I know that my five years working in the games industry, being lead QA on one of the most popular FPS of its time and generally my complete and total fucking cynicism may not count for much, but I feel that there's a clip from Rab C Nesbitt that might be relevant here. The games industry is just behind the fucking KKK for being male and white. The amount of sexism, weird otaku shit and just mind blowing incel crap that is considered, "regular" would make a bunch of 12 year olds in the 80s playing Dungeons and Deliberate Female Oppression look like radical feminists. The reasons why games are shite is because the whole industry was taken over by venture capitalists who hired managers who worked on boxed white goods. Fuck Sarkesian. If you want to know why games are shit - consider that a game I know was delayed for two months because the executives saw rapelling in MW2 at E3 and insisted it was put into the game, despite literally having no place in it.
Ive always thought disobedient canines games were on par with the tightly coiled piles they leave on the lawn. The over hype the fans boys have is unfathomable
If feminists like Anita Sarkeesian really believed women were equal to men, they wouldn't hijack successful male-oriented movies and games, they would make their own. It's amazing how UNCREATIVE they really are.
It happens everywhere, literally every movie, every tv show, every game... “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time is enemy action.”
@@monkeyrobotsinc.9875 more like it's Woke people need to be launched into the sun. Cali is fine but the people in charge? Well they kinda make me wish they'd just get hit by cars.
The unfortunate thing is it still ended up selling incredibly well. It properly split the fanbase down the middle, but still sold even better than the first. Now there's a third being thrown around, with golden boy at the head of writing.
I worked with Amy at Crystal Dynamics and I have never met, before or since, such a creative, intelligent, and dedicated individual, to say nothing of her incredible storytelling talent. What happened to her at ND was an inexcusable crime. Lesson learned: The talented artists and designers who create monumentally successful (and profitable) work are always at the mercy of non-creative suits who have no fucking clue how to do anything but make fiction-based earning projections spreadsheets.
Art and science being attacked / hijacked by SJWs. Evetything ruined by the ballast of activism. And corporate suits liking ass for dollars which they don't get.
It's sad that she ended up in CD tho, they're as woke and as socially backwards as ND nowadays. Now this awesome woman needs to get her own company, imagine her own built world where no one c*ck blocks her creativity, and clearly Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics do not deserve such talent. Hope you too are doing well on a company that actually respects you and their customers!
@@coacksenmayasse5771 She has her " own " company. Skydance new media and they recently announced they were working on a star wars game with Lucas Game :)
I can just see the articles now: "Fans HATE The Last of Us 2, and that's a good thing." "The story of TLOU2 is actually genius, and here's why." "TLOU2 is underperforming in sales, Gamergate and Nazis to blame."
@No Go not for THEM though. The left facists believe that anyone who is not 100% of THEIR opinion is a racist/ Nazi/ evil human being. And exactly this makes them fascistic.
I don't like this game for perfectly valid reasons, and I've been told repeatedly, and quite aggressively, that it's because I'm a misogynistic guy. I'm not misogynistic or a guy.
I am a straight white male and make no apologies for it. The story and characters are uninteresting and nothing that I have not seen 100 times before. Many games and movies are becoming a platform to preach leftist ideology at the expense of entertainment value. It is not stunning or brave, it is just old and boring.
Well, at least she admits she's racist and sexist too. I mean, she's included in 'everything', so, I guess, let's follow her lead and POINT. IT. ALL. OUT. Crazy Lady is sexist, Crazy Lady is racist, Crazy Lady is misogynistic!
@EramSemperRecta Don't bring Trotsky into this. These people are not progressive, or left-wing, or even communist. They might say they are, but when have you seen them actually, dunno, promoting the welfare of the community? All I see them do is try to break everything that doesn't agree with them and their individual specific viewpoint. Trotsky was a product of his time, flaws and all, but these hypocrites don't have the guts to follow even outdated ideas and opinions.
Disobedient K-9 somehow managed the impossible, they made Zombie Mushroom Game Part 2 even worse than I could have imagined even after reading the leaks. The person who did the leak should have a statue made of them as they saved so many people many hours of frustration and $60.00.
More than twenty months later, this video is still absolutely spot on. And for those who continue to accuse The Critical Drinker of misogyny or anti-woman biases, they're not really listening to his core message: uplifting female roles in media does not have to come at the expense of demolishing existing storylines, characters, narratives, and settings. Unfortunately, as TCD keeps pointing out, this is exactly what happens, and only because modern writers are too lazy and modern corporate producers too averse to risk.
That's one of the problems with TLOU2. It goes too far in this, awkwardly shoving representation in without fully adapting it to the setting. We end up with Lev's identity as a trans guy being so vital to his characterization that it basically means everything that happens to him (i.e. the death of his entire family) is a result of it, which didn't exactly hit well with everyone in the trans community. We end up with Dina accompanying Ellie not because she had ride-or-die bonds with Joel, Ellie, or Tommy before Joel's death, and not because she's a perfect party member for this kind of mission (in fact she's relatively sheltered for this kind of setting), but so she can be the Token Girlfriend. The annoying part is that who & what they are doesn't need to change in the slightest - all they needed was better motivation. Dina, because she's an inexperienced teenager going on a mass assassination mission (yeah, I know the plan is to rescue Tommy, but let's be real here), either needs something a LOT stronger than being Ellie's girlfriend for a couple days. Or she needs to be a lot more dumbstruck by the brutality of it all, a lot more fish out of water, allowing her fear and lack of skill/confidence to play against Ellie's determination. Lev just needed more of a reason for everything to have happened besides "because he's trans".
Fuck me there's maybe 5-10 minutes of what you could call 'virtue signalling' in a game with a runtime of 20+ hours.. if you fail to see the themes of empathy and the human condition due to such insignificant character traits as gender or race then the problem is with YOU, not the medium. Channels like TCD are contrarian by their very nature to attract clicks, yet a bunch of lonely individuals feel like it's a rallying cry to shit on next to anything and everything because 'mah masculinityz'
@@phattjohnson It's not really the "virtue signaling" itself that's the issue here. As you point out, it's not particularly overdone. Frankly, I think Ellie and Dina's relationship gets fairly close to the right amount of focus for this sort of story (if anything, it's kind of LACKING tbh), and while Lev's circumstances have always seemed a bit too strongly highlighted to me, that's not actually really a problem with him - besides the fact that he's a lot more of a secondary character than I'd expect to get that kind of spotlight, being the player's companion for only about two and a half segments in Abby's campaign. No, the real issue is the lack of proper buildup and focus dedicated to major story elements like Ellie's immunity, or major story moments like Joel getting shot. Lev being trans has more of a direct impact on Abby's campaign than Ellie's immunity does on hers. In fact, Ellie's immunity is heavily downplayed by Naughty Dog, given how incredibly contrived it is for there to have been only one person in the whole world who could have engineered a fungal vaccine, and the man wasn't even a fucking fungal or vaccine lab specialist, but a surgeon. That's like expecting a Formula One racer to be the only person in the world who can repair a fighter jet. Lev's circumstances as a trans dude are also... more central to his character arc than I'd expect? Obviously it's very important to him, but I mean, it's treated as the main catalyst for him and Yara to have fallen out with the rest of the Scars, when, say, a plotline about them AND their mother falling out with the rest because of the changes since the founder prophet died and how they believed in the "old ways" or something. A behind-the-scenes conflict like that is a really compelling, thought-provoking concept. Instead, it's mostly about Lev rejecting his designated role as a brood mare, making him less of a character who happens to be trans and more of a character to whom everything negative happens because he's trans. I'm cis, so I can't speak for trans folk, but I don't see why that was necessary, and I strongly believe the former would have been better. Keep the scenes where Abby just gets it, those were great, but he doesn't need to have to lose his mother and sister over it. Other than that, I think it's fine, it's just that his traits definitely got more attention than other, more central characters' did, and it's noticeable. The lack of focus and time on aspects that are specific to this series, and the higher-than-expected focus on something like the religious extremism of the Scars through the lens of how they treat Lev, definitely lends itself to the feeling of ND worrying more about virtue signaling than the coherency of the plot. I honestly don't think they intended to uplift such aspects at the cost of demolishing the others mentioned, it's just a bit of a byproduct of not really knowing how to fully make use of and fully flesh out those other aspects.
Badtanman Mate the game is politically correct bullshit that is trying to push an Agenda. Games shouldn’t be pushing any sort of Agenda just tell good stories and be fun. That’s it. Stop trying to appease to a a demographic that don’t even play games.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p i am not hating the game, the guy that made the game is a asshole who bullied a Amy Henning out of her work. The woman responsable for this stuido success.
m_hicks12 Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy were still good games that were not too pandering. I mean other than Nadine being a thing there isn’t much of a SJW agenda in those games.
@m_hicks12me too i did not follow the last of us or Naughty Dog news because i always assumed that they always make good games, until i said the Robingaming video about "naughty secret agenda", and he got bombarded by ND toxic fans, alot of people were blind and put this dude on a pedestal because of first game, but people now after seing this shitty game people have open their eyes to all the things this dude have done, that he bullied Amy Henning out of her job and that his running a propagandist political studio.
So having the courage to be yourself even if it's frowned upon isn't sth to be proud off? Don't apply your generalising logic here, because it doesn't work
@@elpeluca7780 No, there's nothing wrong with being yourself so long as you don't scream about it every few seconds. Most people don't give a shit about who you sleep with, nobody should be known for being "that one gay person" in a group. People want to know you for who you are, your gender, sexuality, race, nationality, ethnic group shouldn't be the *main thing* people recognize you for as a person. I recognized Ellie because she was a kid trying to survive in a fucked up world where it's dog-eat-dog out there with Joel. Oh? She's lesbian? ... Cool. So long as that's not the only reason you like her for or the only reason as to WHY she is there in the first place, then it's alright to have these kinds of characters be in videogames.
@@xoschohoko2327 well, I was referring to the pride parades. I actually agree with what you last said. It's frustrating to see gays or ppl of an ethnic group where their personality is being a walking stereotype in medier
On r/LGBT somebody asked what we think of LGBTQ representation in videogames. I said if we are gonna be represented as dumb, bland, empty shells of characters (and gave the example of Ellie and dina from the last of us 2) then I'd rather we aren't represented at all. I was then told that I'm a straight white male and when i explained that in no way am i a straight white male, i was told that i have internalised homophobia. I wish i was joking but that's what i was actually told.
Well clearly those people that opposed you are Harvard graduate intellectuals, so they know everything. If I made a game, I would have LGBTQ representation but make those characters competent and deep.
@@Cyber_Kriss I think it's illogical, regardless of the sex. By firering this talented woman she showed the world that she really is just a person who wants to use woman and feminisn as a protection to shield herself and her work from criticism. If you go woke, nobody is allowed to criticise you. She doesn't care about woman or anyone else except herself for that matter.
@Anubis_X64 I'm not sure I'm really getting where you're coming from, but I also don't believe her to be a feminist, only someone who uses the ideology to further her own plans. And she appears to be less talented than the one she fired, right. Women are physically weaker than men, yes, I don't see the connection, but ok... And yes, the pandering to a certain groups of people, especially in video games and movies is annoying. I mean, you always have your target audience, but now days it feels like they are more thinking about how to include a maximum amount of "diverse" people in the movie/game than about the actual story.
@@trevorphilips9065 rockstar is a giant dumpsterfire for more than five years, they sued any and all bad reviews, not even concerning social problems, but just because they lost profit. But their parent company take two went completely bonkers with that idea with rdr2 and the new borderlands. They destroyed almost 20% of all western video game review websites by successfully demanding loss compensation from arbitration boards for bad reviews. That company is cancer and many people treat them worse than activision or ea. And that means a lot, but taketwo interactive doesn't literally care, they even sued their nomination out of the top 10 2020 bad video game companies.
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” - George R.R. Martin
chitbong it’s not the characters we’re mad about, it’s how they are forcing them down our throats in a already established video game universe with characters we already care about and are attached to. i would have been fine playing as a gay ellie, but being forced to watch as a transgender woman who i barely know beat my favourite character to death with a golf club after he has survived years of the apocalypse and people attempting to kill him, that’s where i draw the line.
That is the reason why i'm against diversity in media, not because I don't want diversity, but because the media can't write characters with any subtlety anymore. Oh If they are gay that IS their personality. Remember when the most important thing about Luke Skywalker was the fact he is straight? me neither. A character who is interesting and also happens to be gay is one thing, but a character who is gay and only gay is about as interesting as a block of wood. a gay block of wood.
“hey I’m gay and not straight cool right that’s pretty much all there is to me.” I hate so many fucking standpoints where being anything but straight is a focal point of something, even someone’s life, like it’s a fucking accomplishment as someone said. Congrats. You found your place in life. Doesn’t mean that should be what affects entire discussions or media.
As if the whole LGBT narrative even survives or is relevant in an apocalyptic scenario. P sure humans rights stop existing after the zero hour. What a clown of a game
its amazing how the first (and maybe only) person to be immune to the zombie virus is a person that wont create any offspring that could potentionally have a high chance of inhereting whatever it is that made them immune.
Ironically, Japanese media has the most good representation of strong female characters precisely BECAUSE they don't care about all that agenda-pushing crap. They just make women powerful because it's cool or it makes sense, or both. Just look at a similar-ish event in Hunter X Hunter: a character is depicted as being an absolute beast. He's one of the strongest people in the world and our protagonists follow him in hostile territory. But just as they get close to the ennemy base, an unbelievably powerful ennemy attacks them and that powerful man gets abolutely annihilated and right after that, at the end of the episode, you see her with the man's severed head on her lap and she down right says "Hmmm... I might be a bit too powerful, haha" I don't remember people bitching about that ennemy being female, because it made sense for her to be this powerful in universe. I also remember when some journalist asked Yoko Taro why 2B was a sexy french maid and he answered "I just really like girls". And in the game she is never overly sexualised, she's just a damn good character. People that stop at how she looks to dismiss the entire character (and the entire game for some) are the close-minded ones in my book. It doesn't matter what the character is, just how it appears to be... It's about artificial representation, not about doing justice to those female characters. I don't remember people getting mad at Horizon Zero Dawn for having a female protagonist. And for me is proof that gamers don't care about the gender of their heroes.
That's one of the reasons I don't mind spoilers. These days, I'd rather be forwarned and save myself the waste of money if it turns out to be another agenda driven piece of garbage.
I love this channel a lot. During one of my corporate meetings I unintentionally said "That's all I've got for today" and then restrained myself from saying "go away now"
I really hope all the people hating on it I just doing it for Internet points and not because it’s actually a bad story, i’m sure there’s some people who you think it is just a bad story but I feel like the majority is just hating on it because everyone is. Maybe it’s being drowned out by the hate comments but I haven’t seen a single positive comment from someone who seen the spoilers.
@@Skinned_fried_n_cut_up_potato I genuinely think it is going to be a bad story. I love the first Last of Us, it was like the first proper video game I played, but (if the leaks are true) they seem to sideline the important characters and alienate the original audience, disregard and disrespect the first game all in the name of 'girl power.'
"Your customers don't want this" ... He knows this, dear Drinker. He knows this all too well. The problem is he doesn't want his customers, he wants new and diverse customers. Customers who probably aren't even interested in computer games since they're completely preoccupied with their own identity and social acceptance.
I want to see them try and survive on the revenue from that minuscule 'target' market. Methinks he spends too much time on the Twitter circle-jerk and actually thinks it's an accurate depiction of the population.
@@ipanesm It is. Thx. Shrugged off until becoming a hack writer later in life and damn! The work there vs reality. Our world script today is so far beyond absurd noone WOULD believe w/o witness. Stand by!
I even tweeted her thanking for her work on uncharted. I AM A HALO FAN! LOL. Loved Last of us 1. 2 is ruined. Wont even bother with it. Rather wait for Cyberpunk 2077 and Halo Infinite.
Isn't it funny how much we loved Ellie because she was a strong character and now we will hate her because some SJW writer will try to maker her a strong FEMALE character?
That just proves that SJWs can't write shit, but we all knew that... Hell, just look at Marvel. They were busier writing angry tweets than writing comics, and now they're surprised that they don't have any money left.
@@DonVigaDeFierro can't expect writing ability from people so creatively bankrupt the only way they can actually send their message is hijacking franchises and pumping them full of blatant pandering and preaching, can we?
what nonsense are you spouting here. Nobody is taking issue at Ellie being a strong character or even if they made ellie the main protagonist of the 2nd game ( which they didn't). go virtue signal somewhere else u turd.
Still one of the best videos on The Last Of Us Part 2. It takes what was a long, agonizing nightmare for fans and turns it into a digestible, bittersweet story that anybody can understand.
Ellie becoming the main protaginist was a natural progresssion from the original game. This was set up by the aging Joel teaching Ellie everything he knows and playing as Ellie in the third act.
@@MajorBubbled agreed was an inevitable shift for the second game, also makes sense he would die in the next game pretty obvious way to create motivation for Ellie to do something (although it's shocking you won't see what that ends up being till part 3)
@Cure4Living isn't it funny that these people never heard of the Streisand effect, especially since Barbara Streisand used to be a favorite of the LGBT+
Hell man, me not being a big gamer i thought the whole thing was satire until i googled naughty dog and found out it's a real company. that was in the last half of the video
Remember when naughty dog use to known for games like crash bandicoot and jak and daxter? Those were to good days... now they're known for this mess...
Daniel B my guy this is what is called ignorance they portrayed her as gay for a very long time but you still wanna 14 year to grow up forget her lesbian self and get married in a zombie apocalypse ? You are crusty as fuck Joel is a terrible person you all should have seen a depressing outcome happening
Moonlit Eyes Who would’ve seen this coming? Tell me can we fucking predict the future? Also no one fucking said they were ignoring the sexuality of Ellie which was NEVER addressed. Who gives a fuck if someone is just saying she found a guy and had kids with them, because they probably don’t know if she is lesbian and if they knew it’s still a simple statement. And how is Joel a bad person? Oh because he kills people! Who would’ve thought that you have to kill in a apocalypse. And who would’ve knew that the entire story of The Last Of Us is about Ellie and Joel’s relationship and not what Joel did before they meet.
@@cybernerdcreations4475 bruh, he massacred the Fireflies and doomed humanity to be without of cure for the infection because he saw Ellie as his surrogate daughter. He, at the very least, is even more selfish than the Fireflies leader. Joel would at least, thematically die, for his lie to Ellie. Anyways, I'll be cautiously optimistic about the story. The Naughty Dog dev posted a vid about how he himself cried towards the story and I personally am somehow able to enjoy "trash" more easily than other people so eh.
Exultant Blade in the game they said that it was far from guaranteed they could get a cure from Ellie IIRC; there were others before her who died for nothing
"So what if you are actually forcing an actual real woman out of her job in video games while claiming to champion fictional women in video games" This is a perfect hit, you are a true sniper, sir! So true, it hurts.
Been a fan of Hennig since I was a kid. The Soul Reaver series is magical to me. When I learned about the real reason Hennig was let go from Naughty Dog - because the company made am official, private declaration among staff that they're going to push Left-wing politics in their games and Hennig objected to this - it made me hate Neil Cuckman and love Amy Hennig even more.
The story was pretty kick-ass though if you don't go into it with a chip on your shoulder or blaming external factors for your romantic endeavours. But I digress. Maybe it was the right executive decision to restructure the writing team?
@@phattjohnson The story relies a lot more heavily on convenient contrivances than TLOU1's did, leaning more heavily on trying very hard to do things rather than the execution of said things. It very much seems like a lot of the writing team who were skilled at making more organic development have left, and that really kills the experience for all the folks who pick up on the blatant railroading. There's a reason TLOU1 is universally praised as a masterpiece, but TLOU2 will go down as something very divisive, even after factoring out all the straight up bigotry.
Ye ellie was a fun determined kid, now they've just turned her into a bland powerful lesbian female with fuck all personality, its not like she was stuck in the wild the entire time, she should be more like a female Nathan drake maybe a lil bit more serious ygm.
What are you on about mate? I saw a scene in a trailer where 2 women kiss... Up until the leaks I still held that it would be worth a purchase. Also eat my shorts.
I checked the hypothetical RU-vid channel where crazy ladies share their ideas. It was so hypothetically hilarious to find out that the comment section is closed, and the like/dislike ratio is not at their favor.
@@tmerchead1 if it wasn't real footage and real info then Sony wouldn't be abusing the copyright Strikes like crazy to try and hush it up. Yet again... Sony has sprung a leak and its sinking like the Titanic. 🤦♂️
Dame dude. It's like you were there with them. Watching them and then reading their diary whilst they slept. Ironically, you could make a good game out of that story.
I think Joel might have been a little too relatable. I didnt think the first one was all that great, but I think a lot of the positive word of mouth was from middle aged white guys pretending it was a daughter simulator, and were all weepy and mawkish about the game b/c of that.
@@pete3011 IMO it's an interesting story with 2 good characters. But the gameplay is god awefull,like all ND games. In short a good but highly overrated game,like all ND games.
Unlikely, she doesn't even allow comments on her videos because "harassment" I doubt she'll watch a video that is openly critical of her, even if her name isn't explicitly stated.
“Imagine you’re a developer” Well I don’t have to imagine that part… “working for a successful game development company” I would rather be running the company but either way _I wish_
@@arnowisp6244 Imagine someone doing just that and ending up with huge resources and releasing big hit games made with no SJWs in sight. Sony and Druckman a.k.a. Cuckman would be pissed :D
Uncharted 4 was pretty disappointing because of how OP Nadine was. The story was decent, the characters were believable, and it still had the charm of the Uncharted series, mainly due to Nathan being the main character still. But whenever I go up against Nadine, you pretty much never get a good hit in because she’s too good of a fighter. I can’t remember getting a single solid hit in because she would either dodge or counter, making Nathan seem like an incompetent hipster fresh out of Starbucks. Nathan Drake, the person who found El Dorado, fought mutated cave goblins, survived being shot in the stomach and climbing a train hanging off a mountain, and immediately plowing through dozens on heavily armed militia, found the lost city of Shambala, followed by fighting a bunch of blue Hulks in loin clothes armed with almost insta kill crossbows and exploding sling ammo, followed by fighting a equally hulked out, highly trained war criminal in a burning tree house, AND THEN fought what’s basically the English Illuminati to find what’s essentially liquid fear gas from The Dark Knight. Oh, while he was also hopped up on said liquid fear gas. But no, he’s obviously no match for this lady whom we’ve never seen before and is completely ineffective compared to. And what twists the knife a little more is that she gets to go on her own big adventure as on of the main characters along with Chloe. And don’t get me wrong, the game was fairly decent, had a good story to follow along, and the history it went through was pretty interesting, but it fell short because Nate wasn’t in it. Nathan supplied a lot of the charm in the games, that was simply lost in The Lost Legacy. No one can replace Nate. Not even Chloe, and ESPECIALLY not Nadine.
I agree ; Uncharted 4 made Nathan a weaker character. as if being a regular person, married etc had changed him too much. the Drake bros were able to cut their way through swarms of mercenaries but couldn't beat their female boss in a fist fight?? i played the Lost Legacy and found it ok, but no more and certainly no replay value. i traded game after one playthrough . having Sam Drake as comedy value later in game didn't do anything for it. it was plainly meant to be a girl's adventure.. :P
She doesn't out power Nate, she's just faster and more skilled, landing a bunch of little shots that add up. Her singular shots don't mean much, she kicks him full force in the head and it only staggers him. She wins based on technique, speed, angles, leverage, holds and what not. He's an older slower brawler, she's a younger faster trained mercenary. In the Lost Legacy, when she's fighting a bigger, stronger, and equally trained soldier...her and Chloe together get their asses kicked (2 on 1).
“..dismissing negative fan feedback and warnings about the detrimental impact of your writing choices, as if they’re not capable of finding fault with your work.” Bruh... 😃😆😂
