I am really late to the party but I wanted to say thanks for this video. I don't want to give BRI any of my money if at all possible after the way they treated him while he was ill and dying, and how they screwed his son Steve out of any inheritance to Bob's legacy. So I really appreciate it when you offer alternative brands that will still get the job done.
I am glad I can help you out and show you some alternatives. I have a few more you might be interested in. I will link them below: Paint: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RlB_cDupJpI.html Bucket: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eTeMqNEuxig.html Medium: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lMr6lQwMdWo.html
what I used in the beginning when I started in the summer of 1988 was a piece of tempered glass came off of a old entertainment center door and as far as paints go you can get a pretty good package of a variety of colors at a reasonable price over at Michael's where I also get my canvases
Hey- For the liquid white, you can use linseed oil(or any other oil) and titanium white (if you’re just starting). That’s what I use and it works perfectly. For a palate, you use a piece of plastic or glass. If you don’t want thinner, you can use gamsol.
All those are great suggestions, but I would still recommend newbies buy LW. While making your own LW may be a tiny bit cheaper, it also means the new painter would have craft the correct viscosity ( which would be tough because they have nothing to compare it too). Gamsol is a super duper great product... but cost more money. I would recommend that product for someone how knows they like to paint or plans on sticking with it.
Glad you like it buddy. I think you will like my new video that I just dropped. Its all about is it worth getting into Bob Ross painting and what it will take. Feel free to check it out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xTUhu58qkpo.html
@Wild Creates true, I used to use them in spray paint art but it's nice to know they can be used with oil paint to get started then can move to something better.
I found a Bob Ross basic set for $30 just a few weeks ago. Bought some gesso, a few of those $0.99 brushes at Michael’s and was off to a pretty good start for pure novice.
My very first glass palette was a shelf I removed from one of my IKEA kitchen cabinets. I used it for quite a while then bought a real glass palette. I no longer have an IKEA kitchen thankfully.
I would recommend getting all the colors that Bob uses instead, so that you don't have to worry about mixing and figure out the right colors. It's probably ups the over all total to about 200 maybe but to me well worth it.
I agree with this 100% provided you can afford it - They are good to have as references for when you buy other colors to match their hue and viscosity.
These are great tips. I got BR 2inch, 1 inch, a round, fan . Had a old easle from a set I bought a while ago. Got some liquid white, cheap paint set and individual Winston blah blah paints in 4 different colors. I bought a big tube of the w&n titanium white. Paint thinner...but the cheap acrylic palette really pissed me off. My knives get messy, not like Bob... Other than that...I made a nice little painting the other day. I'm sure I'm at least 200$ in and it's acceptable quality. Same cheap canvases and gesso too. Paper towels is what I got excited by. Get brawny. But the towel thing is even better, though I'd be wary about throwing a towel laden with oil paints into my washer. That's just me being neurotic maybe, maybe not idk.
I am glad that my videos are helping you out on your creative adventures. I use junk towels all the time that I get from goodwill... after washing them of course. But once they have oil paint on them I never wash them again ( at least not in the washer ) If you are looking for the best paper towels while painting... take a look at this video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6zN91Tad1M4.html
For a palette, home depot sells 18''x24" single pane glass sheets for $5. Caution - glass edges could be sharp. Recommend for using as a table top palette.
You could also apply the protective guards to the sides of the glass… I’m talking about the thin molding that goes on the outer edges of the car doors as bump/chip guard and comes in a roll at any auto parts store. Some come with double sided tape and cheap ones do not so you’ll want to be able to remove them to wash pallet.
I forgot about prime colors and spent money on every color Bob used, but I'm going to return them and mix my own brown like you suggested, so thank you! Good video
I would highly recommend Jackson’s Art in the UK for Bob Ross supplies. I pieced together my set of Bob Ross brushes and got Jackson’s brand artist grade paint for around $100 Canadian. Pretty good for 4 brushes and 8 artist grade paints. Also if you have some woodworking tools you can make your own canvases and easel. I can make 30 16x20 canvases for $65 CDN. That includes wood canvas and gesso. Hope that helps.
I knew I was in the right place when I saw the paint pours. Lol I've been doing lots of stuffs and looking forward to trying my hand at one of these. Thank you!!!
in my opinion, I would upgrade the easels I got a $40 Table Easel one from hobby lobby and I use a 40% off. so in the end it was like $25. but it was the best investment I made. I use it all the time now. and the best part you don't have to hold it
Buy an easel for life. I prefer the 'H' wooden easel but I have a couple of table top easels too. As for the empty gallon can, I just looked at Lowe's website and they sell for little over $5.
Oil paint can only be cleaned with thinner or other mineral spirts UNLESS you use water mixable oil paints. Which you can learn more about here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-r7GEA8ag7Hk.html
The Bob Ross Travel Easel is ok. Only thing I don’t like is the rectangle patch on top that covers the canvas and thus cannot really paint underneath it.
Every time he says clouds I only hear him saying “clowns”, and my brain is like, when are we painting clowns in Bob Ross paintings?? I keep hearing this man say cloooowns, is it just me?? haha
Hey Wild, you try water based oils for bob ross paintings? I'm using Lukas Berlin they seem good. Clean up is soooo much better with then too. Also great 👍 your vids got me into paitning. Just wish this this was made 5 months ago to save me lots of cash.😅
Yes I have and I recommend then if you are sensitive to oils or have issues with vapors from thinners. Then work great overall. I have some and plan on doing a video on them. Just need more time to plan it out and shoot it is all 😜 I am glad that I can help you on a new creative adventure - I will be sure to make some more awesome vids to help you on your journey.
Its actually very simple and straight forward - you just apply gesso, let it dry (completely) then add your oil paint on top. If you need more info I have a few older videos on it below: - How To Gesso: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z1kdd-uHHj4.html - Why Gesso: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l1RTfCFAqSw.html
Great video man,tnx. But I can't find any natural bristle brushes in my area. I live in Iran and love Bob ross painting style but I can't do it properly because of using wrong material. Bob ross himself talks a lot about not using plastic bristle brush but we just have synthetic brushes available in art stores.😢❤❤
Synthetic is becoming more popular and better due to advancements, The trick is to look for the correct wording. Look for "Natural Bristles" or "Synthetic Natural" or mix of the 2 words. These will work perfect for ya. Hope that helps and happy painting.
There is a good chance you might not be using enough paint. We've all been there, myself included; you squirt out the smallest amount of paint possible on your palette, because you don't want to waste paint. My bushes and such never applied correctly until I made sure I had an adequate amount of paint. If you are worried about wasting paint, I have a solution. Go and get yourself a little tupperware container and tape a cotton pad (one of those little round ones used for taking off make up) to the top of the container. Then get your self a small bottle of clove oil and put a few drops into the cotton when you are storing your paint. Put your paint on a piece of wax paper and put it in the container and seal up tight. Your paint paint won't dry out and you can use it weeks, even months, later.
@@BlackSpineHorror ok i might try that but when it comes to using enough paint i use a crap tone of it and it still wont work but your idea seems pretty useful so ill keep it in mind
Could you do a video on the thinner mediums and what exactly a medium is? I have been reading a lot about using thinners vs linseed oil. Some tutorials mention using it and some do not. Awesome videos =)
ACRYLIC PAINTS vs OIL PAINTS: Well there’s more topic related videos on mediums when your talking about acrylic paints! There’s extra thick for building textures and realistic visual effects, then there’s a Gel that’s more workable thick like tooth paste and dries slower than the thick one and dries slower than acrylic paint itself. Then there’s fluid medium instead of Gel medium, the difference is it’s liquidy and has a nice flow to it. You also have options as to a matte finish or glossy and these are all clear when they dry. NOW… alllll these mediums are meant to be added into the acrylic paint. It will give the acrylic paint a very identical characteristic and performance of oil paints. The mediums are called mediums bcs it creates a workable surface to paint on. A medium can be referred to as a substrate (surface) or an (in between) substance.. kind of like a person who is a medium bcs they are a means to connect the real world to the supernatural world, just like the paint mediums connect the paint to the canvas. If you try to use plain acrylic paint directly onto an also “plain” canvas, the canvas will be “too dry” for the paint and it will dry as its coming off the brush. Even on a gesso prepped canvas which gives it the white finish texture we all know, the paint will not come off the brush and transfer onto the canvas well at all and you won’t be able to achieve any of your techniques without using an excessive amount of paint in order to compensate for the canvas not being coated with liquid white paint (with medium mixed into it) and also your colors not having medium mixed into them either. The most important part of the medium is that not only does it dry slowly, BUT it will reach a very specific level of dryness and it will STAY in that perfect window of 50% dry!…. It makes the acrylic paint act like a verrrry fine thin paste that blends AMAZINGLY!! It allows you to apply different amounts of pressure to your paint brush and it will either blend like your Picasso or with less pressure it will create a “dry wash” finish effect and show the texture of the canvas without whipping off the paint! If your paints to NOT have either a Gel Matt medium or fluid matte medium mixed into them, your paint will come off the canvas and you’ll see the white canvas exposed when you try to blend layers of colors together or pancaked in layers. It’s bcs acrylic paint by itself dries too fast and becomes unworkable, and when you apply pressure or water to work the paint, it’ll wash off. Mediums create a web like connective tissues between the canvas and the acrylic colors. OIL PAINTS: do not use mediums like acrylic require…. Oil paints only require some organic oil to be added to the oil paint bcs it’s a very thick paste by itself and cannot be used straight out the tube. Oil choices/options are minimal and the only thing that can be alerted is the choice of oil added to the oil paint which determines the dry time (fast dry) or (slow dry)… the only thing oil and acrylic share in common is the canvas lol. And alllllll canvas are prepped using the same Gesso which comes in black or white. This is NOT like the mediums from earlier, instead the gesso dries hard with a sandy grit feel to it. This will need to be sanded with like 180-320 grit and re applied then sanded again and it’s up to you how much of that sandy grit you want on the canvas. There needs to be some texture on the canvas bcs it helps pull off paint from the brush and grab onto the canvas. Oil paint stays wet for soooo long, you have alllll the time in the world to make corrections and plan out your art. Where acrylic paint WANTS to dry fast but artists are always struggling to prevent that.. there’s even a dry retarder you can add a few drops into the acrylic paint to help it stay wet longer. It’s been 11 months for you since this question but was that helpful? It’s almost everything you need to know.
I suppose the chip brushes shed quite a bit? Would you recommend cleaning them and crimping the metal parts tighter like you recommended on the updated BR Master set brushes?
100% (Says with a straight face ) Beat the brushes off very good before using them for anything. This will get most of the lose hairs out. Then you can crimp them tighter (if you want). This will help a ton. But still be aware the hairs in chip brushes are prone to snap. Since they are more brittle. Hope that helps
Can not see my link to the glass chopping board I bought from Amazon UK, so here it is again on a new post instead of reply. www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01DMDBGU4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Just discovered your channel and love it. Thanks for the hints and tips. For a palette I use a Glass Worktop Saver Chopping Board, White, 40 x 30cm, tempered glass and round edged. Cost me £8, not sure how much they would be in the US.
Glad you are liking the videos. I sometimes use a tempered glass shelf with rounded edges BUT I love you idea, But I have never seen a glass chopping board. Mind sending me a link it you can - would love to find something compare able here in the states.
Chip brushes are like the cheapest brushes around - They will get the job done but they are cheap quality. They are generally made of a combination of real hair and synthetic. You can still make awesome art work with them ( as you can see in the link below ). Just realize the brushes wont last long. Simple Chip Brush Painting: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wp0-ndgDOAc.html
Hi. I'm planning a Bob Ross birthday. As far as amount if paint needed for a single painting, how much would a single person need for a single painting. I am looking at getting a variety pack Winson and Newton for each person. Each tube has .4 fl Oz. Would that work?
Hello there Tasha, That will work as long as you don't waste too much paint ha ha ha. The only issue you may have is having enough titanium white. You use it for literally everything; clouds, snow, highlights, ETC ( so it goes quickly ). Not sure how many people will be at the party, but if its a decent number. I would get the kits you want and one extra 4 oz tube of a firm titanium white (6.75 oz tube if the party size is decent number), I attached a link below of a good one to get. Using my links does help support my channel 💪 Hope that helps a little & Happy painting. Link: geni.us/WNTitaniumWhite
Yes there is - check out this video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bk44c1KuhrM.html Also if you are looking for supplies, you can click on my link to see where you can get the products I mention. They are geo links and should (hopefully) find the same thing in your country or region
Just started to shop for all of this stuff so I can get started. Quick question about gesso, do I need a black oil color to mix with it, or can I use of of the 4 that you mentioned in the video?
Oil and acrylic dont mix.... that makes for weak paint adhesion. You can mix gesso with other gessos or other acrylics though. If you are looking so recommendations, in this YT short here... in the video description I list all the ones I use. They work well and are cheap.... just get a small bottle of black to start. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7f3RhS15s20.html
@@WildCreates Thanks for the tip :) Ordered myself both black and white gesso, liquid white and liquid clear, along with the 4 oil colors you mentioned in your "How To Build A CHEAP Bob Ross Painting Kit For New Painters!" and of course a Titanium white. So I think once I get those, I'll be good to go and follow along with your painting videos.
I think you will like my alternative to Bob Ross Products then. I linked one below for ya: Bob Ross Alternative Paints: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RlB_cDupJpI.html
So a question ... it looked like the canvas 'package' you chose had five canvases, is that accurate? If that's the case, how long (in paintings) do the paint tubes usually last? Some of these supplies seem like a one and done deal (like the easel, at least if you get one somewhat quality), while obviously paints (and to a lesser extent, probably brushes) are only going to last so long. I have no idea if I would enjoy painting, but Bob's "anyone can do it" style gives me the urge to at least try it. I figure if it isn't too expensive, I might try and watch an episode a week, and paint along with it, and try that for at least five or ten weeks to be able to really get an idea of whether I actually like it or not ... so I'm interested in having some idea of how long those supplies will last, and how quickly they'll need to be replaced, to get through that first testing period. (I hope that number of paintings can let me get enough of a hang up it to actually start producing decent looking stuff!) Thoughts?
OK best & honest answer I can give is: 1) It takes about 5 to 10 paintings to see if you like it. Some are addicted after a single painting BUT most I would say it takes about 5 to 10 paintings. 2) Buy the BR master kit, 1 extra tube of WN titanium white, 1 table top easel, cheap 11x14 or 12x16 canvas pack and thinner. That will be enough... FOR NOW. Other supplies just use junk towels for cleaning and junk buckets/Tupperware for thinner and other cheap supplies I mention in the video. 3) The supplies from #2 will for sure get your through 5 BR paintings Maybe 8 to 10 if you paint with not many layers and don't waste paint. 4) To minimize wasting paint... paint 2 BR paintings back to back. You will learn twice as much and save on paint and cleaning time. 5) Your first painting will SUCK!!! The second will suck BUT it will suck less. The third will actually look like something BUT suck! The fourth will be an, "OH crap" moment and have a decent painting that looks like 50% crap. Painting number 5 is where it all clicks and you have a decent painting your are some what proud of AND it makes you want to paint anther. After you do 5 to 10 painting. HIt me back and let me know what you think. I honestly would love to know your thoughts. Also hit that sub button - this awesome answer desevers some love and a sub 😁
@@WildCreates Yes, yes it does. Honestly, I have no idea if it will work out, getting to the point of trying this. At the moment, I have no money for buying any supplies ... but if the passengers are there for me for the next couple of months, I can get caught up, and manage the funds to give it a try, knowing that the first bunch of supplies will last long enough for me to get some idea of if I can make this work. I watched two of Bob's shows yesterday, and one today, and it really is amazing how easy he makes it look. And thank you for mentioning at least 5 paintings to start to get anywhere, because that is something I needed to hear, to not give up after the first one, or maybe the first two. If I invest the money, I can at least commit to 5-10, and believe it or not, I was already planning to do each show twice, painting along. I don't know, I have never really had much interest in painting, at least that I can remember, but watching those videos just makes me think "Heck yeah, I want to do this!" Have subscribed, and will let you know when I get started! Thank you for answering!
If you can save about $20 to $30 bucks a month. In 3 to 4 months you will have enough money to dive in and try it. Don't give up hope ha ha ha. I honestly started painting NOT because I wanted to be creative BUT because I had a stressful job and wanted to do something to de-stress. It works. I know some people have told me that they have found discount kits on ebay or used kits on craigslist/facebook marketplace. You can also try their to save money. You might also like tomorrows video (hint hint) I'm rooting for ya buddy.
Thanks - If you are looking to paint with just Bob Ross equipment. I did a video on the ultimate BR Kit. Check it out: Link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E2dGRkh05gE.html
Yes it does - Just make sure to sub out the paints for the water mixable ones. You will also have to make your own water mixable Liquid White. Follow the recipe here ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c6ISb-xRCVs.html )
I haven't tried that BUT these two videos below will show you how to make LW with acrylics - That should help you out a lot: 3 Recipes: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nI5D-HC7e5o.html DIY Recipe: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uOZACe0v_Do.html
I would suggest normal canvas or even canvas board over pads. This way you can have the bounce and feel when creating highlights and bushes. Pads are a good option for saving money
I know its a real shame - BUT a lot of them products in this video mentioned are still the affordable way to go. Bonus Tip... try to take huge advantage of coupons.
@@WildCreates yea i went yesterday and used the 20% off which helps. Went to home depot and got a few chip brushes. This video will help so many people out because im prob 250.00 into the hobby so u would of saved me alot if i watched this first
Damn, I wish I had seen your videos before I went full ham on my local paint store. Now I'm afraid I might have bought too oily paints, as I seem to become a mudmixer often. Also I have loads of problems with making paint breaks, not sure what's the problem with those.
There are a lot of video on this channel that will help you out if your paint is too oily. As for paint breaks. Take a look at this video below of a little hack: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rZ-9zhdXSl4.html
@@WildCreates Oh, I have been watching all of your videos little by little, I think I've found what the issue is (although I haven't tested yet): way, way, WAY too much paint in the sky and especially the mountains. One time I also forgot to scrape the paint thoroughly, and even forgot to drag the excess paint down the mountain. So all that caused a whole lot of contamination on the titanium white on the knife, and there wasn't rough canvas for the paint breaks to happen from all the excess paint. Got myself some shop paper for that. I also put together wooden backing for taping pages of canvas pad for practice, another one of your ideas. I'm planning to test everything soon, when I have time. 😉 I also found your cardboard hack for oily paints,so I think I can manage with what I have, I'll likely later exchange them to Gamblin 1980 when they run out. ;) Once again, I want to say that your videos are super helpful and very useful: thank you! 😊
Awesome dude - I am glad that my video are helping you out. Let me know how your goes for ya. If you like this channel you can always become a member to help support.
Awesome - always nice when you can save money. Just be careful, some hardware store turps are industry grade. Which means they can harm your brushes over time and have a strong vapor smell to them.
Is there a reason to choose Windsor and Newton paints over Bob Ross paints? At the moment, 37ml tubes of Bob Ross paints are $5.45 from DickBlick.com, or $5.19 from JerrysArtArama.com. The 37ml Windsor and Newton Winton paints you say are $6.00 a tube are as low as $3.66 for some colors on DickBlick.com. The lowest priced colors are regularly $4.17 from JerrysArtArama.com, currently on sale for $3.49.
The main reason is price. But both brands work well. All the prices are in the video are just based on the average retail price. It’s hard to account with fluctuating sale prices. All the brands at those prices are steals. Gobble them up when you can. If you are into super deals every now and then. Normally during the week and in store only. Micheals will have some of there 37ml tubes for only like 2 or 3 dollars. Good deal if you can snag it.
@@WildCreates I don't know how often those paints are available at those prices. I might have just gotten lucky and been browsing those sites at just the right time. I was browsing those sites recently comparing prices for canvas yardage and stretcher bars and happened to think of checking their prices for various Bob Ross supplies/tools. If I actually get started and get hooked on Bob Ross style painting I'm going to have to learn to stretch my on canvases. That's much more cost effective than buying pre-stretched canvases. I've watched Bob Ross since I was a kid, and have wanted to try his method for years. I've been hesitant to try it as I often suspect that I have somewhat less artistic talent than a turnip. :-) I did learn to paint ceramics a few decades ago, but haven't painted in years. I bought a Bob Ross master set quite a while back. I think that may be the same set in the reddish box on the left hand side of the book case behind you. RU-vid keeps trying to help me find more hobbies than I could possibly have time for, so I tend to cycle through them. I got sidetracked on another hobby before I got started with the set. I finally cycled back to it and am just about ready to finally put brush to canvas.
The nice thing about the BR wet on wet tech.... its easy to get into. Within just a few paintings things start to click and a cloud looks like a cloud and a mountain looks like a mountain. Its very rewarding even if you have turnip talent 😜 If you have the kit give it a go - you got nothing to lose.... only to gain :)
@@WildCreates I got started this past weekend. I made some typical beginner mud mixer mistakes. I learned a magic trick. I an make clouds disappear into the sky. :-) I gave up on the first canvas with disappearing clouds. I'm pretty sure I used too much liquid white. I think the second canvas passed the fingerprint test, but I still had disappearing clouds. Could that also result from too much sky color? After a couple of tries I ended up with a completely flat sky with a couple of shapes kind of resembling clouds and the beginning of something kind of resembling a mountain. By that point I was tired of fighting with some of the sub-optimal supplies I had bought. I left it at that point and started the cleanup. I discovered the non-Bob Ross acrylic palettes and brush cleaning jar/screen I bought are way too small. A Bob Ross cleaning bucket and screen has been ordered, along with a few other additional supplies. Dick Blick has free shipping on orders over $45, and the price on some of the Bob Ross colors I didn't already have were too tempting. The preparation of my wooden palette that's a tad larger than Bob's acrylic palette is under way. I'll be putting a third coat of boiled linseed oil on it tonight. Though not a great start, I think I have an idea on where I went wrong, and what details I need to pay more attention to when I rewatch some videos on the basics.
Oh shame... Can you let me know why you hate it would love to hear your opinion. I have used them about 4 times, and they have always been adequate enough for doing a painting as a new painter.
@@WildCreates I hate how it blocks so much of the painting. I did my first painting with one, and it has two big white rectangles at the top and bottom where I couldn't paint. Now I just paint on a table and actually prefer it.
Seeing that an underhanded couple formed the Bob Ross corporation and took everything leaving the family with nothing, no one should buy Bob Ross products. It’s not even Bob Ross quality anymore. Save the money and send a message.
I am making a few BRI alternative videos. You may enjoy the one I just dropped this past weekend. BRI Paint Alternative: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RlB_cDupJpI.html
No bob ross stuff, they ripped Steve Ross off big time, was on Netflix, watched it twice, don’t know where else it is or was, Steve can’t even use the Ross name, talk about a greedy old gal
Pls before you buy Bob Ross painting and brushes, watch his documentary first on Netflix, because I guarantee you you won't buy one after watching it. I was going to buy one, I watch him almost everyday after school when I was in highschool, and all of a sudden he just disappeared on WNED now I understand why. So sad that theiraking money off his ne and this minster lady Annette is still getting rich bcos of his name.
