How the Old Republic defeated the all-powerful DARTH VITIATE - Republic History #10 

What was that about a night of a thousand tears?

@@lordcurze No, that happened to the Mandalorians.

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They did Revan dirty in SWTOR just for the sake of letting a bunch of kids beat Vitiate as a group of nameless generic characters. Revan was like the Anakin Skywalker of his day and KOTOR 3 should have been the story of how he took down the Sith Emperor.

@@BigUriel I'm going to argue that at this point there are quite a few plot points where it has justified that the "bunch of kids" defeated Vitiate where Revan could not. Because first and foremost Revan was a balance of Sith and Jedi and Vitiate has locked him up for ages himself. He simply didn't have the support he needed to take on the Emperor. Once the threat of Vitiate seems very real, that's when both sides thought this guy is very dangerous, maybe Revan was right. At one point in SWTOR both Jedi and Sith were very apprehensive of Revan because he was a Jedi with Sith teachings and vice versa. And he basically turned both states against him for recruiting traitors for his cause. That's obviously a bit of a no no

Well if only Rey was around that time 🕰️ She could’ve just killed him off by looking at his face with squinty eyes 👀 or maybe Just a little bit of intensity.

@@BigUriel And that completely ruined the end of the Revan novel. Could have ended great, but they had to make it match the Shadow of Revan bullshit.

@@BigUriel cope boy

A Dark Jedi sect masquerading as a Sith Empire.

You went to college, we get it

It's too based to live.

I’m confused why was he saying that made vitiate a bad sith, isn’t that the whole point of the sith ? That they’re all super selfish and want to be gods

​@@DrBoofenstein i'm a bit confused who said that Vitiate is a bad sith? But if you want to know if Vitiate is a good sith or not well that depends on you point of view. In a way he's the greatest sith because of his ambiton, lust for power, the sucess of his empire and his willingles to break his chains which in this case is being free of death. However he didn't 100% follow the sith code and practised some teachings of other orders even the jedi which isn't really a bad thing but some could se it as being against the sith code. Plus his plans would effectivly destory the sith empire and most of the known galaxy only to replace it by an empire that is not really loyal to the dark side and the way of the sith. Even the ancient sith spirits didn't support Vitiate because he even by their standard he was going way to far and thinking only of himself and not even a little about what's best for the sith order or the dark side itself. That's why Marka Ragnos and the other sith spirits on Korriban were wiling to declare Exar kun the dark lord of the sith despite knowing that Vitiate is out there. This is also why Vitiate tried to seal Naga Sadows tomb and also why Sadows spirit trying to destroy one of his infitrators that Vitiate sent to seal the tomb.

@@MNN1991 Vitiate held great power, but ultimately the old Dark Lords would always have a trick up their sleeves that could undo him and he knew it. That’s why so much of Korriban in the game is studied and lived in, he’s trying to wash away the old Dark Side presence with the New. It’s also why you take part in many missions on Yavin 4 during the game too

@@MNN1991 vitiate ultimately lived so long that he grew beyond the sith and their ideas. That was the whole point of him being valkorion and the eternal empire. Thats why in echoes of oblivion all sith and all jedi teamed against him. His plan was to consume the star wars galaxy and reach other worlds and experience life in all of them. His motivation was more sinister than the sith code itself.

The Treaty of Coruscant never gave 2/3s of the Galaxy to the Sith. More like 1/3 at the absolute most

My main was the Hero of Tython... I feel so hypervigilant about Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion at this point, having already had to kill him 4 times. I'd like to think that life returning to Nathema, followed by that final confrontation with him accompanied by all of the ghosts of Jedi and Sith past who opposed him is a sign he's gone for good this time but I find I can't allow myself to lull into that sense of security, lest it be false.

@@HouseOfAlastrian well im hopeful they wont use him a 5th time for story.

@@HouseOfAlastrian a grey sith inquisitor is better or sith warrior because you were his wrath

@@Matli1804 Well the Hero of Tython was mentally enslaved by the Emperor the same as Revan for a time. In fact, when going to take him down the final time, Lord Scourge even describes how that has kind of 'vaccinated' the Hero of Tython from the Emperor's further influence, just as his own connection to the Emperor as the previous Wrath before our Sith Warrior and Kira Carsen's connection as one of the Children of the Emperor. So yeah, as the Emperor's Wrath you do have some measure of poetic justice in taking down the Emperor that final time... although you weren't made 'immortal' like your predecessor, Scourge, was. As for Darth Nox/Oculus/Imperius... well that character is about as connected to the Emperor as the Barsen'thor is... which is to say not directly. Yeah, they did serve on the Dark Council for a brief time while the Emperor was still on the throne of the Sith Empire... but that's no more directly connected than the Barsen'thor, who rooted out the Children of the Emperor, including the First Son himself.

You know why you get chills by that? Because the statement is true. IF your willing to sacrifice you can have anything in this world. But do you have the WILL to make that choice and survive it? From small things to very large things sacrifices are made. From Time to BLOOD.

Of course, it threw all of itself at the Republic.

The republic is lead by the senate

@@evmarekaj Senate = Palpatine :D

@@NetherCrafterSMC well Palpatine wasn't existing yet so not yet

He is the Senate

IM TOO BUSY TO DIE!---The man with one of the most evil names in 40k history screams in the background.

Do not underestimate the tenacity of the sith - Grandmaster Shan

He truly was the closest a dark side mortal ever came to pleasing Typhojem...

I hear you there

I’m literally playing that mission while watching this

Not even BioWare wants to acknowledge Meetra Surik by name

@@sarodanadian6496 it's a shame truly

Man I put in a lot of work to do that like 15 years ago, sith always picking fights with me and stuff. Still among my favorite games of all time

Farming, really? Man of your talents?

He probably got bored and became a farmer

Well, the Plagiues novel never mentions Valkorion. So I think that Plaguies wasn't aware that Vitiate went on to take a new face and his ultimate fate and the hands of the Commander

@@Mobysimo no it mentions vitiate that He was the only one who achieved the immortality

@@lordrsw9098 like true emperor fashion he went on to grow cabbages

The longest ruling dark lord of all time (Darth Jar Jar)

Though there's an argument to be made (if you recognize The Rise of Skywalker as canon) that Palpatine actually embodied Vitiate in some fashion.

@@nerysghemor5781 Dude, I gave The Rise of Skywalker a chance, & it made zero sense whatsoever. Even Palpatine was all over the place, especially with his motivations. Motivation #1. Wanted Kylo Ren to kill Rey, end the Jedi For all time. Motivation #2. Wanted Rey to kill him, so his spirit would inhabit Rey, & could rule through her. Motivation #3. Wanted to siphon The Force from both Rey & Ben Solo to full restore him. The Rise of Skywalker essentially ruined Palpatine as a character...

@@Groundrunner100 I didn’t like it either. Still thought of Vitiate during that part though.

@@nerysghemor5781 I for one hoped that Vitiate was Snoke.

They are extremely wasteful, but also super interesting

Yeah it is definitely a much more interesting dynamic, having thousands of Sith all trying to claw their way as high up the totem pole as they can get. Though the whole point of the Sith order that went on to form the Galactic Empire was to set up a Dark Side regime that would not eat itself the way every Sith Empire before it did.

Nihilus technically, what Vitiate used was an advanced ritual version of drain I believe.

@Exar kun The dark side cosmic entity Doesnt mean he cant eat worlds he just did it too much.

Nihulus birth and crave to consume life consumed himself always feeding his hunger While vitiate ( I don’t remember it well ) did a more advanced form to consume life without letting the force consume him

@Exar kun The dark side cosmic entity No you miss understand Being like exar kun Vitiate and palpaltine couldnt stand Living with out the force. Its like oxygen. That first breath. Once you take that first breath you are depending on it. Untill you die. With out breathing you die. With out the force you die. Force is magic so in this sense you dont really die but it goes against anything a sith would ever do. The force shall FREE ME> means with out the force you are NOTHING. Only one person made the choice to willfully be NOTHING. Out of fear of course. But the choice was made. And that choice allowed them to beat the most powerful being in the galaxy. The being of hunger. Unending hunger is pure cancer. There is no end and not even the gods can beat it.

@@somerandomperson7431 nope. On nathema he used a machine god named zildrog to wipe out all life on the planet except him. The ritual he used was to feed on the deaths similar to how he was able to do on ziost. Speaking of ziost, what happened there was: once he was able to achieve enough deaths in a short amount of time, a tear in the force was created. Using a ritual he used to tear to unleash a death wave across the planet and once again fed on the deaths, absorbing everything inside himself giving him official "god" status.

Honestly once we get to the Ruusan reformation things get pretty boring for a thousand years. Mostly the Jedi keeping peace in the galaxy while the rule of two Sith work in the shadows to undermine the galactic republic and set the stage for the Prequel era with Plagueis and Sidious.

No one could've stopped him and his family. Not even Sidious

@@ephraimbroughton5738 true very true indead

@@ephraimbroughton5738 Sidious is considered to be more powerful than him as George referred to him as the most powerful Sith. Even the old EU must bow before Lucas canon.

Okay. There's no denying Sidious is powerful. He's the most powerful sith Lord of his time or era which ever you look at it. Now legends info we can all say Sidious can win, but we don't know how powerful Vitiate really was most of his power is still shrouded in mystery.

The power of Vitiate sucking the force life from every living thing on his home planet was insane. Anyone force sensitive that went there couldnt last long.

I recommend playing the Old Republic MMO, everything he covered here can be played Solo in the game

@@calebburgess8670 I'm actually downloading it right now haha. I'm not usually an MMO gal but hey, what's the worst that could happen lol?

@@ixkahn it's pretty amazing, I'd recommend jedi knight class for the closest "KOTOR 3" experience

@@ixkahn Hey I’ve been playing the Jedi Knight story which is like the unofficial KOTOR 3 and I have yet to do any actual MMO stuff, I recommend looking up a solo story guide for the game that’ll keep things from being confusing

@@calebburgess8670 thanks, I'll do that c:

Exar kun The dark side cosmic entity imagine if they have a short revival of The Order of the Terrible Glare and a Sith Cult that worships "The Goddess" (avatar of Abeloth) and have them cause chaos across the galaxy. Pockets of Pius Dea remnants that survived across the galaxy after The Battle of Ulqine via miracles and clever escape vectoring could be relocated and serve as the backbone for the Cult to gain enough numbers to actually pose a threat to the weakened Republic and equally drained Sith Empire. Arcane force magics, religious fanaticism, and gruesome warfare tactics could make them an extremely dangerous enemy to both Jedi and Sith. What do you think about this kind of expansion to the game? And if this "ain't it" what would *you* personally like to see for a new expansion story?

Malgus seems to be looking for a relic from an ancient sith. Doesn't seem to have anything to do with valkorion who is in oblivion, or the timestamped sith tenebrae who might or might not be inhabiting that little red haired girl charlie brown has a crush on.

There is so much lore endless content honestly.

He’s not

He certainly lasted a lot longer

you can only gain so much power in secret.

@@jermainesmith9429 He really is at this point, I went back and read dark Empire. Sidious is powerful but doesn’t compare.

what about at the point where sidious is standing in the aura of the giant crystal in the darth vader comic?

Yeah, that helps explain why the advanced af tech they were developing and had during that era disappeared or became rare obscurities in the future...

Yes and no. Their storylines are all canon up to a point. But what is not known is which of them became the outlander. All we know is something happened to all of them that caused them to have to abandon their crew. 1 continued on to greater things the rest disappeared or died. Thou in all honesty I think they all live and they just joined the alliance later on down the road because why would they not. So in a sense it comes down to who is the outlander and the fallowers

@@kevind3974 Fair point but both sides of Ossus and Onslaught are equally canon so at least 2 survived

The way I see it, they weren't all "The Outlander" but they were all the "Alliance Commander" but they were all Commanders of the Alliance, but what happened after the end of KOTET is probably unknown for sure

@@kevind3974 It all depends on player choice. (All classes can "become" the outlander - as companions (original class story) "join" up with the new outlander (although not all of them are available- i.e. Ashara only will rejoin the Inquisitioner, Nadia will only rejoin the consular). I have head-canon-d what happens to each of the other classes when whichever of my characters becomes the outlander. 1. The smuggler goes off into Hutt Space and starts a lucrative spice trade, and stays underground during the war vs Zakuul. 2. The agent, vowing never to have her mind controlled again, goes off to the world that the Killiks later inhabit in "legends" Nest trilogy and raises little Fingerlings with Vector. (he doesn't "return" except for the agent in the Outlander story). The male agent? Again goes off with Vector but finds a female joiner to raise little fingerlings with.. 3. The trooper dies heroically "for the republic" in battle with the forces of Zakuul. 4. The Jedi consular goes off to the area of space controlled by the Hapans and marries the heir to the throne (works for either gender) 5. The Jedi knight crash lands into somewhere in the unknown regions that is not controlled by Zakuul, that doesn't have interstellar travel or communication, and forms a new Jedi order there. 6. The Sith Warrior crash lands into somewhere in the unknown regions that is not controlled by Zakuul, that doesn't have interstellar travel or communication, and forms a new Sith order there. 7. The Bounty Hunter goes to the homeworld of Mandalore and tries to rebuild the planet that was destroyed by Revan 8. Darth Nox or Darth Occulus go to some undiscovered planet and try to rebuild their power, hidden from view much like Vitiate was. Darth Imperious dies heroically "for the empire" in battle with the forces of Zakuul during their take-over.

@@shaydowsith348 yep. i agree with all thouse outcoems.

I mean unless there’s a specific source that states that the Inquisitor has certain canonical choices I feel it’d either need to be light on certain details (Did you kill Major Beskar’s son, did you give away your cult, did you inprison Khem or Zash, did you get the title of Darth Imperius, Oculus, or Nox) or have a head canon where the Inquisitor chose certain options.

Unfortunately if you start a new Sith Inquisitor character that skips straight into the DLC you're called Darth Nox

Hey your not wrong this is when the sith and jedi were at their peak and it was a story of good and evil with different character’s instead of main characters with plot armor

I've never understood why they can't just canonize the Old Republic Era as it is... and have the new canon actually ADD new lore to the Old Republic Era instead of taking it away.

@@HouseOfAlastrian They likely already plan to, especially since TOR is still running and getting updates. They just want to focus on covering the areas where they have more room to work with first, then they'll start dealing with the Old Republic Era.

Dude The two Divorce LONG before Disney bought the rights to starwars. They really are two different universes now. Both are cannons of their own universe. Unless they purchase SWTOR as well. Cause EA owned SWTOR not LUCAfilm or Gerorge. I know that gets confusing and shit to you people who don't pay attention to that sort of stuff. Both EA and DIsney suck thought. Star wars is basically Dead.

@@HouseOfAlastrian Probably because there is so much Legends material at this point to go through and clear up any inconsistencies, plus many different groups own rights to different chunks of it, that it would be a logistic and legal shitshow to bring it all under one umbrella, they just can't be bothered and would rather write it all off and start over.

Become it's own continuity? If that's what your saying, I would much like to see that

He never really thought the republic was a success either. He could've used the eternal fleet and his knights to overwhelm them anytime he wanted honestly.

@@davidk2023 yeah he said in the dream place that both of them were doomed to fail basically but makes me wonder if he wanted to rule so badly he could have just came in and demolished both sides

They really need to change the name to Galaxy Wars.

I always found it funny how the Prequel era Jedi lost their shit after having to fight in a 3 year long war, while the Jedi of the Old Republic literally fought in Crusades that lasted decades. The old republic was probably looking at the Prequel era like "what pussy's".

@@sarodanadian6496 One of the things the Ruusan Reformation did was to demilitarize the Jedi Order, reducing their role to that of peacekeepers... and they were peacekeepers during the most peaceful period in that galaxy's history. A thousand years of peace is bound to make any organization go soft.

Well they were never actually meant to conquer the galaxy. The emperor wanted more death so he can run his ritual on a galactic scale and never die so he could rule his utopian zakuul empire forever. He never cared about the sith, he just pretended to be one to get them to do what he wanted, zakuul was always his main focus. Both the treaty of Curoscant and the whole outlander thing only happened because of his children. He decided on the treaty because they were born and he wanted to concentrate on them, and he did the whole outlander thing because all his children disappointed him and he knew they would eventually ruin everything ... which they did. He decided to move on from being emperor and wanted to become a dashing hero who was the leader of the alliance/zakuul empire.

FOR THE EMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!

For the repub- err i mean for the sith

@@whatsupthesky4718 🧐

@@whatsupthesky4718 It’s treason then. (ignites lightsaber) Aaahhh!

When the Cold War went hot, the Republic actually had the upper hand... even after Darth Marr and the Imperial player characters snatched the Isotope-5 from right under the noses of the Republic and the Hutts. But then the Eternal Empire wiped everyone out and left both sides equally weak.

Vitiate still stomps Sidious when it comes to raw power. I mean, Vitiate took over his homeworld by the age of ten and a century later, drained the life force of the planet (during that century he ruled his planet and withdrew from the Sith and the wider galaxy) All of this without a single minute of training. I mean he designed a ritual that would have him completely drain the life force of the galaxy, something Sidious couldn’t even dream of.

Three reasons only: Yoda, Anakin and Luke. If Valkorion met these guys during his lifetime, I doubt he can rule the galaxy for even a decade

But Sidious accomplished far more in his lifetime than Vitiate did in his.

I think he's not underrated at all. If anything I found more of valkorion's supporters than sidious' in many debate forums or comment sections

He lived longer than Palpatine but accomplished a lot less.

She's a lot like Valkoryon. Not the fear driven Tenebrea but like what he would be with a "decent" upbringing. You can superpose most of Lana's dialog (philosophy) with Valkoryon. If they wanted to bring him back a fourth? time, I think Lana turning out as one of it's incarnation but without his memories would be the best way. Also, as stated by Lucas, the original trilogy was about redemption. Redeeming Valkoryon through Lana would make for a good ending. A lot of Lana's arc is about trust and she is adamant about it. That's something Tenebrea never experienced. Anyway, sorry for the text that has little to do with your comment, I'm doing a third playthrough noting every dialog and comparing their actions to see if my theory could hold up.

@@acheneniwae2362 Big Daddy Tennebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion returning in Lana is… weird. I think that he is dead. You can only bring him back so many times before it gets either boring or messed up/weird. How would you possibly defeat an enemy that has returned 4, 5, 6 times? I think he will stay dead

Agreed, It makes sense to have that be the case because the inquisitor would be most adept in both light and dark side techniques as they'd be more practical and see power coming from all sources which is why they allow nonhumans in their crew. Having someone who can bring people together seeing reason to fight a common enemy.

I thought the outlander was 8 different people, but I believe the canon should be the Sith Warrior or Jedi Knight given their history with Vitiate everyone else just meets him for the first time in SOR or Ziost.

Also I believe I saw another video that stated Vitiate actually had Sith whose only job was to hunt down Light Sith to purify the ranks.

The Light Siders among the Sith were a maligned minority who had to conceal their nature... Keleth Ur was one such Sith who ran afoul of Vitiate for that and got sealed in a chamber along with recordings of his Light Side teachings. I could imagine that once the Sith Warrior that would become the Emperor's/Empire's Wrath took Jaesa Willsaam as an apprentice, it would have become even more difficult for the Light Siders amongst the Sith to hide, as her innate talent for Force Empathy allowed her to see the true nature of people far more deeply than anyone else and upon becoming a Sith she took up a hobby of hunting these Light Siders down and killing them all.

@@HouseOfAlastrian Unless, of course, the Warrior himself was one of the heretics and Jaesa therefore remained balanced and used her talents to protect them instead of kill them.

Thank god? you mean thank EVIL corporate people who own the rights to SWTOR and didnt sell them to disney far as i know anyway? Ya... thank god... Either way Star wars is dead. Legal trickley But Starwars the old republic. Is a different title than STAR WARS Notice the _ SPace_

How can it taint something that's already bad?

Well, vitiate/valkorion never really cared for ruling, he just wanted to live as long as possible and experience everything there was about life. If he really just wanted to rule, he would've easily finished the republic off instead of forcing them to sign the treaty of Curoscant. It turns out the main reason he did that was because his children were born and he needed to concentrate on them, I guess his project became trying to be a father. After his children grew up and disappointed him, he decided he wanted to try being a dashing hero and setup the whole outlander thing. Many lives that one wanted to live.

Sidious could do the same thing without a ritual unlike valkorion

@@vadimananenko2452 Proof please. And doing it via ritual doesn’t diminish the immense power needed to do it.

On a scale of a planet he drained byss while force raping the mind of its 20 million inhabitants, makes them think that they're giving away their energy to God. And if you think about it valkorion using all his lifetime for more than a millennia to learn from ancient artifacts and such, doing ritual in order to be stronger over the years. While palps only live for about 90 years probably in EU and he can drain a planet as well without many rituals or studying as much of sith alchemy as valk so logically he has more raw power. But still valkorion has known more ancient sith knowledge than him

@@vadimananenko2452 Valkorion could do that when he was literally 10 and was planning to do the same to the whole GALAXY. The fact that he studied for a millennia doesn’t change anything. It only makes him even stronger than he was, which is already more powerful than Palpatine ever could be. Palpatine can’t even dream of holding such power

If I remember correctly at the age of 10 valkorion like to kill and torture people for fun or something including his father. After being recognized as a disciple by Marka Ragnos, he was given the authority to rule over nathema and only after many years or maybe a century, he then perform the ritual of nathema using thousands of siths as a sacrifice. So not exactly when he was 10 years old. In other topic, most of vitiate's force feats is passive power so not very effective to be used in a close range combats, best option he has during duel is force lightning. Whereas palpatine is excelled at sabers and force lightning as well, giving better chances to win any close duel. Moreover with his force storm that is very uncommon even for siths. it once mentioned to be hard to maintained and needs proper handle by many sensitive force users, but sidious can tame it by himself. You should check comicvine debate forum valkorion vs sidious. Many people agrees that DE sidious has more impressive feats than valkorion, but in some cases valkorion is still more powerful than the prequel version of sidious.

Why, thank you!

And even if you still keep your account, MMOs die out eventually... note to self: you're better off with singleplayer and normal RPGs.

Idk I was having tons of fun on free to play...and it was multiplied tenfold when I subbed.

Who?

@Pointless you’re probably right she most likely died long before that.

While the Bounty Hunter doesn't start their story as a Mandalorian, becoming a Mandalorian is unavoidable, seeing as how Mandalore the Vindicated needs the Bounty Hunter to sit in for him amongst the Grand Champions of the Great Hunt so he could focus on preparing for when the Cold War goes hot again.

@@HouseOfAlastrian there is a choice in the game to refuse Mandalore’s offer

@@dimingus3102 I guess I missed that because of how fucking cool the Mandalorians are and how most of the heavy armour looks like Mandalorian armour on the Imperial side. Although these days with most armour being adaptive and the coolest armour being sold on the cartel market, it's easier to conceptualize a Grand Champion of the Great Hunt who can refuse to become a Mandalorian. The final step would be to make Duros a playable species... I could imagine if they did that we would see a LOT of Cad Bane wannabes in the Bounty Hunter class.

@@HouseOfAlastrian That would be awesome Cad Bane is one of my faves

He was supposed to show up in Clone Wars, but I think BioWare told them not to because it contradicted their lore. (It seemed to suggest Revan was never redeemed in the light like we saw in SWTOR)

@@sarodanadian6496 shows how Filoni actually knows shit about the lore and everyone praises him like second coming of Christ because he's less shit than sequels about it

Thank you. Why does everyone keep thinking that he was a sith. He himself said he was no sith and denounced the sith as he did the jedi.

@@davidk2023 I think that's what made him so interesting personally. No limits. For all the Sith claim to seek freedom, they shackle themselves to not only the Darkside but to a code, that one must strike down the master to advance. Valkorion on the other hand, he realised this. He realised that both the Sith and Jedi limit themselves by their codes. He rejected both. He had no limits to how he used the Force. Centuries of experience and knowledge combined with no self imposed limits? That's terryfing. And yes it is always important to remember that he isn't a Sith. He calls the Sith a failed experiment to concerned with personal power to ever archive anything in the long term. And he was kinda right. No matter how many times, in both canon and legends, that the Sith rise and gain power, they fall. They always fall

@@Mobysimo Yup. But to be fair to the sith, they didn't just pursue the dark side of the force, unlike the jedi they were allowed to study the light as well, in fact most of the greatest sith were former jedi who knew everything about the light. They just chose not to use it because it required peace, calm, tranquility which made sith weaker since they get their power from their passions. There was never a sith who used the light side who didn't become weaker except revan ... although he technically wasn't a sith at the time. the Jedi were the opposite, when they used the dark side they became stronger, the most famous example of course was windu. That is why they forbade it, the easy power up was always too tempting and jedi who weren't as strong willed as windu would easily fall to the dark side once they got a taste for it. Revan was truly amazing. He was able to use the full power of the dark side without falling to it, and he was able to use the full power of the light side without weakening himself.

@@davidk2023 Yeah. But it did cost him in the end. It split him in two

@@Mobysimo I think that had more to do with the emperor's 300 year torture. Some of the best soldiers crack under torture after a day ... imagine 300 years.

Because by the time of the OT "purebred" Sith had long since died out, due to intermarriage with Humans and the Republic genocide of the Sith Species. To be Sith was either a species or a religion (at times both). So a Sith may desire to defend his/her people in a war in which the Republic first tried to genocide the Sith without necessarily being dark-side as the tenets of the Sith code teach. Even the Sith Code can be interpreted in less violent terms for those who study it. In the game, one of my Sith follows the teachings of Ka'leth Ur (the ghost in the Dromund Kaas Temple). (I do play all classes with all alignments on multiple servers).