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How the Color Pie Defines Heroes 

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In Magic the Gathering there are many heroic characters, spanning the entire spectrum of motivations, all a different shade of what it means to be a hero, and if we boil down each of these heroic characters into their simplest forms, that of the mtg colors that define them, we would begin to find patterns and learn that perhaps the color pie has a deeper effect on creating heroes than you might think. So what are these patterns and how can we use color philosophy to better understand the characters of the multiverse, or use these patterns to create heroes of our own. In this video I will expand on what it means to be a hero in each of the five colors of the color pie, and how there is more behind it than simply finding heroic traits within a color.
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@Cyberpunker1088
@Cyberpunker1088 Год назад
White: Romantic Hero Blue: Classical Hero Black: Antihero Red: Tragic Hero Green: Epic Hero
@raku5178
@raku5178 Год назад
I now want nothing more than to workshop a red/black aligned hero. Someone so relentless in their mission to protect their identity and what they stand for. One of the characters that comes to mind is Raphael from TMNT, a character brash and selfish but wants nothing more than to protect his loved ones and will go to extreme lengths to do so.
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
A RB hero would be a relentless force for sure.
@polar8394
@polar8394 Год назад
To me, Denji from Chainsaw Man is a perfect example of Black/Red hero: despite everything he's gone through and goes through in his life, he never, ever loses his drive to have the life he wants: even if his desires can be seen as shallow and not much, to him, it's perfect
@placeholdername3818
@placeholdername3818 Год назад
Lancelot comes to mind. He's a great fighter and knight but also a glory hound with a selfish streak.
@demilembias2527
@demilembias2527 Год назад
@Polar I was literally just about to comment this.
@mslabo102s2
@mslabo102s2 Год назад
@@polar8394 On that note, I've seen chainsaws associated with Black-Red characters more than I thought there should be. Denji of course, but also Doom Slayer and Chaos Marines in WH40k. I'm assuming it's something to do with violence.
@Itachi45481
@Itachi45481 Год назад
Toshiro Umezawa and Liliana Vess are good examples of black aligned hero's so i totally agree on each color has differing ways of going about things
@TerryBradstreet
@TerryBradstreet Год назад
What about a Color versus itself? The heroic aspect of a Color finding itself in conflict with the villainous expression of its own philosophy? The moderate versus the extremist?
@rixaxeno7167
@rixaxeno7167 4 месяца назад
Every one color, in excess, leads to the failure to uphold at least a part of its own collection of values. For example, White is selfless and cares for the good of others. White also has a tendency to oppress others, forcing conformity to its own ideals of order. This can become harmful to the very people that white so selflessly seeks to protect, leading to internal strife within the color. Black is focused on self-development, personal gain and wealth, and the willingness to leverage others to achieve their own ends. Taken to an extreme, this selfish behavior can lead to neglecting the wellbeing of the very people that helped them achieve their goals to begin with, causing their support network to collapse, leading to their own downfall. A black hero would oppose this from within the villain's own support network, as to prevent the villain from sabotaging the ambitions of each member of the group.
@michaelfoster795
@michaelfoster795 5 дней назад
So color pie cival war set? I like that idea
@UltimateXorn
@UltimateXorn Год назад
I hope that you don’t mind me using some of your notes about The Color Pie and interstate it into my personal notes for my creative writing project. Your thoughts are amazingly helpful and insightful!
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
Oh, I definitely don't mind. If a video of mine can inspire further creative projects, then that makes me happy.
@chewiecheshire7973
@chewiecheshire7973 Год назад
This is why I believe Elspeth is the best white-aligned hero. Two of her greatest foes, Heliod and Elesh Norn, are white-aligned, showing that she is willing to fight those that share her ideals but take them too far. She is also willing to work with people who would normally be seen as her enemy like Erebos (black-aligned),the Maestroes (blue-black-red) aligned, and Koth (Red-aligned).
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
Elspeth is the greatest hero of the multiverse full stop. She also might just be my favorite
@TerryBradstreet
@TerryBradstreet Год назад
@@DiceTry I would like to see some inspection of how each Color conflicts with itself, between the moderate and heroic expression of the philosophy versus the extremist and villainous aspects. Schismatic / civil conflicts are some of the nastiest.
@AsuraPsych
@AsuraPsych Год назад
Great video, as someone who studies personality and archetypes the "hero" has always been my favorite to attempt to understand and viewing it through the color pie adds a unique lens. Personally, my favorite form of Heroism in the MTG universe is seen in Boros - An unyielding force that seeks to destroy those who would do harm, but more specifically, those who do so unjustly. It's this odd combination of individualism in that each person is pushed to be their best self but also the idea that individuals should fiercely fight for what they believe is right for everyone. I think that's why many Angels exist in Boros, they act as these fiery paragons for people to look to as heroic figures to emulate - symbols that if evil approaches then it should be confronted swiftly and fairly in regards to the evil it has acted out. I think flavor text on "Justice Strike" Really sums it up for me: "Those who show no mercy to the weak deserve no mercy from the strong."
@The_Young_Lion
@The_Young_Lion Год назад
I don’t play MtG (I’m a Yu-gi-oh player), however, your insights into the color wheel and it’s combinations fascinate and give me all sorts of ideas for creating characters for TTRPGs. Keep up the amazing work!
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
As a former yugioh duelist I say welcome and stay a while.
@duskdeadman4333
@duskdeadman4333 Год назад
My condolences you poor bastard.
@Tony-nt5zd
@Tony-nt5zd Год назад
Black with Red and/or Green supporting it has always really drawn me in as the basis for a heroic character.
@fenrirsilver6441
@fenrirsilver6441 Год назад
This video is funny, because I was just talking to a coworker of mine about heroism in black. He wanted me to at least list off 5 impactful heroic figures in black. I remembered your old vid, and was gonna share it with them only to find you released a new one today. Personally if I had to list some it would be Lilliana, Toshiro, Sorin, Xancha, and Maralen. I would be curious if anyone else can list more.
@untrainedear
@untrainedear Год назад
Xantcha is a really interesting example here, and I agree. I genuinely think her actions demonstrate elements of all colours barring blue, but the nature of her astounding bravery and self-determination is one of the most positive depictions of a black-aligned character. The red element in her printed card complements this perfectly.
@KarnodAldhorn
@KarnodAldhorn Год назад
I once made a Red aligned hero. She was mostly motivated by the Freedom part. She was not a hothead though. Her fatal Red flaw was cowardice. Fear; an emotion that Red would follow like any other.
@TotallyACat
@TotallyACat Год назад
What defines a Hero you ask? A Hero will always GO BEYOND! PLUS ULTRA! Lol 😂 In all seriousness though, the more you cover Black Mana, the more I realize I am VERY Black Mana. Excellent work as always Dice! 😊
@alexander1498
@alexander1498 Год назад
This topic is something i was really interested in, thank you!
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
Awesome, that's great to hear. Perhaps villains need the same treatment
@AdrydYT
@AdrydYT Год назад
Now I'm left wondering how would hero with two colors work. Especially opposing colors. I could imagine something like Orzhov being somewhat opposing to green and red. Orzhov, being black and white, would have heroes that defend their own group or tribe or family against the unpredictability of red and green, while they could even understand a blue hero to some extent.
@rixaxeno7167
@rixaxeno7167 4 месяца назад
My theory is that they oppose the same color pair as their shared ally color, but for different reasons. Take any enemy pair. On the color pie, there is always one color that is allies of both the enemy colors in the initial pair. Let's take Golgari, for example. Golgari is Green-Black. The shared ally color is Red. Take a look at the enemy pair of Red, which is White-Blue (Azorius). Villainous qualities of any color pair are quite abundant. (I recommend viewing Spice8Rack's analysis of the guilds of Ravnica for more details.) Azorius values knowledge and order, seeking to control every detail of the world toward their own utopic vision. The blue of Azorius opposes the green of Golgari, seeking to manipulate the world in an unnatural way. The white of Azorius opposes the black of Golgari by imposing control on what longs for freedom and autonomy. Combining these concepts presents us with a clear image of why Golgari opposes Azorius. Azorius seeks to prevent change, as it threatens the stability of their dream. Golgari is foundationally built on change. Everything that exists must grow and decay in a continuous cycle of replacement. Golgari abhors the desire Azorius has to force time to stop.
@patricksundqvist1154
@patricksundqvist1154 Год назад
Another great video! As one of my favourite colour shards is white, red and black, I can really understand how these would foster a hero like Isshin, Two Heavens as One from Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty. White and red give him the gives him the passion and strength to fight for his ideals, while black can mean that he is willing to achieve victory by any means necessary. White, in this case, would not be his sense of moral purity but rather his clear view of how a peaceful world would be. This is just my take, but as you said: "Truth in zealous expression and peace in fulfilled goals."
@himboghost629
@himboghost629 Год назад
I now wanna see your interpretation of different colour pairs as heroes and how they maybe different to some of their parts
@dekaw9138
@dekaw9138 7 месяцев назад
Well I think shards and wedges have the same two enemy colors a mono colors
@BruceWaynesaysLandBack
@BruceWaynesaysLandBack Год назад
DND needs these kind of expanded character motivations
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
+1
@duskdeadman4333
@duskdeadman4333 Год назад
Too bad wotc is dumpstering DnD
@placeholdername3818
@placeholdername3818 Год назад
@@duskdeadman4333 At least there are many great alternatives to it
@LordOfDarkness8296
@LordOfDarkness8296 Год назад
This is a really good video and a very interesting topic. Now it makes me wonder what it means to be a Dimir hero or Orzhov hero. Or even an Izzet hero or a Boros hero.
@ndefied3594
@ndefied3594 Год назад
Amazing video, you have somehow managed to take the quality to yet another level. Absolutely loving this content.
@untrainedear
@untrainedear Год назад
Your videos are always, always fascinating. And as others have said, they're getting even better. Thank you, again! You've done an amazing job of drawing out the complementary and contrasting elements. The nature of MTG heroes has always intrigued me - since way back when Gerrard Capashen was *the* dominant human character. I think the depiction of heroes over the years aligns nicely with the evolution of the colour pie more generally. Gerrard's first (still bewilderingly poor) card was always, obviously going to be mono-white, whereas his newer (and a bit less rubbish) card is a far more accurate colour depiction of his actions in the lore. He still deserves a better card though, ha
@rossf8616
@rossf8616 Год назад
You are the Rystic Studies of color philosophy! More people need to be aware of your content!
@zzlord4309
@zzlord4309 Год назад
Have been watching your videos for a while DiceTry, Your content has been amazing, from the presentation to the narration!
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
Thanks, I've been really trying to improve my editing, and I think it shows in this one, so I appreciate your comment.
@SlowUnpacking
@SlowUnpacking Год назад
Always love your pace dude, but it seems like it has evolved even further. Keep improving / growing, friend!
@SlowUnpacking
@SlowUnpacking Год назад
I did think of an improvement on this type of overarching video if you don't mind. I thought maybe between the colors, as you explain the ties between the colors, you could show a color pie that fills itself in as a sort of intermediary summary. I noticed this also helps people watch through the whole video.
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
Thanks, it means a lot from a fellow content creator
@LeeCarlson
@LeeCarlson Год назад
I'm very pleased with what you have presented here and I think that it will allow me to build some interesting characters for my own fiction.
@DiceTry
@DiceTry Год назад
I'm glad to hear it. I was hoping it would be comprehensive enough to give people something to work with.
@TheSandwhichman108
@TheSandwhichman108 Месяц назад
I like to picture mono Black and it’s color pairings when driven to the side of good being those people who are seen as failures or bad examples. But despite all that they still do there damn hardest to fight the good fight even if it means using some questionable methods. In other words ‘I’m the one who has the balls to do what needs to be done to save others…WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND A MASK OF LIES!’ I can see the color pairing of red/black or green/black being the best examples of- ‘You know…they make a good point…’
@michaelfoster795
@michaelfoster795 5 дней назад
So....thanos
@SatsukiYumizuka
@SatsukiYumizuka Год назад
Hi DiceTry. I want to say i like your videos talking about the magic colors. While watching the snow lands video, i wondered if each type of lands had a meaning. Like fastlands being the two colors quick response to an immediate threat, checklands thinking about whether their actions are in line with their principles, etc. I know it's just a mechanic but perhaps there could be a justification for it in the color pie.
@goncaloferreira6429
@goncaloferreira6429 4 месяца назад
Another great video. The colour pie is an amazing tool but also an illusion. Each one of us has all 5 colours indide of us. Blue, Black and red deeds come from a strong sense of self they think like " what can I do" and what will this get ME". WHite and green characters think of US and the Whole. they defend the status quo while U/B/R are more are more likely to rebel. 19:33 i would not say perfect but simple the way things are and have always been. If we think about the heroes journey: red is the young, hero that answers the call to action and doesnt know better. Through experence they get more knowledge (blue) and their impetus is somewhat cooled down. They are then able so see the world not as black and white but all of the grey the world, its people and societies have. They are then tempted or faced with their own shadow (black). if they fail their test they become villains. if they are sucessfull they have a chance to become Heroes. White is the final step of the heroes journey when they find their place in society and try to build a better one.They are at peace with temselves and others( green) .
@dancingimmortal448
@dancingimmortal448 6 месяцев назад
Its intresting, white is the color of the benevolant tyrant while black is the kind of hero that would fight back against them. which is hilarious because black is the color of a normal tyrant and white the color that would fight that.
@revanreborn7626
@revanreborn7626 Год назад
Yea I need a two color pair hero series/vid now 😂 or your take on color pair gameplay/fighting style
@MatiNuva1724
@MatiNuva1724 Год назад
How could one make a Blue/Black hero? I've been thinking about this for few hours and I still don't get it
@lincolnholocinski-francis9063
A Lich has been terrorizing a local town. A resident, after losing his family to the Lich, pushes the limits of what everyone thought necromancy was, and grew stronger than the Lich. With this power, he drove off the Lich. He then took a vow to never use necromancy unless it was needed, effectively retiring.
@danielbloomquist9810
@danielbloomquist9810 9 месяцев назад
Big Boss from Metal Gear. Gerald Tarrant from The Coldfire Trilogy. Lelouch Vi Brittania from Code Geass. If no one else, Batman.
@PAX-East
@PAX-East Год назад
What was the card on screen from 17:12 to 17:27? Same for the first Green Hero art shown at 18:15 to 18:25 as well as the samurai at 20:13 to 20:30 The art looks great.
@Helios810
@Helios810 6 месяцев назад
They are in the following order: Ardent Elementalist from Innistard: Midnight Hunt, Horizon Seeker from Kaldheim and Fauna Shaman from The Brothers’ War
@Executioner9000
@Executioner9000 2 месяца назад
Kamina (TTGL) is the ultimate red hero.
@cherylrodgers6331
@cherylrodgers6331 Год назад
Thanks for showing us 😅💋
@crowdaddy5179
@crowdaddy5179 Год назад
I like this a lot! Personally my favorite color combination is dimir my first real commander deck I’ve ever put together is dimir rouges and I like the idea of a rouge being a hero fighting a much grander evil force from the shadows When I image it it wouldn’t be a white alined force tho it would be a green alined force like a governing force that relies on the sheeple’s human side to want to do what they feel is natural and naturally they want easy lives but it’s making them weak and compliant but they r being brainwashed under the guise of natural spirituality Or maybe because the system is so much bigger it might be everything they hero isn’t so if the hero is dimir then the system would be naya Idk food for thought
@frorasu3949
@frorasu3949 Год назад
What's the soundtrack at green?🌲😍
@volosguidetomonsters3440
@volosguidetomonsters3440 6 месяцев назад
I can't tell if Anakin is mono-red or mono-black. He's not Rakdos though. And Vader is UB obiously
@spinnertown
@spinnertown 4 месяца назад
Flavor is so important in Magic and thats the most issue atm. There are so many cards out there which we all call staples. Those cards are good and fun to play, but sucks at Flavor. Best example for me Dockside Extortionist or cyclonic rift. The most flavorfull cards who really shines, are bad, no abilities etc. Look at Carnophage, Canyon Wildcat and many more older or newer cards who sucks but are beautiful. For me thats the biggest problem.
@jeffbrownstain
@jeffbrownstain Год назад
Mana is the vibrational frequencies (of mostly Light) that become reflected as Color when they pass through the Subjective Experience and are interpreted by an Observer. Therefore all ideas and actions can be a reflection of any color or combination of colors, just through different lenses in which it's viewed. Put ^that as a copy pasta so you dont keep having to justify blacks existence lmao
@dyne313
@dyne313 Год назад
There are no Colorless Heroes.
@sofiar.r.9063
@sofiar.r.9063 11 месяцев назад
How about Karn, then?
@dyne313
@dyne313 11 месяцев назад
@@sofiar.r.9063 Karn doesn't exist.
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