HOW TO BALANCE THE ISLE ONCE AND FOR ALL- An Isle Discussion 

Me, who stumbled on this video by complete accident and has no fucking idea what's going on: mhm yes I see

Watching Pesky accomplish in 1 week what the isle devs couldn't in 7 years

If pesky was a dev in the isle world peace would be achived

I long for the day when The Isle's stats will reach a point where they're perfectly balanced and won't ever need any more tweaking besides when new playables are added. I'm tired of Teno's stats and virtually entire play style to change every single update.

This is sad seeing how this balance would seemingly never happen in The Isle. When I heard Pesky say that Pachy doesnt get one shot by Deino in the actual game I was very shocked. (I mean thats just absurd)

Remember, pls be respectful and mature bros, it'll save both myself and literally everyone else a lot of hassle lol

Great video bro I see why it took so long but yeah my only gripe is the bleed which may make your states need adjustment otherwise I like the ideas and hopefully the devs see some reason in this.

I seriously hope that the devs consider this

I don't even play the isle, but I think you did a really good job balancing! Although I believe you've failed to take bleed into account during these matchups. A lot of times where a dino is left with a sliver of health, they would just die anyways cause of bleed.

the fact this is really well done and seems really balanced is great, though the likelihood of the devs doing this? very disappointing.

you and Z might have just single (or double) handedly saved the isle, this was impressive af good job💪

I like the new carno avatar. Looks good man Edit: I noticed it had elbows. Opinion retracted for scientific innacuracy

I'm very scared of how inflated the stats of apexes added to the game will be in comparison to the current Deino and Stego... Surely a t-rex is going to be built to take down things like a stego. Can you imagine the kind of ridiculously high stats it needs to do that? And we all know how much Dondi loves his t-rex. **Shudders**

This is perfection at its finest. Giving more action to the game and actually risking your dino for the hunt instead of deinos and carnos face tanking, amazing job.

You really hit the nail on the head there with the comments on power-gap, power-creep, and regressing to legacy. The devs are seriously just making the same mistakes again and again, and it doesn't seem like they realize that or are ignorant to people's concerns about it. So much so that they construct entire new catchphrases to invalidate criticism, such as how the isle is supposedly not a pvp game, or not pvp-focused, but rather a "survival game". That ontop of the irony of defining it as a hardcore game yet having very stat-determined rather than skill-determined balance is what makes this video a breath of fresh air to listen to. We need someone large in this community to echo the experienced, veteran players' concerns who have seen the whole song and dance already.

So basically... dondi's crying right now

Vote Pesky for head dev

One big problem that stuck out to me is how the game still has shit boxes that, unless are somewhat decently fixed, will almost completely eliminate the majority of effects these stat changes made to the current combat matchups in the live build. Plus, stam regen rates are still really broken on some animals, with stego being able to regen every bit of its stamina after fully bucking and killing a singular utah (with its tail swing) in just 15 seconds. I hope you understand why the endurance hunter, aka "utahraptor ostrommaysi", would have a problem killing stegos purely by bleeding it out while also trying to juke tail swings in order to land a successful pounce. On top of that, utah still has issues with actually being viable in a fight against carnos and tenos, the two things that the "pack hunter" in theory should be able to kill if its pack and own attacks are coordinated correctly. A poorly aimed pounce and/or pounce bug is all utah's opponent needs to make it bleed like hell thanks to the fact that most of it's preferred food is able to bleed it more than it can to them. I'm not saying that utah shouldn't be challenged during hunts, but I'm not saying that it shouldn't be garbage at doing what its built for either. Simply put, carno and teno should have a weaker bleed output, and I hope you see why. Nonetheless, it was a great video that showed great balance discipline and attention to detail when producing. Thanks for reading. : )

I personally think after they add a large variety of dinos to the roster, they should triple the map size and increase the player cap to 450 give or take a few, combine is with the weather system/seasons constantly changing the landscape, and the possible unique map locations, it would make the map feel alot more like an island to be explored/survived on

Woah, this is so good, all we need is to factor in bleed now and I feel like we'd have an ideal balance within Donwittich the thirds the Island survival

Pesky abandons the ironic rantsona in favor of an actual sona. Don't kill the part of you that's cringe, kill the part that cringes. Anyway, I love the new sona! The expressions are so cute and hold my attention more than just listening to audio. Can definitely see why this video took so long! Well done!

This seems to be that big project you said you were working on.

Not going to lie ol' Pesky dude, usually your proposed stat changes or buffs/nerfs sound horrifically biased or not well thought out. But that's likely due to you coming up with them on the spot in videos. These changes however are actually quite good, I can find almost no issues with them on paper. Good work here overall. Godspeed wacky blue carno.

It's sad how you can balance the whole game in 1 night and the dev team has been doing it for like 6 years, what's even more sad is that they will literally ignore this video existence

I think Dino's (the gators) should take less head shot damage. IRL gators and crocs can tank shotgun slugs to the face at point blank range ,in fact, their skulls are SO hard that its advised to AVOID shooting them in them face completely because bullets will ricochet off of their skull and send shrapnel back at the shooter,and many people have accidentally killed themselves doing this.

Not the hero we asked for, But the hero we needed.

“See this grease stain on the screen? This monstrosity? Yeah, say goodbye to him.” *NOOOOOOOOOO*

Well done Pesky, you’ve done an amazing job and I hope that the Isle devs definetly implement this! WHOOO, OUT FAVOURITE DINO BOI FOR THE WIN!!

I really like the new colour combination of the Pesky carno and the beach in the background

This was an amazing video Pesky. Love the artwork here. Artist, you are praised for the cute Blue Carno. My heart melts. I love how well you made the entire video as well. With the stats included for my soft brain. It’s so well done and I’m terrible at math, so I’m not complaining about any of the numbers. Thank you Pesky!

Although I like what you said for the most part I only have one criticism. I think that deinosuchus should deal 50% more damage if it attains a headshot. It would aid in it's ambush gameplay while at the same time be fairly hard to attain a headshot on land as a deinosuchus. It would further incentivize stego to protect it's head in a deino fight, which really isnt all that hard. Also I think it is kind of absurd that a carno takes two headshots from a deinosuchus to kill it, despite it's relatively light build.

Finally, Another isle discussion, I've been waiting I showed my mom your video on the anky and she now loves anky because of you lol

Pesky gets cancelled by the devs part 2?

Your new sona art design is extremely well detailed and the colours really make the design really expressive and cool if you do any more isle discussions in the future, I would love to see your carno sona

Great points made. Feel like you took your time. I can tell that you love the carno from this video you put so much thought into him and his and others match up. Great video.

I love how in depth this is. Great video

THE MOMENT WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR

This vid is good, but it would be perfect if u mentioned bleed, alt bite (if am not mistaken it does more dmg than regular bite) and regainig even the smol amount health in the figts. (Dont think i wanna act like a "balancing expert", i just think those thinks have a place in this video)

man, this video was really thought out and really good! looking forward to more essay types.

Glad to see a return to this format, this is great!

personally disagree with some of this logic, speed holds a lot of control in a fight, faster animals can simply choose not to engage, unlike slower animals unless there is a huge stamina advantage. generally the slower animal in a same-tier matchup should have an advantage in the melee, but that's just my opinion. in cases like utah vs pachy or carno vs cerato, a melee disadvantage could make the faster animal consider their options more when engaging, which is important considering they control if a fight happens at all

I really like those stat changes, actually, they're really good. I, too, was worried about the current balance of Evrima and I am glad I was not the only one. Our only hope is for them to actually take feedback from this.

HOLY SH*T PESKY. Your a genius , and u came up with this in one night. I have no idea why your here and not working on the isle but this is truly amazing. kudos to u my guy, well done.

I like the way you make this kind of videos!

yeah i remember thinking how bs it was when i saw a pack of 5 carnos land 15 headshots and the damn stego didnt die was bs, 11 is a perfect amount considering the high risk factor carno has since its not nearly as nimble as a utah

Wouldn't some dinosaurs need a stat change every time a new dino is added?

I've never heard of this game and I don't know why this video was recommended to me, but your 'sona design looks awesome and you're really pleasant to listen to! Keep up the good work.

Ok, i absolutely this video. Well thought out dynamics for the dinosaurs, thorough discussion, and a really visually appealing character. I thought it was a little goofy at first, but it genuinely grew on me.

For a moment, I felt like I was watching a dev diary regarding Evrima's future. Sadly, it was just a golden suggestion written by RU-vid's best The Isle creator which the devs will likely ignore for favor of hubris. At least we can imagine an ideal funny dinosaur game now. So thank you for that, Pesky.

One I really enjoyed the video any chance you may make a second one for legacy dinos that would be eventually moved in and there idea matchup's? Also old figure doesn't deserver never ending turning red.

Awesome video 👍 Pesky can't wait for the next one

i lowkey rlly love this rant type of content from you lmao

Main change i want is for ptera to do enough damage to be a juvi killer, want to roleplay my opportunistic playstyle ;)

This was incredibly well put together, and I agree with all of it. So much so that I want to attempt to put my own logic to it, since I'm most excited for it. Troodon's (Predicted) stats: 220 Health | 25 base bite damage. Troodon's main advantages toward the other dinosaurs would be: a. Agility, b. Stronger bleed and c. the venom. I'm not exactly sure what the devs are planning with venom, but for circumstances I'm going with the mainly hallucinatory that only causes the victim to see multiple troodons and panic, while eating at their hunger at the same time. I would hate for it to be another type of bleed so I'm being optimistic. =- Match-ups: -= *Carnotaurus* - Carnotaurus favored A body shot on the troodon from the carnotaurus will leave only 20 health, which should give the troodon a chance to get away if in a battle. A head shot will kill the troodon, so it can't survive a carno's ambush. Especially not if the carno lands a charge in any way. Troodon would need to slowly bite the carno 74 times for the carno to fall, so only a high number of troodons swarming the carno can take it down. A lone troodon should never take a carno, the troodon should simply apply some venom to confuse the carno and run off. *Deinosuchus* - R.I.P troodon Troodon should not be an awesome swimmer (But not a terrible swimmer either), nor be able to hold it's breath. *Dryosaurus* - Troodon favored Dryo is likely going to be on troodon's diet, and as such the troodon's sheer agility would be able to over do even dryo's agility. Dryo's only option is to run, as it can only tank 5 hits as the 6th hit is exactly it's health. Troodon would be relying on the panic from dryo to kill it, which could mean troodon has an easier time killing the dryo if it has back up like a stego. I've balanced this so that troodon can hang in there when alone by having a favored 1v1 to dryo. (I lowered troodon's bite damage significantly so dryo wouldn't die in 3 hits though.) *Hypsilophodon* - Troodon favored Troodon would be one of the few creatures that could contest hypsi's speed and agility, making bushes and high spots the hypsi's bests friends as the troodon can out maneuver the hypsi on the ground. It takes a single shot for hypsi to die to troodon, however, if the hypsi can see the troodon coming a tail hit will not end the hypsi. *Pachycephalosaurus* - Pachy favored Pachy's punishing damage would hard troodon heavily, since its relying on speed and agility to take down it's prey. A body or leg fracture would put troodon out of the fight, meaning a 1v1 between the two would be near impossible as it takes 24 bites to take down a pachy, theres a guarantee that troodon will get caught. It only takes two full rams to kill the troodon, or alternatively, three headswings or a headswing paired with a ram damage to again two shot the troodon. *Pteranodon* - Troodon favored Since troodon primarily relies on chip damage to kill things, pteranodon gets to survive four whole body shots from the troodon, but troodon is stealthy, and it's bites are likely pretty fast. So if the troodon can sneak up and land three head shots quickly the bird wouldn't know what hit him. This would be vastly easier with only one extra troodon to help. *Stegosaurus* - R.I.P troodon Troodon is smart, and as a smart dinosaur the troodon knows the only way to kill a stegosaurus is to lead it to a frozen pond, where the troodon is too light for the ice to break but the stego is far too fat it'll crumble and freeze to death or at least get slowed down. *Tenontosaurus* - Circumstantial Tenoto can one shot a troodon with its tail slam and two shot the troodon when the kick is paired with any other move. Which seems accurate to me. A lone troodon should not be able to kill a teno, but a pack of around 6 troodon would be able to overwhelm and decimate a lone teno. It would take 66 bites from the troodon to take down a teno, which paired with the troodons quick biting and speed would not be a difficult feat, as the teno is far slower than it. *Utahraptor* - Utah favored Utah can kill a troodon in three bites, a troodon can kill a utah in 20. It would take 5 troodons to take a single utah, and utahs aren't often alone. A pounce can also easily take a troodon. That took me an hour, even more props to you for doing that with 9 different dinosaurs.

Best video you've made yet, maybe you could try to make another video like this when they've released more creatures.

What a masterpiece, this become a historic isle video hopefully

Only things I flat out disagree with are Tenontos bite costing stamina and making the tail slam do more damage than it's kick. I feel that the kick being the damage dealer is better because it encourages comboing with all of your attacks giving each one its own purpose in a fight. The way I see it currently Tenontos tail slam is used for it's reach and stun allowing you to punish something that gets too close with crowd control and allowing you to follow up with the harder to land kicks for maximum damage. Edit: (I think the Teno bite costing stam may be an error because on Pesky's chart it says all attacks cost stam while later the bite is not listed with other stam attacks.)

Can't lie, this is very well done in terms of base stats. I'd love to see you and Z's take on stats and match ups regarding future dinosaurs: granted, that'd be more speculative and more effort as there's no numbers to base it all off, plus you'd both have to speculate on different attacks. Regardless it could be dope videos, reminds me of speculative smash roster videos where a creator homebrews a characters moveset. You two have a good understanding on the Dino fundamentals in this game and knowledge on the species coming to the game, so it could be fun to think about

those pngtuber sprites of the funny blue carno are super cute! big props to whoever made these!

That was perfect everything worked as best it could so bravo pesky!

this is all good an all, if people didnt treat the game as a deathmatch, instead of you know, surviving, because it is a survival game that your meant to be surviving

Only thing I’d say is reducing growth times with a lot of situation’s that can end in a one shot, plus just spending 4 to 5 hours growing something is not fun to me in my opinion nothing should take more than 3 hours (maybe 4 hours if it’s in Apex), idk maybe this is just me but I feel like growth time should also be considered with balancing

Great video! I see a lot of sense in these changes, which I sincerely hope that the devs take into account. I would love to see a disscussion from you on some of Evrima's other problems (Map layout and diets, the roster choice for upcoming playables such a homalocephale, beipi, magy, etc)

I love ads on every part change very funny pesky

Nice, but about Stego's bite force, now it got 50, and utah which got a way larger mouth got 55, just 5 more than stego does. When i realized this, then it disgusted me very much. I still think 40 bite force for stego is WAY too much, it should be closer to 20, cuz it got a small mouth with zero teeth. Where Utah got a way more larger mouth with teeth. So yes 80 for Utah is reasonable correct. However, stego's should be 15-20, because of this exact reason. Also another thing about Stego's tail swing, yes i totally agree that it should do tons of damage. However, as it is now, then there is basically almost no timeout between each tail swipe, which make stego impossible to take on as a deino. There should be a high amount of damage, but add a bit more timeout, so it's actually balanced.

So what I'm hearing... is that the Hypsi is superior and will rise supreme over the land 👀😂

Rewatching every pesky the isle video until update 6.5 (:

This has been insightful and I hope the devs actually take your advice to implement these changes. Thank you for your time Blue Carnotaurus man!

Ah, the classic. It's been a while since a video like this and I am glad it's back. This is what made Pesky blow Up and known in the first place and how I grew to respect him as the Jordan Peterson of the isle. Thank you you blond beautifull man for making content on an indie title that I don't play and couldnt care less about (I do enjoy your videos) 0:29 Also sorry but this new rantsona is a lot more cringe than the last one

The problem with this is that we don't know if this will function when other dinos are added. Stego might be op now but that's because there are no carnivores that are supposed to be able to defeat it

I really like these style of videos hope to see more like this, also I definitely agree with your balance decisions let’s hope the devs listen

Pure quality has been blessed upon me

I feel that the biggest factor towards this game's imbalance is due to the devs prioritizing realism way too much over what is fun.

Wtf Pesky has become a png dinotuber

I just love how pesky put in hours of work on this video just for the devs to completely ignore him.

great job pesky awesome job on the stats i hope the devs see this and implement it

Carno one shots everything if hit on the tail please

Isle Devs: Look at these cool trashcan models, look at this sick troodon mating dance, look at the new skin system! Playerbase: That's neat and all but what does this do about balancing the current roster and gameplay mechanics (diet system 🤮)? Isle Devs: Nesting is a pretty cool concept? As for balancing, it always feels like they got a dart board set up and just throw a dart at it when the community screams about x needing buff/nerf. It's the most random stuff they're change for the heck of it.

Thanks for the great video pesky. You've made many great points. I really hope your video helps better the game.

Awesome video mate, hopefully they take note of these

I know you said _current_ evrima, but, a lot of this sounds more like something that is fixed by adding more playables to the game to balance check the others. Like. Carno. I don't really see how you're comparing it to...Acro of all playables in a matchup against Stego. No matter how much faster a Carno is, none of the three mentioned playables (Allo, Alberto, Acro) would be so slow as to get hit more than once in a drive by attack. And this is before we get into how each would be much tankier, dealing way more dmg in Raw/Bleed/Fractures, and we still need to consider what their recovery rates will be like in a prolonged fight. Acro and Alberto should actually be fine. Allo on the other hand, and I say this as an Allo main, should decide it has better things to do with its life than bother an adult Stego. Same with Deino. The more playables you add, the better it becomes as the list of viable prey increases. It also gets checked more often by bigger creatures, but, that's the point. You're a river beast, stay near the water. The only thing I would give Deino, is a tail slap to stun smaller playables-not more dmg on the bite. Another thing, I think you could go further in balance by designing more biomes that better favor the mechanics and features of an individual in lieu of their stats. Such as barriers that hard block playables incapable of jumping or are simply to large to pass through an entrance.

"We fixed the game!" *Balances dinosaurs entirely around combat and not their actual niches such as Tenonto being a herd animal that should flee en masse like the maia or para. Completely ignores how the main balance issue with the game right now is the stamina values for herbies like teno and dryo being too low while carno's is too high* Treating balance as solely combat based is how Beasts of Bermuda gave us the horrible disease that is murder birds. When you don't actually design the dinos to their actual niche and reduce them to just 'how to kill other dino', you miss the point of the balancing in the first place and thus nothing is solved.

It’s all fun and games until the 2d animated carnotaurus persona crosses his arms in the long essay style commentary video

5:07 I know this video is kinda serious but I find the sped up Prehistoric Planet Carnotaurus dancing irrationally funny.

pesky posted a 40 min video that im probably going to watch 10 times LET'S GO

funfact the infamous anky video is what introduced me to ur channel. no regrets also i love ur new rantsona lol its REALLY cute

i love both your avatars, the bad edit of the old one made it cute haha you can use any of the 2 and Ill be fine with it

I enjoy your videos so much !! I agree 100% with this

playing this while making brownies because I think pesky in the background sweetens up the batter a bit

great video, i'd love to see a part 2 when more playables are added?

Love the video and the new art! Hope the devs hear you out!

R.I.P human pesky, feels like just yesterday i was waking up at 6 am to watch the new carno carnage video from pesky.......

I think a neat idea would be to give each dino species a unique passive that amplifies it's niche. For example since Utah raptor is a pack hunting predator that often times requires a pack to stand a chance against most threats, the Utah raptor should be rewarded for hunting along side with other Utah raptors. Here's an example of a passive. Utah raptor (pack mentality): for every other Utah raptor that is within 40 meters of you, your attacks deal additional 1 damage and you gain +1%movement speed. This stack up to a maximum of 5 times. This means in a pack of 5 or more each raptor is going to deal an additional 5 damage and be 5% faster.

Love the new rantsona

This video gave me hope

Due to the already present toxic game play i have experienced. I have not played in months. However watching this video did make me smile inside and i really hope the devs listen to this video and take it into consideration.

Major props to you for truly going in-depth with these purposed changes, taking consideration of play style and changes. I've wanted to try out the game since it came out but several outside factors stopped me from buying it, but of late when I am considering it again, I'm sadden to hear what has happened to the game.

I think your new dinosona is super cute, visually appealing and matches your voice!

happy birthday pesky! hah. thought we would forget eh?

Love the new Pesky xD