How Thor Became Unworthy (The Unworthy Thor) 

That's why people love BRB. He's one of the most noble characters in comics.

He's names thor

Mathias Pereira i read this and scrolled down and im like "way da min!!" almost caught me

Mr meeseek lol , same

I don't know, Godspeed was pretty co- WAIT A MINUTE!

This joke is getting old now. I've seen it for SO long. Man, its cutting a SWATH through the comics section.

Damn it you beat me

@Eye Patch Guy thats what I was thinking....and a smaller weapon...lol

pathetic weeb

Her aesgardian name is Aldrif

Technically Thor is whoever is the god of thunder

Tell me are you thor god of hammers

@@RoxDZoro yea, but it just gives you his powers, not his identity

But sometimes the name and descriptive title are one and the same. It's not often the case in english, but for other languages like chinese, the names are often made to be descriptive of what the parents hope the child would be like.

9_Bucks Regardless, Odinson officially gave the name to Jane Foster.

+BenFalkenstein so what is his name know? Jerry? Please.

His name is Odinson,are you not listening? Like Jackson aka son of jack (in the traditional sense.) or Odin in odinson's case. Jane foster is Thor now so she's Thor Jane.

+RagnarTheRed My name is literally Jerry funnily enough. If someone stole my first name and I had to go around by my family name alone i'd be pissed. The family name Armstrong for instance was started as a semi title/clan name. In olden times in parts of Europe you'd just go by your name like John or Thor. That was it. So a guy named John might have earned the title Armstrong (John Armstrong) or used the family name Jackson, son of Jack based on the patriarch of their family. Your reasonings are as weak as the writers trying to justify this stupid bullshit.

This is just crying over semantics. The writers have simply merged the iconography and connotations of the name Thor and God of thunder together. Instead of saying, she has taken up the mantle of god of thunder they simply refer to it as Thor because the name carries a stronger depiction of what she becomes than God of thunder does. Marval has introduced several divine pantheons from Greek to Japanese, many of which have their own gods of thunder so the term is a far vaguer indication of who Jane becomes. It''s the same reason that the Thor Corps is named that and not The gods of thunder, it better informs the reader of the mentality, powers and trajectory of the character(s) taking up the name.simple.

Unbelievable! These stories are so out of whack. They’ve ruined Marvel comics

Sounds like he is better lol ,if he's stronger and faster lol

*wasn't ever

Eric Masterson was, Volstagg was, Thor Girl existed since 2000 before Jane.

UNFITTED1 he was called the war Thor making him very different from regular Thor he didn’t wield a hammer either he had a axe and his own identity

@@guyfieri9913 You're dumb as hell. It wasn't his own identity. Volstaag wielded jornborn which was the weapon that Ultimate Thor wielded. The weapon came from another universe but it still belonged to Thor and War Thor was a mantle as well. Now go brush your teeth immediately! 🤨😬

@@UNFITTED1 u sound a little salty

M Concepcion Gaia is a titan in greek mythology not norse mythology.

plus Thor is just a pure god he's the son of Odin and the godess Frigg not any giant or titan

Thor is indeed son of Gaea, Gaea took many names as Mother Earth, societies named her in their own mythologies differently.

Vilgot Kihlberg in marvel comics his mom is Gaia

In Marvel Comics, Gaea has a presence in every pantheon under various names. Odin got to know her in bed while she was called Jord, but all of the various Earth Mother figures in all of the pantheons are still the same entity, and she was one of the Elder Gods --the first beings to emerge from the darkness. So skip the mythology lesson, Marvel has already explained its various collections of god figures on multiple occasions.

Yazuki Wolf And how can he be accompanied by Beta Ray Bill. Shouldn't it be Odinson and Thor?

Got ‘em

@@maxtoth5561 not really, because it is as it says, he is an unworthy "Thor" The same way one can be an unworthy leader. Hell there are other Thors, he is just ultimate thor

Its fucking retarded he said that. Hes a damn idiot for that one

@@darryljack6612 yup that's it

Alex Ramos seems to go a bit against the point of him learning humility to be worthy

+Alex Ramos +Mr. Spock Really good points from both you guys. Heh... its funny; in a way... Thor NOT being full of him self was his over arching goal for a long time in his character's run (way back) AND its the very thing that ends up not making him worthy. So I wonder if it will turn into a.... lets say math/algebra equation... that once you truly see the equation (really comprehend it) from BOTH sides ~ you will finally TRULY be able to be both things (worthy and humble). Just like an equation... if you read ONE way, you are only seeing half of it. If you read it the other way the opposite direction, again... you only see half. But when you see it BOTH WAYS ~ ie you just see the equation in its entire and not in a linear fashion; you TRULY will comprehend what the equation truly is. So it may seem simple on its surface, but can prove very difficult on deeper contemplation . Kinda like the riddle/dilemma of "trying to look left, AND right at the dame time". So yeah, CRAZY random metaphor... i know. But I think it is one way that Thor will eventually (maybe WAY down the road) will be able to become worthy to wield his hammer again. While ALSO maintain his humility.

Alex Ramos I think it's more that Thor was constantly doubting himself but was in denial of his own self doubt. What Nick Fury said to him basically brought it to the forefront.

there is confidence, and there is arrogance. originally, thor was arrogant, he felt he was through "just because", that is why odin turned him into doctor so he could learn humility. after that thor wasn't fully confident in himself. he didnt believe in his actually ability or worthiness to be thor.

Emmmm.... I think it's tge fear of thor being evil, and seing himself as part of the "selfish gods" that makes mjolnir doubting thor, he is not sure of himself and he sees himself as kinda bad. Kinda right to say that. Thor needs to understand that he can be a "god" and a good man, that he can actually be good and a ruller. And he doubts that point in his words.

Or “Phil Son Of Coul”

Thor is both a name and title. The name of Thor Odinson is well... Thor. However, it depends on how he lives up to that name. That is when Thor becomes a title. If he does not live up to his name and essentially succeed Odin, then Thor does not deserve the title of "Thor" or "God of Thunder." He may still go by the name of Thor when cast out of Asgard or when he loses his hammer, but at that point he no longer holds or deserves the title of Thor. The Title of Thor correlates with "Odinson." If he disgraces himself or acts out of line to a certain point, he no longer is deserving of being called Thor Odinson. Thus he loses the title of Thor Odinson, and is only by the name of Thor. This is all essentially what his name means. His name is Thor Odinson, but if he does something to lose the title of God of Thunder; then he loses his worthiness of the title "Thor." Thus, due to his name both being a Name and a Title, it is able to be passed down when another person takes up the earthly mantle of the hero. There is also the fact he is called Thor, and if Jane Foster or someone else takes up the mantle then they either go by Thor or go by something else that strays them farther from actually being a successor.

Odinson is Thor's last name not a title

Der Rider I agree

Der Rider No kidding. Jane Foster is little more than Marvel trying to be trendy, and making a woman a big character. They didn't bother trying to write a new character. Thus we have unworthy Thor being way cooler.

Judging from the video (did not read the comic) the logic is so vague. So what is his full name? Odinson? So if has children, they will be Odinson-son? Thor is clearly a name, not a title. That is saying Tony is a title, not "Iron Man".

Their children will be named "(name) Odinson". Odinson works as a surname, because they are still descendants of Odin.

I definitely find Jane Foster more interesting. Thor has always been boring to me. He has his moments though

Spoona Benson same man same

Spoona Benson literally reading a comic as opposed to figuratively reading a comic?

john doe Literally. That literally happened and people literally believed it, literally.

Spoona Benson and so he did

I bet Rob is going a.... Eh?!

Enterprise wrong

Joseph Lysaght its a joke...

dahuterschuter Yeah I mean if Doctor Otto Octavius has anything to say about it *Superior spiderman joke*

And Gunther wore it best

In this context wouldn't it be that Peter is just a title and his name is actually parker?

Messiah Bardock I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR A WHILE. BETA RAY BILL!

BEAR I've been saying this on all his recent vids, got like 120 likes on one of my comments

After this comic, I just can't stop calling him Beta Ray Bro. Goddamn I wish I had a friend as fucking loyal as him

Rich Thormentor THOR MY OATH BROTHER I HAVE RETURNED IN YOUR TIME OF NEED

Rich Thormentor at least you have friends

Yewd Notisum dude spoilers...

I think th's the best thing they could have done and I did enjoy it for what it was. It was far better than some of the other thor stories I've read. I'm hopefull for when he gets his own hammer back

Honestly I expected something like "the real Thor has been death long ago" Imagine someone whose name was actually Thor, was redheaded, and was the one whose powers are sealed in the hammer. While Odinson be a different son or maybe even adopted. Now that would be a surprise that would make Odinson think he isn't worthy of be called Thor and explain why they use the name Thor as a title.

less of an opinion and more of an inference.

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Vulgarr the Viking But but but, muh diversity

It's because Odin put the enchantment on the hammer. I doubt anyone intended this to happen when it was first written, but saying that anyone worthy of wielding the hammer "shall possess the power of Thor" means that Thor's powers have been separated from himself the instant Odin made that spell and could be given to whoever wields Mjolnir. Considering that Thor's exceptional power comes from his increased connection to the Odinforce due to his bloodline and Odin has full control of that force, it makes perfect sense that Odin could strip him of all but his baseline Asgardian power(which is why he's not really any stronger than a normal Asgardian soldier without it), connect it to the hammer, and imbue whoever wields the hammer with that power. I disagree with the idea that Thor literally doesn't possess the name "Thor" after he becomes unworthy, because that's just flat out his given name, but due to his pride as a warrior, I could see how he could psychologically want to punish himself by no longer considering himself "Thor" after everything he based his identify on was stripped away. It's rather horrible that his girlfriend actually went along with this self-punishment and decided to enable his identity crisis by calling herself "Thor", but what can you do?

I don't think the Nordic myth ever said Thor had a thing for Nurses either...

Beta Ray Bill wielded Mjolnir but he didn’t become Thor - having the power of Thor and being Thor are totally a different thing.

Sure if the comic was published in say Norway where he's part of the local mythology but here in the secular USA we can mess with him because he's just a comic book character, kinda like Heracles. So, not based on a real cultural American icon or even a Scandinavian one, he's a a made up comic character who is loosely based on a piece of mythology.

EbanSoul yea I really don't like that

Sooner the better

charlie dark and then people are gonna miss her like dick grayson batman or doc oc spiderman

If that was just an opinion then her titles wouldn't sell so crappy

john Thaerough Well numbers never lie . Marvel has definitely done something wrong with making Jane Foster the new "Thor"

And I actually hope Odinson ends up killing the female Thor not knowing it was Jane

Jane was far more interesting as thor than thor himself and is my favorite thor altogether

Theri4444 I disagree,Throg was probably the best Thor.

Bias much?

J Nix "Let me tell ya something Rob corps. J Nix is the best thing to come out of DC Rebirth!"

Aellis4 lmao that would be amazing.

Aellis4 even better is morgan freeman narrating a comic and rob narrating a movie

J Nix for real!!!

Same

Why turn it into a mantle? because it distances the powers from the identities. Why not have jane gain different powers? because the less expected conflict between the familiar is generally more intrinsic to immersion. Why cant he control "his" spell? The nature of spells is a primal and sentient catalyst of momentary whims, not identities. Why make him an Asgardian man instead of the hero-god of thunder? Because weakness is a reason to change, to grow or perish. Why make him obsessive and fearful? Because character flaws can be a better villain than antagonists.

Elliott Bohringer 1) Thor is a name, not a power. It is litterally a norse male name still used in Icelandic and Scandinavian countries, there is nothing to distinguish. His title/mantle is God of Thunder, so taking his place in Asgardian pantheon is one thing, stealing his name and identity is another. 2) I never taked about her having different powers, I said becoming a character of her own. Beta-Ray-Bill has essentially the same powers as Thor safe a few differences, but he has values and positions in Marvel cosmos that are unique to him. She doesnt, she litterally copied Thor's personality and added sexist bs such as female villains refusing to fight her because she's a woman, Freyja favoring her because she's female and other crap like which she has never earned by performing feats of her own, but by everyone else bowing down to her in desperate attempt to make readers like her. 3) What has identities anything to do with spells?! Odin put the spell on the hammer, he should be able to remove it at any time, none of this "spell evolved beyond the caster" crap is gonna cut it when Odin enchanted weapons and beings far beyond Mjolnir's power and they've held longer and since before the hammer was even forged, so thats plot convience, pure and simple, so to not allow Odin to take it from her, thats it. 4) Thor is powerful being in his own right, making him unworthy was perfect opportunity to showcase that he isnt useless without needing external artifacts to amp up his power. Yes, he is more vulnerable, but instead of showing his ability to adapt to this new situation and develop new ways to approach conflicts, he runs around trying to find new cluthches to sit on. They didnt evolve his character, they just downgraded him. 5) And that last point is complete and utter shit. Thor has character flaws already: arrogance, superiority complex, attack first/ask questions later, etc.. Making him fearful is complete rupture of his character as being courageous and fearless are some of his greatest qualities. Following Gorr ideology's being right, he should be doubtful of his place in the world, put in question the need for Earth to still have gods, but not his own noble values. So not only did they create entirely new flaws for him, but their ascendent from his best qualities. You sound like a guy who havent actually read about Jane Thor/Unworthy Thor &/or know nothing about Thor Odinson and just spouted generic lines to look like you how writers craft stories. Sorry but you cant bring idiotic points like that when you dont know if it applies or not to the character -_-

1) thor is mythological familiarity used commonly in the entertainment industry and adapted and changed radically for slight uniqueness. 2) she didnt literally copy his personality, i dont even know how to respond with how blatantly far off that is. if Heroic and reckless = personality, then you arent yet qualified to summarise. Youre right about the lack of innovation in powers. 3) it was said in the vid, the hammer doesnt comply with the spell completely since it has a will to interpret what and who and if "thor" even is. They havnt delved into the intricacies of spells in the comics far as i can see, so this may or may not have been the way its always been. this part is mostly your preference and since it seems too necessary to the plot and lacks foreshadowing, your against. 4) yes it seems like a missed opportunity. it's kinda like a Dr Who episode where you use all your good material and simply have him run away. 5) he's always had those fears but they havnt been covered in this detail; there is lots to suggest it, unlike the spell stuff. youre right about where im coming from, but it's important to understand the objectivity of your points and how much the writers must understand as well. at most, i would accuse them of treating the readers like those of an arc anime(atmosphere>plot hole proofing), but i wouldnt accuse them of butchering thor.

Elliott Bohringer 1) Thor is a name associated to a mythological deity, because its part of public domain doesnt change that (and doesnt make it entertainment familiarity term, how ridiculous is that lol). 2) She did; she has no personality traits of her own. Jane Foster was always a boring character and lame Lois Lane copycat. She was meant to "ground Thor to humanity" the way Lois did for Superman, but it never worked and as Thor they expected to make her relevant again. The only unique thing about her is how cancer somehow made her worthy (and it does make sense since its established that certain people can be worthier in desperate situations), but thats not personality. As Thor, she is reduced to a gender swap with terrible writing around her. There are tons of existing underdeveloped female characters in Thor mythos: Sif, Amora, Hela, Gaea, Angela, Idùn, Karnilla, etc. and she's just overshadowing them even further... 3) Rob imports some of his own assumptions in the video. The only explanation given is spell evolving beyond Odin's control. The hammer doesnt make you Thor, it grants worthy individuals his power. Odin created that spell and there is no reason he cant unmake it. Its sentience was given by Odin, its power comes from holding a portion of the OdinForce within it, all things open to his control. It has nothing to do with my personal preferences, its just plot convinience taking precedence over continuity and thats a mark of bad writing... 4) Well seems we're in agreement on that at least. 5) Stop the damage control, he never had those flaws, fearlessness was always his strenght. Doubt about his place in the universe (which would have been an appropriate plot line) and fear of not being worthy and feeling of being worthless without his hammer (which is what they are going for) arent the same thing and the latter is an insult to his character. Taking readers for idiots is sign of bad writing and ignoring/changing core elements of the character in favor of promoting an agenda is an insult to the character as far as Im concerned. Anyway, everyone has their taste of stories, you can like what you want, we dont have to agree on this. Just know this current run is in opposition with 50 years of continuity for the character and a slap in the face to anyone that was a fan of the continuity built by Marvel for him during this time...

your logic is strange and youre reading too much into what ive said plainly... i get your point though. bad change is bad, if not lazy, it was definitely lacking in compliance with our wants for believable continuity and familiarity enough to immerse

J fucking feminists

J well Thor is just the god of thunder but without his hammer he doesn’t seem to have thunder powers so I guess whoever has the hammer is the one with thunder and lighting powers which gives them the title of god of thunder aka Thor

ThetrueMarksmen no. They become the god of thunder not thor.

ThetrueMarksmen naw Thor still has his thunder powers without it, this just bad portrayal on the character

ARNAV JOSHI ... *shaking head*

Kevin Khuu yes

Kevin Khuu its marvel though

Anthony Garcia joke

Pretty much

Sociedade Nihilista i dont even now if this is the reason. why cant we ask mjolnir? it is obviously sentient

Sentient Mjolnir.

sentient bullshit

if recall correctly from a previous video it was a sentient space storm how sentient is not said

Yes

Timmy Charles he's getting a bit old to play Fury in my opinion

Well, he is the Danger after all

Hidden comment squad!

Only David Hasselhoff can play white Nick Fury

that's not something to live up to.

Spoona Benson It's the best thing coming out of DC Rebirth what are you talking about

Spoona Benson True

Jayy Escobar I don't know

*Good Thing FIFY

Bill D triggered

Conor Punch Is your comment a micro-aggression?

Thor is a title odinson is his name

MemeSSJG Thor is his name, Odinson just tells you he’s obviously the son of Odin just like Odin is the son of Bor hence Borson is Odin’s last name . God of Thunder is the title Thor carries. By saying Jane Foster is Thor is a statement that is false because just because you wield Mjölnir doesn’t make you Thor. Captain America once wielded the hammer but did that make him Thor no.

You're not writing the story, Jason Aaron is. Period. End of story.

Norway Estrella nope he wants to be the ultimate collecTHOR😂

The door is on the left sir

it didn't, that is factually incorrect in every way, they sold about the same, and the numbers back that up

I agree

That's what I was thinking lmao

Kryptonian Excellence yeah , everyone looks over that . Even Ultimate Thor can be seen levitating without spinning his hammer .

*relied

By Jason Aaron probs

Y'all both forgetting about Godbomb

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just buy the comic......... bitch

C MM yep me too

C MM yup

Dav Free the fact that you're asking about the title "now" clearly show you haven't read marvel since incursion, and have nothing to argue

lol what

Dav Free Marvel screwed up when they did that. Thor is his name not a title , otherwise on Mjolnir it would say Possess The Power And Become THOR instead of Possess The Power Of THOR.

Dav Free people just need to stop buying Thor books altogether

+?Mr Unknown? Yeah, except the current Thor is the same being "created" when Donald Blake picked up the Hammer. We've had so many retcons up to this point, that I feel it is pretty pedantic to try arguing it either way.

I'd like to follow up with a direct response to you saying "Well no answer would be good " there are better answers than the one presented, the fact is Thor should have realized long ago Gorr was right, he's fought people including other gods for hundreds/thousands of years, he's been around the Greek pantheon which is the highest example of Gorr's point. The fact it took him this much out of it makes me wonder how he hasn't been before.

Malekith cut it off

In what run did thor lost his arm and in which one he couldnt lift mjolnir?

I think it would've been interesting if Thor sacrificed himself to save Jane Foster by giving her the power of Thor. I don't know, I like Jane Foster Thor but the way they introduced her, basically nerfing the crap out of Odinson, was really weak. I imagine that they'll eventually make Jane normal again but at least my way you would maintain Odinson's honor and you would know that Jane Foster's Thor was just a temporary thing to cure her cancer.

isnt she a EMT or something? why wouldnt someone who self-sacrifices on a daily basis, going into potentially dangerous situations and environments not be worthy of thor's hammer?

+DarkEpyon123 No one is saying that she's not worthy at all. We're saying that there are plenty of other strong female characters that are far more deserving of the role.

She could get cured of her cancer with magic but she's so stubborn that she will only do it threw human means

Quimper111 ?

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