How the Republic's Centuries of Neglect of Outer Rim Caused its Downfall 

The Republic: Neglects the outer rim Also the Republic: Why is the outer rim always joining a faction against us?

Padme Amidala: "I can't believe slavery still exists. The Republic's anti-slavery laws would have-" Shmi Skywalker: "The Republic doesn't exist out here. We must survive on our own."

Palpatine: I love democracy, I love the Republic Also Palpatine: let's get outer rim planets to secede so that the Republic can die

The Republic was doomed even without the Sith interfering. Actually it would have fallen even worse without the Sith becoming the reason the Jedi decided to help.

Everyone always seems to just completely overlook the Outer Rim. Every time.

With so many interesting ideas I'm surprised Disney didn't do "what if" star wars and got good writers to work on these possible divergent timelines.

I would liken the relationship between the Core Worlds and the Outer Rim to that between urban and rural communities. Big cities use their massive populations to outvote and exploit their rural neighbors, just as the Core Worlds did to the Outer Rim territories.

The Outer Rim really was an impossible place to govern, even with hyper lanes and instant communication it was simply to large and wild to control back in the Core Worlds. The Galactic Republic’s had a thousand years of peace and with it came a lax approach to governing, and while on paper it is fine form of government it made it really easy for corrupt corporations and individuals to abuse the resources and people of the Outer Rim. In truth the Galactic Republic need another capital world near the Mid Rim to govern the Outer Rim more effectively, if they wanted more control and influence there, but also a strong military presence to secure the region from pirates and troublesome elements from the Republic itself.

I'm still convinced this same problem exists in the Gundam series and that most people (fans especially) are too blind too see it.

The Senate caused the Republic’s downfall.

The Republic: What do the Sith gain from hastening the inevitable? The Hutt Cartels: Everything. It's how they took Makeb. The Republic: Like they could pull something like that off on a galactic scale. Palpatine: The Republic shall be reorganized into the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE! The Hutt Cartels: You were saying? The Republic: Bite me slug lords. The Hutt Cartels: With what teeth?

The Republic turned into the Imperium of Man for a moment. Speaking of which. Geetsly, I think you covered this topic a few times already. Why not cover the issues with the Warhammer 40k Imperium of Man? Plenty of Lore there.

It’s simple, Geetsly’s posts a video and I watch it.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but what I find most sad is that, both in Legends and in Canon, it was never shown if the New Republic made any attempt to improve on the errors of the previous one.

Love the WH40K shot at 1:00

I love that you flashed some Warhammer 40k art during the phrase "unfathomably long period of time"

I'd love a video on the fall of the empire next as I'm sure it was a lot more than just Vader's kids blowing up Death Stars that caused it.

I get why people say the Clone Wars were inevitable given the social and economic conditions that surrounded the galaxy, but I doubt that it would be even close to as bad as what ended up happening. For starters, there likely would be multiple Separatist movements. The divisions between them would be regional and political. Democracies and autocracies themselves had their issues with the Republic, but it was thanks to Dooku that they worked together. These governments might form alliances together out of necessity, but I doubt they would make any lasting connections thanks to these differences. The mega corporations probably would try to sell battle droids and provide support to these movements. Pragmatism will encourage some to make such deals, but others may abide by the wills of their populace who will recall that most of the Republic's corruption was enacted upon them directly by these corporations. Then comes the issue of the Republic's response. I feel as Star Wars fans we forget that the Senate didn't just outright create an army in response to the Separatist Crisis that started in 24 BBY. They debated about making an army and navy, as seen in the debates for the Military Creation Act. For a government that had many militarists, it took two whole years for the Senate to reach the final vote. Palpatine took advantage of this time to have Dooku encourage violence among his Separatist supporters. He also intentionally refused to make negotiations with Palpatine throughout the crisis. The separatist movements in this non-Sith timeline likely won't take such violent actions, at least the majority would. Plenty would be diplomatic. We even see during the Clone Wars twice times when the Republic and Separatist Senates were on the same page. First, the Separatists offered to negotiate peace and the Republic was just about to vote on it when droids launched an attack on Coruscant's power grid. Later in the last year of the war, the Republic and Separatists were able to agree on having Rush Clovis become head of the Intergalactic Banking Clan. Once again, the Sith intervene via the Separatist forces. It took the Sith to keep pushing the war going on and on via their control of the two factions. Without that control, things may have gone more peacefully. Now let's say the Republic did create a military in response to the Separatists. Not everybody in the Separatists that wasn't with the corporations was a saint or idealist. Some may even launch attacks to take revenge against the Republic. Stuff like this would give more weight to the militarist arguments. However, a simple counter to this would be if the Jedi are tasked to lead a coalition of military forces made up of the Judicial Forces and some other planetary defense forces. Perhaps if other Separatist movements contributed to this force in an act of goodwill, they would be able to defeat these attackers as they would only make up a fraction of the separatist movements. Overall, I think that even if an event like the Clone Wars was inevitable, the Sith definitely show how evil they are by making things absolutely worse. They are the ones that got the corporations involved with the Separatists. They are the ones who empowered the more violent Separatists while secretly eliminating the idealists. They use the Separatists to push the Republic to become militaristic. This allows the Republic to become an empire. They even are the main backers of the efforts by both sides to create super weapons. Dooku personally oversees the Malevolence and the Defoliator and Palpatine forms the secret Republic group that starts the Death Star construction and also orders for the Zillo Beast to be cloned. And both guys made the clone army. If anything, it kind of proves the Sith are the worst people in the galaxy, because they can take an already existing problem and make it so worst that there is no hope of fixing things.

Yes, that's something Palpatine loves reminding us of.

The 40k jumpscare at 1:02 threw me for a second

Thank you for the video the fall of the Empire would be interesting since internal neglect caused the destabilization of the Republic and the Empire made it worse and magnified the problem that would be awesome.

Didn’t really much improve with the empire’s ascension either.

I hope you do a video on the whole Duel Chancellors thing the early High Republic had going on once Phase 2 comes out.

This channel focuses a lot on the flaws of the Republic and the Empire politically. How about we focus on the Separatists, a prime example that not every rebellion or revolution makes life better. I like to see how the people who grew sick and tired of the corruption in the Republic went on to support what was publicly is superior democracy, but in reality an oligarchy and partial dictatorship. I mean, I wonder what veterans of the Rebellion tell their kids about the time before the Empire. Those in the Republic will note how they failed to reconcile Palpatine’s rise to power, but what do those in the Separatists say? I can imagine a lot of them saying they were the true predecessors and even the first rebels against the Empire, but what would they say if their kids note how the megacorporations had a whole council in the government and were behind most of the Separatist military. Honestly, I’m kind of hoping Cassian and Mothma or Saw have a debate about the Clone Wars. Cassian should start with the upper hand given the Empire is the successor of the Republic. Heck, he would be debating former Republic fighters or senators that are fighting the Empire. But then things get complicated when they point out the dark side of the Separatists. To be honest I’m not sure how I want the debate to end. I’m not sure if I would want Separatist characters to recognize the war crimes and corruption in their faction. I’m team Clone Trooper and by partial extension team Republic, but it’s kind of hard to think about portraying a rebellion negatively. At least the Rebellion has no choice being in an unfair war against the Empire, but the Separatists on the other hand don’t have that reason. I mean, I hate to think about how a Separatist would react if they knew the truth about Dooku. The Separatists praised Dooku for starting the Separatists. I honestly wonder what was going through Lux’s mind when he realized Dooku killed his mother. What other dark secrets could he have found out about the Separatists? We see how depressed Rex and other clone troopers and Jedi after the war when it feels everything was pointless. What was it like for the Separatists? Most of them of course would say they were right, but what do they later on think about Dooku and the Separatist military if they ever hear of their crimes?

Fully agree with this take. I would go further still, and suggest that - like in our own world - the forces of business and hierarchy are the ultimate culprit in all this. Palpatine couldn’t have constructed his plan without the pre-existing presence of these factors.

Huh, I always thought the fall was because it was the Republic was too big, like too many planets and systems all having a voice thus causing countless different opinions that keep crashing into each other and locking each other out. And it was also too big thus causing a lack of resources to be disrupted when needed. For example let's say both Planet A and Planet B(they can be located anywhere one could be in the mid-rim the other in the outer-rim, or both in the same rim, or whatever) are in trouble and under attack from pirates or whatnot, but the only help that can be sent is the Judicial Forces and the Jedi, now both groups are very skilled and many in both would want to help people in trouble, the problem is both of them are far too small to help both so a choice has to be made on which one gets help and that's if a choice can be reached at all, going back to too many voices, every planet and system would have their own say on who they want to help and why. Some may want to help Planet A because there good friends with the people of Planet A even if Planet B needs it more, some may want to help Planet B more because it has more strategic value even if the people of Planet A need it more, some may not want to help Planet A because they have issues with the Planet and hate it thus they vote for B instead even if Planet A needs it more, some may not want to help either Planet because they're just big dicks who don't care so they might purposely try to create a tie so neither can get help, some may not want to help either for more legitimate reasons like they believe diverting too many resources to help one of the Planets will leave other areas of the galaxy vulnerable. Thus with all these different opinions on the matter, it leads to many different debates and votes which can lead to either the Planet that doesn't need the help more getting it instead of the Planet that does, or neither getting help because no one can decide on what to do because of all these different opinions and before you know it the Senate devolves into a giant argument that makes all the Senators look like arguing children. Heck, if I was a Senator in Star Wars depending on where my Planet was and stuff I'd probably have many different opinions on who we should help and why. For example, if I was from Duro after my planet was invaded by Grevious during Operation Durges Lance, I'd be a little more wary of diverting resources to help other planets because I'd be little paranoid that doing so would put other planets and areas at risk, and I would have good reasons to think this because it was diverting resources away from Duro's fleet that allowed Grevious to have a much easier time taking down the fleet and taking over my planet so I may not want to help either planet because I'm worried will get another Battle of Duro. Or maybe I'm from a Planet that's good friends with the Wookies or I am just a good friend of the Wookies, so thus hearing that Umbara joining the CIS now puts Kashyyyk and Wookies at risk of being invaded by the Separatists or being forced to join them because they are now surrounded on all sides, I would be all for invading Umbara and helping the Wookies. That was the ultimate flaw of the Republic I think, it was too big to properly manage.

After this I’d love to see the fall of the empire as long as you do it’s history with it

this is why i love star wars

1:00 wait, isn't that a 40k image? Geetsly did you really think we wouldn't notice. Come on, Commissars are too recognizable for that.

I would love a video of how the empire fell

There's a reason why Episode 3 opens with "Heroes on both sides"

Yes, I would like to hear your breakdown of the demise of the Republic and the demise of the empire and how they were similar!

How many times has the republic and the Jedi nearly colpased? Answer: Yes. xD

The Republic’s Senate brought about the downfall

They had a new order, this new order specifically was focused more on military tactics and aversion other than socioeconomic matters. I remember seeing a video that said the Jedi were pretty much just sold short and used by the Republic, since when it came to dealing with people affairs, they didn't know what the heck they were doing. The Jedi didn't MEAN to take it this way, but they are kind of still the primary factor it eventually fell to rots.

I would love to see an episode about the factors on how the empire was doomed from the start

That would be pretty cool to get a dive on the politics of the empire that's more cerebral than *wrinkly man bad*

So the republic fell because it expanded too quickly and wasn't forced to deal with this overreach (causing a 1,000 years of rot and resentment to build) until the machinations of the sith moved the pieces into place, only a little faster than they would have normally. This sounds a lot like the issues of the NCR in New Vegas. The better play would have been slow assimilation, ensuring that every new region is stable, content and represented. But you can't run a campaign on, "let's get more water and power in 50 years, vote for me". Ironically, if you pick the NCR ending, being forced to face Cesar's Legion was a blessing in disguise. It made all these regions put their differences aside and expedite relations with the NCR. When faced between slavers and anything besides genocide, you pick the anything. Star trek's federation funnily enough never has expansion issues. I think that is because of possibly better and longer term policies for accepting new territory and the presence of enemies to check overreaching expansion. When the federation makes colonies, not member states, they are shown to abandon them if they can't defend them. We see this with the Maquis and colonies through the wormhole. In all of the cinematic representations of star wars, there aren't true external powers. The story is more about the plight of the force, with a galaxy spanning war as mere window dressing. The basic plot of star wars could work with the technology of dark age Europe. I do find the concept of not having traditional external powers to be an interesting situation. So you could also say that the republic fell because of the fall of the traditional sith empires. Without a centralizing badguy who everyone can rally against, and a force that would take over unwise territorial claims (sectors too far away to defend and supply) people focused on the inequality and class conflicts inherent to a capitalistic liberal democracy. Instead of improving the political and material conditions of the outer rim, they left the region to the worst form of unrestrained lazie-faire capitalism with essentially legalized slavery and overt slavery. Honestly, it would have been better to see the outer rim sectors as independent space. To then partition, or ask if they wished to join the republic when both that sector and republic were ready and willing to incorporate them properly.

I would love to watch a video about the fall of the empire. This one was pretty interesting 💫

I would love to get old Republic movie or serie.

Sweet 👍

Have you thought about covering the First Order's rise to power in the near future?

1:05 that's The Astra Militarum from 40k

Can you do a video on whether or not there are antimatter weapons in Star Wars please!!!

"I guess we are NOT all, in fact, The Republic." _The Separatists probably.

Hats off to whoever decided to randomly put Marlon Brando in this video.

7:31 The Phalanx from WH40K.

"Like the UN.... but much more useful." burnnnnnnn 😅😅

Do your videos mix cannons?

Not a giga move for them

This is Canon for me!

The autogenerated captions turned "authoritarianism" into "Fascism" lol

YES ! Analyze the fall of the EMPIRE Please!

1:02 bruh that's the Imperial Guard

4:43 True

"With the Senate acting like the UN except, much more useful" DAAAAAAMN!

I saw a Warhammer pic I did.

Why was there an Imperial Guard Regiment from WH40K at 1:04

I like this. It is good to see WHY the Republic fell. Would be good if you also looked at how bad the Empire was, since a lot of fans tend to gloss over that.

That 40k art, nice

Why was Jor-El in the video?

As any 4X player can attribute attempt playing wide is difficult and the Republic is a prime example being so large in of itself would've caused problems. While I'm no political expert I would've broken up the republic into smaller independent states similar to what the Roman Empire did(twice) and tasked the Jedi with keeping the peace between the new states.

1:00 That’s warhammer 40000 art.

You used war hammer art for guardsman art from the 8th cadian regiment for in the grim darkness of the 42nd millennia there is only war!!!

The Republic simply got too big to maintain itself. There are now too many worlds to keep track of.

I did the numbers in calculations with the senate seats & members... the republic had about 50 million inhabitable planets, with many more as mining colonies which were not always inhabitable... about 5 million systems or so. While the empire had 80 to 100 million worlds. With 10 worlds per system with each senator having 50 systems being represented for each official in the senate... that means that the galactic senate should be about 100,000 representors at least... with many more members eventfully joining in later years if still standing as a republic with extra seats on standby... it should be 250,000 seats just in case. Long story short; the galactic senate is way too small to represent everyone in the republic... because we all know that there are only 2000 to 10,000 seats in the senate building, so they need to expand it in order to support everyone in the republic. Too many worlds being represented by so few people in office causes complications + corruption, incompetence and unfair voices that don't support their basic needs. The Republic just got way too big to be governable, just like the roman empire... so it had to be split in two to become more manageable, and way too expensive as well due to overpopulation & over development in projects to support all societies going on all the time... it's just too much, that's why there were heavy taxes and not just being about corruption. Especially when parts of the whole galaxy is running out of resources... sooner or later, they're going to have to advance their technology in multiple fields to leave their home galaxy and search for a new untapped one to settle in to survive. Or just mine the unsettled parts of the outer rim + wild space and unknown regions... which we all know are resource rich. I believe that the republic needed to be fairly split into two pieces to allow it to function more efficiently... the inner & outer republic = inner representing the core, inner & mid rim worlds... and the outer representing the outer rim + some mid rim worlds, wild space and unknown regions... still trade with one another as allies like a federation with balanced & sorted economies, but encourage vast amounts of core, inner populations to move to the outskirts to balance out its demands in resource issues. Then it'll sort itself out with fixing the problems in lack of resources + money and inequalities, for a time... but it might actually work and bring about some more stability once again for the first time in centuries = and last a few more if lucky.

I disagree about the rebellion i believe that was more to do with the the restoration of the republic and removing the emperor, but they found allies in the outer rim because of the fact you mentioned.

Yes yes please

Sounds familiar 🤔

this is ture cycle of war in the Star Wars universe is the cycle of bad governance. That why first order rose because of bad governance. How ever the lack of center military did help palpatine rise the emperor because the republic was too weak to hold things together. Also the citizens lost faith in the Jedi to keep them safe.

It was Jar Jar.

Most Based Star Wars channel.

Collecting taxes without really doing anything to earn it... now as a modern American, WHERE have I seen this? Hmm 🤔

For our wallets!!

Not for direct allegories, but I see similar parallels.of the American government treating its heartland as 'flyover states' and became obsessed with the decadence.of its giant cities, ignoring the rot, cirruption, suffering, and decay from within. Every Empire will.have its fall, very sobering to remember that truth. This too, shall pass.

When a empire doesn’t provide for its own citizens, that is when it falls. The republic was a empire at the end and turned into “the empire” when it fell. Recall the arc where padme discusses how the republic has been neglecting its own citizens. When an empire falls it can move leftword, toward socialism or reform and egalitarianism, or it can move right word toward fascism. In a society without massive class consciousness it requires a large amount of organization to make the empire move the egalitarian route. Otherwise it will usually move towards fascism. This is a parallel I see in the American empire, which is what George Lucas builds Star Wars around metaphorically, he is write about corporatism also causing the republics collapse but he misses that corporatism is merely a higher stage of capitalism which is workplace fascism and mass exploitation and has the logical end of corruption and corporatism….ie, circle around to the empire failing to provide for its own citizens. And collapse!!

Sad.on some many levels.

The outer rim and mid rim need their own separate governments or something.

Long Live the Empire

Analyze the fall of the empire

Power Centralization is always a bad idea. Just look at our world today and you see why

The outer Rim will rise Again Long live the confederacy of independent systems

Millennia not centuries. Let’s not sugar coat it.

Man who doesn't like Star Wars politics

Guess what? Thats why America has a Electoral College

All things have to die out, even if they're long living. And really, if there's one thing the likes of Charles Dickens knows all too well, it's that poverty can lead to these muckcracks. Edit: Oh, yes, do analyze it, and also how it actually survived in some capacity as the Imperial Remnant and eventually the Fel Empire.

love the little UN roast. they really are useless

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Not all who criticize the Republic as being inherently flawed support the Empire. As an anarchist I believe that political freedom without economic equality is a pretense or a fraud. So the space capitalism in a bourgeois republic is inherently flawed.

Mmh seems like the west today to me.

This is very true. The empire improved on this! Long live the Empire!

The conflict was inspired by the US Civil War. Despite the false argument that the Union aka the Republic fought to "free the slaves" the real truth is that the entire conflict was inspired by the federal govt's regional centrism and neglectful treatment of it's southern territories. As with Star Wars, the Central planets or Northern States both had trade monopolies and forcibly ensured that they were the heart of commerce and industrialization. They used tariffs and trade laws to keep it that way and actively lobbied to keep the South/Rim from gaining as much power. They actively hindered them. This caused a massive political rift where Southern and some northern states like Maryland and Illinois both began to see the New England domination of federal govt as something that needed to come to an end. The spark of rebellion was exasperated by the conflict between slavers and abolitionists which was becoming increasing violent and stands in as the Sith/Jedi conflict. You'll notice that even some of the characters have traits in common with US civil war generals. Robert E Lee and Dooku are extremely similar in appearance, speech, etc.

I'm glad the Republican feel no Taxation without representation mtf.

Things that were right to secede: The South. The Donbas. The Outer Rim. One cause. One struggle.

Despite hearing about the democracy and the Ruusan Reformation in the new light, I'm still not a fan of democracy because it welcomes debates. And while a bunch of politicians are arguing what to do, people are dying outside. And yes, I know that some of the Russian Tsars did not make the best decisions but that is because they let their own arrogance blinded them and because of that, their defeats such as during the early battles against Napoleon and the ones during Crimean War were inevitable. But the point is that it is very fast and very decisive. And the best part is that the Tsar's words are absolute and no military generals and government officials can do anything about it unless the Tsar changed the mind on his own. By the way, I think it is now the time to introduce the concept of nation-state to Star Wars. For example, if the Core Worlds wanted to have the Republic, let them become the Republic of the Core Worlds. As for the worlds in the Outer Rim, they decided to allied with one another to form the new government known as the Outer Rim Alliance for their own protection from the other states and piracy.

The picture was cool, but the voice is insufferable for a lack of animation.

The Republic is not easily fixed; every solution addressing one issue can cause other issues when taken too far. Examples: Give regional governments more authority and sovereignity. That way the core worlds cannot exploit the rim. However, now some worlds exploit there own people, including slavery. After all, many seperatist worlds did incorperate that. Set up laws in a new constitution guarenteeing equal benefits and taxes to all member worlds. Now every world needs to pay the same taxes, even when planets are too small and poor to afford them Split off some responsibilities of the republic to the sector levels. Now sectors can war against each other or have the same problems as the Republic. I am not anti republic. I just recognize the difficulty of fixing its problems. Having a central government able to interfere in conflicts and reign in regional excesses is a good thing in my opinion, even at the loss of sovereignty. The European Union comes to mind. It also helps member states work together against outside threats, both military and economic.