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@mrAPchem
@mrAPchem 3 дня назад
I made a video on this a few weeks ago!!! Here's what Sub absolutely needs: a.) 25-30 frame Ice Ball - so that it can combo from strings and be used in the neutral b.) 25-30 frame cooldown on Klone - so that it can still be punished on a read, but not on reaction c.) remove gaps on 122 and 21 strings - needs no explanation d.) improved damage scaling - needs no explanation I haven't yet finished the video, so you might have already said these things, but these changes will make him much better without taking him over the top like Scorpion/Ferra. EDIT: You literally listed ALL of my changes!!!!!! Hell, you were more aggressive with your changes than I was!!! A 20-frame Ice Ball would be loony!!!! I'd take it though.
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
I want sub zero to be a space control demon! So yes I’m tripping a bit, but hey there has been more broken moves on much better characters, so at this point it seems fair to me 😅
@lsmvandermeulen6154
@lsmvandermeulen6154 3 дня назад
@@mrAPchem BF amp should also become either safe on block or get something entirely different. It's one of the most useless amplified options in the game
@mrAPchem
@mrAPchem 3 дня назад
@@lsmvandermeulen6154 Yes indeed!!! That move is literally the most useless amp move in the game. It should be plus on Block or something else altogether.
@mrAPchem
@mrAPchem 3 дня назад
@@MAKEOUTtEEJ Considering how stupid characters like Kenshi, Sindel, Reiko, Tanya and many others have been allowed to be, I am inclined to agree. The only thing I worry about is if he gets too much, people will whine about him until he gets nerfed again because he's so polarizing. Thus, I'm only asking for moderate changes - to ensure that even if he becomes good, there are objective weaknesses to every strategy that he might employ.
@ElPatronPedroL
@ElPatronPedroL 4 дня назад
Sub Zero is my best character and even I don’t know why type of character he is but I just love his moveset. One of my big problems with is sub how slow the ice ball is. And the man doesn’t have 50/50s that pretty much every character has. When Scorpion got buffed I expected Sub to get the same treatment 😭
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 4 дня назад
@@ElPatronPedroL yeah I don’t see how you have scorpion high tier through buffs and just leave sub high and dry 🥲
@shaqawan2801
@shaqawan2801 4 дня назад
Smh you don't need 50 50's tp be strong. Look at tanya for example
@ralphwarom2514
@ralphwarom2514 3 дня назад
I dont even main sub zero but I noticed this wierd property of some strings just not comboing on multiple characters. Honestly they just need to remove some of these restrictions. THey are pointless.
@ElPatronPedroL
@ElPatronPedroL 3 дня назад
@@ralphwarom2514 he honestly only has two strings to start combos because spine tap is not reliable. Now if spine tap broke armor then I’d say he doesn’t need anything else.
@meatroid5376
@meatroid5376 3 дня назад
Here’s a good buff (this is just a bug fix) I would like to give to Sub-Zero. There is an odd bug where in the gear section some of Sub’s masks either don’t change from the other versions or they don’t match the image of the mask in the mask options. This bug was added in the game when Takeda released. Hopefully NRS will fix this on Khaos Reigns’s release.
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
They just don’t treat Bi Han right bro, he’s got almost as many bugs as Homelander
@danielkay6266
@danielkay6266 3 дня назад
There are a hundred ways to buff sub. If they did the bare minimum and reverted his scaling back to or close to the beta, people would stop complaining. He was regularly doing like liu Kang damage. The only thing they needed to do after beta was the ice clone nerf. It used to be like 3 seconds but it was too much, every poke they clone, they'd zone you out with clone and spam projectiles, xombat and ninja complained HEAVY about it during beta and I think that's why it was nerfed. It was unfair tho cuz none of the beta could tele and the cameos in beta were mid so there was no way around it
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
Yeah I think his damage being reverted to beta would be a little bit too much of a buff, I think it needs to be fixed a bit tho. Just make him a counter zoner by buffing ice ball and ice klone
@MrSpade-eu3en
@MrSpade-eu3en 3 дня назад
I’ve mained sub since day one, he simply needs a faster mid (14-12 frames), a faster start up on slide, either keep the clone at a 5 (or even 6) second delay after use but make recovery close to plus or make clone delay 2-3 sec and tweak the recovery just enough to be safe. Ice punch should go full screen or make it clash with projectile again. (major one) Ice ball need to be faster and connect off normal strings, ground freeze intern can have a slower startup but have a much longer freeze. His damage scaling doesn’t even need to be tweaked much but ice dive needs the scaling toned down a lot.
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
These are all valid, most consistently seeing changes to ice klone recovery and ice ball buff which I hope gets fixed
@Ljubavvv
@Ljubavvv 3 дня назад
Just came across your channel, and I gotta say your really remind me of Jev. Very chill, no loud shit, just talking about the topic. Very nice.
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
I appreciate it man, he’s one of my big inspirations man. He’s the goat🔥
@fentanylmcflurry5633
@fentanylmcflurry5633 3 дня назад
as a sub zero player i agree he needs some kind of buffs, deadly vapors and changing his scaling on freeze will just bring him back to op like the beta tho. ice clones should be better somehow . should be able to special cancel/combo with ice ball and maybe make some of his strings just a bit harder to react to, in my opinion
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
I think his damage on ground freeze needs fixed, his damage doesn’t have to be insane like beta, IF he is given the tools to be a counter zoner/space control expert
@fentanylmcflurry5633
@fentanylmcflurry5633 3 дня назад
I feel he already is pretty decent at controlling space if you use the ice clone right but the ice clone has too many flaws at the moment I'll give you that tho, he could use a SLIGHT damage buff for using vapor However, I prefer using the ice slam with my bar anyway. Lots of sub players do, maybe that's out of necessity tho
@fentanylmcflurry5633
@fentanylmcflurry5633 3 дня назад
They added new moves to havik so maybe they'll add new moves to sub, that would be nice
@danielkay6266
@danielkay6266 3 дня назад
Imo sub buffs should be: Mid from 14 to 12 frames(optional) (Mandatory)Keep clone at 5 sec cool down but buff recovery so he can block attacks after BUT can still be punished if enemy reads a clone coming and armors to hit sub before he touches the ground. Revert scaling to NEARLY where it was in beta. I would love the damage but they were not doing optimals and were still getting close to 400 or more. If ex clone cost 2 bars, make it break max 3 armor hit, it seems broken but if you are patient sub will waste 2 bars and you just gotta wait or throw projectile. If you're impatient and armor on wakeup you should be punished only because sub had to read wake up and decide to use 2 bars. Speed up ice ball. Close all 2 hit gaps, it should be like the rest of the cast. Most importantly, his back 2 needs to be special cancellable like scorps back 3. On reaction you can clone out if not hit since it take 3 and half minutes to startup. Then obviously speed up his slide. I'm fine with how fast it goes, but the start up takes too long, I wanna be able to read or see a projectile and slide under it without catching a fireball to the face. This would make him a keep away character, still not good enough to rush down BUT if you are impatient and bum rush him it will cost you. With bi han being such a bad ass I wish he could have been more aggressive but I don't think there's anything they can do
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
This is very solid, I agree the mid should be sped up, and also i know sometimes it has an issue getting low profiled which makes zero sense
@fentanylmcflurry5633
@fentanylmcflurry5633 3 дня назад
i personally enjoy b2 into slide cancel but b2 into clone def needs help
@Somebody-mn8ip
@Somebody-mn8ip 3 дня назад
I think a better buff for b2 would be a Kara cancel like rain. Also ex clone costs 1 bar not 2 if you press block after the ice clone input and not with it
@Death-gv1lg
@Death-gv1lg 3 дня назад
Been maining him since day 1 hearing people complain about him just because I’m better 😭😭. The amount of times the devs have baited me into thinking he’ll get buffs is crazy, I’ve suffered with him enough I’m hopping on that noob saibot train.
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
I hope NRS doesn’t really just say well now you have noob so he is the buff, that’d be the biggest let down of the entire DLC
@payday1762
@payday1762 4 дня назад
Awesome vid bro🔥 I agree with all the buff suggestions, my boy Sub needs to be redeemed in this game. Honestly feels like when you play Sub your handicapping yourself on online .
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 4 дня назад
@@payday1762 deadass! It feels like a challenge to play with him online, like I’m playing blindfolded or with drunk goggles🤣🔥
@tommasomoreale9467
@tommasomoreale9467 3 дня назад
Noob is going to be the buffed Bi-Han 😈😈😈
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
😂😂😂 that’s not good enough for me brother lol
@isctaylor109
@isctaylor109 4 дня назад
You gotta make a vid on Quan Chi needing buffs too: He has a 9 frame down one. ALL of his strings have gaps. His main launcher costs TWO bars of meter. He has the LOWEST health pool in the game. He doesn't have a mid that starts combos. His portal setups are very meter dependent. If you had to play in a tournament for money, would you pick Quan or Sub? Be honest.
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 4 дня назад
I’d pick Quan, not only because I’m better with Quan myself but I think he has a clear cut identity and game plan where Sub lacks identity.
@iamb0nk3rs
@iamb0nk3rs 3 дня назад
This Quans health means he needs to have breaker ready But to use his portals to the best of their abilities, you have to meterdump
@blackroseA7X16
@blackroseA7X16 3 дня назад
How to buff Subzero? Turn him into a noob...
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
Please bro. We need serious buffs lmao 😂
@lsmvandermeulen6154
@lsmvandermeulen6154 3 дня назад
Sub was perfectly fine in the beta, yet he was the only one to receive major nerfs, even though he was arguably still the worst character in the beta. It doesn't really make much sense. Very slow iceball, BF2 amp which exist for no reason since it doesnt do anything that the regular ice clone can't, DF4 buff only being good in the corner, gaps in almost all of his strings, F12 that got nerfed to 15f and still gets low profiled. He's a mess of a charachter. He should get some major buffs on almost all that I mentioned.
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
Yes they need to bring him to high tier just how they did for Scorpion, he’s way too cool of a character to be ass. Same with Havik and Shang, all the villains just suck I guess
@lsmvandermeulen6154
@lsmvandermeulen6154 3 дня назад
@@MAKEOUTtEEJ bro I was so hyped hoping to see Shang being more of a mad scientist and having stuff like elixer setups (think Atom in Injustice 2) or whatever, but he got none of that. Might sounnd weird, it if he had that overhead in both Young and Old form I think he would see a lot more play And yeah I agree with Sub-Zero. I think his current state is entirely unreasonable when you see how characters like Reptile, Rain and Scorpion got buffed, and how Havik will be buffed. Honestly the entire gameplan with Sub is hoping to freeze the opponent into ice clone once or land the overhead once and then try and lame them out. He can't do anything else
@TheNikolaYo
@TheNikolaYo 3 дня назад
They don't want to buff him,that's the problem,because cry babies don't allow it.
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
No one in the NRS plays him or they hate playing against him so that’s why he’s not getting any love. How many times did Reptile get buffed for ZERO reason?? Lol
@TheNikolaYo
@TheNikolaYo 3 дня назад
@@MAKEOUTtEEJ Exactly.
@Chessmaster626
@Chessmaster626 3 дня назад
Awesome breakdown the subzero supposed buffs are more of a slap in the face but we are already used to it. Sub zero needs a bar for anything but wait other players need only 1 bar to do 100 hit combos oh ya perfectly fair.
@ElConejo6713
@ElConejo6713 3 дня назад
NERF SUB-ZERO 🗣
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
No!
@cleanhusk9217
@cleanhusk9217 4 дня назад
Love the vibe bro keep up the vids 😎🤞
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 4 дня назад
@@cleanhusk9217 much appreciated 🤟🏽🤣
@beaumcnally6358
@beaumcnally6358 3 дня назад
I kinda forgot he had a ground freeze
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
They try to make it his main combo extender but it’s absolute garbage 😂
@beaumcnally6358
@beaumcnally6358 3 дня назад
@MAKEOUTtEEJ oh yes it is the ice ball just need to be faster
@skull_reviews4964
@skull_reviews4964 3 дня назад
He doesn’t need buffs
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
What game are you playing bud ?😅
@skull_reviews4964
@skull_reviews4964 3 дня назад
@@MAKEOUTtEEJ mk1
@McDayWalker02
@McDayWalker02 3 дня назад
@@skull_reviews4964clearly not
@thrillwolf
@thrillwolf 4 дня назад
I respect your opinion but I just have to say fuck sub zero and the horse that he came in on
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 4 дня назад
@@thrillwolf respect, but I’ll be honest if sub becomes viable, you may be saying fuck me and the sub zero horse ima be riding on… pause
@thrillwolf
@thrillwolf 3 дня назад
Sub zero don't need buff the been buffing subs just hid behind clone and yes I'm a sub zero hater I fighting sub I hate being sub I'm glad he go changed to noob fuck sub zero fuck b Han fuck the Lin kunts
@Divaughn
@Divaughn 4 дня назад
Buff shang 😈🫵🏽
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 4 дня назад
@@Divaughn very interesting, don’t know ALOT about Shang, but he could be a possible candidate 🙃
@Divaughn
@Divaughn 4 дня назад
@@MAKEOUTtEEJ all I want is his f4 overhead to be a pop up on young form
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 4 дня назад
@@Divaughn exactly! What! I was thinking!!!
@ralphwarom2514
@ralphwarom2514 4 дня назад
That is a massive buff. Absolutely massive XD
@Chabells_MK
@Chabells_MK 4 дня назад
He needs nerfs tbh.
@yomrwhite607
@yomrwhite607 3 дня назад
how does he need nerfs you're just shite at the game and can't block one of the slowest overheads in the game and sub-zero isn't even top 15 characters in the game i can bet you haven't been pass master rank
@skull_reviews4964
@skull_reviews4964 3 дня назад
Ikr 😭
@MAKEOUTtEEJ
@MAKEOUTtEEJ 3 дня назад
@@skull_reviews4964stop this blasphemy
@saiib0tz
@saiib0tz 3 дня назад
Sub zero is literally bottom 1 & saying he needs nerfs? Buddy stop it.
@skull_reviews4964
@skull_reviews4964 2 дня назад
@@saiib0tz npc comment
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