Just about Hunter, he gets weaker when the show shows his other side because he changes his mechanical staff for the palisman, which not only is less familiar for him, but also relies more on his magic, which he doesn't have.
To me, what makes Belos so terrifying is his _realness._ It's the Voldemort-Umbridge principle: Voldy is the big bad, yes and he is scary.... but people hate Umbridge because they _know_ her. They have come across people _like_ her and she is terrifyingly real The same goes for Belos. Someone who manipulates, who believes to bein the absolute right, that his ideal of the world is the only true one and anyone with a different opinion isn't worth saving... These people exist and you ahve probably met them. And that is scary to think about
yk i usually have to block out all mentions of that shitty franchise simply because of all of the turmoil it has caused me and people like me to even hear it mentioned but i’m kinda glad you said this since it’s so much more horrifically ironic being as the disgusting creator of said shitty franchise ended up being a belos
@Lind Morn its the most recongized example tho. ya can use that franchise as an example and even still enjoy it. its the act of giving money and not having that little astisk next to your enjoyment thats the issue.
Something I always hated/loved about Belos's face reveal was the fact that he such a kind face. Such kind eyes. When people as heinous as he is have kind faces and kind eyes makes them even scarier because that means anyone who appears sweet as honey can be nothing but pure venom. It means no one is inherently safe.
This is a very good point because in many other shows, I keep thinking “come on characters, they are obviously the villain just look at their face! Classic villain face!” But with this, he looks like a good guy. So yes, I like that as well. It just adds to him being a good villain.
Which is a very important lesson and why it is so important to show this. Many kids and even adults fall for charisma. You actively have to train yourself to look past charisma but it can only be done once you have seen failure. Then you learn a lot of manipulative phrases in general to avoid. "For the kids" goes from one of the nicest things to one of the most venom filled deceptive things possible.
@Lind Morn Yes, but he's disfigured because he's evil. I guess a real life equivalent would be a man with horrible face scars he got while trying to kill someone
Oh that's something I wish someone taught me when I was younger lol, but like so true, it must've been so impactful to see first viewing (I got it spoiled tho lol)
Yes! This is something that lacks on general media villains and that i really appreciated in The Owl House, and that you can really tell why Hunter were so attached to Belos and why he got extremely panicked after discovering the truth. It was because, for Hunter, Belos wasnt represented by that horrid mask, he was represented by his "true" kind face, wich is implied after Belos, in his monster form, changed his face to his true one while staring at Hunter, trying to guilt-trip him. Sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes, english isnt my first language.
just something to point out about hunter’s fight at eclipse lake, i think he was trying not to hurt amity. throughout the fight, he wasn’t actually being all that physical, and every move he made was to grab the key, not hurt amity. i think of his intentions were to kill her, he would’ve done a better job
The reason Lilith was forgiven so fast because everything she did was to protect Eda. After she cursed Eda she wanted to cure her, not capture her, and Eda knows this. That is why instead of handing her in she asks Eda to join the emperors coven. I don’t think they ruined Lilith with her actions because of Belos’ manipulation and the fact that he wouldn’t heal her if she didn’t capture Eda. Lilith still respected Eda and that is why she was forgiven. Hope this shines some light on why the show did this.
she also literally did the next best thing and gave up her magic so Eda's curse would slow down. she gave up the very thing that made her curse her sister and gave herself a disability for her sister. she also only thought that curse would last a day and been feeling a large amount of guilt ever since.
@@camiloore5728 Time travel doesn't work like that in this world. We see that time travel here is recursive. So whatever you do in the past, has already happened in your past. You can't change the past
I truly believe Dana planned to make use of the body swap on the day of unity but ultimately couldn’t make it work due to the cancellation rushing the story. I can’t think of any other episode that didn’t move the overall narrative at least a *little*, and Body Swap doesn’t seem to at all, which is very odd. I was meh on Luz in Eda’s body, semi-amused with King in Luz’s body, but honestly thought Eda was freaking hilarious in King’s body. Not my favorite episode by any means, but Wendie Malick as Eda was the saving grace for me.
Actually that would’ve been both funny and cool if the body swap did come into play during the DOU; just like how the mindscape from Understanding Willow came back with Hollow Mind. If it did happen, I could see it as that maybe Lilith and Eda were supposed to swap bodies as Lilith making a sacrifice for Eda of taking her place with the curse if possible.
Once Upon a Swap has came up in many ways, just it's not all obvious. It's all foreshadowing how the dynamics are going to change and how the characters need to grow. I'll separate and focus on the characters to make it more understandable. Luz: Becomes the powerful witch she always wanted to be, however, she quickly finds out that there is more to being a witch than anticipated. Luz finds out that to be a good witch requires knowledge and cunning that she just hasn't developed yet. This also foreshadows how she becomes the mentor figure for the rest of the group. King: Finally is no longer looked down. Wait, you mean to tell me that growing up comes with more responsibility and infinitely more complex? How does this not summarize his character growth through most of season 2. Eda: Becomes the least threating but the most loved characters in group. Despite being non-threating, Eda still has problems to take care of and can do little by herself. However, despite the sense of being helplessness she can still try to fight back (kind of like she does in season 2). Lilith: Despite being the imposing antagonist, her personality is like a dog. Loyal to a fault and her bark is worst than her bite. Then after she turns in to beast, it just turns out that she just wants her sister.
I feel like a lot of these critiques really fall on the team being unsure or knowing that they’re not getting renewed for a full season and so literally not having the time to invest in letting the characters evolve more naturally. The first season could be better paced and include a few filler episodes to get a feel for the characters but they essentially had to cram a season and a half of plot into 24 episodes with a 20 minute runtime whereas amphibia got a lot longer to flesh out characters and consequences
I just realised it when you described them, but Hunters motivations actually are more similar to Azulas. They both have a feeling of superiority and more importantly are driven because they both want to please their father figure, that actually exploits them. I'm not saying he has no similaryties with Zuko but I find it interesting because I always see characters like that get compared to him when they aren't really that similar. (An example: todoroki from bnha)
Didn't think of that before, but you are right. I always got tye impression Azula is terrified of letting her father down and is under the impression that parental affection must be earned by being nothing less than perfect. She is terrified of failure as she thinks her father won't live her anymore of she fails. Which is kinda alot like Hunter, I remember him telling Amity in that episode where they search for Titans blood that he is afraid of letting Belos dowm and even suggests to Amity that what he thinks Luz's message means is that if she fails to get Titans blood, she should not bother coming back at all. Which is false, but it says alot about Hunter that he considers this sort of thing to be normal anong the people you care about.
Thanks for making this video! I'm glad to see someone appreciating the Owl House's rogues gallery as much as I do, and in ranking form too. I agree with this ranking completely!
I'm going to be honest here. My favorite moment from the video is when he realized Hunter is basically Zuko, and it made me laugh that he just realized that.
I understand your points against Lilith, but I feel like establishing how she’s goofy and falls short works as a way to establish how she felt like she was behind Eda. I think the goofiness for kikimora (and other villains under Belos) also kind of establishes how stupid his followers were in a way that shows just how he gained power, like they couldn’t have been too smart or else they’d start questioning his authority/ reign. But idk, I like the video!
I love villains as well... Like literally all my favorite characters in the world were/are bad guys and it's nuts. I think that's why I love Hunter so much XD
even if the collector is definitely an antagonist, they’re not really a villain? his past actions did impact a lot of the current narrative in the present but they also have no real malicious intent. they’re like flowey undertale but without the trauma. very excited for how the show is going to deal with them and everything surrounding his past
You're very correct about mysterious equals scary. Just look how everyone reacted to "creepy Luz" when she was first introduced. Then it became "save the scalie!" when creepy Luz was introduced as Vee. A character that's third only to Hooty and King in my opinion.
Belos reminds me of growing up watching Avatar and how Ozai felt as a kid. Terrifying and just plane evil. No redemtion and Belos is giving the same energy and i love it.
4:15 Thank you, I've been saying it for months. They redeemed Lilith too quickly it feels like they went from Separate Tides 'We don't fully trust Lilith yet' to Escaping Expulsion 'Look at our adorkable teacher's pet Lilith'.
watching this a year after season 3 ended is kinda fun btw nice play with the visuals using them to add to what you said in different ways is really interesting so good job and I hope you still enjoy making this content
Just took the polls My ideas for season 3 Luz uses a Round Boy to trap the collector but at the last minuet redeems him with friendship and he returns to his family Luz feels she has to save the day on her own and tries to leave the group Luz's mom adopts Huntter and accepts Luz has to leave Luz finds a natural way back to the Demon Relm but it takes world travel and or a time sensitive action forcing her to wait references to fan memes Gus sees a whale Hunter feeds a flock of Earth Birds Some one dies or dies and comes back or is assumed dead but not dead , likely a Plainsmen or Huntter Vee explains that Luz and her self are Cousins as a cover story Illusions and shape shifting will be key Willow becomes sad around Halloween Witches but really enjoys Pumpkins The Owl House Game will be like Wanda Vision or Squid Games ... move along home
something I do want to say about Hunter is that I hate it when people compare him and Zuko because they are nowhere near the same as each other aside from baseline similarities. Everything they go through, their motivations, and everything about how they act or interact with the world around them is completely different. That might just be me but like their similarities stop and having abusive family, big scars, angst, and joining the main cast later in the series XD
If you think about it, lilith was never a villian, sure she was an antagonist and she did wrong things but everything she did was for the wellbeing of her sister as she believed that belos was going to heal her sisters curse if she was caught, and so, since lilith wanted to do anything in order to help eda even if her actions were wrong at the end of the day what she did was all to help her sister, plus as soon as she found out belos lied she left the emperors coven, knowing its true colours. edit: also, I forgot to mention that she never wanted to forcibly take eda in, almost every time shes caught lilith asks her to *join* the emperors coven, not for her to be forcibly taken into it and be imprisioned.
i think one of the best thing going for belos/phillip is that everyone has met someone whos just a little too similar to him. hes not outlandish or something beyond imagination because there are people like him in real life. hes a threat that can feel real, hes mysterious but grounded. secretive, narcissistic, and power hungry, manipulative and fed by his own ideals. even his plans for genocide echo with hitlers. there are real life people like belos. its just a matter of how far someone is pushed.
Belos was so manipulated I was convinced of his fake backstory, I was convinced he’d be redeemed. And because of that I felt even worse when the truth finally came out.
I mean, at the end of the day, we have to leave good impressions on the little ones that are watching this. So I assume that's why these villains (except for belos) are forgiven so fast when those villains change. Also Belos is literally father from KND (Kids Next Door)
Nice breakdown of the villains. Didn't pay much attention to them before since for the first time in a while, I was more interested in the good guys than bad guys.
Collector is clearly going to be one of thouse 'force of nature' type characters, can't be reasoned with, can't be stopped, can only be pointed at something. In my opinion this may make them an antagonist, but not a villain.
i like kikimora! not because she’s a good villain, because she’s funny. she’s just an entertaining character and i like silly pathetic villains :) good ol kiki
My brother always makes fun of me for watching a kids’ show, but this is legitimately one of the darkest Disney shows out there, which is one of the reason that so many people like it.
I completely disagree with regards to Lillith. I didn't like her at all during season 1, but her lack of competence and willingness to go easy on Eda really helps make her far more likeable in season 2 onward. It makes her FAR more enjoyable on rewatches as well, knowing what she's really thinking. That's a major theme with most of the villains, that they either have understandable motivations or a lack of competence that makes them less threatening and hence, easier to empathize with. And that works so well as a foil for Belos, who it turns out has the absolute WORST possible motivations AND is competent. So, he's actually someone to fear AND deserves no sympathy.
10:28 The show never intended for her to be a big bad we'll see a lot. I mean even with 5 seasons, there is so much you can do with all those characters. It fit really well she dies this way, For a character that though she was so important to die forgotten by everyone else because in the end she's alone. (I think she died ?)
6:49 I loved that video:) And a wanted to say(just why not) that the only reason j personally like Kikimura is because of her design, voice and...She is just a cute bad potato, lol (and when I saw her at first, I thought she way a boy with weird voice, no judgment, please)
What the show does so masterfully with Belos is how they keep him intimidating even while they reveal to us his story, weaknesses and flaws. A lot of stories prefer to keep their antagonists's backstories a mystery to the audience throughout the entire runtime, in order to keep their antagonists from becoming humanized and therefore less scary - like Joker in The Dark Knight- or use them so sparingly that they still seem mysterious and that the writers can ensure that their threat level remains impossible to gauge- like Bill from Gravity Falls. Sure, Season 1's Belos seems to be going the latter route, but they have him show up again and again. And fleshed out his personality and showed so many different aspects to his character. Again, this normally serves to lessen the intimidation factor of the villain. But as stated in the video, the fact that they make Belos so completely depraved and so tactically variable continues to make him unpredictable and terrifying. I've never seen a villain written quite like Belos. And I love it.
honestly i personally think they made the earlier villains weaker intentionally so the protagonists are that much less prepared for the much stronger villains that come later on- obviously it can be disappointing especially with what they did with Lillith, but the more the main characters underestimate their opposing group the better for the opposing, right?
I feel like they purposely made our “main” villians so weak in comparison to the Collector because its setting us up to slowly expect victory. Then the collector comes around and *boom* season 2 finale. A failure.
"like villains" that's because unlike the heroes villains were able to have fun. No Peter Pan is too much of a goody goody he would never push someone into a shark infested water he is a good innocent hero... Boring. The villain gets to do stuff. Yeah I pushed him in the shark infested water also stole his pants tried them on and realized they were too small for me. "was that before or after you pushed him in" next time you're dead asks you for your pants just hand them over no questions asked because I guarantee you trying to figure out why is going to drive you more mental. "Like her" you literally just said her name and I don't even remember what was it comquat? "Kikimora." Who is that?
I don’t think Lilith was ever really meant to be a villain. We didn’t really need one right away. She filled the antagonist role, but more as a foil for Eda, helping to illustrate her disdain for order and rejection of authority. Plus, if you’re not trying to take things all dark-and-edgy serious, their sibling dynamic is an absolute _joy._ 😂
Yeah, I believe she was supposed to be somewhat of a cartoony villain misdirect. This is during the time when you're still figuring out what the shows going to be like, so the classic ever-non-threatening kids show villain makes the absolute bombshells that happen later all the more effective.
On the first season, it's very clear she is just an antagonist, not a villain, having a true sibling relationship (with love but fights) with Eda and wanting to help, but misguided by Belos lies. Her caracterisation is good, organic and humane.
People have a tendency to conflate "antagonist" and "villain" for some reason. They think that if you're against the main character, you're evil and need to be destroyed or "redeemed". People just can't handle that people can be against one another without vilifying the other.
This show is full of both blatant and veiled social commentary (Belos being the more subtle of the such) and Im all for it! I miss when kid shows had some deeper themes, ya know?
I think a thing with hunter is also: The confident 'Golden Guard' Persona _only comes out when he is wearing the mask._ To me that reeks of: "I'm not confident in who I am, so I'm going to put on this costume and then I'll be the skilled and witty Golden Guard that stupid little Hunter could never be."
I genuinely disagree with the idea that Hunter's superiority was just a persona, or a mask to hide his inferiority. The idea just falls flat once you realize that Hunter still had to EARN his title as Golden Guard in the first place. His implied arrogance and cocky attitude is arguably *justified.* I know the show wants us to forget that he HAS a history beyond Belos' abuse, but remember: he only got his artificial staff AFTER he became GG. Prior to that, he still had to go through incredibly rigorous training (including Witch's Duels) and rise up the ranks _on his own_ despite not having any magic. The fact that he was able to do that so quickly, at such a young age, is actually a testament to how talented he was (to the point of making a name for himself as the "genius teen prodigy"). Belos promoted him in response to the accomplishments he _already_ made up to that point. Meaning? Well, if having no magic didn't stop him from becoming Golden Guard and he ONLY has the position thanks to his own hard work and achievements.. what weakness is there to hide? Sure, he could still feel bitter and insecure about not having magic, but why would he need to hide behind a persona? Why WOULDN'T he think highly of himself the way so many others do when he's effectively already proved he has the right o be arrogant?
@@DLxxx Actually i would say that the first episode of the third season kinda confirmed my theory. He puts on the Owl Mask because it helps him _play a more confident Persona_
@@DLxxx True I agree with this even though he should be super proud of himself, he isnt. Belos is a manipulator and he made hunter feel as though his only purpose in life was to serve him, and in doing so, made hunter feel like he had no purpose if he wasnt serving belos. This was the reason it was so hard for hunter to leave belos’ side, since it was pretty much engraved into his brain at that point. Honestly this is pretty smart writing if you think about it, because it’s very realistic. If ‘person A’ drills the whole “you are worthless without me” thing in ‘person B’s head for that many years, and even if person B finds out its just a lie, that thought still sticks with them and it’s like Person A has found a way into your head, still manipulating and influencing your actions even if you dont notice it
What I loved about Belos is how he evolved as a villain in the perspective of us viewers. He starts out as the harsh ruler of the Boiling Isles who forces everyone into his magic system, because he says it's the only right way. Then he becomes the guy that wants to get to the human realm for some reason, we don't know yet why, but assume an invasion or something like that. Then we learn that he is actually Phillip, so now we assume that he is simply searching for a way home and is "just" taking some radical steps to do so. Merging the human and demon realm seems to be his solution to that. Then "Hollow Mind" happens and he reveals, that he's actually a witch hunter. His threat factor immediately goes up immensly. Before we thought he just wanted to get home. Now we just realised, that he wants to genocide all of the Boiling Isles. It makes his character immediately much more threatening and it's done so well and impactful, that it stays with you even afterwards. This slow build-up of our opinion of Belos from the things that we learn is amazingly done. We slowly learn more and more, form our opinions on him and start believing we know what he wants and how he thinks. Then new things are revealed and we form a new opinion, now being sure, that this will be it. There will be no more reveals, we know his motivation and have an idea, what he's going to do. Only to be proven absolutely wrong and finding out, that he wants to do things, that are way more terrible than anything we could have ever thought of. It's amazing.
lilith was manipulated by belos from the start. she got so high in the emperors coven solely for her safety. belos let her live so she can travel back in time and help him get to the collector.
Doesn’t he want to go to the human realm because it’s his home? Edit: lol, I wrote this before I read the part where we discover that Belos is Phillip.
I’d also like to note that not only did he trick everyone in this show, but with the day of unity and what he used as a coverup for said plan, he tricked the audience as well. Because we all thought he was going to merge the realms it was pretty obvious with the information given, but he was tactical enough to give the characters the information about the draining spell at the same time as the audience did, which is a very unique take on the liar reveal story. Cuz we hypothesized that he was Philip, but we didn’t know how deeply rooted his plan was with who he was as a person, with his inspiration coming from the Connecticut witch trials and colonialism in general, I just find that detail so interesting and unique as another addition to this show and how it’s told, cuz we know something is up, just not what
I definitely feel like Lillith being immediately redeemed is a combination of sympathy for her treatment under Belos as well as, of course, the cancellation of a full season 3. They wanted Lillith to be a long-term protagonist by the end but couldn't give her a few episodes to warm up to the cast after the whole cursed her sister and threatened Luz's life thing sooo it feels slightly rushed. The Collector definitely needs season 3's trio of specials the most, not just because he didn't get much time to shine, but because they were, according to... OK I don't have a source on this because bad memory, but I recall it being stated that The Collector actually wasn't planned as a villain until the season 3 cut.
You are correct! Dana confirmed in the post-hoot livestream for King's Tide that they wanted to include a character like the Collector early on (chaotic, morally gray, looks like a doll), but when they got the shortened order they created the Collector as he is now and decided to go ham.
The timeline of the s3 cut news reaching dana would mean that, at least S2 episodes1 and 2, which both showcase the new completely forgiven lilith, were written before the shows cut.
Given Disney's meddling and failure to commit to their prior agreements, I 100% believe that there was a different plan initially for the series going forward, but "sacrifices" had to be made due to Disney suddenly ceasing their support. (I personally would've loved if fan theories of the Collector possessing Luz had been real. If so, then Season Three could've been like "Darcy" and "Bipper" combined into one!)
I don’t really see the collector as a villain, nor did I see Lilith as one in season 1. I’ve always just seen Philip as the villain sense he was the higher up telling Lilith and hunter what to do, and a lot of us already guessed he wasn’t going to let the collector free. I just see collector as a kid who was never really taught how or what to use his powers for without hurting others.
I’m sorry but the collector knowingly flicked bellos to his death absolutely splattering him. It was horrifying to the cast and at that point it’s not just a “silly little kid” it’s a seriously messed up entity
@@aysharoberts7579 Nah. People crush bugs all the time, and you generally don't call someone a villain because they squished a spider. Belos tried to crush the Collector, and turnabout is fair play. If you're stupid enough to burn bridges with a childlike deity with unfathomable powers who never learned how to play nicely with others, you kind of get what you had coming. Besides, you can be an "antagonist" without being a "villain". The Collector isn't trying to foil anyone's plans, they're just doing whatever they want to do. Also, I'm pretty sure the end of the episode revealed that Belos isn't dead.
@@moldymulder Girl… when the collector was working with bellos they knew bellos was going to try and eliminate an entire world of innocent people. The collector was just fine with that, and was even expressed to be bored while waiting for it to happen. They are not a “little kid” that’s just goofing around, LIKE I SAID, they are a overpowered entity that does what they want when they want no matter what it costs. That I would confidently say is what a villain does. I don’t understand how people try to project the collector as this sad lonely kid when they are literally just a being of chaos that I would honestly compare to the likes of bill cipher.
I think it's a debate of antagonist vs villain. A villain wants to hurt the main characters; i.e. Belos. An antagonist isn't necessarily evil or acting with malicious intent, it's just their goals conflict with the protagonist's. Lilith wasn't evil per se but what she wanted and what Eda/Liz wanted were in direct conflict so she was an antagonist. Amity would fall under this umbrella for a short time. The collector is a weird case because they don't seem to necessarily be malevolent on purpose, but they do have an unimaginable amount of power and no sense of morality or consequences which makes them a very dangerous antagonist, and depending on how they view the protags when the inevitable fight happens they may become a villain
Camilla definitely will be able to set them straight with the power of LA CHANCLA 🩴! For real though, yeah honestly I can see Camila taking care of them maybe if they’re reform and need guidance of a parent figure to learn how to mature.
I don't think Belos is blonde. His hair is gray. it was just the light of the teleporter that made his hair look blonde. In other scenes, his hair is clearly gray. And when he was younger, he had brown hair.
Hollow Mind turned Belos from merely a good villain to a FREAKING AMAZING ONE. Seriously, this man is undoubtedly one of Disney's and animated television's BEST villains, imo.
While I do adore Lilith a lot I have to agree with you, but I also kind of find it tragic that after several decades, Belos made Lilith believe that the only way for her to get far in life was to hurt others and on top of that forced her to capture her sister thinking it was the best for her so she can get her cursed cured only to change plans and try to petrify her, all because she punched him all those years ago to get back at her probably.
See, I think you approached this wrong. The only actual villain in this show is Belos. Everyone else is more of an antagonist than a villain, and of course you're gonna be disappointed if you expect villain panache from an antagonist
@nikki607 Thank you, I can't believe I had to scroll so far down to find a comment mentioning this, I thought I was gonna have to point it out myself 😭
I don’t know if The Collector’s going to be a villain in the same sense as other villains on this list. He’s a child. Yes, likely many centuries old, but he is a being of magic likely from what appears to be a long lived species, so he IS a child with the brain of a child and a child’s psychology. The longer a species lifespan, the longer their infant and juvenile stages- it’s why mice are fully grown in weeks, dogs in months, and humans in years. He seems like a child that no one has ever been able to discipline because of his immense power. I truly think only King’s dad had any handle on him seeing as he put him in the in between realm, and I feel like that was a time out for trying to play with King’s egg, that he meant to release him once King was safely hidden away but was killed before he could do so. He acts more in line with a child under ten that’s never been disciplined AND taught why his actions are bad. When a small child hits, even if it doesn’t hurt, you tell them hitting isn’t allowed because it hurts others and hurting others isn’t nice. When that child hits someone again, you repeat what you said and make the stand in the corner. A third time, you do the same as the second, but also ask how they would feel if someone hit them. This is what I think he’s lacking. Empathy. It’s something we have to LEARN. It’s why many slave owners felt sadness for whites in poor situations, but nor for their own slaves. They were taught to not have empathy using the rationale that “they aren’t people, they’re slaves, they’re property” when it came to differentiating between why the feel bad for a white person who lost a loved one, but not feel bad when a black person who’s loved one died from the abuse they suffered. Empathy is learned from a young age. It’s why we tell kids things like “how would you feel if someone did that to you” when they do something to another person. The Collector not only is at a stage where he’s still learning empathy, but also hasn’t HAD anyone to truly TEACH HIM how to be empathetic. So I think Belos is going to remain the big bad and befriending the Collector will be key to stopping him. Maybe Belos finds a way to become more powerful than the Collector or learns how to take his powers away. Either way, I think Belos is STILL going to be the top big bad and the Collector will be more like Hunter- a misled child who doesn’t know better.
@@Zenek7274 when I try to point out that The Collector is a child, people usually get hung up on his age. So I’m glad at least 25 people understand what I’m saying. I don’t think what he does is GOOD. But you can’t entirely look at him as an “evil villain with bad intentions.” Is anything, he IS an antagonist (someone who’s actions, ideologies, and goals are different/opposite the protagonist and often cause conflict because of it), but not a villain. He does understand what he’s doing is wrong because his brain isn’t fully developed enough. He’s more like Draco Malfoy in the earlier Harry Potter series, young and doing what he wants to have fun, but not caring how he can effect other because he doesn’t understand how he can effect other because he never had it explained to him how he can effect others. But Malfoy wasn’t a villain. When it came to doing villainous actions, he couldn’t do it. I think once The Collector realizes how he’s hurting people, he’ll feel remorse and work to fix everything.
You sum up what I been thinking about them this entire time. I do hope though that the character or characters that do end up teaching them empathy and giving them a chance is King and Luz. It makes sense for both to besides King having the connection with them and Luz being the protagonist. King is technically a godly child as well and was kept up in delusions of being “All powerful king to all demons!” It wasn’t until he found out the truth and mature from it along with other lessons taught to him is where King now puts other less in harm(he technically did back then with having Eda almost taken by animal control or Shrinking Willow and Gus to get some time with Luz). As for Luz, well while we might have to see The Collector’s backstory yet to make comparisons. Though I think with the fact like Luz was, they’re an outsider who didn’t have any friends to the point they’re willing to be with anyone despite that person either just using them or being a bad influence; along with having destructive behavior that hurts other despite it not being from malicious intent. Not to mention both live in the idea that the isles was their own fantasy or “game” to relish in. Only difference between the them is that Luz of course grew out the mindset that the isles is her fantasy to live and play in, started being less destructive to others, and found friends/relationships that are both healthy and mutually good for each other. So in a nutshell: I believe King will probably start to reform the collector of teaching empathy as since they’re attached to King(prior history of wanting to play with him and Dana’s art of them keeping King close to them), maybe the collector will feel guilt for the first time if King is hurt by their actions or words. Then Luz will finish it off with connecting with them of how she knows the feeling of being a weirdo outsider that didn’t belong anywhere yet; afterwards offers to become their first genuine friend and mentor of sorts to him.
@@Rosa-he6xb yeah, that’s how I’m hoping it goes. Maybe even King pretending to be their first genuine friend, but they don’t fall for it easily. King, after spending time with them, learning more about them, and seeing how similar they are, forms a genuine connection with them. This confuses, scares, and upsets them because they’ve never felt a connection before or if they did it ended badly (a betrayal or someone being hurt or something like that). Maybe King gets hurt protecting them and when they ask him why he did that, he says “because your my friend” and the Collector kind of snaps. Maybe he goes into a depression over not being able to protect his only friend, maybe he goes on a rampage. Either way, Luz returns and King tells he what happened as he’s being patched up and begs her to help them. She does, she talks to him, tells him her past and how they’re alike, how she knows his pain. He settles down and they also become friends, as do the Hexside kids. And if Belos is still a problem, they all come together to permanently deal with him. I also kind of like the idea of Eda adopting them and they and King become brothers.
