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Kids today are spoilt for choice when it comes to mini mountain bikes - from balance bikes to mini super bikes, there's a wealth of options available. Check out this guide to choosing the right bike for your little one.
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Neil give the rundown on weight, ergonomics, size, and how they combine to make a great ride experience on each of Commencal's range of children's bikes.
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Комментарии : 307   
@gmbn
@gmbn 4 года назад
What do you look for in a kids MTB? Let us know!
@thomashardbattle4287
@thomashardbattle4287 4 года назад
Neil your little boy look just like you but tiny
@andrewcross5918
@andrewcross5918 4 года назад
Right fit and light weight.
@andrewgardner9615
@andrewgardner9615 4 года назад
Defo not a BSO-get something proper and then them out and enjoying cycling.
@slippy9916
@slippy9916 4 года назад
Man, I wish we had bike's like this in 70s. My friend had the Yamaha 20" bike back then. Coolest bike 1973
@HUSHHUSH-
@HUSHHUSH- 4 года назад
Exactly what you guys said .
@sebb4469
@sebb4469 4 года назад
Imagine the amount of sticks they would have had to find to stand up all those bikes
@Jurrb_
@Jurrb_ 4 года назад
SB Unknown what about the money the needed to spend on all the bikes 😂
@magnusleaksofficial
@magnusleaksofficial 3 года назад
Kids bikes have kick stands
@Bruhsound4.0
@Bruhsound4.0 3 года назад
@@magnusleaksofficialnot balance ones
@Latchfpv
@Latchfpv 4 года назад
I totally approve of the lil kid giving a thumbs up at the end. Made me laugh. Good video.
@amandanorth6526
@amandanorth6526 4 года назад
He was gorgeous. Awesome little shredders, all of them
@mallillinrjkaylec.6413
@mallillinrjkaylec.6413 4 года назад
This kids have higher components than me HAHAHAA
@soupgaming5923
@soupgaming5923 4 года назад
Kids really do be like that these days *cries in suntour xct*
@andrisvelmeris
@andrisvelmeris 4 года назад
I am 15, started working for my pro bike when i was 13 in the summer Totaly enyoy it! Am i a spoiled kid? Idk
@coltenbraden7318
@coltenbraden7318 4 года назад
Fax
@MrDblStop
@MrDblStop 4 года назад
And skills.
@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_
@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ 4 года назад
@@soupgaming5923 Suntour is the best
@darkwolve
@darkwolve 4 года назад
Right on time! My 9yo daughter just started riding beginner trails with me on her Mongoose. Won't be long till I'm shopping for a proper trail bike for her. Just what excellent timing!
@FfoegR
@FfoegR 4 года назад
GMBN needs a new series.. "Don's Groms". Wee shredder's progression sessions with Neil and Blake 🤘
@psabby2970
@psabby2970 4 года назад
FfoegR YASS! That would be great! Little shredders sending it! 👍🏻
@villimagg
@villimagg 4 года назад
❤ for Commencal! Finally Commencal on this channel ❤❤❤
@bryzf1
@bryzf1 4 года назад
I just bought the 24” Commencal Clash for my 6 and 8 year olds for bike park duty and they’re in love with them! Full on enduro kids bike... so much better than my Huffy BMX bike when I was their age
@Amadeus2231
@Amadeus2231 4 года назад
looks like 26 inch wheels are officially dead, they didn't even have a kids bike in that size. Even though I ride 26 inch wheels
@joel6376
@joel6376 4 года назад
Other brands make them.
@smartcookie1013
@smartcookie1013 4 года назад
26 never dies
@alexgrant6965
@alexgrant6965 4 года назад
same here man 26 gang strong
@dapster
@dapster 4 года назад
Haha, how wrong you could be. 26 will NEVER DIE!!
@mason_stratton7
@mason_stratton7 4 года назад
Dirt jump bikes still use 26' wheels.
@runerides8762
@runerides8762 4 года назад
Refreshing content, really liking this guys. Good job!
@dirtbiker1745
@dirtbiker1745 3 года назад
I had a lightweight 26” wheels Whyte 405 with a 1x drivetrain and airfork when I was 11. I adored that bike so much and now in 14 and I just sold it and now I’m buying a 27.5 wheel bike
@psabby2970
@psabby2970 4 года назад
My little sister has a 2019 Trek Roscoe 20’ and she LOVES it. I have a 2020 Trek Roscoe 7 and it is hella fun. Keep it up GMBN!
@Swenteno
@Swenteno 4 года назад
I have a 2018 Roscoe 8
@MTBZenMaster
@MTBZenMaster 4 года назад
Great information. Next please do a video on Kids kit. Helmets (trail and full face), pedals, gloves etc. For example, those cheap plastic stock pedals that come on bike do not work on trail, so proper pedals are a must. Thank you! -Sam
@xdamiya2008
@xdamiya2008 2 года назад
I like it🎂
@TWROC96
@TWROC96 4 года назад
This was super informative. I hope parents keep it in mind as the Christmas season rolls around when they are considering getting their kids on bikes. Well done Neal. Oh, and your little guy is rocking that push bike!
@chiefsilverback
@chiefsilverback 4 года назад
I just ordered a Pello Reyes for my 8 year old. We’re lucky to have 3 boys so the cost is defrayed over multiple users. I ordered the optional air fork and wider tires, but they ship it with the rigid and the regular tires so it’s pretty easy to switch between a 21lbs (9.5kg) rigid, and a 24lbs (11kg) hardtail.
@znco1935
@znco1935 4 года назад
can you do a viedo on how to start doing triks on mtb
@frorton_9170
@frorton_9170 4 года назад
These kids are SHREDDING all video. Amazing
@KoenMiseur
@KoenMiseur 4 года назад
Man those kids can shred!
@reneh.6551
@reneh.6551 4 года назад
Bravo Manitou suspensions for doing kids specifics 👏😍🚲🌲
@andrewgardner9615
@andrewgardner9615 4 года назад
Had a commencal meta about 8 years ago-ish(Stolen 6 years ago).Had tried to get my,then, 5 year old a commencal but could only source them from Europe.Glad to see they're hopefully getting more easily available in UK.
@gogovitch66
@gogovitch66 4 года назад
Great! :D Th for all the research! :D I also went for the Commençal Ramones 14'' as I couldn't get the Prevelo Bikes here in Europe. I don't regret it at all and as my nephew LOVES his new bike, I'm all happy to spend my time with him teaching how to balance and pedal :)
@simmo26
@simmo26 4 года назад
One issue we had when buying a bike for my son was that most in our price range and in his size had grip shift but his wrists weren't strong enough. We had to break our budget to get "normal" paddle shifters. But at the end of the day, another person on a bike is a good thing so sound investment!
@TheLelol
@TheLelol 4 года назад
Those bikes just look really lovely with a similar shape and the same paintjob as the big bikes.
@monzibijleveldvincenti8330
@monzibijleveldvincenti8330 4 года назад
I don't have kids but saving this video just in case because I'm only like 5 feet tall.
@GTChucker86
@GTChucker86 4 года назад
Get a 26 inch bike. It’ll feel like a twenty niner for you haha
@monzibijleveldvincenti8330
@monzibijleveldvincenti8330 4 года назад
@@GTChucker86 I actually have a 26 inch hard tail bike right now and It fits really well for me. When I want to upgrade to a full suspension it will be harder for me to find
@emmeadamick341
@emmeadamick341 4 года назад
Trailcraft cycles
@Swenteno
@Swenteno 4 года назад
Monzi Bijleveld get a 15.5 27.5
@paddybutler9161
@paddybutler9161 4 года назад
I'm a big fan can I have a shout-out in Ur next video plz Also good vid
@danp2509
@danp2509 4 года назад
Another issue with stabilisers is that some kids tend to lean to one side on the stabilisers which makes moving from stabilisers to two wheels harder
@mefpazur
@mefpazur 4 года назад
That's exactly what's happened with my daughter. She's been very good with the balance bike and then switched to a regular bike with stabilizers. Sure, speed went up, but she's gotten lazy and would happily lean hard on one side to turn these cranks faster...
@Yoda-em5mt
@Yoda-em5mt 3 года назад
Trainning wheels are for lazy parents the dont teach anything good they teach the opisite of good tecnic .
@HUSHHUSH-
@HUSHHUSH- 4 года назад
Spot on video and a very good timing for me as need to get my one a bigger bike 🚲
@The_RC_Dude
@The_RC_Dude 4 года назад
10:53 lol
@yleazar257
@yleazar257 3 года назад
Bruhh
@The_RC_Dude
@The_RC_Dude 3 года назад
I'm surprised the tires can handle it
@georgegame4304
@georgegame4304 4 года назад
wow that was outstanding!!
@colinthompson5881
@colinthompson5881 4 года назад
Those kids were super cool! Will show this to my kids 🤘
@marcmayoralcheca8942
@marcmayoralcheca8942 10 месяцев назад
La mejor bicicleta para niños en mi opinión ,fabricada en Andorra hemos comprado una Commencal Ramones 16 para mi hijo de 4 años y es una maravilla de bici , buenos frenos y buena calidad , 100% recomendable ,los preciós son elevados pero vale la pena
@bendaff9618
@bendaff9618 4 года назад
I'm 12 so now I can get a size small 💪opens up a lot of options for me I'm saving up for a vitus mythique vr I already sold my trek marlin 5 and stomp 125cc now I need to save up 250 so I can ride again. Luckily me dads bike (cube aim competition line) is a size small so currently I'm riding it.
@Ice_Daniyel
@Ice_Daniyel 3 года назад
i never heard a 12 yr old talk like that so congratulations
@rupedog
@rupedog 4 года назад
Good timing, with at least 3 recent-ish gmbn/embn little ripers being assembled and lubed! 👏😋
@lacojanco7571
@lacojanco7571 4 года назад
if you want to ride with them and have some fun, the weight is the most important. My 7 years old son can make 25 km long mtb rides (700 meters elevation)on 9kg 24 size bike. No need for suspension and discbrakes.
@pedrobotinasguedes
@pedrobotinasguedes 4 года назад
My Kid learned on balance bike, and with 2,5 years old is now on pedal bike! Without hekping wheels. My trouble is that his starter bike is quite heavy... But he is still so small which maks it very hard to find options that are not absurdly expensive. Thanks for this video. I will check out commençal site
@andrewcross5918
@andrewcross5918 4 года назад
My kids love their rothan and cnoc. We took the pedals off the cnoc for a while but when the older one asked to have them out back on he was riding straight away. When it comes to progressing from a balance bike to a pedal bike the kids know when they are ready and it just happens.
@roichir7699
@roichir7699 4 года назад
Next challenge for Neil and Blake: Balance bike dirtjump and downhill. Love Neil on that thing.
@leomorris1773
@leomorris1773 3 года назад
That 27.5 clash has more travel than my new XL frame trail bike god damn (trek fuel EX 140F/130R). That aside those are some serious bikes designed for kids and I support getting more people into the sport.
@luisd7706
@luisd7706 4 года назад
Trek Roscoe 24 + VEE 2.8 Enduro Tubeless Wheels + SunTour XCM30, TekTro Hydraulic front, and rear + 680 MM Bontrager Handle Bar, Box 65mm stem + 32T Crank BB + Zee Shifter + 10 speed Zee DH Derailleur + 100mm KS Dropper + Nukeproof carbon seat, Crankbrothers Pedals = $1200.00 - minus sold stock parts = $200.00.
@jonaoss7349
@jonaoss7349 4 года назад
Great video
@Ricochetmex
@Ricochetmex 4 года назад
Commencal is such a cool brand! And thats the info I was looking for 10:53, that if I ever buy a balance bike for my future kid I will be able to use it too haha
@ariefdermawan9121
@ariefdermawan9121 Год назад
Best thing I ever bought
@shanesejones8490
@shanesejones8490 4 года назад
@Global Mountain Bike Network Thanks guys..I don't have children yet, but I'm saving this to my GMBN list
@tinachen9728
@tinachen9728 2 года назад
I use to have a bike with extra training wheels to get my balance I enjoy riding it until I was six and then i told mum I have to take it off for a event at school, because it’s embarrassing with training wheels on , so my mum spent time with me to ride a bike I didn’t fall off it while I was learning to ride it on the second attempt I got it straight away it was fun.
@psabby2970
@psabby2970 4 года назад
Aha Lucas is probably already way faster than me lol. Big up Neil!
@uthmanhaque734
@uthmanhaque734 4 года назад
I have a 24” specialized status grom
@johnmt06
@johnmt06 4 года назад
Nice Vid!🤟
@gmbn
@gmbn 4 года назад
Thanks John! 👊
@mallillinrjkaylec.6413
@mallillinrjkaylec.6413 4 года назад
1:58 send it tires!
@gmbn
@gmbn 4 года назад
SEND IT! 🤘
@dpugh39
@dpugh39 4 года назад
Bought my boy a 20"scott scale and it's been brilliant. So good I'm getting him a scott scale 24" for xmas :)
@judechandler5102
@judechandler5102 4 года назад
can you buy me a bike for Christmas?
@dpugh39
@dpugh39 4 года назад
Jude Chandler No😂😂
@judechandler5102
@judechandler5102 4 года назад
@@dpugh39 Damn! ;)
@DARKSILVERTHOR170
@DARKSILVERTHOR170 4 месяца назад
Nice Vid
@mrfunnyman8244
@mrfunnyman8244 4 года назад
If ur parents get this for you, you are a lucky person
@06wv
@06wv 4 года назад
These all seem still fairly heavy. The woom off 4 is 16 pounds for a 20 inch bike. I think weight is more important than suspension forks at this point so that is probably the way I am going for my 6 year old. When she is a little older and up to 24 inch wheels I will get one of these full suspensions. looks like they have great components for kids
@keeganfuller2185
@keeganfuller2185 4 года назад
Yessss I have been needing this👍
@Icamas
@Icamas 4 года назад
So rad
@peterides9568
@peterides9568 4 года назад
My boy is getting to be quite good on his Cruzee balance bike, and Commencal seem to be the only brand in the Australian market that actually do proper kid's bikes. My wife will not appreciate the $500 pricetag, but young sir may end up with a Ramones 14 at some point in the future...
@MrLuvFlorida
@MrLuvFlorida 4 года назад
Nice Vid...
@birdskullmtb177
@birdskullmtb177 4 года назад
i am 13 and i ride an adult bike but i still like riding a smaller bike thanks for the kids content
@samuelluevano919
@samuelluevano919 4 года назад
Haha I ride trails on my mongoose Walmart bike and I really want I good bike and these kids have a lifetime supply of amazing bikes.My dream is to get a good hardtack and go hard without fear of breaking
@Antjan46
@Antjan46 4 года назад
Balance Bike World Champs?!! Woah cool!! Let's see a Pro Bike Check with some of the young champions !!
@sararose7296
@sararose7296 4 года назад
C’mon the rei co op drt 24 is so good my son loves it
@gunnarholm7688
@gunnarholm7688 4 года назад
Balance bikes are the best rhing after sliced bread. My kids used balance bikes and when they started pedeling at age 3-4 it only took 10-15 minutes before they handled it perfectly.
@brandonbarker3006
@brandonbarker3006 4 года назад
How about a video of when its time to change a kid from a hard tail to a full suspension bike? My five year old has been riding a spawn Yama Jama for 2 years at the ski hills in BC. This year he's been riding technical blue trails and you can really see he needs a full suspension bike because of sore hands and the rear tire bouncing all over the place. I am a little concerned with BB heights on the 20" full suspension bikes on technical trails and have heard mixed reviews. Any experience?
@jamiehunter91
@jamiehunter91 4 года назад
Very nice bikes, some real quality components on these, but those SRAM 'grip shift' shifters, genuinely took me by surprise. They are the cheapest nastiest shifters I have ever seen, the slot for changing cables on them looks like a piece of the body of the shifter broken off. Retail for one of these is about £8, on a bike at this price I don't see why these where chosen for the spec list. The action on these shifters are also awful and getting into lower gears for little hands is a real struggle, sometimes even for adults lol. The absolute best in this price category is the Shimano revoshift (retail around £10), I manage quite a big chain bike shop, we often end up changing out shifters for tiny hands. Any way just dropping my thoughts! Great video as always, really cool to see these mini shredders lined up and get a run down. Can't wait until my daughters old enough to be my MTB buddy!
@Treefrogging
@Treefrogging 4 года назад
right pain not having 26 inch wheels, i have to go with 27 on my 9 year old , hope it fits ok going with trek roscoe 6 to start with
@Red_Keeper
@Red_Keeper 4 года назад
You son looks so confused and its soo cute
@harveybarton7911
@harveybarton7911 4 года назад
Billys a badass
@SimonBauer7
@SimonBauer7 2 года назад
you know what is interesting? i went from a single speed puky bike to some blue off brand one with 3 hub gears to some white focus bike with a 7speed hub to a trek 3500 disc with 3x7 to a haibike sduro hardnine emtb with 1x10. never had a regular non e adult bike. just stopped riding for a few years and then got the old emtb from my dad who got a new sduro for cheap like 300€. neither did i have a 3x adult bike.
@PugadBavboy
@PugadBavboy 4 года назад
0:35 those struggles are so real even today still cant afford a known brand of fullsus or even hardtail mtb still enjoy what i can afford a mtb with unknown brand probably came from china or wherever in the far east.
@ap1reviewsadventures96
@ap1reviewsadventures96 4 года назад
Soap _ lol why so poor? How about try a bit harder in life. Get your money up little man.
@tankizoltan1752
@tankizoltan1752 4 года назад
@@ap1reviewsadventures96 I think it's a bad idea to go crazy about MTB and leave all other sports out. There's so much more to explore.
@money6751
@money6751 4 года назад
ive never had a balance bike and just started off learning on a normal bike
@anderskjrsgaard9262
@anderskjrsgaard9262 4 года назад
My brother used to be on a balance bike. And then one Day he just hopped on My cousins bike without training wheel and then he has never used the balance bike since
@j4m35doc9
@j4m35doc9 4 года назад
Fair do's at 9:52 that kid was giving it full send! Looked like he'd been fired out of a canon.
@gmbn
@gmbn 4 года назад
He was sending it! 🚀
@wthxrsh
@wthxrsh 4 года назад
When you make a challenge video, can you add BEHIND THE SCENES or Bloopers video, Just like how Fabio Wibmer makes!
@MrBignick88
@MrBignick88 4 года назад
my first bike was a hand me down from my cousin
@wii_music_intensifies9023
@wii_music_intensifies9023 4 года назад
I wish these were available when I was a kid
@Mububban23
@Mububban23 4 года назад
Me too, but there's no way my parents could have afforded a bike like that!
@MilatovichFamily
@MilatovichFamily 4 года назад
I don't like kids much, don't mind if others have them. But damn, wish we had such awesome bikes 30 years ago! I agree with Nail, we had BMX bikes(those who's parents had more money, otherwise they had only Pony bikes - google them, they still malke them, but they are way more expensive as they used to be),
@enoll218
@enoll218 4 года назад
I’m jealous that these kids bikes have better components then my budget xc
@mallillinrjkaylec.6413
@mallillinrjkaylec.6413 4 года назад
No 26er bikes?
@STsimracing
@STsimracing 3 года назад
I have the commencal meta junior
@pedrojimenez2674
@pedrojimenez2674 4 года назад
Jjj i have one el camino changge the fork serie and add a manitou Marvel ,is a BEST ,Whit a agressor maxxis
@tinachen9728
@tinachen9728 2 года назад
Back in my mum day they didn’t have kids bike they had to ride adult bikes at it looks hard to use when you are about six and your tire around 12 inches I think in circle dimensions.
@migatron1
@migatron1 4 года назад
Got a chain guard but not disc brake guard ?
@chimney13
@chimney13 4 года назад
Bmw has super balance kids bike 14 inch you Can upgrade it to normal pedal bike. And Its super light under 7 kg.
@donovan_dcruz9435
@donovan_dcruz9435 4 года назад
I’m 5 foot 2 and I ride medium size 29 inch wheels
@Koval_71_chuk
@Koval_71_chuk 3 года назад
My 10yr old daughter is 5’2 & I’m racking my brain on wether to get a YOUTH GT Stomper Pro 26 or Women’s GT Aggressor (15 XS ). Any recommendations? Thanks
@anon1488_
@anon1488_ 2 года назад
I'm 13 thank you
@jamimoilanen637
@jamimoilanen637 4 года назад
Do you know what type is a nakamura shadow26 as/action series
@DylanPoulsen
@DylanPoulsen 4 года назад
dam those kids are talented they will shred so hard when their older.👍
@DylanPoulsen
@DylanPoulsen 4 года назад
@@Mububban23 same here🤣
@DavidMiguelMurta
@DavidMiguelMurta 4 года назад
For a 20" kids bike what is the correct crank length? I'm looking for a bike for my son and I found lengths from 114mm to 150mm.
@mirianamatei9123
@mirianamatei9123 2 года назад
Me as a kid i think you should do another video because most kids dont have 3600 dollars laying around for a commencal or if they do they have a budget made by their parents
@loftyfilius1792
@loftyfilius1792 4 года назад
You and Blake should do a kids riding vid with tour little shreadders
@aleclesemann1616
@aleclesemann1616 2 года назад
I am 10 years old, And I have a bike but the wheel broke so as the innertube Will a TREK precaliber 20 7-speed for my size (48 inches)
@smartcookie1013
@smartcookie1013 4 года назад
That kid is good 👍
@gmbn
@gmbn 4 года назад
Yea, they were shredding! 🤘👊
@stephenlord599
@stephenlord599 4 года назад
Probably the most overlooked question is “what do you ride?” Buy a bike with the correct geo and travel for that or if you ride diverse stuff then more than 1 bike. Ignore anyone that tells you ‘kids can’t do ...” then says “so they don’t need”. Stick them on a decent bike forget to tell them kids can’t and they will outdo 90% of adults very quickly. (I’ve truly lost count of the number of times I’ve heard ... he/she can’t climb that or he/she can’t descend that only for them to trash the adult saying it. ) #kidsmtb etc and you quickly see they can. Get ‘fall back panic response ’ dialled in or out from day 1... for example 1 finger braking. Don’t think it will be easy to address later, it won’t because when you REALLY need it it’s autonomous... and when they really need as strong a grip as possible they will revert to 2 finger... just ditch any levers/brakes they can’t use 1 finger from day 1. XT are good due to short levers + bite point adjust, SLX also work but you need to replace the security screw to adjust bite point. (Better to replace or bleeding is a right pain) You might also want to consider the mess a 5yr old can make bleeding and if you want them playing with DOT fluid. Whilst on that they aren’t going to benefit from 130mm grips, starting off you can get 90mm... this also helps brake placement... if you go barmount you can also switch the shifter outside the brakes. Almost any hydraulic has the stopping power for a kids weight , even now mine is 10 and riding an adult frame he’s only got 180/160 rotors and that’s only because his forks are native 180mm. Next panic response ... they come to a scary steep descent there are 2 responses, feet off pedals or on... its not rocket science to guess which one balance bikes condition. If they are pedalling get an appropriate crank length. Although 20’s are generally OK 24ers rarely have appropriate length cranks. Most manufacturers accountants seem to think 155 is fine as their procurement dept tells them they can buy from one of their main distributors. Whilst on cranks ... pedals and shoes... since you can’t buy clipless shoes until adult sizes proper pins and shoes are essential if you want to avoid injury from feet slipping. Mine still can’t get clipless shoes so he’s yet to have the option... it’s also worth considering the change in Q factor from pedals.
@Stimpy125
@Stimpy125 4 года назад
Please, look at the OFF Models from woombikes! They really got the geometry right for little rippers. It looks like the commercial bikes didn't really fit the young riders in the video.
@nixxgg
@nixxgg 4 года назад
What parts of the bike you based the measurements? I'm a small man standing at 5'1". What size of Mountain bike fit for me?
@empathy7503
@empathy7503 4 года назад
I'm 14 and a small rider. I just moved to a full sized adult YT Jeffsy with 160mm Fox 36 as my old bike was much too small. Is there any way to setup the fork specifically for low-weight riders? I run such a low psi, my fork travel is less that 160mm and is more like 130-140psi. Is there any way to get full travel on my fork and still achieve the same feel/sag? Cheers
@izaakhope1988
@izaakhope1988 4 года назад
When I was much younger my dad would carry me and my push bike up the hill and then he would just put me on it and let me go, and damn it was fun !!!
@harrythorpe4845
@harrythorpe4845 4 года назад
These are some grom bikes pretty sick😳😳😳😳😳😳
@legendaryskatemaster3602
@legendaryskatemaster3602 4 года назад
Where did you get the bikes from
@hannes7024
@hannes7024 4 года назад
Would be awesome if you guys could make the same video, but with helmets.
@Spectalim
@Spectalim 4 года назад
I am a kid and I’m wondering what bike to get. I chose to try and get the Norco Fluid FS 4.2