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How to catch your audience off guard (in a good way) 

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In dance music you sometimes want to confuse the audience, disorientating them slightly in a pleasant way, so you can heighten the release of tension with some surprise. Let's look at a techno example in Ableton Live, for music producers of all levels.
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Contents:
0:00 the oomph of an unexpected drop
0:38 the original track I was remixing
1:10 my remix drumgroove
1:23 syncopation misleading you
2:01 the climax trick in action
2:28 oscar is so proud haha
3:02 syntactic ambiguity
4:05 get the release on bandcamp

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@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 5 месяцев назад
Get the release here ► aethernalsound.bandcamp.com/album/body-radiance My Foundations courses ► courses.underdog.brussels Patreon ► www.patreon.com/underdogmusicschool Discord ► discord.gg/trDbVcDHB3
@DrGuy118
@DrGuy118 5 месяцев назад
You got your own label FINALLY... Congratulations 🙂🙂
@karinegrandvoinet2038
@karinegrandvoinet2038 5 месяцев назад
hey Oscar, did you listen to the new RAPIDES tracks ? ;)
@Gino_567
@Gino_567 5 месяцев назад
For the 300K subscriber celebration, I think we need a 2hr outro of Oscar dancing.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 5 месяцев назад
😅
@AKRIDASGAMWEKSOGIINI
@AKRIDASGAMWEKSOGIINI 5 месяцев назад
I love this "trick" in rock music, where the guitar starts playing a riff but it doesn't start at 1. then the drums and the bass come in at an unexpected time and the riff feeling changes completely. good stuff!
@nomadflbh
@nomadflbh 5 месяцев назад
When the kick came back in someone liked the video at the same time.😎👍🏾
@vivasativa5555
@vivasativa5555 5 месяцев назад
just a comment to show you my love and respect 🙏people like you make this world a better place, inspiring creation and simply giving a positive mood, bless your heart bro 🤝
@TheBroDotTV
@TheBroDotTV 5 месяцев назад
Drexciya did this very well with Black Sea.
@MFKitten
@MFKitten 5 месяцев назад
I love stuff like this. I play metal, but this kind of thing is still amazingly fun to me. Listen to Meshuggah - Do Not Look Down and Combustion. Those two songs do the "misleading 1" thing, where you THINK you know what's happening, but then the groove comes in and you have to reorient yourself. Throws you and surprises you. Another good one is Swarm by the same band, really sets you up for one tempo and groove, and then when the groove hits it's so much vigger and slower than you had anticipated.
@kennethsmith5383
@kennethsmith5383 5 месяцев назад
Hey another metalhead looking for influence from edm!
@electricdawn2258
@electricdawn2258 5 месяцев назад
AC/DC and other rock bands have used the same trick. Just listen to the intro of "Highway to Hell". Love metal myself, right now I'm more into atmospheric, noisy, techno-y ambience... stuff, though. :D
@JonathanStanley
@JonathanStanley 5 месяцев назад
Why I love true Techno 🥰
@IzakayaDeployment
@IzakayaDeployment 5 месяцев назад
I use to watch your videos. Your way of speaking and expressions makes me feel that I am watching a man that genuinely loves electronic music just like me and other people around the world. I feel identified 🎹🥁⚡🔥
@G7777K
@G7777K 4 месяца назад
Jon Hopkins is a master of this. His remix for disclosure is an incredible example
@richardhanula4702
@richardhanula4702 5 месяцев назад
2:30 very proud moment! I felt that! Good job tho, thank you for this, one definitely had most of us caught off guard. great videos
@tonescapes9673
@tonescapes9673 4 месяца назад
Thanks for your tutorials and these very true words.I'm one of the classics examples of this.now the new year is my new beginning of better psychology.anyway,cheers
@teunrompa9690
@teunrompa9690 5 месяцев назад
I love this really dark atmospheric groove you made it sounds awesome. Can you do a video on how the synths work in this track?
@Projekt_1996
@Projekt_1996 5 месяцев назад
I love how this technique makes you feel getting lost in the beat. Kessell - Addictive States is a nice track using this trick.
@SirGromit
@SirGromit 5 месяцев назад
Great drop! Big fan of the way you explain this stuff so intuitively. Love from Belgium!
@zanehirschi-neckel2662
@zanehirschi-neckel2662 5 месяцев назад
Great work as always Oscar! Your tutorials have really helped me build my love of Techno and approach music in a more realistic and disciplined fashion. Thank you so much :)
@fearsomewarengine8228
@fearsomewarengine8228 5 месяцев назад
thank you. i save every video you make. theyre so useful
@juliendelfosse
@juliendelfosse 5 месяцев назад
Brilliant, as always
@RogueFire29
@RogueFire29 5 месяцев назад
Brillant, clear and concise as always! Thanks Oscar 😁
@Reallifejourney388
@Reallifejourney388 5 месяцев назад
Thanks again!
@rmatson
@rmatson 5 месяцев назад
I love this. What a great sound.
@gregorzugec3567
@gregorzugec3567 5 месяцев назад
LSD- Process 1 has that kind of vibe🔥
@DmitryPuffin
@DmitryPuffin 5 месяцев назад
Oh, its nice to see you remixing Aeternal. His music is awesome 🖤
@simonhmackie
@simonhmackie 5 месяцев назад
That remix is a thumper!
@auroranamex5886
@auroranamex5886 5 месяцев назад
Very neat! Love it
@enensis
@enensis 5 месяцев назад
Badass thanks for sharing the knowledge
@porkroll-egg-and-cheese
@porkroll-egg-and-cheese 5 месяцев назад
Awesome man.
@thundermonk8180
@thundermonk8180 5 месяцев назад
that is so damn cool man thank you this is great stuff killer song too
@cavedwellersound
@cavedwellersound 3 месяца назад
well explained, thanks!
@gary_edwards
@gary_edwards 5 месяцев назад
I love this effect, and I've heard it termed elsewhere as metric ambiguity. I think Bound To Divide summed it up nicely in his video on the subject: "...the kick didn't actually come in at the wrong time, your understanding of the rhythm was just incorrect." Ha, love it!
@song-mode
@song-mode 5 месяцев назад
yea was gonna comment to say this, term i use in my head from prolly the same vid, is "metronomic ambiguity"
@bobbylimesmusic
@bobbylimesmusic 5 месяцев назад
X/Y/Secrets sounds awesome!
@aggretsuko6794
@aggretsuko6794 5 месяцев назад
yoo so cool i really was confused on build-up
@drydessert4198
@drydessert4198 5 месяцев назад
You can increase the trickery one level: When the kick and other drums drop out, you make the syncopated stab come in after a short pause (maybe fade in) and you actually place it where the kick would have been. But unbeknownst to the audience, you cut a small part of the last beat before the break. Then when the Kick comes back in, it is not in the expected place. In other words: Instead of just provoking the listener to be unsure where the one is, you actually change where the one is. I don't know if you can reset the grid in Ableton. If not, you could finish the part before the break. Then move everything one bar to the right, cut the last bit from the last bars before the break and move everything before the break to the right so it fits with the break. The beats before the break will then all be 'wrong' according to the ruler on top and the lines in the background. But you can ignore that if you only do that once the arrangement/structure is finished.
@OleMeesterman
@OleMeesterman 5 месяцев назад
Would be a nightmare to mix as a dj then, right?
@drydessert4198
@drydessert4198 5 месяцев назад
@@OleMeesterman Not necessarily because it is not in the beginning or end. Potentially it can be a problem. It would not keep me from doing it.
@FreddieVeggie
@FreddieVeggie 5 месяцев назад
nice. Again, something to incorporate into my solo didgeridoo playing...
@charlesbronson2806
@charlesbronson2806 5 месяцев назад
Oscar for president 🙌
@Dekkie61
@Dekkie61 5 месяцев назад
Nice! Nicest classic examples are the Age of Love and Schöneberg right? Although they do it on the intro instead of the break
@6Litz_
@6Litz_ 5 месяцев назад
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@philfiebz
@philfiebz 5 месяцев назад
Really cool EP and remix. I am sure I have heard this technique somewhere but can’t seem to remember in which track. Nevertheless, my suggestion today is “Keith Carnal - Endless”. If you love the classic “Ben Klock - Subzero” and to be honest who doesn’t, you will love this track. It basically follows the same scheme. Enjoy and till next time.
@infindebula
@infindebula 5 месяцев назад
Ambiguity is cool, it’s a trick I use a lot. But something else that might even take a bit more courage is the plain ol’ off-time drop, i.e. the breakdown ends on something other than the bar line. The first time I ever heard it in electronic dance music was 808 State’s Cubik original mix (it happens at 0:58 and also at 1:48). It takes courage to stick something like this into your track, and you’ll piss off some DJs in the process, but it sure is exciting on the dancefloor. It makes your audience pay attention.
@jfroines
@jfroines 5 месяцев назад
Check the track Monochrome by Covenant for a really good extended "where's the downbeat? there it is!" intro.
@estebanmunoz9279
@estebanmunoz9279 5 месяцев назад
Nice oneee
@youlemur
@youlemur 5 месяцев назад
please do one on making weird off sounding but really driving grooves, if you know what i mean :DD love from Prag
@MetRoamer
@MetRoamer 5 месяцев назад
Nice bong
@ottonelli_music
@ottonelli_music 5 месяцев назад
A perfect example of track tha use this technique is Astrix & Loud - Genetic Lottery. Play around 5:25 during the brake to see
@w-hisky
@w-hisky 5 месяцев назад
A song that tricks me EVERYtime with this is: Barry White, "You're all I want", on the Love Unlimited Orchestra's Album "Music Maestro, Please!" 🤯 Look it up, and be baffled! 😅
@aliaksandrilyushenka5597
@aliaksandrilyushenka5597 5 месяцев назад
Hello, Oscar! Thank you for simple simple yet cool trick! What do you think of LDS? What would you call this style/genre? :)
@GrozerVonTeplitz
@GrozerVonTeplitz 3 месяца назад
Reinier Zonnenveld & Space 92 Ravarp( Extended mix)
@SHLDMusic
@SHLDMusic 4 месяца назад
Great! Do you often play at the Fuse?
@b00ts4ndc4ts
@b00ts4ndc4ts 5 месяцев назад
I have a compulsive disorder and because thet way my brain works I notice this happening when on a night out or listening to music, and it feels really abrasive to me and it feels more like a mistake. But I can't go to bed without checking that everything is turned off and the doors and windows are locked, and if I loose my train of thought, I have to start again until I know its done.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 5 месяцев назад
Interesting! Yeah I sometimes also think I hear mistakes, but that are just part of the song haha.
@b00ts4ndc4ts
@b00ts4ndc4ts 5 месяцев назад
@@OscarUnderdog I am going to give it a go and see if I can change how it feels to me. Thanks injecting new prospectives into my music production ⭐
@viogitz
@viogitz 5 месяцев назад
🎉
@herveguerrisi
@herveguerrisi 27 дней назад
Great Oscaaar as always ! But am I the only one to hear the bassline off tune ?
@mrburnout
@mrburnout 5 месяцев назад
hey oscar, I recently made a plugin that lets you create MIDI sequences with odd subdivisions other than 2,3,4,16 etc. Was wondering if this is something you'd be interested in ... would definitely help with this technique! I'm hoping to get some people using it for free and get some exposure and hopefully make a career out of this stuff... please let me know if that interests you!
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 5 месяцев назад
Cool! Come share it on the discord channel. I’ll probably not use it in a video though as I’m not reviewing plugins these days. But send it to me just in case!
@keithlane4705
@keithlane4705 5 месяцев назад
Fine in maybe one song in a set, but people get turned off by being proved wrong
5 месяцев назад
The way this guy is making it between 4:30 and 4:50 is another brilliant example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ltHt-POT80M.html
@elmarhinz3076
@elmarhinz3076 5 месяцев назад
I observe how you struggle to find names for the different beats. In fact, if I consult wikipedia there is no terminology for the three levels of divisions (kick, snare, high-hats) of a bar divided into sixteenth notes and the positions resulting from this. Still the best approach is four times ti-ki-ta-ki to divide the bar. This is very surprising. The pairs on-beat/off-beat or down-beat/up-beat can only describe two levels. No surprise their use is always confusing. For example your usage of down-beat/up-beat already varies from the definition given in wikipedia.
@infindebula
@infindebula 5 месяцев назад
In my experience, everyone sort of develops their own terminology for this. In my high school music class many years ago we were taught about how to count. A 4/4 bar with 8th notes would be “1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &” , while 16th notes would be “1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a”. That stuck with me, so in my terminology I might say I like to put an isolated snare on “the e of 1” for a funky kraftwerk-esque emphasis, or a repeating snare on “the a of 4” for a classic house character. Hi hats on all the “ands” for a classic dance bounce. Kicks on the “1” and the “and of 3” for basic dnb, etc. I have no idea how many people think this way. Conveying rhythm can be tricky when you’re talking to people with different musical backgrounds / trains of thought / experience levels. I think Oscar does a pretty good job.
@elmarhinz3076
@elmarhinz3076 5 месяцев назад
@@infindebula Yeah, the “1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a” is actually the same counting as "ti-ki-ta-ki ti-ki-ta-ki ti-ki-ta-ki ti-ki-ta-ki" which I know to be used in South-America. The one is shorter to write, the other easier to speak out. Your format additionally allows to precisely address a single off-beat. A huge gain. I am still surprised. Music theory tends to give names to everything, still for this fundamental 16th division there is no solid terminology.
@CademanLillywhite
@CademanLillywhite 5 месяцев назад
Am I first, am I first?!
@voltijuice8576
@voltijuice8576 5 месяцев назад
One of my greatest obstacles to learning music is how counter-intuitive it is that the terms try to describe audio events in terms of physical place: ie drops, builds, risers, bridges, hooks, etc.
@Sypher474
@Sypher474 5 месяцев назад
A lot of these terms thankfully correspond with how a waveform looks, or how the notes look written down - a riser will generally become louder and rise in pitch, so the waveform will become larger in a ramp upwards. Then this leads to a drop, lots of elements have built up tension then we suddenly snatch them away for the drop, the waveform will be thick and chaotic before and fall off a cliff and become less dense at the drop (this is a bit genre dependent...) A bridge is literally a bridge between two sections. Draw out the structure of a song as you listen in blocks eg. intro, verse, chorus, verse, bridge, chorus, outro. You'll hear each section on a timeline, giving them physical place. Even the names of synthesiser waves are based on how they look - saw wave, square etc all look like their names. I find an oscilloscope and spectrum analyser etc very handy for this exact reason. Involving your eyes in the listening is essential in my opinion.
@OscarUnderdog
@OscarUnderdog 5 месяцев назад
I find that they chart a landscape of experience, so it makes sense in my mind :)
@sergiobacelar2733
@sergiobacelar2733 4 месяца назад
X/Y/Secret let's go!!
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