My favorite thing to come out of Panic ending was a tweet that was like “Brendon Urie at the band meeting where they decided to retire” and it’s just a clip of some dude in a restaurant talking to himself
I lump Brendan Urie and the Maroon 5 singer in the same category of “the pitch got higher as the creativity got lower” and now I can hardly sing along anymore
One of my favorite music RU-vidrs, Todd in the Shadows, predicted Urie would be the next Adam Levine. That didn't quite pan out, but I definitely understand why he thought that, especially around the Prayers for the Wicked era.
Ryan Ross needs his flowers now. Imagine being 16/17 and writing a masterpiece that was A Fever You Can't Sweat Out. Those songs were so well written for even beyond that time period
I came here to comment the same thing. Every interview I’ve seen of the original 4 goes on at length about “Ryan’s the songwriter, Brandon’s the singer” “it must be hard to write something for someone else to sing” etc. You can hear that something changed when the band split, and Ryan is the reason why
It’s interesting to see how MCR’s comeback and Paramore’s new album showcased them still evolving their sound and style that’s still distinctly unique to them and growing into a clear direction. Brendon Urie never went that route with all of the original band members leaving and what’s left being a constant rotating roster where the music kept getting more generic, more pop, less special, and less of a kind.
I wanted to drop a line about Paramore as well. I was a huge Panic, MCR, FOB, and Paramore fan. Somehow, out of all of them, Paramore stuck with me from my teenage years through my 20's and I'm nearly 30 and they're still my favourite band because they have evolved and being all the raw pain of living and growing up to their songs, which Panic didn't.
I went to see Paramore live a few months ago, and the energy they had was unmatchable. Even after all these years, they still perform with the same passion as they did when they were just teens. Their new album has been on repeat nonstop since it came out, a great mix of their old and new sound. MCR has been the same, their new song felt like pure ecstasy to my ears, they still sound the same yet so much more mature. I feel like FOB and Panic went the wrong way with their sound, Brendon ending up completely alone and without a clear vision of where he wanted his music to go, and FOB who ended up making sort like really really commercial/mainstream sounding music compared to their original sound.
@@phantasmagorics MCR’s new song sounds like they’re taking it back to a more refined but stripped-down influence at their first album, and from the sound of Foundations of Decay’s usage of Power Metal and Doom Metal, it feels more like they’re going to try a more metal aspect to their music, to be honest
What's never sat right with me is the complete undermining of Dallon's contribution to the band. Some of the best parts of Too Rare to Live were his and he never got any recognition for it. Instead he got demoted? Like what's that all about??
and the bullying he enacted on Dallon, and claiming a not true fact on the meaning behind Girls/Girls/Boys which was about Dallon's wife Breezy. No wonder Dallon had enough and quit when he had a chance, he even burned some of the suits he wore during tours in the Do It All The Time music video for his project IDKHOW
not to sound like a religious freak but brendon was sooo hellbent on making fun of mormonism and bullying dallon out of it because he left it but dallon is still very religious and it pissed brendon off for some reason so he just targeted dallon. i mean he fuckin shot dallon in the hand with a pellet gun while he was playing on stage and he drew blood.
Brandon always struck me as a bit of a narcissist (and more grade A the more I learned about him). It makes complete sense for him to undermine other worthwhile contributors as a way to stroke his own ego. This is probably why he ended up being the only member left. He’s likely pathologically incapable of sharing credit or spotlight.
I felt a strange sense of relief when I saw the announcement that Panic was ending. I was bitter that I watched one of my favorite bands become so mediocre,and wished it happened much sooner. I hated seeing the album covers with a single man carrying the name of a band I once loved. I can’t claim to love Panic anymore, but I will always love the Fever album.
Although I was more a fan of the Pretty Odd album I agree with the sentiment about finally laying the band name to rest. I get the music evolves and bands can changes genres and various sounds overtime. But it was just one person, no longer even the same people on the instruments, everything got more personal. That isn’t to say it’s a bad thing but it stopped feeling like Panic! At the Disco. I wish he started going as just Brendan Urie for albums and tours.
This, it was like seeing someone beating an already dead horse. I jumped ship right after Dallon left to support his band and project IDKHOW and also the fact my taste was straying away from the sound he was doing. The first three albums still have a place in my heart for being there during a time I needed them the most but it wasn't really Panic anymore once Brendon was starting to phase Dallon back to a touring member. I'm thankful I got to see Dallon play live twice before leaving Panic.
Same. I didn't listen to the last two albums (besides the GODDAMN SINGLES) and I have no regrets about it personally. I was very relieved when he finally ended the band too. Jon and Dallon still make music which makes me so happy. I hope old P!ATD fans give them a listen
@HermioneGLuna1 the pray for the wicked legit reminds me of Brendon taking death of a bachelor more radio friendly. I tried a few songs from the last album. Could only finish listening to like 2 songs. Had my fiance listen (not ever was a panic fan only listened to some of their music cuz of me) he didn't like what songs I tried to listen to
Brendon really feels like the epitome of "you either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain". Seeing Panic! "break up" at the beginning of the year was slightly bittersweet, but more than anything I just felt relief that it was over; which shouldn't happen after having been a fan for over a decade, and still considering some of their albums to be my favourites of all time.
I just saw Fall Out Boy live with Bring Me The Horizon opening for them. Both bands pitched down multiple songs to put them in a more singable range for them, and that just feels like such… a common sense move and I don’t get why Brendan didn’t do that.
@@FreeTempest they wrote and recorded songs in a key they could sing… 10-20 years ago. People’s vocal ranges change over the course of their lives. It’s entirely normal for people approaching their forties to be unable to sing notes they could hit in their twenties. You don’t have to stop performing your old songs, just pitch them down so you don’t strain your voice.
@@RSStarfire fair, was mostly coming for patd's recent albums lmaooo, and artists who do this nowadays. I shouldn't have shaded in this situation it wasn't fair
I genuinely think Panic! should have ended with Death of a Bachelor. As soon as Brendon was the last member standing, he should’ve used that final ‘good’ album as a last hurrah for himself and for the group that was. He could’ve made a song or two about his experiences and just…the end of it all. Bittersweet but nevertheless a good ENOUGH note to end everything on. It could’ve been a wonderful story on its own. Tale of Panic at the Disco and how it evolved. Then, he could’ve released PFTW as a solo work. I honestly believe more people would’ve enjoyed the album had it been detached from the Panic! name (I, for one, liked most of that album) And then he could’ve flopped with VLV idk that album was ass. It pains me, though, because musically, the entire band up until DoaB was just…it was so good.
This is my opinion too. I also think it would’ve just been poetic for the band with one member left standing to end on an album literally called “Death of a Bachelor”
Brendon has been straining his voice in concerts since the too weird to live era, i saw them on tour and he would do crazy runs and try and hit a higher range than the original song and while he didnt sound as fried as he does now you could tell he was pushing it
what’s also very important to mention is the constant mistreatment of band members imo. he was always very predatory towards ryan, who also said that he didn’t even know that brendon would be continuing the band that HE created. dallon was also basically bullied by brendon, and was barely making a living wage as a touring member. in fact, he had to get another job during the vices tour
Genuinely truly, go to the article where Brendon came out as pansexual. You have to scroll down a bit, but he mentioned how he used to make advancements on Ryan, which Ryan would reject. But after a few drinks, it's a different story. Sir, you're a grown adult. How can you be so stupid to PUBLICLY say something like that, let alone in the interview that you come out as pansexual in?
im glad that dallon found success with idkhow and was able to express his own creativity within that because imo the best songs off of twtltrtd are the songs he wrote
@@alim.9801he has writing credits for this is gospel, i think girls/girls/boys (not sure about that though), nicotine and girl that you love on that album. Maybe I’m missing or misplacing one or another and I apologize in advance
Oh he is DEFINITELY straining. I saw him during the tour for PFTW, and I was surprised by how forced his voice sounded, because I had always considered him a very good singer, as he sounds good in older videos and albums. He absolutely is killing/has killed his voice, and with the way he was using it, it was bound to happen
the weed and the alcohol is def messing him up. he talked about doing whiskey before tours and that's such a bad idea. as a vocalist i could fucking never
@@embertrynka257 Warm whiskey mixed with honey is an old singers remedy, some singing coaches will recommend it before a show if you are slightly hoarse or just to get the vocal cords ready. Not saying it works saying that he might have been thought to do that. I don't know how much he drinks or smokes though but smoking is completely horrible for vocal cords for sure.
i saw him twice during this period and the first time i had this experience, the second time tho he sounded pristine so idk. i do agree hes doing damage tho
@@ryanjosey8055 If he's doing Fireball shots, not so much haha! I do stand by you on whiskey/honey tho, it's basically an alcholics' honey/lemon. For me personally tho, if I drink any alcoholic beverage at all before singing, my throat gets fuckeddd so I'm sure I'm not the only one
ryan ross was truly the mastermind behind panic, finding out that nearly witches on vices and virtues was written by him was kind of healing and heartbreaking for me, it felt like his last goodbye to the band T-T
Brendon would've been the one leaving if he wasn't the singer or atleast sang a couple of songs like Blink, i mean yea blink's Chemistry wasn't that good after their self-titled either but why would Brendon take all the credit , which is why Panic became Brendon's own stuff. Glad FoB remained in the good side
@@hugeD69I need an alternate universe where Brendon leaves and Dallon joins. Yes, Ryan and Dallon both have very different sounds but they are both such good writers I wanna see what it's like
Fun fact, Nearly Witches originally came from an EP Fall Out Boy put out around the time of Obama’s first term. It was an entire EP dedicated to political change and “welcoming the new administration”. I cried when they finally released the full song as it has been like 15 years of waiting.
If you want it to hurt more just know that Brendon loved to sing "Here I am composing a burlesque" with varying obnoxious voices to mock Ryan when he would perform it :)))
It's funny how almost no fans were moved by the breakup announcement lol. Honestly the only thing I felt was shock that he didn't mention or give credit to a single past member who made the band what it was. Well, maybe not shock considering it's Brendon, but it still irritated me.
Why should he have had to? I'm genuinely asking. From what I would presume his POV to be, everyone else jumped ship. It probably would've done more harm to the past band members had he mentioned them, what with all the drama surrounding his and PATD's name.
@@bobathon7143 Because he was ending a project he didn't even start?? Obviously he didn't have to because he didn't, but a simple thank you or acknowledgement to the 4 or 5 other people who made the band what it was (and formed the band before he joined) would've been nice instead of just pretending it's always been his solo career. It was the final statement of Panic ffs
@@GregCubed Nice to who, though? All the guys that had individually decided to leave the band for their own respective reasons many years ago? Or for the fans that like to think that all the past band members have been obsessively keeping up with panic since they left, and are just dying for some recognition? I get your point, its a final statement, but I personally think any mention of past band members would've been performative, and what would it count for if it wasn't an authentic message?
We were supposed to do an assignment my sophomore year of high school where we chose one song to break down and interpret the lyrics. I chose to do the whole "a fever you cant sweat out" album lmao. I remember being completely consumed by this assignment in ALL of my classes because it was something I was actually passionate about. Pinnacle of my emo-ness right there.
Literally just did this exact thing with Weezer's blue album, probably one of my favorite assignments and essays I've written. Who knew how fun school could be when they make it actually interesting for you.
I did the same with the entire “Welcome to the Black Parade” album 💀 It was in my senior year of high school. Edit: We had to pick three songs from the album and break down the lyrics/music. I think I chose “Mama”, “Welcome to the Black Parade”, and “Famous Last Words” because those three seemed like the most integral parts of the story of the patient and his journey in the after life.
Agreed! Absolutely one of my favorites during that era of Panic! Glad she mentioned it by name- the song deserves more credit! +Edit to add that I also agree that it sucked to see the band/ Brenden fade into forgettable mediocrity.
if the band "breakup" announcement had dropped at death of a bachelor, i think it would have been the best timing and kept the image of panic! in tact.
I couldn't agree more! Honestly, I interpreted the album to be like Eminem's "Curtain Call", and took the literal meaning that this was his last album. So you can imagine my surprise when he came back with Taylor Swift and I knew in my little Hot Topic 2007 heart that Panic! as I knew it was gone for good. The slow death of everything I held dear about this little group from Las Vegas slowly started to rot until nothing of meaning was left
High Hopes was the “theme song” of the middle school I worked at in 2018 and I probably heard the song well over 200 times that school year. I permanently associated the song with an administration who didn’t care and students who threw chairs at each other. Hate that song.
No I hate it as well because I was in 5th grade when this song released and my elementary school music teacher forced the 5th grade to learn this song to sing it at our graduation ceremony. What made me ( and my grade ) hate this song even more is that she cut our boomwacker unit ( arguably the best unit for kids because you have an excuse to whack shit ) for us to learn this stupid song.
The milk thing confused me, so i googled milk + panic! at the disco and the milk fic came up....I had repressed it so deeply that it genuinely made me shutter when the memory flooded back. Thank you for that, Kayla
Genuinely, and I say this as a massive Taylor Swift fan, Brendon deciding to be on Me! Is one of the worst business decisions he could have possibly made. Panic! Fans who were already on edge about him 'selling out' had their worst fears confirmed when he decided to join in on Taylor's biggest sellout song (a song even she has admitted was a desperate final grab at mass success before she turned 30 and expected to be pushed out of the industry) and Taylor's audience is genuinely so massive there's no way they wouldn't have searched more into Brendon and found some of his shadier moments. Especially considering Taylor Swift was just coming out of her reputation era which was not well received by audiences and was generally disliked among the type of people who listened to P!aTD. It was not a good choice.
He didn’t want to go solo because he would have to pay to play his own songs. As a solo act, he would have to pay PATD for every song he “covered” which means he would lose his ass on every single song at every single concert on every single tour!
The logistics don't make sense here. I don't think the amount of money it would cost to put on a show, then rent those songs, would out weigh the income from tickets or merch. I think a more reasonable answer as to why he didn't go solo is, not including AFYCSO and Pretty. Odd., the band grew in popularity after every album release, up to PFTW, which was Panic!s peak. If it ain't broke, don't fix it right. Up until this most recent album, where everything was thrown off. The image was no longer Brendon Urie, Popstar, but Brendon Urie, the music lover. 70's inspired, big rock tour rocking a beer belly and a 5 o'clock shadow. A break in the mold. I think this was always the last panic album. In high hopes Brendon sings, "I got one more ride and it's gonna be a sight to see," which if true makes a lot of sense. You have DOAB, which has Brendon exploring who he was, and who he wants to become, to PFTW, where Brendon's exploring what his fame really is, to VLV, where Brendon explores letting go of that part of his life.
@@bonkers1917 in which way? So he could never play any of those songs when they were the MOST POPULAR THEY WOULD EVER BE, yeah, genius move. This is the best time. People are over it. He just had a child, his first. And his vocal chords are so strained from nonstop PATD tours, he’s actually damaged them. This is the PERFECT time to to do it. Maybe come out with a solo album or two and then maybe get back with Spencer and Dallon and do a big reunion in a decade or so…if we’re still all here.
@@connorhatchs Brendan said it himself in an interview, but whatever makes you feel better. If you don’t think EVERYTHING comes down to money, you’re being naive.
@@devonmunn5728 It had become a fandom inside joke used to freak people out by mentioning it. We used it as a reference to spot each other and also make people uncomfortable by reminding them that it existed. Good times lol
I've been vocally trained and hearing rhe strain in his voice make me cry nc I onow how painful it is. I ALSO know how much it hurts to lose your ability to sing. It's a physically exhausting activity and it's a power thats hard to let go of.
As a professionally trained singer those clips made me WINCE oh my god that man wont be able to talk in another couple of decades if he doesn't do some serious physical therapy
Panic are one of the most inconsistent bands of all time. With a revolving door of members and having incredibly mediocre albums with some really great albums they are unbelievably inconsistent.
inconsistency is key i guess? every single album (except the first) basically switches off between good songs and bad songs. it’s like a slot machine when you hit shuffle on their discography
Almost like they have a talentless narcissist as a lead that goes through band members like water and the quality of the music is dependent on the talent of whoever is sticking around at the moment.
I just could not get over the fact that after all these allegations yeah, he fired Zach, but in the same breath tells everyone, with absolutely no freaking shame, that they'll remain friends. My jaw was literally on the floor
I don’t wanna be a dick, but it’s Brendon’s decision. He got rid of Zach which is what the fans wanted, what he does aside from that is his business and own decision, we got what we wanted and we may not like his choices, but we can’t force him to listen to us when we’re simply just fans. I don’t think he would’ve known about Zach’s behaviors when he probably didn’t wanna also see his friend in that way like “there’s no way”, but I don’t know maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just my take. He still took him out because he knew it was the right thing to do.
I am to this day the only Panic fan I’ve met who enjoys Pray for the Wicked. I don’t think it’s their best album, but it was fun and sounded like Brendon had fun making it. So imagine being a Pray for the Wicked defender and still not being able to defend Viva las Vengeance.
i dont like pftw (king of the clouds is the exception) but at least it was INTERESTING. viva las vengeance is such a boring and pointless album, where i found pray for the wicked to be poppy and a departure from the sound i liked the band for, viva las vengeance was simply a nothing of a record to me
I love both albums whole heartedly aside from a few songs… other people are allowed to like what they want. Im happy he had fun writing the songs, theyre not meant to be picked apart and studied- be made them because he wanted to.
I’m too young to have really get into panic at the height of their good albums, but it’s been really interesting to see the “aftermath” of it all. Also, it’s been awesome to see Dallon Weekes go off and do his own thing with IDKHOW which is a really fun project he did!
IDKHOW is so good! I’m lucky to have found them when they had just started out, it was amazing seeing their music progress. As sad as it is that dallon and Ross dealt with some shitty things at P!ATD, I’m glad they left and decided to create amazing music together again.
you're so real for the milk joke. also did you see that pete wentz accidentally exposed his wife's pregnancy before his announcement? it's so poetic that he launched their career and launched their downfall. anyway justice for lyrical genius teenage ryro
i was watching this while getting breakfast ready and she pulled out the fucking milk just as i poured mine into my coffee... i made a very audible, very horrified noise and it's incredible how a decade old memory can suddenly resurface so violently
As someone who has had the same kind of damage and the surgery to fix the damage, he wasn’t singing with the right technique, just like I wasn’t. Weird whenever people with that amount of resources has this happen
Yeah, it sounds like he's pushing the air purely with his throat (idk how else to describe it). And as someone who was trained for musical theatre and opera, that's a huge no no, especially at the volume and parts of his range he's doing it at. Is he trying to belt and just doing it completely wrong? Because some of these notes he should be able to hit fine if he flipped into his falsetto.
Does this happen over years or do you think he change the way he was singing for this to happen? Strange to have a professional singing career for 2 decades and not be more carful with your voice.
@@IndiaMyers your vocal chords thicken as you get older and mature, so often (unless you’re trained in opera/musical theater consistently) higher notes become harder to sing at a full belt. A lot of singers on tour will arrange their songs to fit where their voice is currently or opt for more comfortable placement to reduce strain - hell, there’s a high note in Hadestown that Eva Noblezada even opts to take lower during live performances. It seems like Brendon either wasn’t using the correct technique, wasn’t taking proper care after performances, was too stubborn to arrange songs to work with where his voice was at, or a combination of all three. Add in some possible substance abuse because this is the rock and roll scene we’re talking about, and all that adds up to killing your voice.
@@jesskrause3490Yeah there’s a reason why most artists don’t tend to use their most difficult songs to sing even if they’re the most popular, it’s not safe to do every night on tour.
As someone who used to love the fuck out of Brendon Urie.. he’s literally embarrassing himself at this point lol also im sure we’re all aware ryan held most of the talent behind panic. 🤷🏽♀️
@@dangerousvillain7278 You say this as if songwriting isn't a talent within itself. Brendon is an example of being a great singer but a mediocre writer.
Take A Vacation by Ryan Ross post Panic band would be great, or Vices & Virtues with Ryan writing would be nice, i mean Brendon would've been the singer for Ryan's song, same situation with Dallon's Too weird to live stuff that led him to His own band which is great cus Brendon can be selfish
I went to see the viva las vengeance tour when it was announced that P!ATD would be disbanding. I hadn’t listened to the album at all but I was excited to listen to the old classics live one last time. The setlist literally has Brendon sing the *entirety* of VLV. Back to back. The audience was completely dead. Then when he started playing the older songs for the last 3 songs everyone suddenly became alive again and I felt like I’d just warped to a different concert When I left the arena I felt melancholic, not for the fact that p!atd was disbanding, but for the fact that I spent the most of the concert waiting for actually good songs
I went in October after the VLV album came out and you could hear like one person singing the new songs sometimes. Brendon also lost his voice a few times from hitting random high notes that definitely didn't go in said songs. I felt so relieved when they announced the band ending. After that I felt it needed to
That's how I felt to me the last tour and was so tired i actually started nodding off durring the newer songs, way different from the pray for the wicked tour from 5 or 6 years ago
You put my feelings into words so well. It’s insane to watch a band that meant so much to you fizzle into this cookie cutter, corporate, shopping-at-Kohl’s music. I haven’t listened to them in so long, and I try to count Post-Ryan Panic as a different band entirely.
another issue i had with him in his prime of being called out for his messed up behavior was the treatment of ryan. brendon was never an original member, ryan was the original lead vocalist, wrote a lot of the lyrics in their early days, got them in relation to fall out boy, and brendon treated him horribly. in old interviews and such he’s just seen as making ryan very uncomfortable and trying to do yk “stage gay” when ryan obviously was not comfortable with that, but brendon would not give up, he kept trying and trying, in the end ryan just looks so miserable to have to be around brendon, i mean really the whole band does. also how ryan asked brendon to stop playing camisado live when ryan left because that’s a very personal song about ryan’s father and brendon just continued to play it?? all around he was just so ungrateful for everything his band mates did for him, he took advantage of everything which inevitably lead to his downfall
Yes, thanks for talking about it! I was surprised it wasn't mentioned in the video. It was definitely one of the main "controversies" that made me turn my back on Panic! when I (finally) realized just how bad it was
- RYAN, BRENDON, SPENCER, BRENT WERE ALL OG MEMBER OF PANIC! no panic name before 4 boys met up together. Stoooopeed. - Brendon & Spencer continued Panic! because FBR and Pete Wentz agreed and supported their career. - Ryan didn't want fame so leave him alone. It's his choice to disappear. - Panic got more and more successful after post-split. - Nobody cares abt lyrics. Record label needs money, if your are a flop, you'll get dropped by the label.
Its unbelievable how good AFYCSO is for a debut AND considering how young the band was at the time. Still probably my favorite album of all time. I've listened to it so much that I've gotten to Panic!'s top 0.1% on Spotify for listening to that album alone. God bless Ryan Ross!
I always thought classic P!atD was more vaudeville/carnival-esque than emo. Ryan Ross is a genius who deserved much better and I hate to think of all the albums we've missed out on because of all the infighting- let alone the legacy they could have had. The clip for 'But it's Better If You Do' parades a world they built that I wish was around for a bit longer...
I happened to become obsessed with MCR instead of Panic (although I still listened to them) and one thing I’m relieved to feel watching this is that my childhood favorite band knew when to call it quits, even if that made me sad AF. You put a ton a work into this video & it really shows. Loved it & learned a lot I didn’t know before.
Panic was THE band of my teenage years. I saw them live three times while Ryan and Jon were still there. It was never an issue to me that Brendon continued using the band’s name, plenty of solo artists use a stage name and plenty of bands no longer have any original members and continue using a band name, that part never really bothered me. And I think he took good care of the name up until Death of a Bachelor era, after that is when things started to fall off for me. The unceremonious end on a European tour that no one knew would be the final tour when it was first announced felt like Brendon giving up. Which is a really sad way to go out after almost 20 years.
I totally agree. I never understood why people got so upset about him wanting to continue the Panic name. Band members come and go sometimes, and that's just how it is. People just read way too much into things and made up all these crazy conspiracies that the gaslit themselves/each other into believing, when he's said on many occasions that people just left because they WANTED to. Anyways, I loved pretty much everything by Panic except for the very last album, which didn't really connect with me. It's really sad to see him just stop out of nowhere the way he did. I can respect if he's burned out or whatnot, but it just sucks after having been a fan for so long. But at least we can always go back and listen to the music still.
Yeah, the end of the last tour really didn't feel like the "end of the band" tour, like it just happened and that was all? I feel bad for those who couldn't go or missed due to cancellations because not knowing it was the last tour EVER would suck if I was able to go.
I was supposed to see Panic during the Pretty Odd tour, and the week that I got tickets for my local dates they announced the band was splitting up. Ended up seeing Panic years later opening for Fall Out Boy and Brendon was already straining his voice to oblivion, even the old songs weren’t enjoyable to hear anymore. Did end up seeing The Young Veins when they opened for Foxy Shazam though, and THAT was an incredible show. Met them all afterwards and they were all super chill guys.
yep paid 1,800 to go front row with my sisters to see Panic and they broke up. My fav was Ryan of course and I thought john was so hot. didnt care at all about Brendon or Smith but that's all I got to see.
"I hate when a good thing exists and everyone enjoys it and derives some kind of really important meaning out of it for themselves and then it just gets ruined by external forces" sooooo true!!
Panic! at the Disco is finally over. I am so glad, its like seeing a good old friend with which you had a lot if fun in college but then stsrting abusing substances and failed to keep evolving that you just grow tired of it and all you have left are good memoriew
I found them in 2014 and I legit was obseeeessed with brendon until like 2017. the doab album was my shit. saw them live, it was wild and very fun. then got more into their lore, discovered ryan and jon, discovered the young veins, realised that while all patd albums were great, the first two were superior. (especially pretty odd, it's a masterpiece) after that and after pray for the wicked it became clear that brendon was just too obnoxious, and without other band members it was hard to hide in the music and the actions. plus idk what he did to his voice, he sounds so strained and very "2D" in viva la veangence. anyways, good riddance to what was left of patd, and long live ryan ross and dallon weekes!
It’s kind of surreal to see it all come to an end in this way. From like 2014-2018, I was very deep into the Emo fandom, and really the band that made that happen was panic!. I believe a lot of what made panic! so lucrative was the work and love Ryan Ross put into at the very start. I can’t pretend like I don’t feel that Brendan was riding off the Panic! brand for that long solely to manipulate nostalgia and the past success that name was associated with. Ryan Ross deserves so much of the credit for making Panic! the initial success it was. Then, we have Dallon Weekes who penned some of the best Panic! songs post-Ryan. There’s something genuinely disturbing in the fact that Brendan has been the only remaining member for like at LEAST two to three sets of different band members. I think that speaks volumes. Anyway, Ryan Ross + Dallon Weekes collaboration, when?
THANK YOUUUUU. FINALLY SOMEONE EXPLAINED IT. Especially with such care and gentleness without shying away from the truth. It's literally like we lived the same life cause everything you explained from being too young to see a concert before vices to the announcement just being numb and like you didn't really care. Panic! was always my favorite and it is really sad to see what has happened after being there since MYSPACE and every era since. AFYCSO will always be my favorite album and it hurts to look back with nostalgia at what could have been and what we'll never know in this life. But I am finally glad someone just provided answers without constantly shitting on him. At least SHOWED why it would or wouldn't be worth to hate on him. Thank you for this, I appreciate you!!!
@@itmebebii you’re one of the MySpace era girls. Yall are the ones that are weird. Hacking into their account, gossiping about them, trying to make your own weird fantasies true about Brendon and Ryan. You are literally part of the whole problem. And the fact that you are incapable to see it says enough
tbh, all i want in life at this point is for ryan ross to release more music... he has such a unique voice and he's such an amazing songwriter and it sucks to think how many people give the credit to brendon for the first two albums...
@@CrystalRainDrop789 the original comment doesn’t even mention Brendon’s vocal ability. They’re saying that they prefer Ryan’s voice to Brendon, which has nothing to do with either of their skill levels. Personally, I also like Ryan’s voice more than Brendon’s in terms of tone and style, and I can admit that Brendon is the objectively better singer but that has nothing to do with my personal preference.
Time to Dance is the most underrated & best Panic! song... I said what I said... I love the book it's based on; Invisible Monsters. As a UK teen going to Skins house parties back then (if you know, then you know), everyone would go nuts when that song started blasting... I'm glad I got to see them before they (to put it nicely) went downhill... But the writing & song quality were never the same when the main lyricist Ryan Ross left... Great video Kayla! Edit: The f-ing milk enema!
why is nobody talking about the fact that Pete Wentz kickstarted their career by signing them to his label and then ended it by accidentally leaking Brendon and Sarah's pregnancy I- 😭😭
It makes me sad. Patd was my favorite band as a teenager. A fever you can’t sweat out is still one of my favorite albums. It’s brilliant (thank you, ryan), and I regret not seeing them perform it back then. I really missed out :( no matter how many mistakes brendon’s made, I AM grateful for him. He and the band gave us something really special and beautiful. I hope they’re all doing well and that his vocal chords are alright. Hearing him strain his voice like that is so worrying
I remember when I saw the post about Panic ending and feeling every apathetic despite following their entire career. The latest installment was a husk basically, and they kinda went out with a wet fart. “Oh well. Looking forward to Paramore’s album next month” was really all I really thought about the situation. IDK How kinda filled the hole the old Panic left for me personally.
i kinda feel the same way - i think the 'totally despising' in a lot of cases comes from people's feelings of personal betrayal and embarrassment at having liked him at one point, and overcompensating for that fact. so i do understand why a lot of people act that way towards him!
Yeah, and a lot of people characterize the final 'disbandment' as him giving up, but I really do think that was the best thing he could've done for his kid (and secondarily, probably also for the band). Hopefully that kid never finds this rabbit hole on the internet, because I don't think it'd be past some people online who felt personally betrayed to harass the kid.
i had the exact same response when i saw he was putting panic aside. i felt like i SHOULD be feeling something, but i didn’t. we already grieved old panic for so long, that when it was actually over, the old fans had been so disconnected it didn’t even affect us. the last few albums were such a large distance from what panic once was, that i feel like a lot of us already accepted patd, as we knew it, was gone for good.
I feel exactly the same. We had been grieving Panic! for so long already it just felt like a strange reaffirmation. I was a pretty hardcore fan and still listen to the older albums. I have a 10 y/o merch sweater i wear to sleep so I hold it as a band pretty close to my heart, but then Brendon released the most “huh” album and announced his retirement a few weeks after and I was just so detached at that point
ikr. when I meet others who were like that, especially who were deep in the mcr fandom, it automatically feels like we grew up together or like served in the military together or something
I will say Pray for the Wicked came out during my final year of undergrad, and "Hey Look Ma, I Made It" literally felt like perfect timing because I'm the first female in my family to complete a college degree. The rest of the album kind of just made me sad
I became a fan during the Death of a Bachelor timeframe of the band (I was VERY sheltered as a child so I didn’t really hear any of their music until then, because I was nineteen when that album released). I quickly fell in love and down the rabbit hole, and was sad they ended things this year but I understand. I understand where all the OG or long time fans are coming from, and where Brendon’s stance is. I think I was just saddened because I got to be a fan and enjoy them for such a short amount of time in comparison to how long they ran for. In all honesty, I hope Brendon spends the rest of his life happy and with his family and doesn’t need to return to the music industry for anything.
I also became a fan around DOAB I was waiting for pray for the wicked to come out then went to their concert back in 2018, I too fell down the panic rabbit hole and loved all their previous albums slightly got onboard with pray for the wicked then I heard that we were getting VLV and was like yay new music heard the whole album and thought man this is shit only song I do like is don’t let the light go out
It has been so hard to watch what happened to P!ATD. Brendon was such a powerhouse of a live performer in the 2010s, but his decline was pretty clear even in the few performances i got to see over the years. But if panic is what we had to lose to get MCR back... thats okay with me
I swear Panic! literally saved my life. I loved this band with all my heart and even through the thick and the thin, I adored the old, and loved the new, but the last album was just heartbreaking. It felt wrong, and nothing upset me even more than Brendon just.. waking away after it wasn't another Death of a Bachelor or High Hopes. Now Panic! just leaves a sour taste in my mouth when it was my lifeline. It just feels like a bad breakup.
Yeah, i totally agree. i wanted to love the last album so bad because I love all the others, but it just... wasn't it. And it sucks that so soon after it came out it all just ended. I wish he would have just announced that he was taking a hiatus or smth, because I would love to se Panic come back after he's had some time to rest, find some more creative inspiration, ect. It's just such a sad way to end things.
you summed up the feeling of that break up announcement perfectly. i was almost relieved that this band that used to be so good was finally dying 5 years too late.
As a singer taking voice lessons what they tell us a lot is that you don't really know your voice type (soprano/alto/tenor/bass, etc.) until your 30s so I think the voice thing *might* be that Brendon started out as a tenor and then his voice type became more baritone or bass and he was still trying to keep his voice a tenor, and strained his voice to stay up that high. that or he failed to let the microphone do its job and tried to project everything too much.
Not exactly sure of the details on this, but I remember reading that Brendon wasn't part of the band initially, and Ryan was the lead singer. Brendon joined later and Ryan took a backseat on vocals while continuing to write and perform for the band. So I remember thinking it was weird that he kept using the name as a solo act even after all the other original band members had left
Hey, great video as always! This is a little off topic, but I had a personal story. For some reason, during the pandemic, I was watching a live stream in which Mr. Urie was hosting. And during the stream, for a donation or something he saying a little bit in his signature falsetto and he mentioned that he hasn’t been stretching his voice consistently because of the pandemic. I remember it sticking out to me as slightly odd behavior for a professional singer, although I found the moment in isolation very relatable. In retrospect I wonder if this had to do with the vocal issues we saw on the latest album. Thank you so much for this video, I was honestly a little confused as to the shift in the opinion towards P!ATD.
If you do decide to listen to viva las vengance, don't strain yourself. But if i do say so myself, don't let the light go out is the only song worth listening to on that album.
the brobecks demo of far too young to die (released by a bitter friend so i always feel guilty when listening :/) is too good. been a dallon stan since day one and so happy he's getting to do what he loves w idkhow. saw him live w both bands and the difference was insane also think brendon's issue is ultimately his ego. being a frontman vs sacrificing your humility and graciousness. i hope he's a better father than he was bandmate
@@NC-Seedo the way you're literally proving my point though bc dallon didn't steal tens of thousands of dollars from himself now did he? and is still getting to do what he loves - anyway stream what love? and gloom division in feb 2024 xx
@@riskydash11 same! had a nostalgia trip listening to panic's first three albums and found myself wondering wtf happened. saw idkhow in june and they were all fab, agreed that gloom division is a great album!
I've had a sick sense of satisfaction watching fans turn on him because he's left a bad taste in my mouth ever since Ryan and Jon left. I can't imagine how Ryan felt watching him continue on under the name and band that was essentially his brainchild and run it into the ground. Wish that young veins had had Brendon's post-panic success
Hi there. Spencer existed too. I know you guys like to pretend he didn't, but he did. He was crucial to the band's formation and success. He and Brendon were just as important as Ryan. They had every right to use the band name after Ryan left.
@@WalkingTravisty bro... Nobody's trying to erase Spencer. Honestly I wish he had stuck with Ryan and Jon when the band split, especially since he and Ryan were childhood friends. I think it's really sad the way things went down. But seeing as how Ryan wrote the entirety of fever, I do think it's messed up that P!ATD continued on under that name without him. I do think he was the biggest contributor to their early success, and I won't apologize for that. His songs made the band what it was and HE was the one who got screwed over. I agree that they had equal rights to the name, but the difference is Ryan and Jon didn't use it. They started a new project, Brendon and Spencer should have done the same. I think it's equally messed up that Brendon continued on as Panic! after Spencer left. P!ATD is not BRENDON. It's Ryan, Spencer, Jon, and Brendon. ***And for the record, I don't think it would have been cool for Ryan and Jon to continue on under the name either, especially since Brendon was such a recognizable face for the band. If they couldn't come to an agreement on the band's direction, that should have been the end of panic altogether. My point is that P!ATD was never JUST Brendon so he had no right to treat it as such with his ever revolving pool of disposable backup players
@@shannonsullivan6480 so many issues here. Firstly, you literally are erasing Spencer when you say Ryan "wrote the entirety of Fever". I don't know where you got that from, but it's provably false with the barest amount of googling. Brendon, Spencer and Ryan wrote all the music for the first album together. Ryan wrote the lyrics, NOT all the music. Saying Ryan was the biggest contributor is also erasing Spencer AND is just plain ignorant of the early days of Panic. Spencer was crucial to the band's image as he was primarily in charge of their Fever era theatrics: the make up, the costumes, the staging. Moreover, it was actually Brendon's stage presence that helped propel them to fame. He was charismatic and energetic in a way that no one else in the band was. Together, it was mainly Spencer and Brendon made the live shows exciting, that made the fans fall in love with the band and propel them to fame. Finally, Ryan didn't get screwed over. He wanted to end Panic. He has never (afaik) expressed any kind of bitterness towards Spencer and Brendon for "screwing him over". They wanted to keep the band name and that surprised him. The assertion that he was somehow done wrong in this equation is baseless fanfiction. He wanted a fresh start and he got it. By the time Brendon became the sole member, he had every right to lay claim to the band's name. He drove their initial success with his stage presence, wrote music for every single album, sang on every single album and had contributed more than any other member at that point. Again: for the actual people involved, there is no drama. I cannot imagine how weird it must be for them to have their names constantly dragged into this petty hate campaign by children on the internet. It happened 15 years ago! Let them move on yeesh...
Vices and Virtues is my fave album. Especially the bonus tracks, “Kaleidoscope Eyes” and “Stall Me”. Those songs really helped me and my current partner get through the long distance portion of our relationship.
Finally seeing someone giving love to V&V!!! Stall Me got me into my school’s theater club when I was still in high school and the entire album will always have a special place in my heart 🥰🥰
Thank you for this! I was wondering what happened. I feel so sad about his vocal damage, though. That first clip you played hurt my soul. His voice during the Death of a Bachelor time was golden. I hope he rests and heals.
Unfortunately, due to the bad reputation Brendon has saddled the Panic! name with, the music community will probably never give Ryan Ross and Pretty. Odd. the MASSIVE critical reappraisal that both that man and that album are due. Fever, in my opinion, is a fine album. A few classic songs, a few mid songs, one really bad song. Pretty. Odd., though, is the album that puts Ryan in contention for the single best composer and arranger of the 2000s. It’s one of the greatest albums ever made, and you can feel that Ryan has this almost Brian Wilson-like control of the music. Whereas Fever seems somewhat labored, even forced at times, Pretty. Odd., even with all its lurid imagery and dense orchestras and stacked harmonies, seems easier than breathing for Ryan, springing fully formed from his head. Talent like that is INCREDIBLY rare, and the fact that Brendon Urie, a relatively artless performer, shoved a man like that out of the limelight is potentially the biggest loss to alternative music in the 2000s outside of Elliott Smith’s death
Brendon didn't shove Ryan out the limelight. Major eye roll. Ryan left the band entirely of his own volition. He then massively fumbled the bag by releasing a boring, pastiche Beach Boys cover album. I hate to say it, because I was the biggest Ryan Ross fan back in the day, but the man peaked early and then faded into obscurity.
you didn’t even talk about the cocAINE - (in the most recent tour apparently brendon played the new album front to back to deafening silence with a break in the middle where he went offstage then returned fucking bouncing off the walls)
a fever you can’t sweat out and pretty odd are honestly both in my top ten albums ever, they both have done so much for me i will forever love ryan ross
the young veins are one of my favorite bands to this day. they’re like soul and creativity of panic!’s earlier days. i’m so happy someone did a deep dive on brendon, i remember vices and virtues was the last album i really connected with and even that only had like two or three bangers. everything else on it was really just them trying to imitate what they did previously but with a more walmart shopping isle twist.
the way dallon was treated throughout his time in the band is why i stopped supporting, but i think panic! will always be a part of my heart/being. the first four or five albums are playlist staples, its sad to see it end this way despite the ups and downs
A Fever You Can’t Sweat Out is their only album I’ve listened to and it is a scene kid staple, so I’ll always give ‘em that. Beyond that I don’t know who she is🙃
I love High Hopes 😔 it's the first song I heard when I got out of prison, and became my recovery song. Currently 4 years and 4 months clean, and I never skip it when it comes on. I do agree with all the other points though 😅
Memory unlocked of playing their first CD in my Christian friend’s mom’s car and pretending to hack up a lung during the spicy “wh*re” and “hotter f*ck” lyrics 😂 always listened to them with a side eye, even at 16 attending their 2006 tour with Dresden Dolls and the Hush Sound, TOTALLY remember that “f*ck you after the show” nonsense and being like…tf? 🤨 So glad the algorithm sent you my way, stoked to check out more from you!!
Replying to add…I just remembered OK Go was on that roster too! Honestly one of the best concerts I’ve ever been to - The Hush Sound members were incredibly sweet all selling their merch from the back and watching the show with fans
pretty odd is a masterpiece and i will listen to it over and over until the end of time. it's so fun and beautiful and sunny and colourful and surreal. it makes me so happy. brendon has always kinda been sleazy and i tuned him out after about 2013. i try to just remember panic as the entity they were in the 2000s, that way i can listen to "when the day met the night" on my walks in the park and see the colour in everything and feel bliss...
I’ve waited for someone on the site to release a proper Panic! retrospective since the “breakup”, and I’m so glad it’s you, Kayla~ And yes, I’m on the same wagon on High Hopes; i want a full brain scrub if I hear it in my workplace one more time~
It's easy to explain: lack of creativity, self-gratification, egomania, and further development into becoming the 'lover boy who just becomes a prick'. Bro literally hijacked a band he was invited to by the guy they instantly kicked out.
I still cant believe that girls/girls/boys was ever held up as a lgbt+ song. I was at a show and someone gave urie a pride flag. It always gave me the ick, especially the music video He really wrote about his threesome and got called an Ally, hey? (Yes hes not straight, but was not out at the time)
You know that bisexuals can have threesomes right? Just bc the song is about sex doesn’t mean it stops being lgbt, those can coexist and *do* coexist. Also the implication that you have to be out in order to create lgbt+ themed/based things is very strange and honestly such an invasive way of thinking about real people.
A person doesn't have to be out. To add, at the time it was a milestone because most of media wanted to censor any mention of anything involving same gender relationships.
I remember Taylor praising his singing while recording ME even though he was sick. I know performers push through all the time with smaller issues like that, but doing that WITH poor technique will only speed up vocal deterioration. There’s a reason the lead singer of Disturbed: doesn’t smoke around show days/times; changes live notes if they’re too intense or straining to do night after night; and supports his belt from his damn diaphragm and not his throat/vocal cords. Same concept as a high performance athlete not doing proper ground training. Hope he doesn’t form scar tissue from it bc that would suck so much more than temp damage.
Thanks for making this! I feel like this is the only objective “End of Panic!” video I could find that’s not clouded with fandom. This is exactly how I feel about most of Brendon’s downfall and the fate of the project. I was one of those *2016-wave internet emos* in high school and I was there up until the end of the PFTW era, then 2020 happened and I distanced myself from idolizing Brendon and realized it was their weakest album anyway. When Viva Las Vengeance dropped I had decided it was gonna be the last chance I gave the project as a fan… that was the final nail in the coffin for me. Considering their discography as a whole before 2018, they are still one of my favourite bands of all time, but didn’t feel shit when it ended other than relief. It was time to let go
The whole emo trinity phase of my life was traumatic as it was but panic at the disco was the peak of that. I matured in my enjoyment of other bands(mcr,fob,top etc), but i grew out of panic and just see them as a band I want to forget rather than cherish. It finally ending was just a relief.
