so i'm finally getting round to doing this method of breeding to get any last shinies i need from gen 1 and 2 but i've got a question. i've got the 'shiny' ekans and stantler in there just fine but can i put in a 'shiny' F stantler with a M stantler and have the best odds or does it have to be 2 different parents? having 2 stantlers is just gonna produce eggs faster
Just repeating for the people that need more clarification. The female ekans that hatches from the shiny gyarados parent and mama ekans do not need to be a shiny Ekans to pass the shiny gene.
Does this mean that say a “shiny gene” (not actually shiny” Pokémon can breed with a regular ditto and have the same chances as a shiny ditto? Since the “shiny gene” Pokémon can have any gender and still be shiny while breeding with a ditto. Roles reversed
@@iceylo7448 A shiny gene ekans and a regular ditto will have 1/128 odds, the 1/64 that shiny ditto provides is because that ditto has the shiny gene, the offspring needs to be opposite gender of the parent that HAS the shiny gene, so if a gendered ekans has the gene, gender matters
@@jimmboby990 it's probably possible to do using calculators on the internet, but without pkhex or something, it's probably impossible to know for sure other than remembering that that was the offspring of the shiny.
Important note for Pokemon Gold players: I'm pretty sure wild Ekans cannot be found in Johto in Pokemon Gold, and only in Silver and Crystal. However, you can buy as many Ekans as you want from Goldenrod Game Corner, which act just like a freshly caught Ekans and have a random gender. You can save before buying one and just reset and try again if the Ekans you bought is the wrong gender. It will cost a lot for the 700 Game Coins you need but it seems to work.
It's been about a year since I sought to get a shiny Eevee with this method, and I finally got one today on the 39th egg. Thank you so much, this method was very helpful and interesting to try out
I’m having quite a bit of trouble doing this method to get Eevee. Did you get a female Eevee carrying the Shiny Gene (not exactly shiny) and breed it with a PKMN of the same egg group to get a male Shiny Eevee? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance🙏
@@davidthegenwunner6456 Sure thing! I got a female Eevee carrying the shiny gene and breeded it with a male Eevee to make eggs faster. You can breed Eevee with any other field egg group pokemon but that's up to you, but if you use another Eevee make sure it's not closely related to your female eevee
@@sonicboom3269 thanks for the timely response! Last thing, what are the odds of receiving a Shiny Male Eevee, considering the male to female ratio is 87.5% male and 12.5% female?Thanks again man!
@@davidthegenwunner6456 I'm not 100% sure on this, someone can correct me, but I think there's a 1/64 chance for a male shiny Eevee using a female Eevee with the shiny gene. Hope this helps!
@@sonicboom3269 thanks man! By the way I got after 164 egg hatches today so no worries haha. My luck has been bad with these but I finally got it so that’s all that matters😊
This was EXTREMELY helpful! As a visual person, I have a super hard time understanding all these notes, and text-based charts, but your graphics were so helpful! Whenever we strategise Pokemon, hubby and I have to work together to handle different parts of it we're good at, but this makes both our lives so much easier! Especially now that we're trying to play ALL of the old games and port them over to Bank/Home and resetting those games and doing it again for version exclusives before it's too late to do so!
The reason I like this method over the Mesuda method even though it is far more time indusive is the feeling of having actually properly breeding shinies compared to just a lothrithmic code, though I’m curious how introducing more shinies into the chain could potentially effect outcomes and probabilities. Also key feature is reading step ratios.
I already gave up on my quest of finding the shiny Ditto in Pokémon Gold. After 3 to 4 days of 8 hour sessions of looking for the shiny Ditto I tried the Shiny Gyarados and female Ekans breeding. However after that method gave me a box full of non shiny Ekans I gave up. I agree with you that you should not shiny hunt in these games. When I was trying to find videos on how to catch a shiny Ditto there were only videos on how to do the Ditto glitch. So I am glad you made this video and that it exists. So thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Had to re check my shiny genes pokemon as I didn't think I had it right. Was playing around with some Ekans eggs and got an actual shiny on number 5! Dude you are a legend. Time to hunt for shiny Mareep!
Very informative and awesome video. I started to breed my shiny male gyarados with my female dragonite at 22:31 play time. Now I’m at 176:44 and both of them are level 100 in the daycare. They were 45 and 61 when I put them in. Spent this entire time hatching dratini eggs. Will be well worth it once I finally get a shiny one...eventually
While I planned things out before watching this video, I plan to use the same method you are describing to get a shiny Eevee. Of course Shiny Female Eevee don't exist in Gen 2, but they can still carry the gene. Of course with Eevee's higher male ratio, that will be more difficult. It's worth noting that the DVs that comprise the shiny gene in a Pokémon are 10 Defense DVs and 2 or 10 Special DVs. The reason why the DVs being 2 can also result in a carrier offspring is because when a Pokémon egg is generated, the Special DVs can be two different DVs with the same modulo to 8. Finding a gene carrier in the wild is about 1 out of 128 as well, not taking into accounting that wild battles probably use certain generation methods that might limit DV spreads.
Man I wish I’d known this yearsss ago when I played crystal on my gba. My internal battery is dead on my game cartridge. But this was great information! I have the crystal emulator on my tablet. Thank you!
Love this video Steve! very informative, easy to understand, and follow. Fortunately, I already have a male shiny Ekans from the game corner in VC Gold. Im going to take that shiny male ekans and breed for a shiny Miltank and Female Snubbull! Thanks!
This is one of the best tutorials I’ve seen for this. Makes a lot of sense how you explained it, thanks for making the video, helps a lot. I’m not sure if it was mentioned in the video, but certain Pokemon have a 100% rate of being a certain gender (such as Tauros being male or Blissey female), if you manage to get a shiny Tauros then you can get a guaranteed male, with a high shiny chance.
Thank you! As for the male stuff, I briefly covered that with Jynx being "easier" to get due to only being female, but gender rules in Gen 2 are very similar to current games. For example, only way to get more Tauros would be to use a Ditto. Should have spent an extra minute on that though!
@@PKMNcast you are right about that, I should’ve thought about it a bit more. Shame that Ditto is only the only Pokemon you can use to get male exclusives. I wasn’t positive if it was possible to get with boosted odds or not, but I thought I’d bring it up.
This was great information and easy to watch all the way through. Good content! I play GSC on my 3ds more than anything so I'll definitely spend sometime figuring this out!
For anyone copming to this late, you can also try to start with a shiny pokemon from the Odd Egg. Its only in crystal, but that egg has a 14% chance of producing a shiny and can be a good early game option and might require less passthroughs. And if youre trying to shiny hunt that egg remember to save before you retrieve the egg.
I used this to make my own breeding chain from the shiny Gyrados to female Ekans to male Nidoran to female Chikorita to male Paras to female shiny Caterpie, which will be named Titanion. This was a productive use of my time.
I soft reset for a shiny Cyndaquil, which I got fairly quickly. I used that to get a shiny gene female Eevee, and now I’m trying to get a shiny Male Eevee, as due to how DV’s work, only male Eevees can be shiny. It should be a 1/64 chance because of Eevees 1/8 gender ratio.
For my pokemon crystal shinylocke, i started by soft resetting for a shiny cyndaquil, then when i headed to the daycare i caught all the pokemon that i needed and made sure they were the opposite gender of my cyndaquil (wich means female bc it's impossible to have a male shiny cyndaquil) and bred them with him wich made the eggs a 1/128 shiny chance... But it still took 4328 tries to get the cyndaquil
I recently learned that if you trade a shiny Gyarados to Gen 1 then teach it mimic, get a wild ditto to transform itself twice into the shiny gyarados after it used mimic on the wild ditto to learn transform, then the wild Dittos DVs get overwritten by the Shiny Gyarados DVs therefore making it shiny ditto when you trade it to Gen 2.
One thing I noticed about running up and down through the city, if you go down the path that leads into the grass like in this video, there are 2 NPCs that have a chance to move into your path, but if you move to the right side of the area and go up and down, there’s only that one female NPC that can get in your way, who usually looks to her right (rarely does she move that way) and moves up and down and to the left. You’re less likely to be stopped at the expense of fewer steps being taken.
@@PKMNcast i also tried to use the ekans and stantler breeding which you did! It actually worked! But the problem I didn't save it i forgotttt. It's so hard to breed stantler it rarely produced and egg hahaha. But yeah i know i can do ita gain because it actually happened on 91st egg! Thanks man you gave me motivation! I just saw you yesterday on my recommendation and i found out that you're the best speaking of breeding in gen 2 well explained!
finally i found a tutorial without the shiny ditto with a VC. I play on a emulator and this tutorial works very well, today i hatched a shiny ekans and a shiny vulpix :D
@@Lifelimit94 The chain starts with the red gyarados, It needs to be male. Then, breed that red gyarados with a female (in this case) ekans. The combination of a shiny male gyarados and a female ekans have a 1/128 chance of getting from a egg a shiny female ekans (If you dont want a shiny ekans, just breed the gyarados and the ekans until a normal female ekans hatches from the egg). Then, breed the female with a random male ekans to get a male ekans (It doesn't need to be shiny). Now you can use that male ekans to have a 1/128 chance to hatch any female shiny you want (It is the simple chain, theres more complicated chains in order to get to the other egg groups such as grass or bug
@@mikuriii1792 wait u are saying that after i hatch female ekand(not shiny) i have to catch male ekans to breed with female hatched ekans? Caue she was made of shiny gyarados, her blood is shiny aswell now?
So if I understand correctly, you don't need hatched pokemon to actually be shiny for them to carry the shiny gene? As long as they are the opposite gender of the shiny/shiny gene carring parent, they carry it aswell ? If I had to make an Ekans with the shiny gene from the shiny Gyrados, I can stop at the first female Ekans I get ?
Lots of ppl know about this glitch with ditto and shiny gyarados using the gen 1. But it is not that hard to get a legit Ditto with a "shiny DNA" without glitches, and then open your way to get any shiny version of species that can be bred with ditto, with that TRUE odd of 1/64 per hatch. All you have to do is: catch a ditto with a 10 Defense IV AND a 2 or 10 Special IV and it has the Shiny DNA! This is gonna take a while to explain this method, Srry 😆 To be sure of these IVs: you must catch it with certain stats and level up him AT DAY CARE (preventing it from getting EVs and is also faster. You can also use rare candies if you have) until reach certain levels and checking its stats at those levels. A ditto in order to have a shiny DNA must be caught with a combination of stats DEF/SPC: 16/15 OR 16/16 (at level 10). In order to check the SPC stat of 15, it MUST get +1 at each level, until it reach level 50 (SPC 55 points), unfortunately we can only be sure of its IV being 2 at this point. If at any other level before level 51, the Ditto get a +2 to the SPC stat, it doesnt have the Shiny DNA. In order to check the stat with value of 16 (this check works the same way for both DEF and SPC stats), You only need to check the stat at two levels: at Lv12 it MUST BE 18 and at Lv13 it MUST get a +2, becoming 20. Then if thats true, you got the 10 IV. In short: If u caught a ditto: A) with 16/15 (def/spc) stats; B) got +1 spc till LV50; C) def was 18 at Lv12; and D) def was 20 at Lv13. YAY! You found a Shiny DNA Ditto. If u caught a ditto: A) with 16/16 (def/spc) stats; B) both stats were 18 at Lv12; and C) both stats were 20 at Lv13. YAY! You also found a Shiny DNA Ditto. In terms of practice, that was my experience until now: I got this Ditto with 10 DEF IV and 2 SPC IV in less than 40 attempts (cant remember the exact number). After that, using this Ditto, I bred: 1- a shiny totodile in less than 20 eggs. 2- two shinies chikorita in less than 15 eggs. (When hatched the first one, the second egg with a shiny inside was already created and in team hatching) 3- now Im trying cyndaquil, being hatched about 30 eggs.
Technically, you don’t need to go out and catch a fresh parent. A male Ekans for example will not be able to inherit the stats of Papa Garydos, so male born Ekans can be bred with the shiny gene female born Ekans to produce a new shiny gene male born Ekans.
super helpful guide and explainer on how breeding works -- trying to get a purple Charizard (playing on a emulator + used a GameShark to spawn Charmanders into the world). thanks man!
ok i had to play the video twice to understand this: you do NOT need a shiny female (daughter), it already has the shiny gen without showing. So i pretty much have to hatch a female (father with shiny genes) in order to keep the chain going.
"It takes 18 minutes to hatch an egg in Crystal" And here I am, watching and laughing maniacally with my 18 years old Crystal, Transfer Pak and fully completed file of Pokemon Stadium 2 playing at 2x speed. 🤣😈
I was wondering if this would be able to produce a shiny. I have a shiny female ekans that I breed with a random male ekans for a non shiny but shiny gene male ekans. After that I breed my shiny gene male ekans with a female vulpix for a non shiny shiny gene vulpix. After that I breed that vulpix with a random male vulpix for a male shiny gene vulpix , then I finally bread that with a female vulpix. (The reason I re breed the vulpix was so I had a higher chance of spawning eggs because when both of your Pokémon are breeding if they are both the same species eggs spawn quicker. ) can this produce a shiny?
It’s a little more tedious if you want egg move(s)… this is why I don’t want to breed to get leech seed on shiny chicorita because I have a full shiny DTQ team to breed up.
Let me see if I understood the logic here: If I wanted a shiny male stantler instead of a female, I could breed male shiny gyarados with a female ekans, get an offspring female ekans and breed her with a caught male ekans, get an offspring male ekans and breed him with a caught female stantler, get an offspring male stantler (which cannot be shiny but carries the gene) and breed it with a female stantler until I get a shiny male stantler?
About 20 years ago, when I was a kid, I played Pokémon Silver in Japanese, even though I don't speak the language (at the time I didn't even know English, as my first language is Portuguese, let alone Japanese! lol I still know nothing of Japanese, though) and with a bunch of notes where I drew the names of items, moves and other important stuff in Japanese as they showed in the game and then based on what each did after testing everything when taking notes, I wrote down in English (based on what I already knew from Pokémon Blue I had already beaten in English as well as the anime) and sometimes in Portuguese. Using these dozens of notes I made, I played through the game and on my first visit to Mt. Silver, on my way to challenge Red, I encountered my very first shiny of all time, a shiny Rapidash. I had no idea what shines were at the time. All I knew was that I had just found a strangely-colored Rapidash that I thought was maybe a bug. I caught it. Several years later I came to realize, once I learned about shinies, that the Rapidash I had caught was in fact a shiny Pokémon. Ever since then I've been longing to get either a shiny Ponyta or another shiny Rapidash on my English games but I never found one again. Even trying some breeding via the Masuda method on SoulSilver and X, a few years back, but to no avail. I am currently playing through Crystal again (been for a while, now) on the Virtual Console and emulator (I'm using the same save file from the 3DS on the emulator on the PC when I don't really feel like having the 3DS on or it is charging or I just want to quickly grind up for levels, so I can do that at fast speed on the emulator, but nothing else besides that) and ever since I made it to Mt. Silver on Crystal I have been trying to find a shiny Ponyta/Rapidash in the area. After finding this video today I gave this method a try on my copy of Crystal and to my luck, after about 20 years and only 15 Ponyta eggs (on this attempt. Previous attempts on other games went well beyond 300 eggs or more), I finally hatched a shiny Ponyta on the 16th egg! :D I shall now try this method with a few other of my favorite Pokémon, too. My shiny Japanese Rapidash is still alive in its Silver cartridge, by the way. I just don't know for how much longer the save battery in that thing will last. Once that dies, so will my very first shiny. :'( Thank you for putting this out there, my dude! I just finally realized a about 20 years old dream of having a shiny Ponyta/Rapidash on an American version of the games, as well.
I hatched a shiny ekans with this method! Also here is a fun fact! You can hunt for pokemon with 75 or 100% female gender rate, that way you can up your chances. 😎 Good luck!
Wow only if I knew this back then in the day, I use to always breed for egg moves so my Pokémon teams would have the moves I wanted on them. I remember I ran into a shiny magikarp in dragons den when fishing. I also did the gen 1 shiny ditto glitch and made my mew shiny.
Subscribed cause your videos are very helpful and I appreciate them a lot. After watching I encountered a random shiny female Nidoran and I was wondering if I breed it with a regular male will I have a chance on hatching either male or female Nidoran or will the possible shiny be only with the hatched females? Thank you
Been trying to hatch a shiny Squirtle with this method, but I'm about 80 eggs and a week in and I still don't have my shiny. What I'm wondering is, if you save before the old man is out in the yard, are you able to simply soft reset after every 5 eggs every time, or do you have to just keep hatching until you get a shiny? I would rather not deal with gen 2 box switching lol.
If you save you before old man leaves house, technically the DVs are rolled when he shows up, so that should work. If you save after he's standing there, the DVs are determined at that point, so it sounds like you are doing it correctly. Are you going for male Squirtle with a female carrying shiny gene or? Because remember, that Squirlte is more likely to be male, therefore you'd want a female to pass to newly born male Squirlte.
@@PKMNcast actually, because Squirtle has a 1/8th gender ratio, the way DVs work, only a male Squirtle can be shiny, so the female parent needs to be a shiny gene Squirtle.
I’m on the hunt for shiny pokemon from the generation of introduction. I use manips, I find the set up process fun, getting the last of gen 2 with this method after cute charming heart gold
Can a female eevee pass on/carry the shiny gene?? From what I understand, it is impossible to obtain a female shiny eevee in gen 2 due to the coding of female attack ivs. Despite this, is it still possible for a hatched female eevee to possess and be able to pass on the shiny gene to offspring?
You may already know that if a pokemon have the right iv in gen 1 gane and traded to a gen 2 game it will be a shiny pokemon. To get a shiny ditto easily is to trade your red gyradoss that you already have from gen 2 game to gen 1 game and once your red gyradoss is in gen 1 game, teach it mimic . Mimic can be learned from a TM. Then go to a wild battle with ditto. Use the move mimic and make sure your mimic hits first and your red gyradoss will learn transform. Then the ditto will use transform on you. Then use any random move on ditto (make sure it doesn't kill ditto ) also don't use mimic for the second time. As your gyradoss knows transform the ditto will use transform for the second time you just need to wait until it uses. Due to some glitch in gen 1 games when ditto uses transform for the second time it also coppies the iv of the opposite Pokemon permanently. Then go ahead and catch it and trade your ditto and gyradoss to gen 2 game and the ditto will be a shiny ditto.
Yes! You could put male Shiny Cyndaquil in daycare with any Field Egg group Female Pokemon and have a 1/128 chance of a female Pokemon coming from whomever you put in, so for example male Shiny Cyndaquil + female random Rattata = Shiny female Rattata baby!
can i breed for a male shiny? like say i take the male shiny gene ekans and breed it with a normal female cyndaquil, then i get a shiny gene female cyndaquil and breed that with a normal male cyndaquil. will the resulting male offspring have a chance to be shiny? thanks if you see this comment, also great video!
The 1 thing gen 2 offers that later games doesnt is the duplicated glitch. It may takr a little longer to get a shiny charmander in gen 2... but when i get 1. I can have as many as i want and they arent hacked so they will go to pokemon home and able to use in any game.
i personally can only recommend shiny breeding in g/s/c if you have a physical copy and have stadium 2 to both use oaks lab for checking eggs to make knowing you have a shiny easier and dodrio gb tower for speed up (if your willing to invest in a gba/gb rom / save dumper you can also use that and a hacked 3ds to get your pokemon into bank etc. easily
This method is pretty cool but you can get a "shiny" ditto relatively easily with out cheating. Catch a ditto and try to breed it with a shiny (for most people Gyarados from lake rage) if you have the message breeming with energy that means ditto has the shiny gene with out being shiny (most of the time it will have 16 in defense/ 15 or 16 in special attack / 15 or 16 special defense at level 10 where you meet it near the pansion). You roughly have 1/128 chance of finding the pseudo shiny ditto and it will give you a 1/64 odd for every single pokémon that can breed with ditto. Less cool but more efficient.
I'm playing Crystal version on an emulator for reference and have a question. Would your flowchart example work for getting better odds to hatch a shiny Eevee? Like for example could I start with the red Gyarados male and female Ekans to hatch a normal female Ekans. Then proceed using that hatched normal female Ekans with a newly caught normal male Ekans to breed for another normal male Ekans. Then, if I'm understanding the chain properly, use that hatched normal male Ekans with a female Eevee (from Bill) to get the better odds of a shiny? I want to try getting one for my let's play of crystal on here.
Going to copy and paste from another one for Eevee, but it should work as following: Put your current Eevee in daycare with a Ditto until you get a female Eevee. Then put Female Eevee in day with male Ekans carrying Shiny Gene. Gene will then pass to Female Eevee offspring from those two. Then take both out, put new Female Eevee in daycare (with shiny gene) with any male Field egg group Pokemon. Then that will pass Shinyness to any NEW Male Eevee being born.
So theoretically, we breed until we get the shiny female ekans, then breed eevee and ekans to get a shiny male eevee. Then you’d be able to breed eevee and the shiny eevee to get a shiny female eevee? That is if that’s how it works. I know this video is like a year old but I wanted to ask
I know mathematically we want to simplify fractions, but i feel like it'd be easier to get across if we started saying that Ditto/Genderless breeding is 2/128 (double of 1/128 for gendered)
Love the infographic! Makes me wish there was official symbols for egg-groups that would be visible in the game exactly like types are. It's such BS to me that the only actual info about egg-groups (for 7 generations of games now) is still just an NPC that tells you "uh, these might not be similar enough lmao" in the most indirect way possible. (also, I WAS HERE, cause the stream happened to be pretty early IIRC xD)
i am obsessed with nonbinary ditto, thank you for that wonderful image ran into a shiny drowzee the other day in crystal where you can get ditto... was not happy lol :|
