Catching in Gen 2 is hilariously BUSTED! 

From what I've read/witnessed, the apricorn balls in HGSS also apply directly to the Pokemon's catch rate, but caps it at 255. As such, the full bonus of many apricorn balls is not applied and there's plenty of situations where what should be guaranteed captures are anything but, like using a Level Ball on a Route 1 Pokemon with full health. What's more, no apricorn ball helps catching Pokemon with a catch rate of 255 already. I don't think this is unintended, but it's very interesting to me, personally.

I’m not wondering about that, I’m wondering about what drove you to *voice a NidokingxNidoking bit*

@@spaceperson741 wouldn't 255 be a guaranteed catch anyway?

@@renakunisaki Nope. It’s about 1/3 or 1/4-ish. Don’t remember exactly, but not guaranteed.

There was that bug where beldum was so heavy it rolled over the heavy ball to have a 0% chance in gen 7, but that was patched.

Solid advice in a Fire Gym.

You have to have all 6 members of your team learn Blizzard, then use strength on the first Sudowoodo to yank it out of the ground, jam Moltres into the now-empty hole, use a Burn Heal on Moltres, then have all 6 pokemon on your team use Blizzard in a single battle. Moltres will then evolve into a convoluted playground myth.

@@victoriousf.i.g.3311 fuck i think you killed me This is too stupid I need to turn into the stand notorious BIG

Considering that Nidoking gains Ground typing when evolving is quite fitting.

@@molassesman4066 tbf I also laughed as a kid 25 years ago when someone told me to talk to an old man in the 2nd city, then fly to the island and surf along the coast to find a thing that multiplies your items...

So the Moon Ball only works on Blaine, got it

@@grassfish01 "YOU BETTER HAVE MOON BALL"

Ingredients to make Burn Heal include (but are not limited to): Rawst Berry Extract Aloe Vera Disinfecting Agents And Moon Stone Powder.

It just evolved through sheer happiness when I touched it. What where you doing to it

That doesn't sound like the worst evolution ever. Maybe different heals make the Pokemon evolve differently.

I legit never used them at all. It was just too irritating trying to get them in the first place when Ultra Ball exists and can be purchased hundreds at a time. It is funny seeing that I was accidentally correct in not using them lol

This explains so much. I noticed the same thing.

OMG....i knew i wasnt the only one. Apricorn balls were SHIT

Fast balls were the only special balls anybody used iirc. Since it is hard to tell what's luck and what's intentional I never knew it was bogus. Then again I only ever caught one of them.

I used a master ball on shiny raikou, caught suicune on my third ultra ball...never got entei

Yeah, checking it against 4 items in the index doesn't sound difficult at all to code

@@a-s-greig I wonder if it was a space issue. Gen 2 notoriously had limited space on its cartridge until Satoru Iwata was brought on to optimize the code.

@@mystereoheart2579 Writing out the check "normally" wouldn't make any real difference. (In fact, it's probably a space saving, because you'd just read from a local table instead of using far calls to retrieve the evolution data from a different ROM bank.) It's just good design to check your existing data instead of duplicating it... if only they checked for the right value, too.

I imagine it future proofs it a bit and insulates it against evolution design changes.

​​@@LuminousLeadProbably the logical explanation, yes. Future-proofing is hard, but a LOT of things will go wrong in programming if you don't commit to it. Like, imagine if they had actually made a list of moon stone evolvers. Now what? They would need to change the list every single time a new moon stone evolver gets added, or possibly even removed. One pointer - at the moon stone evolution item itself - should take care of that. Just make sure that one pointer is actually correct.

The Moon Stone was already moved back in Spaceworld '97 too seemingly, and the Burn Heal takes its place in the index. So whoever added the Moon Ball's effect must not have been informed that it had been moved way back.

Or... Burn heals are made out of crushed up moon stones in gen 2! 😂

@@Oboromaru they’re sussy wussy imposters

wow! you said sussy! that’s so funny!

@@jazuqua Or maybe it was one of the first programmed items and they forgot to update it.

blaine needs to stop drugging up our pokemon

the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be..... unnatural

@@camharkness The dark side of the burn heal.

@@camharkness Is it possible to learn this power?

@@tedscheett9420 not from a jedi...

Just clone your master balls....

@@rightouskofi7861 ye.

@@rightouskofi7861 just remember that the game came out before internet was in every household, even then people found out of the glitch way later in the games life span

@@juovlaniga6869 No offense but I grew on an island of 5000 people in the population. If me and MANY of my friends knew I'm sure most people could find out.

@@juovlaniga6869 I mean I was on an island that's usually behind America with technology and I had internet since about 99 00 and my mom was just a substitute teacher..... internet wasn't that expensive did you grow up in those times ? How old are you?

Now it's got me wondering if there's a glitch method to actually evolve something by using a burn heal on it

@@hunter00143 no it's two different coding things. At least in my experience using ROM editors. I'm pretty sure each Pokemon is individually coded to have a specific trigger for its evolution. You would have to manually go in and change the code on each specific Pokemon you wanted to evolve that way.

It would have been fun if they'd had that as part of the gameplay though e.g.: Eevee used Burn Heal. Eevee is evolving into Glaceon.

apparently it was because gold and silver uses different hex values for items than red and blue, and burn heal’s hex number in gs was moon stone’s hex number in rb

@@HomeCookinMTG Correct. Their learnset table also includes their evolution method and its parameters, and no Pokémon has a Burn Heal as an evolution item.

ayyye alizee yeezy

Me too! Until I realized I was better off just throwing ultra balls bcs these fast balls are shit

I made myself a mean look golbat, to trap them. It didn't work

For some reason it worked for raikou

@@comics4556 that some reason is luck

So are you saying if you catch a Pokémon with a Moon Ball from Pokémon Gold VC, transfer to a newer generation and still doesn't show up? That's very dumb if you ask me.

@@nidohime6233 That's correct. All pokemon transferred from VC will be in a pokeball no matter the ball they were caught in.

@@nidohime6233 Yeah, the game just flat out doesn't save what ball they were caught in. It's just not in the data of Gen 2. So it just transfers as a standard Poke Ball.

Thats a shame the special balls look super cool

@@sikusher I mean, why would they, the throw animation sprite looks the same for all pokemon balls

I got curious and checked it out. The formular is pretty complicated. Summary is that it mostly works as intended, but they forgot to give the ultra ball it's (second) modifyer, so it's essentially worse than superball in most situations and the random number generation is also pretty faulty which makes the rates different than intended. A few highlights: - Safari Ball is essentially the same as a Ultra Ball, but that effectively makes it WORSE than a Pokeball- - The ball "missing" on legendaries is not really a special mechanic or something. It's just part of how the failure text is generated. Essentially, fail is fail though.

Good news, homie

Man I found a shiny Abra once outside the daycare center grass. It teleported after escaping the ball I I threw :(

@@Pocketjuju22 that's what shiny abras do, ruin your day

@@samueldubois6484 Fucking literally mon gars

Reminds me of when I found a shiny Skuntank in Gen 4 that used the move Memento immediately after breaking out of a Quick Ball.

Just cheat in masterballs, life is too short and time is too precious to waste pulling out your hair trying to lower HP without making the Pokemon faint.

@@alexandratheavenger3436 I mean, for the most part; catching Pokemon really isn't that hard to the point you can't just throw Ultra Balls at it and get it 90% of the time. It just takes patience. Not to mention, False Swipe is always a good option if you just want to easily catch Pokemon. Still, in Gen 1 only, the Master Ball method takes priority thanks to Missingno. In all Gens after that, I generally save it on the off chance I encounter either a Shiny that can explode, or a roamer Legendary.

@Mcheetah That's not what Quick Ball does. It only gets a boosted catch rate turn 1 - by turn 2 it's already normal. It also isn't affected by the Pokemon's speed.

Moon Ball looking up the item ID for Burn Heal instead of Moon Stone was likely the result of looking at the wrong table of item IDs, since Burn Heal in Gen 2 uses the same item ID Moon Stone used in Gen 1.

@@Kohchu I thought False Swipe wasn't introduced until Gen IV?🤔

Its just a ball of ducktape, mixed inside glue at this point

@Mcheetah I will say I feel this about the competitive meta. Like it's so interesting to me, and I really do hope Gen 1 formats that include more pokemon start taking off like OU has, because they're surprisingly compelling and very unique. I also like little cup which has a similar amount of jank, so I guess this makes sense. I'm not even really a genwunner or whatever, just interested in busted machanics, some of them IMO being fun changes like the crit formula (getting rewarded for speed and critical hits is kinda like a dexterity stat, and the DnD player in me loves that for some reason). Yeah, psychic types really should have better counters, but other then that I enjoy the meta thoroughly. Especially with pokemon like Poliwrath who provide such an interesting blend of good and bad traits competitively.

@Mcheetah I completely agree with this

Yes.

So you want a video that's 20 hours long? 😅

Gen 2 was one of my favorites a couple months ago found a copy of gold for $60 and my gf had a blue game boy advanced soo. I’ve been playing for nostalgia.

@@johnnoreau3570 Nice mate!

What's sperging ?

@@nehemiasvalentin strongly obsessing over. It's in reference to Asperger Syndrome, a type of autism, for which one of the most notable signs is an extreme or very strong interest or attachment to a particular subject or hobby. This often results in them knowing just about everything there is to know about a subject, and people with Asperger's often find success as experts in their field. I have it, and my focus is video game design, which brought me here, because I love learning stuff like this.

@@Meandmyshadowclones That is very interesting. I didn't know that what it was called because I also have that intense desire sadly it's not with something that it profitable in any way but i have it.

@@lightyagami3492 eh, profitable or not, if it brings you joy, go for it.

@@Meandmyshadowclones That is true and yes i do go for it :)

what

tbh it'd probs have been better to use a gender flag that goes up to 3 (3rd would be unknown gender, but since we need a default value for the flag 0 would equal gender 1, 1=gender 2, and 2=gender 3), check if the pokemon is a list of gender-locked exception pokemon (like nidorina/nidorino) then check if the gender is not equal in value to your own (since we filtered out gender 3 at the start). If check 1 fails and the gender is actually gender 3 (unknown), then it might default to some other behavior instead.

Ayo?

Hey man, love is love

Probably make it egg-group locled instead of species locked, since the intent is to use it for pokemon your current one can breed with, then just include an exception for ditto, who can breed with everything.

Thankfully, you won't have to wait long for the Gen 1 video :')

I think the catch rate can only IMPROVE if it is calculated since I can't think of a negative factor going into it

@@shanerpressley Yes. "Bypassing the catch rate" is never useful.

Doesn't the Master Ball bypass the catch rate?

@@SeanWheeler100 no, it has a 255x multiplier iirc, which in practice is a distinction without a difference because it always results in a 100% catch rate.

@@ryangallagher9723 Yeah, it maxes out the chances so that it captures successfully no matter what, so in a way it bypasses all catch rates.

What....no offense to the maker, but it's really not. Most of the video is static screens.

It's a powerpoint, but it's put together and presented very well.

@@charliecarrot Yes, not what I would consider insane production value.

@@Jotari Agreed. I think the commenter was more impressed with the amount of information and work put into this video, but production value isn't the thing to praise.

@@charliecarrot I have a feeling it could be a bot. I've seen quite a few comments recently in general praising production values on RU-vid.

but it IS a tangible pokemon

Now I think there's a tangelo with eyes wrapped up in those vines

He fucks up the pronunciation of Ho-oh and Azalea Town too

Dang bruh since your comment 11 days ago he's now at several thousand lol

@@tb8654 that is crazy. I didn't even notice that, until your comment 0.0 Glad he finally gets the attention he deserves!

In fairness, paralysis at least helps the Pokémon you have out survive longer and slows your target from running out of PP.

@I don't fist bump people like you. He overreacted about COPPA to an outrageous amount. Does he know he can come back now?!

Turns out Pokemon games have always been broken and GF are just really shitty coders. It only truly bit them in the ass in the 3D era because of the exponential workload increase their inefficiency causes.

@@cornparade6874 Oh?

​@@Cool_Kid95 even past the buggy days of the first 2 pokemon gens, gf have always been shitty, inefficient coders. a lot of people started complaining about graphical/bug issues in pokemon during the switch era, but the signs have always been there. the clearest example are the legendarily slow gen 4 games. you might've seen memes about gen 4 health bars scrolling really slowly compared to other gens. this happens because the gen 4 games only decrease hp by one point every frame for some godforsaken reason. pokemon games have always had poor optimizations like this. gf got away with it in the past because they were working on handheld systems that already had limiting hardware, but that's no longer the case. the switch era isn't a period of unprecedented laziness for gf like some people believe, it's just that the switch has dramatically better specs than what gf have been working with since the creation of pokemon, and that makes their failure to fully take advantage of their hardware's potential much more apparent.

@@Cool_Kid95 is that why he disappeared??

Another funfact: It was completely impossible to catch Beldum or the Tapu with a Heavy Ball in SM, as the calculation incorrectly reduces their catch rate to 0 instead of 1.

Well... That's because I made a website :'] Glad to know you are enjoying the video!

_Thank you!_ I knew I couldn't be the only one wanting to point this out!

@@TekkenGirl4Lyfe is really a lovely video and I hate putting a damper on nice things. I just think it takes away from a video when things are mispronounced. And I'm not talking differing dialects or cultural differences, but full-on incorrect. It's just distracting, that's all. We knew what he meant so it doesn't really change much, but I haaad to say it

Apart of what there say in the description most Johto balls where badly implemented because the where fewer code writers at the time and since programmes where much more obtuse to use it was easier to have an oversight.

Well, I'm sure there is, as people have made ROM hacks in the past, but I do not know how to do it myself. Happy to learn you have enjoyed the videos :') I might do a video on catching mechanics in Gen 1 later on if there is any interest, but for now I'm focusing on the Gen 2 Living Dex journey.

Yeah, it's amazing especially once your team is really higher and you're trying to catch the Pokemon in Kanto or just waited till later for anything.