Ofcourse knowing Porsche, the 992 is better by far than the 991 same thing that the 991 was better than the 997, but for me the 991 is more beautiful than both the 992 and 997 (by far). All the shapes the angles the measurements of the 991 are spot on and totally Porsche! That is something the 992 did not beat the 991 in.
@@ninjaxkai the rear end of the 992 is the one big problem for me, i just don't like it. On the 991 it just made it for me the most beautiful 911 ever.(at least for now)
Thanks so much this is exactly what I was waiting for! I've been in the market for a 991.2 for a couple months. Here is what I've experienced: 1. Most are sitting on the market for months with little price reduction according to Cargurus statistics 2. They are being bought mostly by other dealers at asking price and then marked up. Seen this happen multiple times and spoke with a dealer who confirmed it 3. 992's won't even start to be built for the US market until Spring. Expect to pay $30-100k over MSRP for one depending on the spec Conclusion: You would have to be crazy to buy a 991.2 right now unless you're keeping it forever or have $30k+ worth of equity in a car you plan to trade
992 GT3 and 992 Targa 4 GTS are almost at the same price range, how would you select one from these two? Will be very interested to know your reasoning. Thanks in advance.
0:48 *992 (not 922) Anyway, I already knew how fortunate I was to get a build slot but, as the weeks pass by, I realize it more and more. Mine arrives in about 6 months. I've been studying 911s since I was a little kid. My top car dream is about to come true.
At the twilight of the gasoline era, it's important we secure our toy. The trick is not to pay an outrageous sum for the privilege. These Porsche's are right on the edge of crazy money.
Lovely videos, I just bought a 997.1RS, I was wondering if the supply is high enough to make a video dedicated to the RS models of all watercooled 911's.
Hi, nice analysis - thanks! However I am surprised that you do not mention the huge increase in base price for the 992GT3 compared to 991.2. In most markets base price went up around 20% for the 992. My guess is that this will help keeping the used 991.2 prices high, maybe even close to their original MSRPs, even when more 992s enter the market.
Ive had my 991.1 GT3 for 3 years and avoided looking at the values, glad to see they have recovered but its irrelevant as Im keeping it for good if I can !
Sir, before you bought your GT3, had you ever thought of a Targa? why not choosing a Targa GTS, which usually has a relatively same price as a GT3? Would love to know your reasoning when comparing a GT3 and a Targa GTS. Thanks in advance.
Brilliant analysis as always I totally agree with you. I am looking at upgrading my Carrera s 991.1 to a 991.2 GT3 and I think the right time will be in 24 months or there abouts. Thank you for your brilliant videos👍❤️❤️❤️
I just wanted to say how impressed I am with your video’s quality, consistency, and your personal enthusiasm enthusiasm. I couldn’t help but subscribe. Keep up the hard work, it really shows in the videos.
It might be interesting to look at the 991.1 market yet again. Last year, Porsche issued a "stop sale" on 991.1s with sports chrono. This means dealers cannot sell those cars... meaning the ones they have or the ones they take in on trade are not being sold. This seems to have restricted supply of those 991.1s and the price for them has increased. Maybe this would be interesting for you to look into more deeply.
Thanks for the insightful analysis. I’m in the market for a 991.2 GT3 in the UK so have been monitoring the market for months. I see similar trends here. I think to see a price correction at the moment as a result of the 992 is too soon. Like you however, I fully expect (and hope) to see a price adjustment in the near future. The truth of the matter is Porsche pricing is in a huge bubble for many reasons. With supply of these cars increasing and winter coming I would imagine the market will begin to cool. It would be good to repeat this analysis in 6 months time. I think we might see some interesting numbers!
911's are OUTRAGEOUSLY priced now.... I was looking and the Carerra S (992) are in the 130k+ range (USD) and I actually see the Turbo S range from 280k-300k.... I was shocked.
Very nice observation, I have been seeing the same and I think an interesting parallel can be done with the RS market. Sure the 992 RS has not being released yet, so the number of pple upgrading from rs to a 992 gt3 probably isn’t that many. But I noticed an increase in supply in the rs and the 991.1 prices have actually started decreasing, especially the higher mileage samples. The 991.2 doesn’t appear to move yet. I think the RS will hold value better than the gt3 due to lower production numbers, and now that the gt3 have gotten so expensive it’s no brainer to go for an RS for resale and the looks (otherwise it’s too boring looking just like any 911). The next leg down for the rs maker will prob happen after the 992rs is released and started taking orders
Can you do a Mclaren 600LT next? Mclarens are known to depreciate like range rovers and Jaguars, but the specialty ones in this market makes it quite confusing. Thanks!
I would wait until the end of 2021 for a better picture. The delays of both the 992 GT3 and 718 GT4 (PDK) will affect the 991.2 GT3 market. Keep in mind in some regions the new gt4 is very close in price to the 991.2. Not to mention more news on the 718 GT4 RS. As always, thank you for this niche channel.
@@fourwheeltrader just be interested to know if 2017 db11 vs a 2014/5 Vanquish.. which will hold better residuals.. love both and really can't decide where to put the money. Keep up the great work, love the channel
I think they will rise, as more strict regulations come and this car is not affected at all by this. So people who want something pure will always go back to naturally aspirated engines and if they have the money a Porsche.
@@yyz4165 I have a 991.1 S manual and also cant find this out anywhere. Asking and sales prices for cars at non Porsche dealers is not at all in alignment with what Porsche values 991s at. It's as if Porsche themselves are trying to lower the value for 991s. However the market sentiment seems otherwise. 991.1 GTS man must be super rare I have never seen one of those, must be an epic car, enjoy.
The journalists said the same rave things about the 991.2 GT3 when it came out. Then when testing an older RS or GT cars they say the new cars are too digital and don’t have the “soul” of the older cars. Best bet is buy what you like best at a price you can live with so you can enjoy the car fully. In my experience and opinion all the GT and RS cars are excellent and special.
You are confusing PAID advertising with reality. Thats right, Porsche PAYS these magazines to rave about their crappy cars. The reality is that engine life is inversely exponentially a function of redline. A GT3 is a PUTRID car, absolutely terrible, with DOUBLE the required repair costs of any other car ever produced. There is no market for new cars because there are no new cars.
I've seen cup cars with more than 50k miles on them so it seems unlikely that engine RPM's correlate with engine life. Is there evidence of this? I'm guessing you bought a used Porsche and had a bad experience with it?
@@mg-by7uu I would never buy a high redline car. Mech Eng 101: metal wears at the square of contact speed. HP = Torque x RPM, so its low rent engineering to use RPM (exponential wear) to generate HP (linear increase). Most engineers, like the avg dude heading a Porsche project, don't have much experience with system level requirements, they just design a tiny component and no clue what they are doing.
@@FFE-js2zp but there are honda S2000'S with 300k miles on them with the same redline. I see what you're saying though and it does make sense that the faster the cylinder goes the faster it wears. Whether that affects the average owner or not I'm not sure
@@mg-by7uu There's no way to know how much money has been sunk into a car. The 911 has 2x the required repair cost of the second place BMW. The 718 is third place. Its not just the high RPM needed to make HP numbers (HP makes no difference, only torque matters), its also gearing. One of the reasons I bought my V8 F-Type is the supercharged torque is enormous across the RPM band. It cruises at 90 mph @ 1800 RPM. Compare to my 1985 MR2 which had low torque due to an 8000 RPM redline to generate HP, it cruised at 6500RPM to go 75 mph in 5th. So the high red line engine turned 4 engine revolutions for every 1 revolution of the high torque car. Not only does the high RPM wear the car out, the torque is not sufficient to move the car with out spinning the engine 2x to 4x more, per mile travelled.
PS My MR2 died from no compression in all 4 cylinders at 85K miles. I changed the oil every 3K miles, but I didn't understand much back then. I should have changed the oil every 500 miles based on the low gearing per mile. 85K miles was 340K miles of engine spins for a torquey V8.
I think TL:DR here is to not buy any GT3 right now. Porsche will not limit supply of 992 GT3, they will be had at msrp in the future when chip shortage ends.
Considering dealers have wait lists extending out two years (not even accounting for production delays), your hope of grabbing a GT3 at MSRP is years away. And then the 992.2 comes out…
I just paid 50k over for one but guess what? It’ll still sell for 50k over a year later.. 991.2’s (old model) are still going for msrp of a new 992 GT3
@@charlesa8501 Guess what, every used car is selling for MSRP right now. The GT3 isn’t special. In fact, when I sold my 991.1 18 months ago, 991.2 were selling for around 138k. That’s a depreciation hit. So, no, I don’t think it’s wise to base your automotive investment strategy off of a once in a century pandemic fluke that has Honda Civic Type Rs selling for $50k over. Hell, I just sold my 2017 Raptor for 65k. Your experience isn’t GT3 exclusive. And nothing wrong with paying over, im guilty of it it as well (RS6) but let’s not make like it’s anything more than impatience.
@@joet2699 that’s definitely not true.. I myself had the 991.2 (Miami blue) and it sold 2 years later for about what I paid for it at 180k you might be basing a no option car. Right now the market is crazy and my 992 turbo S is still worth about 60k over after owning it for about 8 months now. GT cars are special btw.. maybe not to you but they are.
