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How The Enemy Within Killed One Of Italy's Greatest Car Makes - History of Lancia 

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Lancia won more Rally titles than any other.. It once made Italy's best cars. Today Lancia is only being sold in Italy, with only one model. Everyone thinks that rust killed Lancia but in fact the reasons that the once glorious marque has practically ceased to exist are complex and even involve Alfa Romeo. This is the story of 3 key factors that led to Lancia's downfall.

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@thomasshepard6030
@thomasshepard6030 Год назад
My mate had a LANCIA dealership in Glasgow in the late 1970s he told me they were an excellent car superbly engineered he actually owned one himself he sent it into a rust proofing company who rust proofed the whole car he ran that car right into the 1980s and never had a bit of rust
@MHORASHTY
@MHORASHTY Год назад
The best car I ever owned was a Lancia HF Turbo, white with Martini stripes. I did thousands of miles around the U.K and Europe in the 80's and early 90's and it never let me down and I loved it to bits, even if it did understeer horrendously in the wet and the windows didn't always go up when you wanted them to.
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@dlevi67
@dlevi67 Год назад
Combine the two, and you have a recipe for happiness on wheels!
@davidweitzman6831
@davidweitzman6831 Год назад
Just took my 1990 hf turbo to the mountains of Jerusalem this morning. What a great little car!
@nomdeplume798
@nomdeplume798 Год назад
I remember the HF Turbo very well and, although I didn't drive them as often as you, l don't remember the understeer particularly. It did have tyres that were two sizes smaller than the RS Turbo; 165s as opposed to 185s.
@johnescott1
@johnescott1 Год назад
I had one of those but had a habit of cutting out for no reason. Sold it for £200, bloke I sold it to called me a while later and told me it was a simple earth to the petrol pump. still miss it.
@jackburtonstwin
@jackburtonstwin Год назад
This is saddening. In the mid-80s, as a 20 year old, I purchased a Lancia Beta 2.0 Coupe. It was fabulous. Fast (for the time), wonderful engine and neutral and safe handling (for a FWD). It had it's flaws but, like all the most seductive Italian mistresses, it's looks and style were beyond persuasive so I happily forgave it it's trivial failings and frustrations, like the manifold bolts that just refused to stay torqued down and were a pain to reach due to the back-canted engine.
@markrell1231
@markrell1231 Год назад
if thats the best you can describe the handling of a beta coupe i would love to know what you have driven that was better. wow . under powered for the chassis yes . but never neutral . a fabulous car to drive in its day , probably still is. wish i still had mine
@jackburtonstwin
@jackburtonstwin Год назад
@@markrell1231 it was good, but my 2nd Gen Renault 5 turbo was ballistically quick through bends and my Red Top Astra GTE 16V had a fantastic engine although the handling was a bit meh. These days I tool about in an Audi S5 (the V8 flavor) and on RS4 20in alloys with all wheel drive it grips like a leech to at blood bank. The Beta Coupe was neutral because it's suspension set up could handle the engine's output. It wasn't overpowered relative to it's levels of grip. You could only really provoke it in the wet and, usually, it washed out wide at the front. It took foolish levels of goading to get the back out.
@AndrewKerr2406
@AndrewKerr2406 Год назад
@@markrell1231 totally agree, I remember someone in a TR7 trying to live with Lancia on a twisty road, he was soon a dot in the rear view mirror
@Rassskle
@Rassskle Год назад
@@AndrewKerr2406 In a TR7........? My grandmother could outrun a TR7 in a luxury model 2 door 1966 cortina.... standard everything. Could outrun a TR7 in a push bike. I got sacked for telling my boss I couldn’t sell his TR7 until he priced it as a Skoda. lol The engine was okay for the hot sedans.... where they called a sprint ? But the TR7 was a much heavier car and the engine was only tuned for nuns to go shopping. Clever wedge design but handled like a shopping trolly. I got it, the Dolomite Sprint. Same engine, but the sprint engine was hot. Those in the TR7 were not..... the dumbest design ever for a ladies shopping trolley.
@AndrewKerr2406
@AndrewKerr2406 Год назад
@@Rassskle all of the above are true, I think the driver thought he was in a Stratos
@rossmarzano
@rossmarzano Год назад
I was a mechanic in a former life and had the pleasure of working at a couple of Italian car repair shops where i saw all sorts including Beta, fulvia zagato, flavia, flamina, HPE. My favourite Lancias were those prior to fiat ownership; the V6, flat 4, and the 'V4' were truly works of art.
@lukecona2749
@lukecona2749 Год назад
????????
@Abraxium
@Abraxium Год назад
The V4 just sounds tricky to work on
@ElectricUAM
@ElectricUAM Год назад
Excellent recap of Lancia, Alex. Yes, it's sad to see FIAT never made heads or tails of an otherwise fantastic brand. In an ideal world, you would have Ferrari for performance seekers, Maserati for luxury performance, Lancia for high-quality mass-produced performance, Alfa for a synthesis of all of the above and FIAT cars to surprise us once in a while. Also, ask the Maserati family how they felt seeing the government give money to Alfa and not Maserati in the 50s and 60s.
@federicomalignani4957
@federicomalignani4957 Год назад
Hallo Giacomo,interesting story.In my family we had 42 Lancias from 1950 and personally I owned 11 of them.My first remember of a car is that of my mother's Fulvia Berlina,and my last Lancia was a Thesis V6 3.0.But I also remember my father's Flaminia Coupè (he had four of them,all metallic silver with black leather interiors because he thought that nobody could realize that he was changing car often....)and I have good rememberings of my cars.The first that I bought with my money was a beautiful Gamma Coupè mk 2.It was an excellent but fragile car,with fantastic stability and road holding and excellent brakes.It was not completely reliable,but,as all the Lancisti,I tended to love my Gamma and I am thinking to buy another one one day.My Gamma is still on the road,owned by a collector. I had also two Delta 2,a 5 door HF and a Hpe HF and I can say that one of the best cars I have ever had was the ugly K coupè,a 5 cylinder 2.0 liter turbo,that was a perfect car.The same I can say about the Thesis,that was a V6 3.0 liter. I agree with your description of the story of Lancia,but in the last 20 years Fiat spent a lot of money in the wrong way to save Lancia. Sergio Marchionne was a great finance manager but he understood nothing about cars.The results of his choiches are evident with Lancia but also with Alfa Romeo. After Marchionne Alfa was reduced to two models,the Giulia and the Stelvio,both with few engines and in one version. I don't consider the third Alfa,the 4C (I have one,I had I ride today with her) because even if I adore her,is probably the only car that is not at all useful.It is just a big toy,but you can't do anything with her,if not driving around for fun which is a great thing for a petrolhead but is a nonsense for a car maker. When mr.Marchionne said that the Lancia brand had no more appeal,he forgot that in all the world the word Integrale is still well known,and he lost the greatest opportunity to revive Lancia saying no to the Fulvia Coupè of 2003,that was a little masterpiece with people ready to buy one everywhere. Marchionne was the same man that,when the actual Fiat 500 was launched as a show car in 2004 as the Trepiuno,didn't want to produce her,and it had been a very hard task to convince him that that little car,rebadged 500,was to became a huge success. Lancia was very ill,but the final her final killer was Sergio Marchionne,a man for whom I have a real simpathy and admiration,but that was not the best as a car maker. And when he decided to replace Montezemolo with himself at Ferrari,he did other disasters. Compare the Montezemolo-Ferrari results with those of the Marchionne-Ferrari in F1 and you'll understand.
@dusankocisevic6823
@dusankocisevic6823 4 месяца назад
Fulvia coupe, WHAT A MISSED OPORTUNITY………. 💚🙄💔
@alanthomson1227
@alanthomson1227 Год назад
In early eighties my partner had a coupe and an HPE , both amazing cars .
@kayserbondor
@kayserbondor Год назад
I had bought a 1600 Beta saloon and fortunately included a full Zeibart protection, a local Lancia garage bought it back at a good price as they wanted safe cars to sell to customers with rust problems. Great pity as it was a lovely saloon which I never got to really enjoy.
@peterkleinveld9705
@peterkleinveld9705 Год назад
The departure of Ir. Ghidella as manager of the car department and the last car man within Fiat was a blow which they never really recovered from. Under his stewardship FIAT had a renaissance and Lancia made some profit. He understood the position of Lancia and made the best of it. The take over of Alfa and the intern struggle of power drove Ghidella out.
@mikesage9544
@mikesage9544 Год назад
Me thinks we will see the shield once more. In the nearest of futures. However, my guess is it will be an EV product only. Just a feeling..........Best wishes from the Forest of Blackness, Mike
@Tourist1967
@Tourist1967 Год назад
Perhaps a touch of the British Leylands - natural competitors under the same roof. Triumph/Rover, Lancia/Alfa. One eventually dwindles.
@piotrmalewski8178
@piotrmalewski8178 Год назад
The biggest general problem for the whole Fiat group, is that they rather delete models than invest in development. As a result you have nothing to buy. Just look in the past. Even the Fiat itself could go toe to toe with BMW, but now there is just no range of cars to choose from. Moving to standarised front wheel drive garbage for costs saving, was another blow. If you want to make a quality sports car, it just needs to be rear wheel drive.
@peterkleinveld9705
@peterkleinveld9705 Год назад
@@piotrmalewski8178 Indeed revolution instead of evolution.
@gbspikyfish
@gbspikyfish Год назад
5:42 That Fulvia. Stunning.
@paulboyle6857
@paulboyle6857 Год назад
Such a shame when one recalls their amazing race/rally heritage.I will long remember standing in the Forest of Dean at dead of night & hearing the Stratos approaching from about a mile away! Later I owned two Beta HPE,s & they were great.I always wanted a Thema Turbo but ended up with a Fiat Chroma which,in all fairness, was,nt bad,Also we had an italian car specialist in Harrow where I used to live.
@VickersV
@VickersV Год назад
Great video, my employer in Birmingham in the early ninety got a delta intergrala turbo, I was blown away the power of it, I really miss cars like that. Thanks again
@grahamwalker6395
@grahamwalker6395 Год назад
I had 5 Lancias including 2 Betas, 1 HPE and Gamma coupe and they were all great cars. I even managed to find and buy back the Gamma after 10 years but had to part with again due to a divorce. I've tried to find it again but I think it's gone to the great scrap yard in the sky! I've also driven a Thema turbo, Montecarlo, Y10 and a Trevi.
@Chrissurfs
@Chrissurfs Год назад
Thank you. I owned a 1991 Delta. 1500 hundred miles from new it needed a new engine. After that the car got gremlins. It wasn't the only one, the dealer was full of brand-new Deltas with problems. I dont remember ever being so happy to sell a car. When it did work, it worked wonderfully.
@zeustanbul
@zeustanbul Год назад
The Delta III is subjectively a very handsomely and cleverly designed car. I owned one for more than a year and sold it a few months ago and it was always a conversation starter around the city. Quite reliable car as well. It was a Fiat under the hood obviously but it was definitely something to look at. I think it’s design still stands as one of the most beautiful modern c-segment hatchbacks today.
@CassetteComeback
@CassetteComeback Год назад
As an English Italian myself, it is sad. My first car was a Y10 back in the 90s. What's happening to mass market Italian cars is sad too. They have no place in the modern world. People bought Italian cars for their looks, performance and "brio" on the whole. Now everything is going hybrid and EV, unfortunately, there's no place for performance from glorious engines like Busso's. Add to that, that SUVs and crossovers are what the market "wants" and there goes beautiful cars. That's why I can't see there being anything other than fiat 500 variants being sold by Italy soon...no need for a beautiful suit, when everyone is wearing track suits. Saying that, if they took the Giulia Cloverleaf, gave it 4WD, tweaked the interior and put a Delta like body in it and called it the integrale, I'd bite. Keep up the great videos.
@tinman7551
@tinman7551 Год назад
That opening music from the news at 10 really brought me back. Wow.😊
@manosparavida3551
@manosparavida3551 Год назад
A friend and I both bought 1600 Beta coupe's a couple of weeks apart in about 1988 ish. Mine was burgundy and his was a kind of, off green. Great memories, barring the cambelt snapping on mine hour's after a spontaneous purchase. I recall the interior's being far more opulent than any other production car of their price range.
@mtlb2674
@mtlb2674 Год назад
I have 2009 Lancia Delta, had 2004 Alfa Romeo 156 before. Great cars both, reliable, beautifull and fun to drive. Hope both of these car makers will have a bright future.
@philip2639
@philip2639 Год назад
Great video as usual. It was a Lancia Delta HPE that started my love for Italian vehicles. Despite its various flaws, the driving experience was on another level than what I had previously experienced. Since those days, there have been a series of Fiat's and Alfa Romeo but it will always be a Lancia that holds a special place in my love of cars.
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Thanks Philip!! Glad you enjoyed the video
@malcolmmorton989
@malcolmmorton989 Год назад
The Gamma coupe is one of the most beautiful designs I've seen . I got to appreciate that when I was climbing over them in the local scrapyard.
@user-pt1ow8hx5l
@user-pt1ow8hx5l Год назад
then you started rescuing them?????,...
@martinrichardhorrocks9869
@martinrichardhorrocks9869 Год назад
@@user-pt1ow8hx5l How to lose a lot of money....
@jcrarsenio
@jcrarsenio Год назад
Between 1976 and 1983 my father owned a Lancia Beta HPE 1600cc metallic silver with green fabric interiors. It was a magnificent beautiful and stylish designed car and probably the first shooting break concept car ever made. The sound of the engine was marvelous, the driving was exciting and because it was a rare car to be seen anywhere (we had it in Germany and in the USA) it caught the attention of everyone. As I told my father once, for us to have the same impact on the streets today as we did back then with our Lancia, we would have to around with a Maserati GT or some Ferrari model. Unfortunately, it must also be said that it was a quite challenging car from the technical and material point of view. The misfunctions of this and that were constant, and the appearance of rust was guaranteed. Nevertheless, when we think of all the cars that we´ve had in our family throughout the many years, it is our Lancia Beta that holds all the trophies as the vehicle that most struck in every way. For that reason, I too feel the sorrow for seeing what has happened to this great car brand and do hope that one day Lancia makes a glorious comeback.
@boboneleg
@boboneleg Год назад
Thank you for that explanation. As someone who has owned four Lancias I'm appalled at what they've become .
@keithwhite7644
@keithwhite7644 Год назад
Breaks my heart to see how far the icon has fallen , have had them in various forms since I was 18 .. still have an Integrale that makes me smile every single day
@tetchuma
@tetchuma Год назад
There’s a guy in Dallas that used to bring his Lancia Scorpion (Montecarlo) to Cars N Coffees, but all the niche cars kept getting pushed out by any Mustang owners with any ability to install an exhaust kit or pinstripes… I once saw a red Toyota 2000GT racer with the leather hood straps and everything (easily a $1M car) attempt to get into the show, but was turned away because of too many *new Corvettes, Mustangs, Challengers and Camaros, taking up all the room. I stopped going shortly after. But I loved that Lancia!
@woodstockxx
@woodstockxx Год назад
Best race I ever had, was in my E30 325i Sport, against a Lancia Delta Integrale evolution..I only just won by a fanny hair but I will never forget the noises coming from that EVO..they sound AMAZING !
@mattiaspettersson788
@mattiaspettersson788 Год назад
The Delta was rebranded and sold as the SAAB-Lancia 600 in Sweden, Norway and Denmark during the early 1980’s. It was supposed to replace the SAAB 96 after its demise, but it never took off. The quality of the cars (especially when it came to rust protection) was so bad only a few of them has survived. Out of 6419 cars sold 159 was left 10 years ago. Out of these 159 cars, 12 was still in use. Because of the quality issues the prices on the second hand market fell off a cliff. A reporter used the headline ”You buy a SAAB - but sell a Lancia” to describe the situation.
@domtoni4567
@domtoni4567 Год назад
When I lived in Rome in 1971/2, I had a Flavia 1.8 Berlina, great car. Always wanted a 1.6HF Fulvia. An old Rome friend has a 1957 Aurelia spider that was used in a film in the late 1950s. Don't remember the name of it, but one night we were going to Trastevere on Lungotevere at 160 kph, through flashing yellow traffic lights. Thank God, traffic was light at that time of the evening 2220-2230.
@1968spikey
@1968spikey Год назад
This is fantastic Jack. Thank you for a much deserved insight into this unsung manufacturer. Top work.
@109-w7v
@109-w7v Год назад
I was lucky enough in the 90’s to own a red Integrale 16v. I still kick myself for selling it and even dream sometimes of finding it and buying it back! Currently on the waiting list for an LB Stratos. 🤞
@lner
@lner Год назад
In the mid-90s a Lancia dealer told me that a lot of BMW and Mercedes drivers bought Lancia because of the comfort and specially for the good seats. I had a 94 Lancia Delta HPE td 90pk and still regret that I sold it, a couple of years ago this car was for sale at € 500 but had no place to store it...
@simonalexandercritchley439
@simonalexandercritchley439 Год назад
My dad had Jags and Lancias here in New Zealand and our roads are not salted in winter at least in our part of the country but cars still rust as we mostly live near the coast with prevailing winds and predominantly temperate weather. He had a Fulvia 1.3 Rallye and a 70 or 71 2000 HF (belissima!) The first car I owned was an 83 Beta HPE 2.0L (2 year old) drove it every day till I had to sell due to 1987 stock market crash and 90's recession in 92. 2nd Lancia was an 82 Gamma 2.5 coupe later swapped for a 62 Flaminia 2.8 coupe.(sold to a collector and restored). The final car was a 77 HPE 2.0L (no power steer) with funky brown and hot orange interior. The last car was sold in 95, the final year new cars were available in N.Z. For all the minor faults (mostly electrical) like you could not have everything work all the time and the door catches needed adjusting, the struts on the HPE hatch became weak, fuel cap refused to unlock, windscreen wash motor failed etc I really do miss those cars. For the full story on why Lancia left rallying see Davide Cironi interviews Sergio Limone on YT.
@nunesaf
@nunesaf Год назад
One more comment :): Lancia has more than a badge. It has heritage that can inspire car designs. Albeit not endless, look at what Fiat has made with a single design, the Fiat 500 was re-invented. On a completely different scale, look at Lancia Delta Amos - the Lancia Delta Integrale futurist. At the moment I have an Alfa Romeo but I would love to be able to buy a Lancia Delta generation 4 (yet to be conceived).
@martinrichardhorrocks9869
@martinrichardhorrocks9869 Год назад
I don´t think so. All Lancias for the last 50 years have worn the badge but been built from FIAT components entirely. This includes the Stratos, which was a D´Allara skunk works design with a Dino engine and box. Anyone who remembers the glory days of Integrale WDCs would be comfortably in their mid 30s by now and a lot has happened since, none of it to improve Lancia´s market reach. It´s romantic wishful thinking to believe that the Lancia badge will have much intrinsic appeal to a wide audience in 2025 and Stellantis is already groaning with an oversupply of brands which don´t generate strong consumer identity or desire. Including Alfa Romeo.....
@aidanthomas4472
@aidanthomas4472 Год назад
Hi mate great video finally some great Lancia stuff on RU-vid. I remember That’s Life with Esther Rantzen destroying the Lancia brand over rust on what was a massively popular show at the time. That really hammered the nails down. I’d love to see vids on engines - Lampredi Twin cam, Alfa V6 etc. Also styling houses - Bertone, Pininfarina etc
@db111
@db111 Год назад
Excellent video , An Italian car manufacturer back in the day having problems for pursuing quality, who'd have thought?!!.I had three Beta coupes through the latter part of the 80s, 1.3, 2.0 & VX. Gorgeous to look at and fantastic to drive, such a shame to see them go the way they have, Seem to remember Thema shared floorpan with Croma and Saab 9000, Croma had rubbish sales to I think.
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 Год назад
The Thema, Chroma, 9000 and Alfa 164 all shared the Type 4 platform - I think the FIAT and Lancia also shared doors.
@peterstokes8631
@peterstokes8631 Год назад
Hi Jack, good balanced video. Just to correct the Beta bit, they were launched in 72 originally and the issue with the subframe was only on the early Saloons, it was fixed for by the time the Coupe/Spider and HPE were launched in 74 is my understanding.
@atoz3570
@atoz3570 Год назад
Correct..... The thickness of the steel used to make the bracket that attached the rear of the subframe to the bulkhead was too thin and rusted away more quickly and failed. Engines never fell out, just the subframe with the engine dropped...
@stargazeronesixseven
@stargazeronesixseven Год назад
Lancia Delta Integrale HF 🇮🇹 is still one of my favourite car >>> Totally enjoy this informative & Classy presentation indeed! 🙏 Thank You So Much Number 27 for the effort & for sharing! Stay Safe & Stay Healthy Sir! 🌷🌿🌍💜🕊
@johnmoncrieff3034
@johnmoncrieff3034 Год назад
Having owned 2 Lancia Delta's they were the best handling road cars I have ever had! They were only the 1.4L engined models but nothing could keep up with them on the country roads in Scotland! Golf GTi's were faster on the straights but not a match in the twisty bits, of which there are many! It was only the ludicrous cost of minor rust repairs that made me sell!
@mvm9407
@mvm9407 Год назад
I Still own a Delta LX series 1, the one with the 1,3 Lampredi engine. It may just have 75 bhp, but it's such a thrill to drive it on sinuous mountain roads! ...Alas, rust is an issue.
@Tourist1967
@Tourist1967 Год назад
Lancia HPEs and Montecarlos were superb. No more rust problems than any other car of the era. That noise when you turned the key.....electric windows could be a little iffy though.
@dumptrump3788
@dumptrump3788 Год назад
8:15 I like your comment about rust & how German cars managed to get away with it. I remember the Beta story, which was also the time when VW Beetles would snap in half, Scirrocos would crumble away before your eyes, Mercedes would rust but NOT develop holes because the metal was so thick which made them very slow & heavy & the only reason Porsche 911s didn't rust is so many of them never got chance, usually being sideways in a ditch after spinning out, before the paint had time to dry.
@godfreyfarao4972
@godfreyfarao4972 Год назад
Growing up (even till this day), there has only been 3 cars I have been obsessed about. A Porsche 911, Lancia Stratos and Lancia Delta Integrale HP... Since my childhood and teenage years Lancia just got my blood pumping along with Porsche... Mind you, I grew up in Apartheid South Africa as a person of colour and the Stratos had a production run of only 500 units and the Integrale was only left hand produced (here we are right hand drive)... Irrespective of the odds, Lancia still captured my heart with hose two models...
@bruinsremco
@bruinsremco Год назад
Thank you for your excellent explanation of the reasons for Lancia's demise. The D50 might have been the start of Lancia's downfall, but it was also the most gloriously beautiful F1 car ever made.
@targaflorio3239
@targaflorio3239 Год назад
Great breakdown. My late father loved Lancia. Owned a Beta from new. Even back then it was way ahead of its time. And no rust on this one.
@hiibuddiie
@hiibuddiie Год назад
I’m 26. Basically saying I missed the era of Lancia. I love racing games so Lancia has always showed it’s face somewhere. I absolutely adore their car designs. Undeniably have some of the greatest gems in their collection and it’s sad to they’ll never get a chance to revive the brand. P.S. The Fulvia Coupe Rallye is one of the most beautiful cars ever created!
@seniorchef7840
@seniorchef7840 Год назад
Had a Lancia Thema for a while until the clutch wore out and I couldn't find a replacement. Good performance, but I had to hold on to the steering wheel very tightly because it had a tendency to shake itself from my grip when I hit the accelerator. Very comfortable car, fitted with equipment like electric sunroof that were extras on other makes and models. Fond memories.
@maurizioferrari7113
@maurizioferrari7113 Год назад
I am an electronic engineer who was working for Magneti Marelli on engine control firmware in Bologna in the early '90s. When the first camouflaged series 2 Delta arrived, we were quite anxious to see what would the series one Delta successor be like. I vividly remember the WTF moment when we looked at that 'thing'. I think that the history of what Fiat turned Lancia into is an example of how an incompetent management succesfully snatched irrelevance from the jaws of past glory...
@Robert-n9d9l
@Robert-n9d9l 3 месяца назад
I’m restoring a 62 Appia Coupé and busy dismantling it now. Impressed with the quality of the components and how well put together it was for a hand assembled car.
@lunabouch
@lunabouch Год назад
Wonderful and concise commentary on the loss of LANCIA.
@DavidMcBeth-xv9lq
@DavidMcBeth-xv9lq Год назад
Thanks for this. Nice to see a wider perspective of Lancia and the contributions that the other marques had to it's sagging sales and reputation.
@jozsefizsak
@jozsefizsak Год назад
We had a dealer in the neighborhood in the 60s and I was frequently in there looking at the cars and picking up brochures. I particularly liked the Fulvia Sport 1.3 Zagato. I've seen perhaps three of them on the road in fifty years along with a very few Fulvia coupes. Rust was a very big problem in this climate with road salt even back then. I still love those cars but they're just not around any more to be restored.
@zippy4166
@zippy4166 Год назад
Ace Video Jack as you know im half Sicilian and welcome any videos you do on Italian cars, especially historic videos. Very well done mate (Si from Bath)
@mattdedasc
@mattdedasc Год назад
What a great video. Bravissimo. We must have parallel stories. I was born in Valtellina in 1977 and have lived abroad more than I lived in Italy
@themottoist5659
@themottoist5659 8 месяцев назад
Thanks! Informative and passionate. I had a Beta berlina and later a Thema turbo and remember both cars with great affection.
@simonhodgetts6530
@simonhodgetts6530 Год назад
Excellent video Jack. I’ve always been greatly saddened by the demise of Lancia in the Uk - it’s a car marque I always hoped I’d own an example of. The re-badged Chryslers was a particular low point. I could never understand why FIAT couldn’t do more with the brand - after all, they could have always made luxury cars to sit above Alfa Romeo - but I guess with the Maserati brand in the FIAT stable at the time, made the marketplace too overcrowded. I hope that Stellantis can make something of the brand, but I fear that all we’ll get will be badge-engineered electric SUVs from the Stellantis stable………
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Thanks Simon.. fully agree with what you say.. such a shame
@Jack-tx2ve
@Jack-tx2ve Год назад
Jack, that was really well presented, I feel we can only really celebrate what Lancia were in the past and not what they will become. Hopefully I am wrong but I feel the best days for every car manufacturer are now in the past. I own two Lancia's (Delta mk1 turbo and Y10 turbo). If I had the space I would also like a Kappa with the 20v turbo engine. I have a Fiat coupe 20v turbo with the same engine, it is fantastic.
@bluebobx
@bluebobx Год назад
Nice one.🥰 At one point my dad had a Gamma, mum and sister identical Y10 Turbos, and I a Delta GTie (later got an 8v Delta Integrale). I hate the soulless Chrysler rebadgings, want a proper Lancia. Still got the HFie badge on my keyring, and an Intergrale wheelcap (with the logo). Sigh! 😢
@matthewlok3020
@matthewlok3020 Год назад
You mentioned of Merc’s rust issues, and they got away with it rather lightly. I’d love a talk from you about this very subject
@Rich77UK
@Rich77UK Год назад
Mercedes rust started when they hooked up with Chrysler. They have never quite been the same again IMHO.
@htimsid
@htimsid Год назад
@@Rich77UK As far as I remember they had rust and paint problems long before Chrysler.
@gwilymmorgan5115
@gwilymmorgan5115 Год назад
I had a Delta Integrale. It was a great car, but you shouldn't need to put up any car on a ramp, to check (never mind replace) the indicator bulbs.
@giovannibez9509
@giovannibez9509 Год назад
Well made video. The irony is that Lancia with 1 model sold in Italy sell more than Alfa in Europe
@planetx5269
@planetx5269 Год назад
I have a 1976 Lancia Bata HPE. It's a sports wagon and it's beautiful, handles great and sounds wonderfulI've had it many years and would never sell it. Their is a mystic about it and people love it's so cool! I loved your video.Please get back to me. Thanks.
@archiegoodwinjr
@archiegoodwinjr Год назад
Thank you for this concise refresher. I fondly recall the family Aurelia and, later, my own elegantly proportioned Fulvia Rally with sewing machine sized motor. I wonder what an EV generation Lancia could be.
@alanhindmarch4483
@alanhindmarch4483 Год назад
I became addicted to Lancia in 1982 when I bought my first Lancia, a 1978 HPE 1.6 in White. Since then all I wanted was Lancia, until Fiat withdrew Lancia almost entirely from the market. Up until probably the year 2000, Lancia had never built an ugly car.
@MrProvinspoul
@MrProvinspoul Год назад
I have owned two Lancia Beta coupes, one from 1976 and one from 1978 and I miss them to this day, great car to drive and the sound is so cool
@mohammadzein504
@mohammadzein504 Год назад
Thank you for the historical recapture! It's a sad story indeed. Totally enjoying your content! I've been binge watching your Influenzo Saga and Bismerc videos. You definitely deserve more subscribers! Keep up the good work Sir✌✌👏
@gordonkachuk5457
@gordonkachuk5457 Год назад
This is such a sad tale. My last Lancia was the Thema 8.32, what a gem at the time. And the workmanship and detail to interior workmanship was unprecedented. The deep roar of the Ferrari V8 in comparison to the tinny sounding 308 and 328's. Again how sad. FIAT please resurrect this marvellous brand.
@TrazomGV
@TrazomGV Год назад
Thank you for this remarkable story! We discussed among friends lately Lancia cars a lot and I almost purchased Thesis second hand. I was fascinated with its so Italian design of interior and identity of its original outside look. Unfortunately maintenence appeared to be expensive and problematic, so I bought Toyota with similar fancy cabin. Anyway, ci sono alcuni sospiri ogni volta quando posso vedere una Thesis alle strade vicine, facendo mi imaginare come bello sembra fare un giro qualche volta con una machina cosi speciale. Grazie!
@drink4711
@drink4711 Год назад
Thanks for the wonderful story! I never knew Lancia competed in Formula 1. By the way, I would not be surprised if they preserve the brand name for a future revival.
@martinhogg5337
@martinhogg5337 Год назад
Very interesting and informative! Seems to be parallels between Italian motor industry and the UK with British Leyland.
@pyoung168
@pyoung168 Год назад
In 1982 I bought a brand new Zagato here in the states. Even though there was no dealer network to speak of and the car had significant torque steer I loved it and drove it as my fair weather car (always with roof and/or soft targa down!). After 4 years I sold it (first child arrived) to a guy half way across the US for $2000 less than I paid for. I’ve had FIATs, Lancia, Alfa Romeo and Ferrari, they all were great fun to drive, got looks and had good to great resale (kept in good running and cosmetic shape)…viva Italy! Another interesting discussion, thanks!
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Thanks for watching and for your memories chap!!
@justinbrown6558
@justinbrown6558 Год назад
Very interesting Jack. Really enjoyed watching this! Discussing the history, provenance and culture surrounding these cars is far more interesting than a road test on a new car. 👍🏻👍🏻
@mrdainase
@mrdainase Год назад
I really enjoyed that. You gave a very interesting take on Lancia's fortunes, and it's is a crying shame how such a fantastic name has fallen so far.
@leewilliams4541
@leewilliams4541 Год назад
Hands up who else has been pronouncing Lancia wrong. Great insight to the history, thanks Jack.
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Thanks Lee!!
@TeamCGS2005
@TeamCGS2005 Год назад
Lancia, one of my favourite car manufactures of all time....
@nomdeplume798
@nomdeplume798 Год назад
In the early '80s I left the Vauxhall dealer l worked at just as their sales were taking off with the Astra and Cavalier to move to a Ford dealer just as the successful Cortina was replaced by the much disliked Sierra. As the Sierra and FWD Escort started to pick up sales l decided to move to a higher volume manufacturer, er, Lancia. Did I say higher volume? That's not really what I meant. The truth is I loved the way they looked. Even the base 1.3 Delta seemed a cut above the Escorts and Astras. The 1.6 had a Twin Cam engine as opposed to the opposition's single cam motors. There was just something about them. They were the kind of car I'd have bought. Unfortunately, the local population didn't agree. My company car was a White Hen Turbo which was a mixed bag. Interesting styling which predicted the FIAT Cinquecento and a revvy engine from the same source, but the carburettor and Garrett turbocharger didn't like each other so if you wanted the performance you had to be in a gear lower than you wanted in order to get the turbo spinning. But when it went, it really went. So they were flawed but interesting.. The rest of the world were smoother and it took until the arrival of the Golf GTI to make the rest seem interesting. Unless you drove a Citroën.
@jzlnz
@jzlnz Год назад
Great video as always. I love the series when you talk about the collapse of British motor industry and Italian motor industry. Please do for Alfa Romeo - my grandfather use to have one, what a beautiful car. Love from 🇲🇾
@giancarlobordoni8671
@giancarlobordoni8671 Год назад
Fiat, Lancia and Alfa Romeo lost their identity. The worst was to badged Chrysler cars as Lancia. Genial Marchionne!
@fightefx
@fightefx Год назад
I drove an alpha during my university years. it was a hell of an car, very fast, I loved it. I learned a lot about cars due to constant repairs that I did largely with my friends.
@adriancoppola3729
@adriancoppola3729 Год назад
Bravo bello! Nice to hear Lancia pronounced properly!! (Born in Edinburgh-but Italian father! Lol) Lancia produced some fabulous innovative cars as Top Gear did feature in one of their programmes. Lovely to see you flying the flag for them!
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Oh cool! Thanks Adrian and a wave to Scotland!
@aston-martin-internationalist
Fascinating Jack, excellent presentation, thank you!
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you i
@gulfstream7235
@gulfstream7235 Год назад
Thoroughly enjoyed that.... cheers.
@6rimR3ap3r
@6rimR3ap3r Год назад
My very first car was in fact a Lancia - and that being German is pretty unusual in itself. Sadly it wasn't one of Lancia's greatest, far from it. It was a 1999 Y 1.2 16V elefantino rosso - an 86hp Alcantara dressed quirky Fiat Punto. But I loved it, apart from being broken all the time.
@PhilipDjaferis
@PhilipDjaferis Год назад
It was Alfa Romeo insiders to force Lancia to becoming an Italian Cadillac (at its worst) instead of its true DNA...and Marchione buying it hook, line and sinker...by the way, I've owned a Prisma, a Thema 2.0 Turbo SW, a Lybra 2.0 SW (incredible build quality) and currently a Delta 1.8 Di (Delta III) which shows the drop in quality from the Lybra pretty starkly...its saving grace is the engine ;-)
@GTDpowah
@GTDpowah Год назад
I still drive a series 3 Delta and I like it very much. Mine is a 1.9 190hp twin turbo diesel with 230.000km and still going strong. It's comfy and very well sound proofed. Not to mention that it very pretty (at least in my book). :) I am pretty confident that I will never again drive such a good car for such a small amount of money.
@ImissSaganCarl
@ImissSaganCarl Год назад
Your videos are superb. Especially this one. It makes me both angry and sad when I think about what happened to Lancia. Small minor note: Your subtitle should be "1969 FIAT OWNERSHIP".
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Thanks chap, great you enjoyed it!
@B_Shira
@B_Shira Год назад
Basically FIAT didn't knew what to do with Lancia and it became a redundant brand. Unfortunately, with the new Stellantis group, the forecast is also dire and there are just too many brands under the same umbrella...
@geoffnorton9279
@geoffnorton9279 Год назад
Yet another brilliant video Jack!
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Thanks Geoff!!
@shawtaylor4017
@shawtaylor4017 Год назад
i so love your "piece to camera" history content - you were born to do it
@shawtaylor4017
@shawtaylor4017 Год назад
i love your history lecture series - it is your "sweet spot" - - - - - you were born to tell us all about the motor industry - - - i love it
@forestfirestarter
@forestfirestarter Год назад
Love the videos ! Its obvious the recalled cars should have been repaired instead of scrapped .
@ktuzunalp
@ktuzunalp Год назад
Hi, thank you for the video. I was also born in Milan in 1967 and then spent some time in Germany and finaled in Turkey at the end. I am still driving a thirty one years old Fiat Tempra SX at 290.000 km on the digital clock. I am driving it for the last twenty years, approximately 10.000 km per year. -- In my opinion, Lancia was more of the victim of Fiat rather than Alfa. Because Fiat was struggling in the mid-sized family car segment with Regata. Then they decided to get the Lancia Dedra's platform to build Fiat's Tempra, Tipo, and Alfa 155. How I concluded this, because my Tempra's original spare parts are mostly labeled as Lancia. So, Lancia died, it became a donor for Fiat and Alfa. By the aid of the reasonable quality of Lancia spare parts, Tempra can be considered as a success, and was produced in four countries including Brasilia, south America (pls remember Barrichello driving Tempra turbo). Tempra was produced over 120.000 in Turkey, some were also exported. The Tipo variant was also available on the same platform with all Lancia spare parts too. My conclusion, Lancia's dead body carried Fiat one step further. After ceasing Tempra-Tipo production, Fiat tried next generations with Bravo, Brava, Marea, Grande Punto based Linea, and Egea (New Tipo in EU, Dodge Neon in America) but I think, none of these new models were succesful enough for Fiat to remain as an independent car manufacturer, sadly...
@Number27
@Number27 Год назад
Thanks for your thoughts and memories… interesting stuff!
@ktuzunalp
@ktuzunalp Год назад
@@Number27 You welcome. PS: I am sorry that I have corrected one issue in my comment, Tempra was produced over 120.000 in Turkey (not one million Tempra's). Indeed, the Turkish TOFAS factory's one millionth car was a Tempra. TOFAS factory produced Fiat 124's, 131's, Tempra's, Tipo's, and Uno's until then.
@JohnnoDordrecht
@JohnnoDordrecht Год назад
I saw the Stratos by a dealer in real life , i thought it was from outer space
@frossetti74
@frossetti74 Год назад
Again a nice and sharp video. Actually, the exact Sport team of Lancia who worked and won in rallies with Lancia Delta Integrale was shifted to Alfa Romeo DTM. And they won in Germany against merc Benz sport. The mechanic and transmission of the Alfa DTM was the exact copy of the Delta Integrale 4WD transmission. And someone said even Toyota Celica Rally 4WD suspensions were copied from Delta Integrale Rally of the end of 1980s.
@1982valeriu
@1982valeriu Год назад
Great Rough Rider/Buggy Champs at your sides! FIAT hosed Lancia a number of times, including stopping the evolution of the Stratos in favour of their own 131 Abarth. Great episode btw!
@ollycollie
@ollycollie Год назад
Really good video, enjoyed it hugely, even though the story is a desperately sad one of misadventure and neglect. In my dream garage a Fulvia would be a definite addition, I love their styling.
@dantheman7357
@dantheman7357 Год назад
Hi Jack, thanks for the great video. Extremely well presented and interesting. Some of the Lancias were nice looking designs. Wish I had one now.
@kevinjekyll1521
@kevinjekyll1521 Год назад
I always looked at Lancia as a premium Italian car maker. I own 2 Fiat Coupe 20vt's, the engine unit etc. is from Lancia, I was lucky enough to see in person a mint Lancia Delta, wow what a stunner. I always felt sad that Lancia became a heart wrenching ugly duck, but I think Fiat and its sub brands in general were on the decline as well. I wish there was more passion now than just trying to make a profit. Thanks for the insight, I did realise Lancia was in formular 1, I guess that passion really didn't pay off...
@martinrichardhorrocks9869
@martinrichardhorrocks9869 Год назад
You have this the wrong way round. The engine in your Fiat Coupé is 100% FIAT . The last Lancia engine was produced for the Gamma in the early 70s and was disastrous. Since then everything mechanical in a Lancia has been FIAT-sourced, though sometimes Lancia got to differentiate suspension design.
@mscd9676
@mscd9676 Год назад
"the awful series 2 delta" kind of hit me, I have one and it was such a fun thing that I decided to put a fiat bravo 2.0 inline 5 in it
@Thecarman1994
@Thecarman1994 Год назад
Great report, thanks.
@terminus8444
@terminus8444 Год назад
Recent subscriber to the channel. I must say that I really appreciate and enjoy your love and enthusiasm for all things automotive! Your presentations/insights regarding many of these classic beauties is quite a joy. One can see the unmitigated fun and excitement that you are experiencing while giving us the great sights and sounds of motoring greatness! I also really enjoyed your Ferrari restoration journey, I could at times feel your pain a bit too close to home. ;) As to this videos topic, Lancia; I have always been a fan of the Stratos. Such a beautiful machine! Keep up the great work, and cheers from the U.S. of A! ✌
@lets_measure_it
@lets_measure_it Год назад
hi, thanks for the video. apart from the general enjoyment , i always learn something from your videos.
@pauldaviesvoiceover
@pauldaviesvoiceover Год назад
Fascinating and tragic story, well told!
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