How THE GOA'ULD Changed - LORE EVOLUTION 

looks interesting and has tons of protentional

Please make a video about Ghost Recon?

@@pyeitme508 Honestly I have no thoughts at all about Ghost Recon haha

hey, how do you combine lovecraftian with slasher movie? For myself i see lovecraftian horror as the total opposite of slasher/gore which are two genres i'm no fan of.

@@StefanKirchberg Well you'll have to see the movie haha

I think the helmets were most functional as ceremonial garbs for guards on subdued worlds where the people believed the goa'uld to be gods, their large silhouettes and red eyes being an intimidating symbol of divine power. But in actual combat they look cumbersome and impractical, inhibiting movement and making them large targets for anyone with a gun. Even with the suspension of disbelief, how can you expect a group of people to dominate the galaxy when they disregard such obvious tactical flaws. I think the shows' creators moved away from elaborate armor in favor of realism.

They... don't? In Season 8 they even had fully animated Jackals dealing with Ra's forces, and having the budget.

@@hassathunter2464 what episode in season 8?

@@Jadedog2001 Pretty sure it was during the timetravel episodes at the very end of the Season.

I thought the movie helmets were awesome. They also cast some truly intimidating actors and I felt the Jaffa never felt as menacing again.

Yep, it does... detail that were never added due to low budget. Not to mention constant nerfs to everyone, but Tau'ri, that resulted in each smaller remnant state somehow being more dangerous.

Yeah, and that's where they were lazy. Oh, we don't have to use Ancient Egypt, that would take far too long, so let's just make up a Goa'uld language and a Jaffa language. For every other situation let's just make them speak English. Jonathan Glassner & Brad Wright were the guys who brought "Stargate" to television. Dean Devlin & Roland Emmerich hated what they did with it. Of course, they didn't have much say in it, since MGM owned the rights. Jonathan Glassner left after Season 3 and by Season 5 the dynamics had shifted more to ship Jack/Sam rather than stay with the natural chemistry between Jack and Daniel, Jack and Teal'c, Teal'c and Daniel, Teal'c and Sam, etc, etc. RDA left the show completely in Season 9, but his production company, Gekko Films, had stopped production before then.

@@laurahealy2163 I am glad they stop wasting money people speaking in different languages for the aliens

@@brucenadeau1280 You're missing the point here. As a fan of the movie, I stopped watching "Stargate SG-1" because the only chance I had to view it was the latter half of Season 1. Believe me, there were several episodes that were crap. "Farscape" on the other hand, addressed this concern by having DRD's inject microbs into John Crighton's brain. Now, I'm not a "Farscape" vs. "Stargate SG-1". Because later on, when they announced Dr. Daniel Jackson was returned to the show, I watched all the old episodes. But, the point still remains...

I actually loved how they put Teal'c, a Jaffa warrior, in. That was a variable that absolutely worked! Then they introduced us to the Asgard, the Nox, the Ancients (early version, later version sucked), and even more "primitive" races like the Unas. But what they did wrong was several things, like making up a language for the Goa'uld and then having their Jaffa -- with absolutely no training -- learning how to speak American English fluently. One thing that did bother me was they made up a character and put her into the story...

@Kamil Gregor Correct but it`s a common misconception.

Glad someone mentioned this.

Ya it didn't sound right unless that was a difference between the movie and series but I don't think it was

@@josephroszell it was. The show implied that the gods stole their guises from earth gods which made 0 sense even then.

I just got to say that the limited budget thing is probably the only thing that stopped it from achieving it's full potential. Such a shame that money killed a franchise that could've stood alongside titans like Star Wars and Star Trek if given enough to reach that height.

Well the show implied that gould tech was like the gould themselves, heavily focused on using others. Hataks and staff weapons and the like were pribably all just designed off of some ancient tech the early gould found after they started using the gates. And simce they were pretty much unchallenged other than esch other for millinia, they just stick with what they have. Although ur right, with all the stuff Baal does in the show youd think hed have overthrown everyone else with mad scientist stuff.

personally I always prefer ra to be the last of his race. but they should had move the Goal as another race that serve as Ra admistrators for the varies system he control. Once he died the system lord battle among each other to take Ra place on the top of the empire@@ianmckee4726

Meh, it was made pretty clear that the Goa'uld were scavengers and all their tech was acquired or stolen. Indeed, it's also suggested that their identities as old Earth gods were also stolen. They came along, adopted the persona's of these human gods and used those persona's to rule. They lacked the technological capacity or creativity to come up with new ideas, identities or designs. Possibly a few in the past were clever enough to create the whole "Egyptian themed tech" but they were few and far between, so all the other System Lords just used the same models.

To be entirely fair they didn't have all that many genuinely brilliant minds or designers so my personal explanation was that they had to mostly rely on one or two guys. Besides. They constructed those things from space Lego using slave labour and regularly tried to pinch talent from eachother so intercompitability is rather important. As for standing next to Trek and Star Wars, I'd argue that's 1) Not necessarily a good thing (Just consider the excessive amount of dud seasons of ST) and 2) Impossible, because SG is, without trying to be pretentious here, several times more morally complex than either of those.

Baal? As in Bocce?

While it's (I think?) openly stated the Goa'uld are scavengers, Nirrti is more ambitious and tries to pursue her own technological advantages (she was also the one working on personal cloaking tech). Probably out of necessity to give her an edge, as I recall she was a "lesser" Goa'uld in terms of a smaller empire and army.

Amen!

Right up with the changes to buffy

@@kreaturekie6753 That's a great comparison! I love the classic Buffy movie, but I also love Joss Whedon's TV series and the follow-up comic series.

@@joshuaewalker look at the info on buffy the movie for a surprise

@@kreaturekie6753 i dont think you can really compare Buffy and Stargate as Buffy was made by Joss all the way, they never really changed anything other than "dusting" but they gave an extended budget to the series and played the vampire corpses as a joke at the end (of the movie) with the principal giving them detention,

I would have preferred they just make the Goa'uld different things all together.

@@RowanJColeman Darn it. Now I thinking about how Ra could have been from the race of the gate builders and the Goa'uld could have been even more parasitic in the way they take technology for their own use. Maybe the Goa'uld could have been responsible for the extinction of Ra's people. So many fanfic ideas.

@@ToonamiT0M I like your idea that the Goa'uld used Ra's people as hosts in order to steal their tech. That would actually make SG1 more consistent with the original movie.

That's O'neall... With two LL's!

nope Atlantis for sure

(Cough) Universe

Which couldn't exist without STARGATE. The movie is an incredibly unique look at aliens and gave us 17 seasons of Stargate based mythology. Even Stargate Origins was fun. Id really love to see a new Stargate but hundreds of years maybe 500 years into the future to see the SGC if it survived and the Tokra ect

I dont agree, i think Babylon 5 is the best Science -fiction -series ever created ... And since we are talking about series ... The bad self declared nerd- sitcome "the big bang theory" is really bad with bad jokes and some really weird hollywood propaganda with hate spread against nerds, minorities and women... So no woulder they would bash the best or one of the best science-ficiton series of all time " Babylon 5 " everything that shitloud of series never will be " THe big bang of failed writers with some really masculinity - insecurity-complex " .

@@majormononoke8958 : I didn't watch very many episodes of Babylon 5. Perhaps by coincidence I saw the worst few episodes and gave up. But I'm curious... for what reasons do you consider Babylon5 the best science-fiction series ever created? And perhaps give me a list of the 5 best episodes for me to watch to balance off the stinkers I happened to see. Thanks.

max bootstrap ok, first Babylon 5 has a story and plot that carries through all the series and movies, there is no " after the episode all it normal again" like the star trek and stargate franchise, that makes the the events in each episode more relevant and impactfull. In Babylon 5 we see all perspectives of the different people/ aliens, though some get more focus obviously... Secondly the characters all develop through the series with the viewer, some more to positive, some other to more sad ends. Than we have all this different factions that fight for their interesses and are not some bunch of brainless zombies with no personalities, all aliens seem to be different and dont look like humanoid monkeys from USA and Canada. We see the people struggle, they speak their mind and are not emotionless glorified people, that suffer in silent and are perfect in everything and win against the highest odds over and over again without any lose. IT doesnt forget the problems of its characters after just an episode in which it was topic... IT explores the problem of social together in many aspects ... IT explores the different races and their societies... IT has 1 + music score, seriously it is great ... The series is a bit pixeled but the animation, ship desing, etc. looks great, unique and mysterious ... It respects its characters and doesnt constantly underburrows them like certain star trek character -> example worf,etc. ... The story isnt a glorrification of US- Military- policies and invations and of course global police interventions ... And in that instance, the story isnt about a future, where the people act like they are from our time and are hypocritial to assume how others should act in the future like in star trek. It feels real, but still is ficiton ... Acting is good to awesome, cant remember a part where i thought ... oh meh ... All aliens have personalities, even the backround characters have more personality than many of the main characters in other series, movies... Character interact between themselves and are not some side characters that only do stuff if the protagonist comes in contact with them like in some video games. The scenario feels real and crazy at the same time ... People actually can die... You literally feel the forces in the backround move their pieces ... ITs characters act for their principles and dont just forget about them ... You grow with the series and dont just get stuck with it in the past ... All planets look differently, and are not shot in the same wood in Canada... the Series deals with deep topics in all different areas ... The characters get to your heart... The weight of the events can be feelt by the viewer... Not just one Main character plus the supports cast ... All of the main are main ... Set desing makes sense and is good ... blablbabal How to watch ? From the Beginning, it is really important to watch it in order, so you dont miss something important and you realize and feel the development in the series and of the characters... Since the hole series has an plot over the entire series, even more ... Otherwise you probally wont get impact of the events, and the acting of the characters, tragedy,etc. hope i could help ...

@@majormononoke8958 they dont really visit planets on B5 so the Canadian woods reference is kind of a mute point, the planets we do see are all cgi shots even Earth. The series story plot only flows from seasons 1 - 4 with the finale being cut from season 4 and pasted on season 5. Though that is due in fact to the studio only giving a 5th season at the last minute, as for character deaths only three "main" characters die, of those three you only really care about two of them TW & MC. WK was forced in them by the network and JMS took great pleasure in killing him off The development of species has similar problems starting with the pilot movie and first season where the more alien looking Narn are the monster villians and the Centauri the victims, though the change to seap this sround was done masterfully For a list of must see episodes id say season 1 has some poor ones my personal favourites of season 1 Mind war, signs and portents, Babylon squared and season finale chrysalis. The show picked up on action with season two somewhat though still has a few slow episodes, i cant pick episodes as much from season two as they are all plot and subplot heavy season three is where things get heavy messages from earth point of no return and severd dreams being some of the best episodes "Paragraph 47, subsection 19, clause 9A you can find it in the index under S.U.A.E.I. " Season 4 has one of my absolute favourite episodes Rumors, bargains and lies, Season 5 has some really bad episodes the telepath arch for instance. I do love the series. And i will never argue that it does have some of the best character driven stories in Television

@@michaelflett09 aha, Which telepath arc ? Where the telepaths rebel in the lower sections of station ? I dont agree with you that many important characters didnt die ... What about talia? The telepaths, which we got to know and than died later, thx to bastard ... Londo in the movie if i remember corretcly, D,kar Sheridan in the last episode... Vorlons/sinclairs travel into the past ? Marcus dead and ivanovas departure only to come the last episode ... kosh death? g+kars assitent, we find her later in the prisons of the cenautri prime... etc.

I wholeheartedly agree that SG1 was trying to emulate Star Trek's rationalism and I kind of prefer that view point. for me personally leaving things mysterious is like developing a great buildup and then not delivering on execution.

You mean before or after the energy near omnipotent, scient entities showed up that literally are powered by faith and souls?

@Matthias Bindl - Well hey, those powers were still explained within the bounds of science (“evolution” & “technology”) (even moreso than the omnipotent beings of Star Trek, like the Q, I might add!) , and it still takes technology & investigation to undermine the power systems that the (now near-literal) god-beings had established for themselves. ;D

Because they can't help but cancel them all

@@RowanJColeman It doesn't help that they won't even call themselves the "Sci-Fi Channel" anymore. The whole "what's in a name" aside, when your corporate culture is ashamed enough of your own bread-and-butter genre to feel the need to change the spelling, it's not a good sign as to your feelings towards putting time, money, and effort into making the best versions of the genre that you can.

@@RowanJColeman You know which show they should have never cancelled? Caprica.

My question is similar: where have the good TV shows gone? I really don't like the superhero shows or urban fantasy / vampire / witch shows (with the exception of Supernatural which is a comedy in many respects and has a lot of the Stargate crew involved). Cancelling Dark Matter was a bad move for scifi, 12Monkeys eneded and with the exception of Supernatural, about the only thing a care to watch is "Mr. Robot", which is more intriguing than entertaining. I will probably give The Expanse another chance. I hate to say this because I love the shows, but Babylon 5 and SG1/SGA/SGU ruined a lot of TV for me. Dark Matter and Supernatural worked for me because the dialogue writing is similar to Stargate (same folks involved).

@@geographicaloddity2 Have you seen Star Trek Deep Space Nine or Battlestar Galactica? If not, they're some great examples of sci fi in modern(ish) television.

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I really liked the Ori story line. Brought back some of that existential terror which the Goa'uld lost.

Rowan J Coleman they went on waaay too long tho.

@@sugarnads Only two seasons and a DVD movie

Rowan J Coleman They where actually supposed to have more seasons, but they weren’t for the movie rather than another season or 2. Which sucks, but The arc of truth was great, so no complaints really.

@@RowanJColeman The Ori are closer to what Ra was in the first movie.

I kind of thought the same thing regarding the "Lovecraftian" idea, but a quick look online actually kind of explains it: From Wikipedia: "Some scholars use "Lovecraftian horror" and "cosmic horror" interchangeably. Cosmic horror has been characterized as: 1)The "fear and awe we feel when confronted by phenomena beyond our comprehension, whose scope extends beyond the narrow field of human affairs and boasts of cosmic significance".[3] 2)A "contemplation of mankind's place in the vast, comfortless universe revealed by modern science" in which the horror springs from "the discovery of appalling truth".[4] 3)A naturalistic fusion of horror and science fiction in which presumptions about the nature of reality are "eroded" Also: "Several themes found in Lovecraft's writings are considered to be components of a "Lovecraftian" work: -Anti-anthropocentrism, misanthropy in general. Lovecraft's works tend not to focus on characterization of humans, in line with his view of humanity's insignificant place in the universe, and the general Modernist trend of literature at the time of his writings. -Preoccupation with viscerate texture. The horror features of Lovecraft's stories tend to involve protean semi-gelatinous substances, such as slime, as opposed to standard horror elements such as blood, bones, or corpses. -Antiquarian writing style. Even when dealing with up-to-date technology, Lovecraft tended to use anachronisms as well as old-fashioned words when dealing with such things. For example, he used the term "man of science" rather than the modern word, "scientist" and often spelled "show" as "shew" and "lantern" as "lanthorne." Lovecraft was an Anglophile, and frequently used British spelling, as in the title of "The Colour Out of Space". -Detachment. Lovecraftian heroes (both in original writings and in more modern adaptations) tend to be socially isolated, reclusive individuals, usually with an academic or scholarly intent to compensate for social shortcomings. -Helplessness and hopelessness. Although Lovecraftian heroes may occasionally deal a "setback" to malignant forces, their victories are temporary, and they usually pay a price for it. Otherwise, subjects often find themselves completely unable to simply run away, instead driven by some other force to their desperate end. -Unanswered questions. Characters in Lovecraft's stories rarely if ever fully understand what is happening to them, and often go insane if they try to do so. -Sanity's fragility and vulnerability. Characters in many of Lovecraft's stories are unable to cope mentally with the extraordinary and almost incomprehensible truths they witness, hear or discover. The strain of trying to cope, as Lovecraft often illustrates, is impossible to bear and insanity takes hold." The layman's view of Lovecraftian is "giant space demons", "tentacles" and "eldritch horror" But looking at the above definitions, the movie's Ra kind of fits as well.

On the subject of them telling stories they might've already had in mind, what's always had me curious was how long ago did they have the idea for Stargate Universe. Even as far back as the original movie, they already had 9 chevrons on the stargate. The 8th chevron wasn't explored until a few seasons into SG-1 while the 9th chevron went over a decade before it finally got touched upon. So it's made me wonder whether they've already had some concept of Stargate Atlantis and Universe as far back as the movie

@@Generalkidd I heard the film creators were going to make the trilogy they wanted but then it got scraped. Then MGM came out with low budget short series called Stargate Origins. Any news where Stargate is heading now? Liked Atlantis, hated SGU (such massive departure from the theme of franchise). But I always preferred the Goa'uld and movie Ra. Think I'd prefer to see a mix of both merged together. Like the film village of the dammed. They remind me of Ra with the whole unworldly psychic abilities but still have biological properties too.

no idea lol

And you also must factor in until they found humans they did not have Jaffa to incubate their young

That’s a good idea. It’s said for each choice we don’t make another universe is created. Had the goa’uld made different choices they may not have been a dying race like in the movie and became as powerful as the Gould from the TV Show.

They do mention in the show pointing out there is another colonel Jack O'Neil (Kurt Russell's Oneil had only one L) RDA emphasises two L's and that the OTHER O'Neal has no sense of humour. So its accepted by some that they are similar realities but seperate

​@@michaelflett09 wow good catch I always wonder why he was always telling about the 2 L Kurt Russell ... Colonel Jonathan 'Jack' O'Neil Richard Dean Anderson ... Colonel Jack O'Neill

Simpler solution Ra infested an asgard and uses a personal hologram to disguise himself. The chamber and the bomb disrupt it. Lantern hung.

@@Trehlas indeed.

Or the way to immortality was to get infected with Goaul'd (which were meant to be able to heal most of diseases a body may have)?

Yeah, the idea that Ra had previously possessed an Asgard has been tossed around a lot and could definitely work. We saw in the 5th Season episode "Revelations" that 30,000 years ago the Asgar d looked a lot like weird, skinny, big skulled humans. In the ensuing 30 Millenia, their forms changed to the diminutive Grey's we see in SG-1. We know the Goa'uld were bumming around the earth 10 thousand years ago (give or take) so it's feasible that Ra possessed an Asgard maybe 15-20 thousand years ago, explaining the different look of the flashbacks from the movie. Ra's Asgard host was an intermediary form between the ancient Asgard from Revelations and the final degenerative form of the modern era. My rationale is that the body Ra possessed was from an era when the Asgard were already heavily into cloning (hence the drastic change in appearance over just a few thousand years) Either the cloning disagreed with Goa'uld sarcophagus and hand-device tech or the androgynous form disagreed with Goa'uld... sensuality... or maybe Ra just recognised the species was already on a downward spiral, so he jumped ship for a human host. Given these theories, Ra's story can be shoe-horned into SG-1 canon without too much trouble.

>SG-1. >Hard Sci-Fi. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

And I appreciate the work you’re doing. Big fan of the coverage you continue to make of B5 especially.

The unfortunate thing was we never got to see that level of Goa'uld that "RA" was. Ra learned enough in "reading" Dr. Jackon's textbooks to know the human race had harnessed the power of the atom. One, that was fairly impressive right there-- Ra read his textbook at least well enough to "know" exactly what the military had brought with them. But, then in the TV version, everything worked on crystals? I don't think so! And everyone spoke English! Dr. Daniel Jackson was a Linguist, not an archaeologist. Now, if you wanted to say he added Egyptology to his skill set, because of his interest in the Great Pyramids, okay.

ah, the rpg material. I like using thr rpg when the show or books on't fill in certain stuff. In one of the books, it's hinted that the alien host was not connected to the Alliance (which the asgard were part of) and was in fact a different race entirely. The books also say that by using that alien's tech, some Ancient stuff and just being in that host for a long time, it affected ra in a weird way and he somehow put a piece of himself into a network of planets as a kind of energy lifeform (a very rough form of Ascension, which he might have been trying to fully do at the end of the movie with his main self when he noticed the bomb was ringed onto his ships, explaining the glowing) (part of this was me connecting details we see in the movie and bits of info from said book)

Universe dragged too much. You have to get people involved quickly to keep rating up or you're done these days. Nobody has patience anymore.

@@Trehlas I know this in my head but I don't feel this in my bones. :)

That's actually a really cool theory gonna join you in adding it to my headcanon

@@zrethor sure are you going to make it an video I'm probably going to use it in my story in the future way way in the future I write slowly so it being an headcannon is cool

That sounds cool good luck with your story

@@zrethor I thought I tell you I might not even use it so I'm okay with you using it

Oh thanks that's really cool if I ever do use it for something I'll try to give you a shout out