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Koert Debeuf Koert Debeuf is a distinguished adjunct professor of Middle East at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB) and a senior political consultant at Avisa Partners. Through educating the youth and guiding a firm on economic intelligence, global advocacy, and cybersecurity, Koert’s influence has shaped and impacted the lives of both young and old. From 2016-2019, Koert was also the director of the Tahir Institute for Middle East Policy in Europe, a nonprofit organization dedicated to raising awareness of democratic transitions in the Middle East where he gained major insights into Middle East life and culture.
A former editor-in-chief of the EUObserver, Koert has spent most of his life uncovering the hidden stories of the past and the present. His expertise in international politics and communications alongside his passion for Middle East history and culture allowed him to expose the greatest story of all, how the Renaissance actually originated in Baghdad. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx

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@markpiessens847
@markpiessens847 6 месяцев назад
Wow, Koert Debeuf has just given me a serious reality check. This should be a mandatory video for everyone who is convinced that the West is the best. Thanks for putting my feet back on the ground 👍👏
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you, Mark, for your positive comment! All ideas to make the video mandatory are welcome 🙂
@gulcinsayg1711
@gulcinsayg1711 6 месяцев назад
Hello form Turkiye! I can’t thank u enough for your this sensitive and informative video.I was impressed by your evaluation about Bagdad’s contributions on science and culture.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you very much!
@vinifrss
@vinifrss 5 месяцев назад
This is potentially the most seminal TEDx talk I’ve ever seen. Timely relevant, even urgent. The chronological sequence & geographical itinerary of the newest ideas in mathematics, philosophy and science is outstanding!
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you so much! Much appreciated!
@mdtaifurrahman2020
@mdtaifurrahman2020 6 месяцев назад
A brilliant talk
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thanks a lot!
@MsMarissaJeanette
@MsMarissaJeanette 6 месяцев назад
So informative and so much truth spoken! ! Thank you!
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@Pep1nu
@Pep1nu 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for speaking the truth and for your bravery
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you - my pleasure!
@nenajukes
@nenajukes 6 месяцев назад
Perfect. We need to know this ❤
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@ttam2051
@ttam2051 6 месяцев назад
The world would be a better place if we cherish our collective diversity and credit each other for the development of humanity. Simply put, there neither would’ve been a renaissance without the golden age nor a golden age without Ancient Greek philosophy. We build on the contributions of our predecessors Period
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Indeed. I fully agree.
@umarsalisu113
@umarsalisu113 6 месяцев назад
Amazing speech
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you 🙂
@thephilosopher59
@thephilosopher59 5 месяцев назад
Oh I'm loving this! When the human experience is tracked on a journey through history, art, philosophy and truth . Each page can be claimed, changed and explained. Wonderful, wonderful work! I long for the land of place and peace.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you so much for your positive comment!
@robertusaugustus2003
@robertusaugustus2003 6 месяцев назад
I really hope this video receives a wide audience, too many in the West ignore or flat out deny the innumerable contributions of our siblings.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you. I hope so too 🙂
@HMBRTOABLE
@HMBRTOABLE 6 месяцев назад
It’s great he applies this perspective towards his personal life. USA really needs this advice. A lot of old school mentalities that think they still need to be afraid of one another. It’ll only change when you begin to want to change it. Unfortunately, it doesn’t happen within a snap of a finger. It takes time. This was a good talk.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you. It will time indeed, but I do believe in the power of ideas. Let's try to get the message heard.
@mennaayman5461
@mennaayman5461 6 месяцев назад
This is one of the most important and impact full episodes of Tedx ever ❤❤❤ Congratulations and thanks to everyone who contributed in this great work 👏
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you very much for your reaction! Much appreciated!
@anndibsdale
@anndibsdale 3 месяца назад
As someone who loves studying history, this talk was a breath of fresh air, thank you 💜💜
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
I am happy to hear that!
@samanthaabadi
@samanthaabadi 10 дней назад
Yesss thank you! Glad someone is spreading this kind of acknowledgement because there is so much beauty and wisdom to be found within the culture.
@erikdangor
@erikdangor Месяц назад
This talk really made me think about how interconnected and global our history truly is.
@3leftfeet
@3leftfeet 29 дней назад
You can tell he has such a passion for this subject matter. The enthusiasm made it that much more engaging to listen to.
@digitalmarketingwithbrye
@digitalmarketingwithbrye 6 месяцев назад
Thank you...
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
😊
@karimeldaly1007
@karimeldaly1007 6 месяцев назад
It's interesting how civilizations rise and fall throughout history. Leaders belonging to one civilization might think that their power will last forever. They don't know that it's like a young man who might think that he will live forever. That's why those leaders must be fair and good to be remembered in a positive light, just as a good man would be remembered after he dies. Thank you for the amazing speech!
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thanks! You might want to check out Ibn Khaldun. This 14th century thinker had some very interesting theories about the rise and fall of civilizations.
@mennaayman5461
@mennaayman5461 6 месяцев назад
As a middle eastern I feel glad that this lesson exists ❤❤
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Thanks and my pleasure!
@kylelramsay
@kylelramsay 15 дней назад
I gotta say, the way he broke down the journey of knowledge from ancient greeks to baghdad to europe was super well-explained. made it click for me.
@johnjjgravely
@johnjjgravely 3 месяца назад
This talk reminded me of the importance of questioning our assumptions and biases. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking one culture is superior to others, but history proves otherwise.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
Thank you. I agree it is important indeed.
@Borisginger
@Borisginger Месяц назад
As usual by Koert Debeuf, a very balanced and insightful perspective. The narrative being based on personal experience and study makes it very worthwhile to consider. Apart from rewriting history and teaching our children (and not only in the Western world) about other cultures, another great way to learn to respect and value others is by directly meeting them. It’s a privilege when one can do so. Thank you for the interesting initiative towards change!
@saturnsrings3608
@saturnsrings3608 3 месяца назад
I'm so grateful for people like this who want to challenge the status quo and shine a light on forgotten histories.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
Thank you very much!
@md.nurujjamanjubayer3368
@md.nurujjamanjubayer3368 5 месяцев назад
outstanding speech with lots of information. Thank you.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you very much
@liza-zotova
@liza-zotova 2 месяца назад
It's inspiring to learn about the interconnectedness of cultures and how they've influenced each other throughout time!
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 2 месяца назад
Thank you very much!
@advaakashbhurgri
@advaakashbhurgri 6 месяцев назад
It's really amazing
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much!
@snakejohnson2740
@snakejohnson2740 Месяц назад
I wish more people knew about this part of history. It’s so important for understanding our world today, and just how much cultures shared and learnt from one another in the past.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
It is my mission to make more people to know about this. You are welcome to help spread the message! :)
@snakejohnson2740
@snakejohnson2740 Месяц назад
@@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Thanks, I have sent your talk to some friends...
@carliewilferth
@carliewilferth 6 дней назад
The bit about the Tigris river turning bl ack from all the book ink was pretty haunting imagery. Makes you think about just how big of a scale that destruction was on and how much knowledge was lost
@austinjay9486
@austinjay9486 Месяц назад
I went into this skeptical but he quickly won me over with the wealth of compelling evidence and passionate delivery.
@carlyberstani
@carlyberstani 17 дней назад
ok but who else found him really engaging and easy to understand when breaking down these complex historical connections? perfect mix of info and delivery, in my opinion.
@rongigz
@rongigz 4 месяца назад
I've never thought about how history gets written! This is really making me question a lot of those narratives that we just accept
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Absolutely. Our view of history, and thus quite many narratives, are the result of ideological choices centuries ago. In case you are interested, a book of mine on this topic will be published in December.
@therealcadenceflow
@therealcadenceflow 2 месяца назад
This talk made me realize how much we take for granted about where our knowledge comes from. We don't really question any of what we're taught do we?
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
I very much agree. I have started to question a lot of knowledge.
@jaymoneyDollaHolla
@jaymoneyDollaHolla Месяц назад
This really made me question how many other essential civilizations or cultures got erased or diminished in mainstream historical teachings over time and especially all the lost culture and knowledge of colonized places.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
Indeed. The picture is much broader than only the Arab side of the story. It still needs much research though.
@MediaMediums
@MediaMediums 2 месяца назад
I'm really glad someone's out here with content like this. The "middle east" was so much more advanced than what we know and the real setbacks are the years of it being bombed into the ground and colonization before that
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 2 месяца назад
Thank you for your nice comment. I am writing a book on the second part of your comment. In Dutch to start with. I hope it will be translated into English soon.
@mightyFaris
@mightyFaris 5 месяцев назад
Beautiful speech. God bless you.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you very much!
@omkar2485
@omkar2485 16 часов назад
There is so much beauty in that part of the world, maybe it's good people from other places don't know about it. The more people know about something the more it is ruined
@katarinabloom
@katarinabloom 7 дней назад
I wish we could learn about all this in school and also just the culture in general! I've seen photos of their Mosques and just the countries in general look so beautiful. I bet there's so much interesting stuff in their history
@savannahdiego
@savannahdiego 3 месяца назад
This talk reminded me of the importance of inclusivity in education. We need to ensure that all cultures are represented accurately in our history books, so future generations can have a more nuanced understanding of the world.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
I entirely agree. This is very important.
@yahiaeldardery2825
@yahiaeldardery2825 5 месяцев назад
Thank you, From Egypt
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thank you and greetings from Brussels to Egypt, the country where I lived 5 years!
@nostalgic3ctasy433
@nostalgic3ctasy433 2 месяца назад
I never realized how much of our modern world was shaped by the exchange of ideas between different cultures! Kind of cool to think about and makes me feel sad that there isn't this kind of philosophical collaboration anymore
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
I am not sure there is not this kind of cross-pollination anymore. Maybe even more than ever before. But that needs a lot more research. Anyway, you put an interesting point on the table.
@SixtySecondsOrLess
@SixtySecondsOrLess 4 месяца назад
Honestly, I never thought about the origins of algebra and how it shaped our modern world. This talk challenges the Eurocentric view I've grown up with.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
I am happy to hear that. Thank you!
@TheBestCuddleBug
@TheBestCuddleBug 10 дней назад
I feel like I need to rewatch this one just to fully digest how much of our modern world has deeper roots in Islamic/middle eastern history and culture. Really interesting stuff!
@PinkyPinkness
@PinkyPinkness 2 месяца назад
I appreciate how he challenges the Eurocentric view of history. It's important to acknowledge the contributions of other cultures and the more we do it maybe the closer we'll get to actually understanding how everything started
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 2 месяца назад
Thank you very much for your positive comment!
@giovanni-is-here
@giovanni-is-here Месяц назад
Great points about the way we've been conditioned to view the Arabic culture when in reality there's actually so much beauty and peace within it.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
Thank you, and indeed!
@dolly-lolly
@dolly-lolly Месяц назад
Hearing how influential the Islamic world was during its golden age really makes me interested in learning more about that history and culture. I bet there's some really amazing stuff there
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
There are a lot of amazing books about this topic. Let me know if you would like to have some suggestions.
@therealbobhunter
@therealbobhunter 2 месяца назад
Wow good on him for challenging his own knowledge and perspective. It is not easy to open yourself up to the reality that your views and perceptions are incorrect.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
Thank you very much. It was a lesson for me. Since then I try to remain open for new views, and I must say it is so interesting.
@lars793
@lars793 Месяц назад
Excellent talk and congratulations. It is great that despite all elections havoc these days in Europe with some old bad and intolerant ideas coming back in some places, more openness and interest to learn and dig deeper is also getting ground, challenging old views and showing the interconnectivity and cross-breeding across cultures, religious and other beliefs, which shaped human (WO)MANkind. (E.g. College de France talks gives some testimony of that). Just an add-on, the threat to rewrite history and eliminate other cultures' contribution is unfortunately not a European phenomena alone... Look at some, sometimes on-going efforts in more authoritative regimes left and write to eliminate and keep only what suits in history... it is a global threat indeed and task to confront and overcome such negative efforts with enlightening speeches and more, like Koert's talk here. Bravo again 👏 and keep going. I am waiting for your podcast series 🙂
@EdoardoDeLarge
@EdoardoDeLarge 6 месяцев назад
I’m from Milan and Italian school system totally embrace foreign cultures and discoveries.
@stephaneboisjoli1320
@stephaneboisjoli1320 6 месяцев назад
They speak of the contributions of Arabs to science and mathematics?
@EdoardoDeLarge
@EdoardoDeLarge 6 месяцев назад
@@stephaneboisjoli1320 Absolutely yes. Starting from Elementary School, first step after nursery schools. I’m curious to know if in Arab Countries they do the same about European studies and so on.
@sarahrefky600
@sarahrefky600 5 месяцев назад
@@EdoardoDeLarge I’m Egyptian and I can tell you, yes we do in the Arab world embrace all other civilizations and their contributions to history and humanity . I studied since middle school history subject where we studied all the ancient civilizations Egyptian of course which is ours, Greeks, Roman, Persian in the 1st year. Then in 2nd year we studied middle ages, the Islamic Civilization, the ottoman empire, the Mogul empire and The indian empire, also European dark age. Then in the 3rd year, we studied the renaissance in Europe, the colonization of north and South America, the Steam revolution in England up to the modern era. I’m glad to hear that in Italy they teach the influence of other civilizations and cultures.
@EdoardoDeLarge
@EdoardoDeLarge 5 месяцев назад
@@sarahrefky600 Thanks a lot for your message! I’m sure that reality isn’t the one exposed by Debeuf.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
@@EdoardoDeLarge It isn't indeed. This is part of a much larger discussion...
@violetrossi
@violetrossi Месяц назад
They really skipped over all that history in school... no wonder we have such a biased view of the middle east. Well done for shedding light on this.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
Thank you very much!
@raphae-landres
@raphae-landres 26 дней назад
What struck me most was realizing how many crucial figures who advanced human knowledge came from the Middle East, like Al-Khwarizmi with algebra. Very interesting.
@ailamacdonald
@ailamacdonald 4 месяца назад
Damn okay, I had no idea there was so much history and contributions from the Islamic world! Feeling pretty inspired to learn about the interconnectedness of cultures throughout history.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
Thank you. I can guarantee you your search for interconnectedness of cultures throughout history will be fascinating.
@RiazulIslam-no1gi
@RiazulIslam-no1gi 3 месяца назад
Nice video ❤❤❤
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
Thank you :)
@TheMassNova
@TheMassNova Месяц назад
It’s sad that so much knowledge was lost in the destruction of Baghdad... kind of like what happened to the library of Alexandria. There's really no telling just what was lost or how much further ahead we would be had those things not happened.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
Very sad indeed.
@keithmlawrence
@keithmlawrence 4 месяца назад
It's so sad to think that all the beauty and art from such a rich culture can be erased and ignored because of how they're portrayed now just to fit political agendas.
@valeriedijkstra
@valeriedijkstra 4 месяца назад
Change starts with acknowledging the contributions of all cultures and I can't help but wonder how much of other cultures history/contributions has been erased?
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Indeed, it is a enormous work to try to find out the contributions of all cultures. Working on it :)
@raulascaso
@raulascaso 5 месяцев назад
As a history buff, I appreciate the deep dive into the Islamic Golden Age. It's a shame some of this knowledge got buried over time. We need more presentations like this to bridge cultural understanding.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much. I wish I could give more TEDx talks on this topic! 🙂
@iamthetroublefinder
@iamthetroublefinder 22 дня назад
I had no idea the foundations of so much of modern science and philosophy originated from the Islamic Golden Age. This really changes my perspective and I think it would do that for a lot of people
@josiemartaine4743
@josiemartaine4743 5 месяцев назад
This is so mind-blowing, and also the stuff about algebra coming from Indian numbers? I guess we just assume the ancient world was so isolated from one another but they really weren't.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
The ancient world was very related indeed. Thanks for your comment!
@IAmTheRealMagicMan
@IAmTheRealMagicMan 4 месяца назад
The thing he keeps coming back to about how religious truth is for the masses and scientific truth is for the philosophers, that's honestly pretty interesting to me, I feel like it's the other way around nowadays.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
I am not sure I understand what you mean. How is it different nowadays?
@IAmTheRealMagicMan
@IAmTheRealMagicMan 4 месяца назад
@@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Maybe it's just a western thing but I see more and more people abandoning any kind of religious faith and putting more stock in science
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
@@IAmTheRealMagicMan Thank you for clarifying. You are right, certainly in the West. In other parts of the world it seems to be more complicated.
@ivania321
@ivania321 6 месяцев назад
La unión hace la fuerza ❤ togetherness makes us stronger ❤
@johnbradey
@johnbradey 4 месяца назад
Okay I knew a lot of stuff about how a lot of mathematics is actually Arabic but all the philosophy stuff is really cool!
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Thanks!
@user-fb5xk8pg9w
@user-fb5xk8pg9w 4 месяца назад
GOOD
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Thanks!
@varunl6948
@varunl6948 5 месяцев назад
👏👏👏
@henryichu
@henryichu 5 месяцев назад
Yeah it's unbelievable how euro-centric the majority perspective is in terms of how society has developed.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Indeed. I was actually pretty shocked how widespread this was.
@SpeckledDude
@SpeckledDude 10 дней назад
Finally got some insight into how religion and the church actively suppressed so much enlightening knowledge and progress back then. Sad but important to know.
@michaelhunt635
@michaelhunt635 19 дней назад
Kinda trippy to think about how our modern numbering system originated from arabic numerals that came from india. the connectivity of it all is wild.
@saam6768
@saam6768 Месяц назад
"is it possible, that it is still convenient to some people today?" the powerful everywhere and all through time divide the people to keep them from looking up.
@user-hm1gc1vb9b
@user-hm1gc1vb9b 5 месяцев назад
❤❤❤❤
@gabekilljoy
@gabekilljoy 4 месяца назад
I've always found it interesting (and heart-breaking) how it seems a common theme for invaders back then to destroy all the books and the knowledge. I'm sure there's a tactical reason they did that but it seems such a waste.
@Earning001
@Earning001 5 месяцев назад
I love my country India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
@janetpannel
@janetpannel 4 месяца назад
So what I'm hearing is that immigrants have been helping boost both the scientific and philosophical aspects of a culture for literal centuries and we _still_ haven't learnt to embrace them?
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
You make a very good point indeed.
@julienewmans
@julienewmans Месяц назад
Why don’t we learn more about these Islamic philosophers in school? They've had such a huge impact, seems kind of wrong that we never learn about them. And I went to school before 9/11.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux Месяц назад
Good question! As a matter of fact Arabic philosophy was erased from the History of Philosophy in the 18th and 19th century, as German scholars believed philosophy was about the truth, the truth is Christian and thus European. Arabic philosophy was therefore step by step sidelined in our history and our education. My book about this will appear at the end of 2024, in case you are interested in more details. :)
@thephilosopher59
@thephilosopher59 Месяц назад
@@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux somewhat shocking, however not surprising. In the power of creation, this has so little to do with "the God of my understanding." Power is delivered to the masses and created in the name of beliefs. The War of Differences has nothing do with the love and protection of its people. It has everything to do with control and spreading fear among the people, fear of those who do not believe as I. Philosophy that is side stepped, threatens dogma and control over the masses. Let's call upon and create Chaos!
@pamcampbell3920
@pamcampbell3920 3 месяца назад
I was surprised to hear him say he was a historian and a philosopher and hadn't known about how beautiful Islamic culture is. Sure I get the whitewashing of basic history but I assumed anyone who studied ancient history in school would know
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
Well, I share your surprise. Btw, in many schools that is still not the case, unfortunately.
@SabrenMontaser
@SabrenMontaser 6 месяцев назад
❤❤❤❤❤
@keithpotter7366
@keithpotter7366 2 месяца назад
To be fair most "western" countries were colonized by Europeans so to me it makes a lot of sense that all the history we'd be taught is Eurocentric. The more globalization comes into effect though the more this will be corrected, hopefully.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 2 месяца назад
True. That's why indeed it is our mission to correct this Eurocentric view. All help is welcome!
@thomasdequincey5811
@thomasdequincey5811 4 месяца назад
My response to this talk - so what?
@ecophobiabob1669
@ecophobiabob1669 4 месяца назад
Yeah I knew there was going to be a part of the story that was a bummer. The 7:00 mark was definitely it for me. Why do invaders always want to take out the knowledge first?
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 4 месяца назад
Interesting point. I assure you the destruction of the House of Wisdom is one of the biggest "bummers" of history. However, no all invaders destroyed knowledge luckily. If not, not much knowledge would have been left!
@thisisarchiegraves
@thisisarchiegraves 3 месяца назад
I don't agree that science says our soul is mortal/dies with the body. Science acknowledges that energy can't be destroyed, and what is our soul if not the energy of us?
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 3 месяца назад
For all clarity, I am not giving my opinion on the soul. I only try to explain how ideas about the soul travelled through history. You have the absolute right to disagree.
@thisisarchiegraves
@thisisarchiegraves 2 месяца назад
@@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux we agree to disagree then, all cool
@rafhermans3956
@rafhermans3956 5 месяцев назад
Koert says at 2:44 "what I learned was that our real history looks very differently." Waw! Koert is rewriting history. Koert is a genius. What Koert should know is that history is a set of lies agreed upon. Koert should have said: "I think that the real history looks very differently." Koert should have said: "propaganda changes the course of history." It is very painful to hear politicians talk about history. Nevertheless: the Umayyad mosque is wonderful. Koert sure knows how to lure us into his propaganda. Koert never mentions how the US bombed Bagdad. Koert never mentions how Islam in Europe now differs from homeland Islam. Warmongers will always recover history. I'm very interested on Koert's historical views regarding Russian culture in these dark days. What I think I really want to say is how ridiculously lighthearted and pretentious this "exposé" is.
@chrokamal3877
@chrokamal3877 5 месяцев назад
Thank you, you'r the first weastern can understand islam. anothers without understand us intriduce us as terorist.😊
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
I don't think I am the first, but thank you for your comment! ;-)
@farahjuniper9214
@farahjuniper9214 2 месяца назад
Imagine a world without the contributions of Islamic scholars... things would be so different.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 2 месяца назад
It is actually hard to imagine! Thanks for pointing out.
@mohammedshoib60
@mohammedshoib60 5 месяцев назад
24/02/2024
@user-yi7ru4uw1v
@user-yi7ru4uw1v 5 месяцев назад
Al xarazmiy and avitsenna not persian. They was born in uzbekistan.
@SeverusAlexanderAugustus
@SeverusAlexanderAugustus 2 месяца назад
How many more pro-Islam talks do we need to hear...we got it. Islam is the religion of peace and the best thing that ever happened to humanity. Does anyone know why these people feel the need to keep trying to convince us? I mean we don't have the same propaganda from "intellectuals" for any other religion. It's beyond parody at this stage.
@user-tw2nq2cg9w
@user-tw2nq2cg9w 5 месяцев назад
Their new found religious beliefs helped to put them aside. Most of the inventions were made by non-religious philosophers.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
That's an interesting remark on which there is a lot of debate
@mdnooruddin5065
@mdnooruddin5065 5 месяцев назад
Fake views
@Yor1908
@Yor1908 6 месяцев назад
Another nice explication from a white European male. Thanks my Belgium friend. Not really sure your fellow countrymen would agree with your vision, especially those who are from Molenbeek. We all need to embrace and respect history, everybody knows the about the fantastic things the Persians and Egyptians have done for the worlds history. I do not back your claim on this subject. At the same time we are made to feel ashamed of our own white European history and many people feel this should be erased from memory. Nobody dares to stand up against this movement, all the European leaders bow their heads in guilt and apologize for things they have no influence on. We all need to look at history and learn from it, not twist it and leave things out. Learn from eachother, there is only one history and that is of the world. Be honest and learn.
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for your comment. There is still a lot to be researched and this goes slowly. We will get there some day, but we have to challenge 300 years of history writing.
@zmix
@zmix 6 месяцев назад
The intro music is 100 x louder than the presentation..
@armandocastillorodriguez1731
@armandocastillorodriguez1731 6 месяцев назад
El huesos
@rig4365
@rig4365 6 месяцев назад
I am in the west. I felt like i was being sooken to in a condescending manner and really i learned nothing new.
@ttam2051
@ttam2051 6 месяцев назад
It’s because you choose to perceive his message in that way. He is narrating history as it was. Facts dont care about your feelings
@rig4365
@rig4365 6 месяцев назад
@@ttam2051 lol... you seem upset by my comment. Read again. I never questioned the history. I did say he was condescending. Anyway, my facts don't care about your feelings
@stephaneboisjoli1320
@stephaneboisjoli1320 6 месяцев назад
You learned nothing new because your mind was closed to it, because you thought it was personal. It was not.
@ttam2051
@ttam2051 6 месяцев назад
@@rig4365 Whatever makes you sleep at night
@rig4365
@rig4365 6 месяцев назад
@@stephaneboisjoli1320 riiiight
@ghostfifth
@ghostfifth 6 месяцев назад
Maybe because it was an Italian phenomenon that happened with the backing of super rich elite...
@mennaayman5461
@mennaayman5461 6 месяцев назад
Yeah and supernaturals just not Middle Easterns or Muslims 😂
@mennaayman5461
@mennaayman5461 6 месяцев назад
Seriously?
@theasalsera
@theasalsera 6 месяцев назад
Middle of where and East of what/who?
@mennaayman5461
@mennaayman5461 6 месяцев назад
The world
@mennaayman5461
@mennaayman5461 6 месяцев назад
Bfr
@fteichmann86
@fteichmann86 6 месяцев назад
I think people are well aware that a lot of algebra and medicine is based on Arab science. The reason why Arab culture doesn’t play a role in our view of the renaissance is because of the religious development in Arab/islamic countries like sharia law. It’s not because of war a major city was destroyed in the past it’s because of their religious views inhibit scientific growth. (To an extent like all religions but Islam seems to be extrem)
@mightyFaris
@mightyFaris 5 месяцев назад
All monotheistic religions had a Shariah but Jews and Christians chose to ignore it while Muslims stuck to it. It's that simple.
@nadil2631
@nadil2631 6 месяцев назад
he still didn't explain the vanishing of middle-east from rennaissance, just the contribution
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux
@KoertDebeuf-mi4ux 2 месяца назад
That's true. If you only have 15 minutes, you have to make choices. I would love to do another talk about the vanishing part.
@scotttube
@scotttube 6 месяцев назад
I am going to relisten to this, i apologize
@nimmir7099
@nimmir7099 6 месяцев назад
Waiting for Ashwini Govindarajus tedx talk & speech
@googll1
@googll1 6 месяцев назад
The video is not working anymore
@adrianparamanov4306
@adrianparamanov4306 6 месяцев назад
So fun it will be when we will be asked to rewrite also our laws to correspond Shariah...😂
@mightyFaris
@mightyFaris 5 месяцев назад
And I thought people who watch Ted where intellectuals. Jews had a Shariah brought by Moses and the many prophets sent to them. Christians had a Sharia brought by Jesus. And Muslims have a Sharia brought by Muhammad. Jews and Christians corrupted their Sharia while Muslims didn't. Google 'Sharia' and see what it translates to in Arabic and what it actually means in Arabic.
@entlasaiteja7419
@entlasaiteja7419 6 месяцев назад
In present day context to give you a picture: Indians were dealing with AI when your western ancestors were thinking earth is flat and sun revolves around the earth 😂
@rig4365
@rig4365 6 месяцев назад
Right. 🙄
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