary defense on a moving ship they aren't too bad. They reduce the missile volume a bit.

I know for some people the idea of using mods is blasphemous but tbh the weapons in vanilla are not so great. I use Weaponcore and an mod called ITCC Weapons Pack - Weaponcore together to get that very satisfying CIWS turret. If you look up this mod on the workshop page you will see a CIWS turret in the pack that very closely or even exactly approximates the real life weapon. It even sounds exactly like a CIWS. When you see missiles heading for your base and hear half a dozen of these CIWS turrets going off and see the red fire hose going out into the sky you will love the mod. As for vanilla you have to use a dozen or more turrets just to equal one of these CIWS. It would be nice if Keen would give us laser missile defense turrets as someone else suggested.

A major problem you pointed out was that the turret took too long to reposition after targeting one missile to hit the other ones. Further more, though I'm too lazy to watch back EVERY test, I'm pretty sure that not a single missile that got above the turret was intercepted. This once again brings us to the problem of the turret being too slow to reposition, and so trying to reposition only reduces it's accuracy. Thusly, my solution is to simply restrict the angles on the turret's rotor and hinge, yes this would render it unable to intercept missiles coming from different directions, but come on, do you really think it can turn fast enough to intercept them anyways? Another, more unorthodox solution, could be to make the turret it's own sub-grid and putting gyros on it so it can turn faster. But it could well be the fact that no gyro rpm could make the turret fast enough, without making it overshoot and causing the missile to already hit by the time it corrects itself. Or, you know, that not working to begin with.

Multi-gatling converging - you deliver a wall of lead which means even without properly leading the target, the missiles are intercepted.

Here's an alternative, one that we are even using a bit IRL, active denial systems, these are mostly used by big warships and some tanks, as both of those are targeted by missiles. The way they could do this is a low-power gun specifically used to intercept and weaken enemy projectiles, doing very little damage to regular armor but lots of damage to things like missiles, this would give us a turret expressly used for defense so that you don't need to worry about missiles when using bigger ships or smaller less valuable vehicles that aren't worth shooting with higher caliber guns.

I remember seeing a mod that adds in a laser designator camera. It extends range on most things.

It seems like the main issue is that gatling guns just aren't *hitting* the missiles. Adding alternative ammo types (namely a timed fuze flak type munition) would allow you to spec out weapons for different purposes such as taking out missiles.

For my point defense needs i use lasers from the DEW mod. It's got 2 solutions that fit the bill. The point defense laser and the AA laser turret. The former is good at taking out missiles and players, the latter is good at taking out fighters and drones. I usually put a fair few of them around my ship which protects it from all but a large saturation attack.

I'll take a look at this and see if I can make or figure out a solution hopfuly by Monday if I can.

I was thinking that Keen can do what RL already does with flak- you don't need something super accurate, just fill the air with what amounts to buckshot. it's easy to get a hit when your 'hitbox' is measured in feet-by-feet, not millimeters-by-millimeters. Make them do 1-2 damage so that they take out missiles but otherwise do very little damage to ships.

you will also want to set a minimum range of something like 100-200m under which the gatling turret would give up and target something else as trying to train onto a close range target too close to hit and then back to the next closest target will make for a situation where when overwhelmed it stops being able to effectively engage anything because it cant train back and forth or spool up that fast.

I started a thread on the Forums over a year ago about this subject. I was contacted by a Moderator and asked to send a saved game world with my testing setup. I set up several Gatling Turrets, a couple of Interior Turrets, and several custom turrets...all to intercept a single missile launcher firing at a Decoy. With 8 guns total and many thousands of rounds fired every minute, I intercepted about 10% of the missiles. Obviously, more work is needed to make anti-missile defenses viable.

humm thanks for the info . i had a base with 5 gats on it and it was blown away by missile fire that explains a lot never tried interior turrets but its better than gatling defense at this point

I find that interior turrets work better for me, I usually put a set of two to cover a section of the ship (like top-front/bottom-front, top-middle/bottom-middle, etc) and I get pretty good chances of a hit

I think the solution is to have a lock on range (1km) and then a firing range (800m) so there's a second or two for the turret to calculate where to aim and fire by using a targeting computer part would make it more efficient in calculating and this making it fire slightly sooner and more accurately. I think doubling the range is a bit ridiculous because unless a ship is sending a barrage much greater than the number of turrets, it would make missile builds less reliable. I think it should be as close to a 50/50 chance of interception and hits as possible so neither side can just spam defenses or missiles to counter each other (in terms of quantity)

Traversal speed is a major factor too if it can’t get lead it can’t connect

Damn I actually had no idea they were that useless at targeting missiles. I thought it was better than this. Thanks for the testing

personally i use interior turrets to target missiles, in a large quantity they seem to do well enough, although at this point missiles are getting a bit outdated

You should test this out. It appears that most of the bullets are hitting below. Adding a hinge or rotor to the guns to slightly angle them higher then it’s average height will make the bullets travel at a slightly higher angle and thus increasing chances.

Yo you tripped me out with the double take. Of the modded large Gatling gun. Time line: (5:14)-(6:20)

I always have interior turrets to target missiles and charactors. They have a much higher rate of fire that allows them to get almost every missike that comes in. The ammo is much cheaper as well. I know a lot of players avoid interior turrets because they have to hand load them. This isnt as big an issue as most players make it as you only need to trhow about 100 clips in and you will almost never have to load more ammo assuming you have them set to only target players and missiles. You can even put interior turrets on small grid with rotors if you dont mind sub-grids. If you try this and you experience any Clang, adjusting rotor displacement can help get rid of it. Setting up proper targeting is important on all weapons, so I highly recommend testing each weapon to find what works best for you and your builds

I think it needs flak turrets with proxmity fuses. Maybe an option to enable on the gatling gun or the autocannon.

And also to be honest when it did manage to rival my older vessels with it when I put the new gonna read that I wanted on it which was called the vulture Gatling guns to rival the mobile missile turret the thing that people would normally use on a destroyer or whatever but for some reason those ones work better on fighting each other

I'm curious if offsetting the turrets farther from the camera would help. I mean if all guns fire parallel to one another and the camera, then they are always shooting at where the missile is and not where it is going to be. If they are farther away then some of those rounds would be ahead of it.

I tested around with custom CIWS turrest for many hours last week, so the person reading this doesn't have to. I strongly recommend a 'spray and pray' approach at this point: set the target deviation to 90 to take away all 'doubt' on the side of the AI. You want it to spray like crazy. Turning speed on rotor + hinge: 30.00 in the controller (max). Braking power in the hinge and rotor: around half of the normal movement strength. @LastStandGamers you may want to try again with these settings.

This feels more like guidelines to make a brand new turret not a feature of the Gatling. Making a point defence turrets would be nice.

It's probably been talked about before but, what about using interior turrets as a PDS?

phalanx systems on ships were always a last resort point defense system. I don't know their success rates, but believe it is far from perfect. But you are correct in that using a similar system in game is largely pointless unless you use a mod or a lot of turrets.

The only other thing I can think of is maybe spread the turrets farther apart so they have a wider angle, not grouped so closely together, say 5-10 blocks in every direction? This way theyre not trying to hit the missile head on?

Maybe your issue with them missing is due to your distance from the camera. If you want your gatling firing ahead of the projectile, and your camera is your crosshair, and your crosshair is always centered on the missile, then you need your gatlings further from the camera

I think it deserves a special turret all it's own. The other difference is that the CIWS uses tracer feedback to zero in on a firing solution that hits the target.

Is there a spinny bit? Like a rotator of some sort, u could spin the guns to make a spiral fire patter possibly

i dont know, but if you placed the cam in the mid and place two or three directly above and below the cam i think it will work better. any on the sides will miss by default if they have a set trajectory. the ones on the top are probably the only ones able to actually hit them because its the cam tracking not the guns but the ones closer to the cam are always firing behind the missile instead of at it. only the one on top was coming close.

the interception should be a function and we should be able to change some of the values that dont impact on CPU load

Custom turrets require a centered gun to work properly against small targets. Which is why some designs have terrible accuracy against fast/small craft and projectiles. They're custom and their sole purpose is to pack a lot of extra firepower over the standard turrets, so don't worry about armoring up and adding center guns. The compact 6x gatling design is great because it keeps things within the hinge's boundaries and lessens visible weakspots, but you might want to build one more similar to a Phalanx CIWS to keep weapons centered(hinge at 90 degree offset from guns, often with a conveyor adapter and 3x3 small hinge head).

I always thought SE lacked some kind of point defense system. Way way back, I tried to build a 1:1 segment of the Battlestar Galactica, and wasn't sure what to use for it's defense. Ended up going with standard gatling turret, there sheer number kinda did the job, but it was still meh. Also, I always wanted some flak guns that explode in an average radius at a set distance ; ittt could also serve as some kind of missile interception system.

There is a lot more individual components that help increase the CRAM's effectiveness for intercepts. A semi active radar station for early warning would help the accuracy for intercepts. A wall of lead won't help in a three dimensional actual scenario. I don't Play Space Engineers. but from the looks of it, range seems to be the biggest issue.

If I may; one of the flaws with custom Anti-Ordinance turrets is that the camera is offset from the guns. So what's actually happening is that a bullet that "misses" the target actually hits, as if these guns were all 100% accurate, they'd all be bracketing the missile, never actually hitting it. The only ones that likely have much of a chance of hitting the missile are the ones directly above and directly below the camera.

Maybe we should be able to set minimum engagement ranges for anti-missile turrets. They are only really effective if they can intercept missiles by 300-400 meters out. If it misses that window it would be better to go to the next one.

not too mention all of the other turrets in use at some time interior turrets as well as my own missles turrets that also target enemy missles soooo yeah lol that option is perfectly fine to use lol

might it make a differance not only to have gats on the ball turrets left/right/up/down to create targeting angles, but also to have a few one block forward or backwards and by that when all fire at the same time due to their spacing they hit different poistions in the way of missle projectile and by that additionally increase the chance for a hit?

How about a laser as point defense? Can only attack missiles and meteors, only requires energy to shoot, is instant hit, and maybe a shorter range of 200m. It could also have a long-ish reload time between shots so that you need several if you expect to be taking a lot of incoming fire.

The missile knows where it is at all times.

The explanation is way easier than you seem to wanna say. They just keep targeting where they are rather than where they’re going.

personaly for anti-missile atack i just spam with interior turrets set to target only missiles. works fine for me

So if you place a good bundle of gats a out 2 or 3 blocks above the camera that might work better? Kinda force a better lead on the targets?

Adding optional proximity rounds in my opinion would be better. There would be a trade off between using regular ammo and proxy ammo as proxy ammo does less damage but is also able to intercept missiles better.

It used to be that those Gatling turrets made missile turrets utterly useless except in massive massed volleys.

Should try putting the camera where the bottom Gatling gun is.