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Recently, we parted ways with our Tormach PCNC 1100 and progressed to a completely new machine that will dramatically increase our CNC machining capability: the new Tormach 1500MX. This video gets into the details behind this machine, how it's already helping us make parts for the DarkAero 1 prototype, and how it will carry us into making production parts for kits.
DarkAero Careers - darkaero.com/careers
DarkAero 1 Aircraft - darkaero.com/aircraft
DarkAero Courses - darkaero.com/courses
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DarkAero Apparel - darkaero.com/shop
If you enjoyed this video and would like to see more of this type of content, follow along as we work to engineer the fastest, longest-range aircraft you can build in your garage!
0:00 - Intro
1:00 - DarkAero 1 Prototype
1:53 - 1500MX Specs, Features
3:55 - Machining Demo
7:16 - The Key Advantage of this Machine
9:58 - Final Thoughts
More information on DarkAero can be found on our website and other social media accounts:
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@BreakingBarriers2DIY Месяц назад

Visibly vibrating with excitement as he shows us this machine. LOL So awesome.

@rolandotillit2867 Месяц назад

Start keeping track of parts and versions on spreadsheets, once you start machining stuff yourself, you need a good way to keep track of all the stuff you forgot you made. You never know when a previous version can help you out in the future. Often I look at previous work with current eyes and I get new insights looking at what I did. It helps when you know why you do something because you were the one that did it.

@LTVoyager Месяц назад

Spreadsheets are not a good way to do this. It isn’t that hard to start out with a real database that is much more capable, reliable and provides much greater query and reporting tools.

@triedproven9908 Месяц назад

For this size of manufacturing a spreadsheet is fine. For medium and large scale you are right.

@Dasman5624 Месяц назад

Good advice. But this is not they're first machine. I'm pretty sure they have a process nailed down.

@benbro8287 Месяц назад

@@triedproven9908 i would suggest using something like git as a versioning database . should be as easy to use as a spreadsheet even for small scale manufacturing.

@wwjohnnymaydo Месяц назад

Take a look at the documentation on their website for this kit. They are leagues ahead of any other kit manufacturer for how they are handling things like this.

@starbrightpools Месяц назад

congrats on the new 1500mx Tormach. wicked machine!

@marcosmota1094 Месяц назад

Sweet machine! I'm been following machining YTbers for 5+ years and I can really appreciate what you have! Grimsmo did tours of Miltera and TORNOS and those machines were sick...you guys definitely upped your game with the changer, tool offset and more efficient cleaning. [Your] tolerances and parts uniformity will be on point. Happy for you guys, team, and families.

@JerryRigEverything Месяц назад

you lucky lucky dawgs.

@tomcoryell Месяц назад

I am happy for any process improvements you guys have made and will make. It’s exciting to watch.

@AndreUchoaUSA Месяц назад

Very happy for you, guys! Great asset. Make good use of it!

@Coldlegend214 Месяц назад

the fact that we can see what's going on every step of the way is awesome!

@Noble909 Месяц назад

Super cool that you guys have the first one!

@flyzeyefab Месяц назад

Very cool stuff you've got going on! Looking forward to one day owning our own machine someday. Thanks for the video!

@IvanMidwing Месяц назад

Nice work guys!!

@user-ny2bx8ez1c Месяц назад

Awesome upgrade!

@bread8176 Месяц назад

Congrats on the new capital! It's so exciting to see this project progress

@eaerickson Месяц назад

I really enjoy watching your videos. I am following your progress and videos make it so much more engaging. My desire to put a deposit down increases with each new one that comes out.

@FabienCournoyer Месяц назад

This project is going great! I love your motivation and dedication to push forward! General aviation hasn't changed much in the past 50 years or so,m and I hope people like you help shape a brighter future for GA. Many people have failed, but some did succeed (Take Van's for example). History is not meant to be repeated. I give you the best of luck (and my support) to succeed!

@ghostface1304 Месяц назад

Congratz guys! Very exciting!

@DarkAeroInc Месяц назад

Thank you Max!

@jbrownson Месяц назад

Nice, looks like a great machine for you guys, keep us posted on how it's working for you

@clydecessna737 Месяц назад

Congratulations.

@haddedoussama14 Месяц назад

Congratsssss!

@n176ldesperanza7 Месяц назад

It's great that you are obviously well-funded, which will help ensure you reach your goals. Can't wait to read about the flying aircraft.

@finnbaseley Месяц назад

Would love to hear more about the state of ground testing and your plans for flight testing!

@DarkAeroInc Месяц назад

Currently setting up the main gear drop test. We are excited to share more on that soon!

@LordHolley Месяц назад

Very cool, I think tormach makes some really nice entry-level units. Nice to see they're making some bigger more commercial units as well now.

@tormachinc Месяц назад

Thanks! We're getting there.

@TheRangerBob Месяц назад

Cool beans! Slowly, methodically approaching that first flight.

@Tailwind1 Месяц назад

Excellent! :)

@greenmoxy Месяц назад

That landing gear reminds me a lot of an automatic bimini top on a boat. The fuse is interesting, it's design to pop and then resets after a few seconds.

@ericsandberg3167 Месяц назад

This new 1550 Tormach s one sweet machine. Looking forward to seeing you guy making lots of chips.

@bensmith7536 Месяц назад

Its been a while, great to see new content. EDIT: I just bought some merch from a group of guys in the US making an amazing aircraft, as thats all I can afford to help you all on your project. I so wish I was in a position to order a kit, perhaps someday : )

@owensparks5013 Месяц назад

Very nice. Congratulations on the upgrade. What are you using to generate toolpaths from Onshape CAD?

@OhHeyTrevorFlowers Месяц назад

As a Haas user I'm happy to see some local competition move up-market. Haas nickel and dime me to death to turn on software features and they generally don't care unless your shop runs many large machines. Keep it up, Tormach! Make Haas worry.

@abel4776 Месяц назад

Perhaps they need to end their Haas F1 funding to improve their service?

@koolguyson Месяц назад

@@abel4776 Haas was doing this before F1.

@brandons9138 Месяц назад

Make sure to keep an eye on your coolant concentrations. With thru spindle coolant things can get clogged up pretty easily. Keeping your coolant concentrations at the right levels helps keep things from gumming up.

@PetesGuide Месяц назад

Effing serial number ONE !!! (Personally, I would have held out for S/N 007…) You guys have clearly made a 3-point landing pulling that off. Congratulations!

@tormachinc Месяц назад

Nothing a Sharpie can't fix.

@tormachinc Месяц назад

I've actually been informed that Dark Aero does have SN: MI10007. So technically it is 007. Maybe time to buy some tuxedos.

@LordHolley Месяц назад

@@tormachinc well now you're going to have to make it to James Bond special, lol.

@PetesGuide Месяц назад

@@tormachinc I am humbled that your official account responded to such a flippant comment. Hopefully one of these days I’ll get my nascent channel off the ground and be doing cool enough stuff to warrant buying one of your machines.

@PetesGuide Месяц назад

@@tormachinc This is an awesome idea. Tuxedo for the test pilot’s first flight, and tuxes for all three brothers on their first flights! Will Tormach be there for the big day?

@3RPRECISIONMFG Месяц назад

Definitely an upgrade for Tormach. Very impressed with your resourcefulness and ability to produce high quality assembly components with a simple style VMC. As Dark Aero grows and progresses, a few 5 axis machines from perhaps the large names (DMG Mori / Mazak / Matsuura) will increase your capabilities further. Keep it up.

@triedproven9908 Месяц назад

That's a nice cnc. Looks like they really streamlined it.

@johnwoodhouse3210 Месяц назад

Fun good luck 🎉guy's

@palletcolorato 24 дня назад

Nice! You guys are cruising now.

@benbro8287 Месяц назад

I hope to be able to buy one of your kits in the coming 2 to 3 years :)

@matthewpellegrini2740 Месяц назад

Who does your CAM for the machine? Great looking stuff and such a good investment.

@jimj2683 Месяц назад

Will you buy an autoclave too? Or is the advantage minimal compared to an oven?

@gregoryh4601 Месяц назад

Like to add many years ago I ran a very large Milling Centers and came up with an Idea to safe One hour milling time. So Dark Aero when you up and ready for Production. Add more vises to you Lathe and number them 1 Vise 2Vise 3Vise then you ready to Save Time and make Money. Also for your coolant and air also to help chips removing. Riley take care miss chatting. Peace Brothers. Greg of Ohio

@DylanEdmiston Месяц назад

Serial number 1. Nice.

@valentinfelsner277 Месяц назад

can't wait to build my DA1

@randominternet5586 Месяц назад

Awesome - congrats - good timing on the purchase - serial number 1! Haha. I had thought you might go to a haas to get some chip removal and automation if needed.

@UHLASKAGUY907 Месяц назад

pretty sure they are sponsored and I doubt they spent a penny on it. They deserve it though, showing how such a machine can be used in the hands of capable individuals. If they aren't sponsored, they should be.

@tormachinc Месяц назад

@@UHLASKAGUY907 It's not a sponsorship. They're beta testers. We'll be going over to test the accuracy of the parts. Plus it helps that we're big fans and proud of their Wisconsin business.

@UHLASKAGUY907 Месяц назад

@@tormachinc My bad on the mis info. I figured they had to be, and again, I think they should be. I found their channel because I was looking for a tip on producing a part on a tormach several years ago. Been following ever since. Thanks for setting the record straight. Used to run a 770 for years, and I would love to own a 1500 one of these days when my space and budget allow. Love your products.

@vinnymorrissey7357 Месяц назад

I'd love to see you guys do a Mike Patey collaboration! Tormach looks awesome.

@weldmachine Месяц назад

I'm sure we will see a fair few older model Tormach Mills hitting the market as many would be wanting to upgrade. The new machine seems to have everything that was missing from previous models. Decent size travels, and through spindle coolant is a big plus. A few other things have also been improved on including an easier way to remove chips from inside the machine. It looks like a nice machine that many guys out their will be dying to get their hands on 👍

@WhereNerdyisCool Месяц назад

Interesting choice with the Tormach. I haven't read a lot of happy comments from owners of their CNC equipment

@wyo_garage20 29 дней назад

You must not be watching or reading much. I can find 20+ in 30 seconds that are perfectly happy with their machine. There are generally two sides, the ones that scraped enough together to start a business or hobby machine and are perfectly happy, or the other side that work for someone that’s spent 6 figures on machines for them to use and think they are gods gift to machining. There’s no shame in running a Tormach

@austinshupe9626 Месяц назад

Pretty cool machine, curious if you guys looked at syil before this choice

@kevinkillsit Месяц назад

wait what!!!! hell yeah, so excited, I'm in the market for a new machine and I will have to check this out

@sammcbride2464 Месяц назад

I personally would like to hear more about the authoring software you use. Does it still use M-Code and G-Code? Are you using ACAD or the software that comes with the system? It is really a nice looking setup. Specs about fluid wash/lube, etc. would be good. I guess I could look it up. You might want to get into race cars as well instead of just planes. Then eventually, you can build (me) a boat. ;). To get more into it, some cutters require a "cut in" path on every pattern due to devices like plasma cutters needing a hot start and then cut process.

@GlassImpressions Месяц назад

What did that setup cost? That is in my future

@EJWash57 Месяц назад

Would like to see your team involved in a STEM program. I know things are busy for you at present, but something to consider.

@kenjohnson2730 28 дней назад

Wish Y axis had 18 inch travel too! For large round parts.

@dlfabrications Месяц назад

Do you need static dischargers on an aircraft with a carbon shell?🤔🤔

@AC-jk8wq Месяц назад

Great question! Most likely… A want vs. need. My plane’s surfaces are painted… so the static build up is mostly paint rubbing air…. Won’t change much what is under the paint. Where the static really builds…. Is flying through clouds and snow… Used to be able to hear the effects of static in the radios…. (Back in the day). I have No idea how sensitive GPS antennas are to static build up/discharge… 😃

@ipadize Месяц назад

now the question of the question: can you activate TSC with a tool that doesn not have TSC functionality? Heidenhain for example has 8 Bits for each tool that i can set and one bit tells the control that the tool is TSC capable. If the tool has this bit set to 0 and i want to activate TSC it wont let me.

@MarkRose1337 Месяц назад

Nice machine! How is taxi testing going?

@dudea3378 Месяц назад

Wasn't that almost 2 years ago? Maybe they weren't comfortable with something they found and needed to make some changes. Or maybe it was just bare bones and the kinks needed working out. Better safe than sorry

@PDZ1122 Месяц назад

Just my 2 cents worth: Just because you can do incredibly complex machined parts doesn't mean you need to, or should. You can't make money making the most expensive, elegantly designed and complicated parts. Pretty much all the metal parts I see here could be made cheaper and easier. Production engineering is reigning in the design engineer who has been given a blank check!

@DarkAeroInc Месяц назад

Thank you for checking out the video and thank you for sharing your thoughts! Agreed! Machined parts shouldn't be overly complicated and should be designed for manufacturing. We have discussed this topic in a number of our videos. A few here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ehC9oUf9Fm0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sbl6N2MUux8.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HyOscBDsxjo.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-psVpeic0oOY.html Many of the machined components we show probably look more complicated than they really are. Remember that we machined all of our prototype parts on an entry level CNC mill, which should serve as a indication of how challenging they are to manufacture.

@mckenziekeith7434 Месяц назад

Nice to be able to make prototype parts and verify them first though. Even if you end up casting them or extruding them or forging them later.

@TheSkidrowyachtclub Месяц назад

I would remove the probe from the machine before machine. We ruined a probe as it wasn't waterproof.

@dudea3378 Месяц назад

Totally agree. I've seen some 3-setup parts on this channel that could easily be turned into 1-setup parts... but hey that comes with experience 🙂

@sheepman6291 25 дней назад

Are you getting .0002" tolerance?

@BreakingBarriers2DIY Месяц назад

At 25:00 “It looks like we cracked it.” My Canadian heart drops into my stomach… Oh as in “crack on!” LOL

@JacobNeitling Месяц назад

I have a low serial 1100m. Love it

@tormachinc Месяц назад

What do you make with your 1100M?

@sammcbride2464 Месяц назад

OK...more questions...How do you do quality control? That camera feature sounds like a start, but I am guessing you micrometer a lot of stuff. Is it the engineers or do you have a second set of eyes that develop their own processes for QA? Could the camera be used part of QA and used with AI to ensure quality?

@kinglouiesshed8995 Месяц назад

Not the machine i was expecting but all the better. Showing quality parts can be made on machines in the realm of smaller companies 👍🏼🤛🏼

@edmondthompson1523 Месяц назад

Great stuff! Hope they gave you a cut to be their beta tester.

@gtr1952 Месяц назад

That's very cool! I'm looking at building a small one for making guitar parts from wood in my small shop. It uses an off-the-shelf small router as the cutter. It's like an antique version of this one. LOL --gary

@tomcoryell Месяц назад

As a guitarist, I am psyched that CNC is used in building guitars more and more. The precision and repeatability have really made for some great and affordable instruments.

@gtr1952 Месяц назад

@@tomcoryell I agree 100% I'm 72, and I started playing guitar in the 60's. I learned quickly that my first acoustic was terrible. LOL I have a lot of stories about the old days. 8) I'm glad young people have such good choices today, from US and overseas makers. After 50 years I don't gig too much anymore. I hunt for 100+ year old wood to make a few special guitars. I love my collection of old tools (and guitars!), but a CNC might be a nice "helper". Thanks! Peace --gary

@Thomipangang Месяц назад

I like how these videos are just a little bit different from the early releases on the paid plan. Now I get to watch it a second time… 🤣

@johnvansloun7443 Месяц назад

Surprised you didn't look at a Syil - best bang for the buck machine out there these days it seems!

@johnfitzpatrick2469 Месяц назад

G,day Keegan from Sydney Australia. Are you recycling waste aluminium or is there not enough? That is some very impressive technology for your manufacturing process. 🌏🇦🇺

@Pennypincher-ue9ux Месяц назад

The chips are at best worth 50cents a pound ,and nobody will pick up small quantities.

@marnig9185 Месяц назад

Can u make things,that make sense,as yet another Plane? Happy exitinction everybody❤

@MrBad4fun Месяц назад

How much longer til this is flying…?

@7000fps 4 дня назад

it has been 5 years.........................

@jasondevault5066 Месяц назад

If my wife ever dies, this is going in the living room.

@antonyo7531 Месяц назад

Im surprised that a Tormach has a higher feed rate and bigger table size then the SYIL that Titans of CNC are promoting.

@cgpmachining Месяц назад

If you ever run a real cnc machine you will be blown away by the difference, Tormach and Syil are toys. If you want cheap then a used high quality machine that is still supported is the best bang for the buck.

@Khemikal_X 4 дня назад

Tormach + Aerospace= I understand why you received the first one

@dvsmotions Месяц назад

Coool. So, are you guys still building a plane? Is it ever going to fly?

@OtisFlint Месяц назад

I'm sure you built your plane from nothing but an idea in half the time 🙄

@dougj8186 6 дней назад

Meanwhile, ScaleWings produces a ready-to-fly carbon fiber 2-seat P51 Mustang replica every 6 weeks. No mention of what tools they buy.

@Fotovliegtuig Месяц назад

It has been very interesting to see the development of the plane over time, but it has been more than 5 years now and it is time to stop playing with tools and get the thing flying.

@abel4776 Месяц назад

How much have you donated?

@derrickguthrie4704 Месяц назад

Jealous, I have a couple 1100mx and am eyeing this 1500mx....very cool

@Patshes Месяц назад

🆒😎🤘!

@leeoldershaw956 Месяц назад

When will the aircraft fly?

@galactictomato1434 Месяц назад

When it's ready.

@7000fps 4 дня назад

5 years ???? This has Theranos scibbled ALL over IT!

@galactictomato1434 4 дня назад

@@7000fps They aren't taking investor money. So wheres the scam?

@ziyademiryusufoglu7144 7 дней назад

do you guys even think about flying this thing eventually ? or is this just a project to grab on social media income and funds ?

@martinsmith2948 6 дней назад

That’s what I wonder every day

@dougj8186 6 дней назад

My take for a while now is that they are a custom composite shop, this plane is a showcase for their skills, and one day it "might" fly.

@ziyademiryusufoglu7144 3 дня назад

That is why I'm going to unfollow because it seems to get far away from the initial intent. They have turned it into a money making project rather than fun and educational.

@siamandmoloudnejad2880 3 дня назад

After all seems like funds and social media income are more tasty . I will also unfollow.

@ziyademiryusufoglu7144 3 дня назад

@@siamandmoloudnejad2880 initially it was ok , they need funds obviously but it gets far beyond that.

@21trips Месяц назад

How much $?

@galactictomato1434 Месяц назад

You don't have google?

@dansv1 Месяц назад

Videos do not *NEED* music added to them. Give us ambient sound instead.

@NotSure416 Месяц назад

Looks like Tormach is similar to a Haas VF2 now.

@rv6ejguy Месяц назад

VF-2 is 30 hp...

@rgetso Месяц назад

VF-2 has almost 8× more HP.

@OtisFlint Месяц назад

lmao...no.

@tormachinc Месяц назад

Okay, let's get realistic here. Not 30 HP, but no slouch either. The 1500MX has 4 HP with a Max of 6 HP BT30 Spindle, that is also Through Spindle Coolant ready. But, unlike the VF2, runs on single phase power, and is designed to fit in most garages. It's a tiny beast. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s2PfIHf9lOk.html

@OhHeyTrevorFlowers Месяц назад

Maybe a TL1.

@7000fps 4 дня назад

Just checked in from 5 years ago WELL???? This has Theranos scibbled ALL over IT!

@dougj8186 3 дня назад

Two years ago I pointed out that "cutting edge", "pushing the envelope", etc., are not the stuff of a first-time aircraft design with zero prior experience: Split flaps, split rudder, scratch-build retractable gear, wet wings, panel attached to the canopy, and on and on. All very cool but just a RU-vid channel without a flying prototype. AND THEY'VE ALREADY BUILT MOLDS. A simple design change (more likely several) could set them back months.

@Noneofyour210 Месяц назад

That’s totally almost as good as flying the airplane

@spinnetti Месяц назад

You get it for free? I like the products and the company (I had an Series 3 1100MX), but this machine makes no sense vs. a HAAS at that cost.

@OtisFlint Месяц назад

It's a good deal cheaper, Haas nickel and dimes you for everything, much of which is standard on this machine. Add an RPC, rigging, etc and you're easily $15k deeper into anything with a Haas nameplate (including their DC1 which is nothing but an alibaba machine with a Haas control). Pathpilot is also easier to use, replacement parts are cheaper, etc. Haas isn't all sunshine and rainbows. We have a 2022 VF4SS with 4th axis...its a good machine but there are reasons why they aren't used at the elite level. For machines in the sub $50k bracket, the way you'd actually want them equipped and delivered, you have Syil, Tormach, or a completely stripped out China "Haas".

@davejohnson7152 Месяц назад

When will it fly ??

@freddy_theknifeguy6007 Месяц назад

one main thing i dont like is it still used the old ATC. syils is way better

@AC-jk8wq Месяц назад

In aviation… everyone says never fly the A model…. They never mention that serial number 001 may be better for a competitor to have…. 😃 Looks like the Tormach is an awesome machine! The A model Mooney, M20A, (1958) had wooden wings and tail… the M20B was all Aluminum… the M20J took a leap into composites with fiberglass cowling and wing tips… (mid 70s) By the time they got to M20U… they moved up to composite skins on a small portion of the fuselage…. (2010s) Team DarkAero has done a nice job of not repeating some of the old history….! Go DarkAero! 😃

@rolliekelly6783 Месяц назад

You young men have created a program that is not only enjoyable, but very informative. With that being said, my greatest enjoyment is: you speak in complete sentences and don't say LIKE every third word.

@brotherofiam Месяц назад

Air Traffic Control? No, Automatic Tool Changer.

@XXfea Месяц назад

yeah yeah yeah - TURBO

@danieldias6608 Месяц назад

Its a good machine but at its price a haas vf1/2 or a syil x7 or x5 are 10x better

@wyo_garage20 29 дней назад

Your opinion. Maybe it meets their needs perfectly. Go buy you one of the others

@TonyRios Месяц назад

Get a DMG Mori next

@mbatur35 Месяц назад

I've been looking forward to the flight for months. Why don't you start flight testing yet? What would be the reason.

@slowery43 Месяц назад

you can't possibly be that dumb... it will fly when it is ready to fly

@maxmirot9460 Месяц назад

Looking for flight test data. Time to fly the bird

@fiberop635 Месяц назад

Nice video but Jesus is that 1500mx overpriced. The new super minimill a much better deal for not alot more way more capable. I'm sure you're use to path pilot but it's so horribly priced id feel ripped off.

@kalujny Месяц назад

I'm sure you understand they got really good deal on it. The video is basically an ad.😂 Great to get updates though.

@fiberop635 Месяц назад

Oh yeah I knew that from the get go even 10k I wouldn't waste my money on it though.

@thompsonjerry3412 Месяц назад

You never want the first machine that is made.

@LanceRyley Месяц назад

given its price, it better make a good cappuccino too.

@chauvinemmons Месяц назад

Need a trunnion table And a pair of lathe spindles at each end and a way to get them changed with the table kind of like a pallet changer with different functions