How the Nintendo GameCube Security was defeated | MVG 

They got their revenge

they do what nintendon't

The long con

@@waifu_png_pl6854 omg lol

The dreamcast proved they had no clue when it came to making their products secure lol. (Unless we're talking about the Saturn, that thing took forever to fully crack.)

They had a couple talented hackers, and they made every effort to keep their methods secret so they wouldn't have competition. If only they'd put that much effort into quality control, they would have been great...

@Daood Zafar I'm not sure but I think there are still new Action Replay carts being made for Saturn too.

@@renakunisaki I've seen a video about them; IIRC they have a whole laboratory for reverse engineering silicon and stuff.

Good security researchers can do some stuff that borders on magic. And the software engineer and those security researchers have a different sort of way of looking at things at least a couple really good ones that I have met

@@renakunisaki yea they had to cheap out somewhere. Hackers need paychecks too

You should do a video about gaming in India

Why are there basically no likes to this comment?

Fancy seeing you here

old man

i neve owned nintendo too.

-random capitalization of the letter W in "flaw" -only one space in places where there should be three when using that sort of spacing -lack of punctuation, boldness, and asterisks -"has" should not be capitalized Are you trying to say something?

@@fishactivation5087 Oh god, I've seen people making fun of someone when they try to correct a minor mistake (like spelling "your" instead of "you're") by calling them a "grammar nazi". And then you show up.

>Lack of punctuation I see you’re new to the internet

@@MIITRIN Yeah, sure. Eleven years of experience and I'm still jokingly considered to be new to the concept.

@@fishactivation5087 you aren't better than everyone else by using grammar on a yoUtube COMMENT section

thank you my dude!

its still active lol its such a good emulation machine, and now everything is updatable through the wii itself lol

@@dogsbecute Yeah I'm sure it is. I've moved on now to switch now but I've got great memories of the Wii. Yet everyone I know hated it

The Wii homebrew scene was great. It really made up for the lack of good games on the system, and the amazing emulation capabilities were nice to have in the days when USB gamepads were harder to find and it was hard to hook up a PC to a big-screen TV. I can't wait for MVG to describe what happened with the Wii scene. It was a few years of everybody being totally clueless until Team Twiizers opened the floodgates and everybody was just laughing at its security.

@XwZdrl What now? The Wii was a great succes. Can do months with batteries lol.

@XwZdrl There's no way the console failed lol. Dude it the will had over 100 million sales.

@Aziryse they haven't proven it. Don't trust em. Unless they reply with an answer.

You used to be able to get a free subscription by buying a $20 visa giftcard and hooking it up to your profile. It would go for months before it finally cut you off.

Are you sure that you were the person to discover the backdoor in Phantasy Star Online? I see that your comment is edited. 🤔

@@thema1998 exactly

Why does it matter if they are lying? They gave good information

Big brain

Its almost like a *Game* console that looks like a *Cube*

hear*

ITS RECTANGULAR

I do think it's unique shape is a big part why the Gamecube is so fondly remembered. There simply isn't really any major game system that look like it. The PS2 is just a rectangle. Most gaming systems have that shape.

Man, it's kinda sad how I came later at the PSU era. I'm thinking of trying PSOBB Ephinea on my own this month. God bless PSP2I for the amount of PSO goodies on there though.

Ye

My cousins had an indigo one too they played monster house

Can you still play this game

Weekend sleepover with pso running the whole time. Good times man

yes, the hackers have fun and gain knowledge, and companies spend millions in R&D and have to deal with piracy.

Despite that, the use of these hacks is always very niche. 99% of people just buy the games rather than risk their time (and even bricking their system) in order to pirate games. It's only many years later after a system is discontinued that more people try modding and hacking it.

⁠@@thebasketballhistorian3291everyone i know has atleast 2 modded consoles

​@@thebasketballhistorian3291very much not true. Maybe in the US (loyalty and feelings towards companies? Wtf?!), but in most of the world, PS2 modchips were standard. Basically every town had a guy that made a living off modding PS2s and copying games. And every kid had to have a PS2 with loads of burned games.

this

I only had one game that used star force and I think it was i-ninja. I didn't like the fact that Windows 98 wanted to restart after installing the game. I was like it's a game it's not like I've just installed drivers or something..oh wait..

I didnt had drive broken with StarForce DRM, but had occasional boot loops. With old BIOS I could boot into security mode and uninstall the game, nowadays I would be screwed because accessing the boot menu on Windows with UEFI is almost impossible, the easiest method is to press Shift at the login screen then restart, but if you cant at least access the login screen, bad luck.

Jeff Sousa when the boot process fails a couple of times it will give you the option to go in to the bios automatically.

​@@eindeend IF you restart your pc 3 times ( if it fails to boot 3 times in a row) it will launch into repair mode where you can do many things so restore (or clean) your drive.

ASMR dude

Same, but you feel accomplished when you sort of understand things here and there.

@@Mythical444 Never heard something so accurate

Because one day, some of your particular interests and inspirations from something you like to spend time on will add up to something that is productive for your long-term life, like a hobby or work. Maybe it isn't to do with hacking consoles, who knows but the principle I'm trying to express here is that it's important to follow your interests in something.

@@saltservice4024 Sounds about right. I went from having fun fixing PCs and finding fixes through RU-vid and Google. To being a certified I.T with a great job

I'm always amazed when I hear how people have done it. Honestly have no idea where you would even start with doing this

Would you say that your click.... Was baited?

Song for Eternal Story.

theme song 4 life

Always loved the game, still have my original copy.

What a game it was

Seriously.

Ainsley

Stahp, even thought AMD bought ATI, it's 2 completely different companies now. ATI is accurate because that is what Nintendo advertised they were using. There is even a sticker on the gamecube. If he said "graphics made by AMD", that would be even more inaccurate as AMD was a CPU manufacturer back then.

@@vedi0boy Sure.

@@vedi0boy but AMD absorbed ATI in 2006?

@@vedi0boy No, AMD and ATI are not "2 completely different companies now". And he said "[...]now know as ATI" and that is inaccurate. Why do I keep looking at these god awful YT comments.

Afraid of lawsuits from Nintendo and weakening there legal position.

What was it that they put in those games that hacked all the 6th Generation consoles. You had one job lol

they're spy games, really ironic

Ah, agent under fire ps2 exploit.

GTA liberty city stories did it for the psp, twilight princess did it for the wii and smash bros brawl did it for the wii part of the wiiU.

AMD has owned ATI since 2006. They were founded in 1985. ATI did however buy ArtX in 2000 which is probably what MVG meant.

@VideoGamePlayer ATI/AMD surely has made a lot of disappointing products, but they also have made some stand outs like the HD5870, 1950XTX, and 9700 Pro. In the last few years they have made some ok mid range cards. I remember my HD5870 ran OpenGL applications just fine and I'm sure it has only gotten better especially due to AMD's effort to make good Linux drivers.

@@Tore299 Yes, that's what MVG meant, and he is right, but as you said, ATi got swallowed up by AMD in 2006, which does mean that AMD owns ATi and its subsidiaries by proxy

@@Tore299 ohh, this helped, now I see

People in this scene usually know who ATI is, not ArtX, so just saying ATI is enough to give us an idea. Plus, Nintendo clearly advertised the use of ATI graphics.

WAS.

It still is, still alive and well I ordered an AR couple weeks ago

You can't even add codes in their compatible with Wii AR discs. Only their old out of print AR disc let you add codes. The GC has been the hardest console for me to mess with games without having to hack the system.

@@AirshBornely you know what to do then

Honestly they always made terrible junk, they just were a bit clever in getting around copy protections. Most of their products were extremely flimsy, super buggy, and had terrible UI. They made them dirt cheap and gave zero fucks if it actually worked. Freeloader for Wii is a perfect example. By the time the discs actually got into stores, the exploit they used had been patched. Datel didn't care and was perfectly happy to continue selling this disc that wouldn't actually work for 99% of people. (Only if you had held off updating the system it would work, but you'd be unable to play any newer games.)

MVG said he's not gonna do another Switch video because of Nintendo.

The switch was defeated easily because it's software had reused the Wii U's protection and only modify it to work with the switch

The video about the switch was taken down by Nintendo, unfortunately.

@@chillstoneblakeblast3172 no, the Switch security is a lot higher than the Wii U one, Nintendo learned the lesson and the Switch security would be great... if it wasn't because of Nvidia and their RCM (Recovery Mode), which had an exploit that allowed to run code before the system booted up, newer systems have the exploit patched, that's why the security can't be used Now tell me, if what you said was right (Using Wii U security), why the hell newer systems aren't be able to use the exploit? That supposition is stupid

TLDR nvidia forgot to lock debug mode after production now a paper clip defeats the switch

they were pretty easy to get back in the day.

What are you talking about? Sony even advertised their direct to DVD camcorders with TV commercials showing little kids burning mini DVDs and popping them directly into the DVD player to surprise their parents on movie night. Recordable mini-DVD was common and ubiquitous. You could get them at Circuit City, Best Buy, or even Walmart and K-Mart.

@@emmettturner9452 Depends on your location. I hardly saw any of those either.

Could easily buy them in bulk online back then.

I have a couple mini DVD-R blanks on my desk. Maxxell still makes them.

SNES also had online functionality, but I think it was restricted to Asian region's

@@chillhour6155 shit really? wow

Nah, if it's not about the Nintendo Switch, they won't really care as they washed their hands of the systems years ago. Even a hacking history video of the Original Wii, I doubt they would really care. They would rather focus on the current console and not the older ones.

Definitely. That's why they closed the biggest emulation portals.

@GreyZX what, they gave that up the last time they striked this channel only a few weeks ago? somehow i doubt that

I was thinking the same thing. 😂

​@Whitebeard The Drunken Pirate Given there's been a history of bootlegging Nintendo games (the NES specifically), they've probably gone into paranoid overdrive about that sort of thing.

You're gotta be kidding 😜.

Many beers were held for a long time

I mean he said pirates, which is close

1:09

But could gamecube play DVDs?

Gamecube had some gigantic shortcomings compared to it's rivals though. The tiny discs were a joke. 1.5gb compared to 9gb DVDs on PS2 and Xbox meant that GCN games were always horribly compressed, or criminally small. So many third party games of the era were more than 5gb, and devs weren't interested in gimping the hell out of their games just for a GCN port, so Nintendo screwed themselves out of third party support for the second generation in a row. Also, the GCN was capable of drawing 12 million polygons per second, which might have looked very impressive to Nintendo while they were developing the system, considering their out-going console - the N64, was capable of just 150,000 polys/sec. But the problem was Nintendo hadn't accurately predicted how capable Sony and Microsoft's consoles would be. The PS2 was capable of 75 million polys/sec, and the OG Xbox could do a whopping 125 million. Suddenly, with their console clearly being much slower than their rivals, and their storage format being literally a 6th of the size of their competitors' format, the GCN looked very weak in comparison.

@@formulajuan5762 thankfully the gamecube had an awesome lineup of first party games. And not every single game used the full 9gb on the disc so there was a lot of decent ports on the gamecube

@@formulajuan5762 ehh nah

@@nadirjofas3140 what do you mean nah, its part of the reason it didn't do aswell, games either had to remove so much content or or cut heavily down on quality of most things. even though the gamecube was more powerful of the three, it didn't make a difference because only first titles leverage it to its full extent and any third party games were reduced visually and had missing aspects that were seen on the PS2 and XBOX versions. Nintendos piracy justifications was understandable but was defeated easily, if they had just gone with DVDs the gamecube probably would've done way better in general, due to more games better performance, but nintendo is nintendo

WuselDusel Perhaps it’s possible in principle but I don’t believe you could execute the Datel method with a typical DVD burner either. It’s not the burnable media that I see as a problem, if you had the right hardware I think a burned disk would work. However most disk burners simply don’t support the level of software control required to implement this nonstandard encoding method. When it comes to writing to the disk a typical burner works more like a “typewriter” than a “printer” the burner has a finite number of modes and knows how to write 1s & 0s in those modes, the burning software doesn’t have the level of control necessary to make the hardware do anything else.

you need a disk press for that

there is one a pair of twezers did the trick

damn i really wanna know

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