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How to Fight Every Class With the Dragon's Fury (And Win!) [TF2] 

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an in-depth guide to using Pyro's best primary (yes, i'm serious)
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uncle dane's video - • How To Fight Every Cla...
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0:00 - intro
2:35 - vs scout
5:15 - vs soldier
8:32 - vs pyro
12:16 - vs demoman
15:17 - vs heavy
17:36 - vs engineer
19:54 - vs medic
23:24 - vs sniper
26:45 - vs spy
28:31 - conclusion

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@oousan58
@oousan58 2 года назад
(Not) Fun fact: If you're lucky and your opponent's system isn't good, he'll experience up to single digit fps drops every time you fire.
@42_violets
@42_violets 2 года назад
Can confirm. I have a pretty low end PC and I drop frames so badly I can't do anything whenever the DF fires on screen
@AnnaSue81
@AnnaSue81 2 года назад
@@42_violets skill issue
@cmagp4056
@cmagp4056 2 года назад
@@42_violets PC issue
@Glass_eyed_bot
@Glass_eyed_bot 2 года назад
the dragon's fury a.k.a "the laginator "
@fabrix199
@fabrix199 2 года назад
it's not as bad as with against the phlog
@nopenope1948
@nopenope1948 2 года назад
I’ve always found interesting how the dragon’s fury completely flips the pyro match ups. Heavies and engineers, which usually completely shut you out, are now some of your best match ups, and traditionally easy match ups like soldier and demoknight are much harder.
@kek2433
@kek2433 Год назад
@@andybogdan4380 but should you engage a heavy at mid range with any class
@kek2433
@kek2433 Год назад
@@andybogdan4380 the sniper one has a point but the dragon’s fury can still focus fire or peek
@leontrotsky6430
@leontrotsky6430 Год назад
@@kek2433 scout
@eclecticspaghetti
@eclecticspaghetti 2 года назад
as a longtime dragon’s fury main, my power grows with every lister video. thank you for your service.
@tailsmonster12
@tailsmonster12 2 года назад
Akechi more like Acoochie
@OkieDokieSmokie
@OkieDokieSmokie 2 года назад
I came here to say "longtime? It's only been out for like..." and then the flashbacks came....
@eclecticspaghetti
@eclecticspaghetti 2 года назад
@@OkieDokieSmokie it’s ok, we’ve all been there.
@starmii5955
@starmii5955 2 года назад
I would use it too if it didn't flash your screen every time it fired :(
@durandus676
@durandus676 Год назад
@@OkieDokieSmokie same it’s been nearly 5 years
@purplehaze2358
@purplehaze2358 2 года назад
I love how hyper specific this video is. It’s not just a class matchup like so many others, it’s a singular class-specific item exclusively.
@theadministrator.6632
@theadministrator.6632 Год назад
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@Drallicat
@Drallicat Год назад
really goes to show just how much the dragon's fury changes up the way you fight as pyro lol
@AphoticGoblin
@AphoticGoblin Год назад
pyroshark guide when
@huyphan7825
@huyphan7825 11 месяцев назад
Sadly a base "How to beat every class as Pyro video" wouldn't be as fun. It would just be 13 minutes of lister telling you to hold down the left mouse button with the stock flamethrower equipped.
@purplehaze2358
@purplehaze2358 11 месяцев назад
​@@huyphan7825 Eh... not really? A third of the entire roster hard counters pyros which don't use their brains.
@toastwalrus
@toastwalrus 2 года назад
I'd love to know the guy at valve who looked at several wooden shields and was like "yeah, these should give the demoman magic immunity to fire"
@junkmail103
@junkmail103 2 года назад
Tf2 devs making weapons to single out one class (I fucking hate you sniper)
@im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username
@im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username 2 года назад
Two wooden shields and one wooden nautical steering wheel
@beartheconfused6798
@beartheconfused6798 2 года назад
How does a backpack heal you from a bullet or some times a rocket.
@fauxparadox
@fauxparadox 2 года назад
I always thought the high speed was enough to extinguish the flames. Very stupid and annoying but if I blow on a candle it'll still go out
@toastwalrus
@toastwalrus 2 года назад
@@fauxparadox The damage resists. Not the running.
@joe_youtube
@joe_youtube 2 года назад
I didn’t realize the Dragon’s Fury was actually good. This really makes me wanna try to pick it up and even main pyro
@sn0ipe333
@sn0ipe333 2 года назад
Use the shotgun instead
@Kono-QWERTY
@Kono-QWERTY 2 года назад
Monokusus?
@scotterboi9
@scotterboi9 2 года назад
I used to be a scout/engie main, as I found anything other than the shotgun pretty hard to aim. But just after a month or two, I'm consistently owning players with this weapon. Except soldiers. Damn them.
@sn0ipe333
@sn0ipe333 2 года назад
@@scotterboi9 dragon's fury is a fun but situational weapon that provides all the benefits your shotgun already provides to you.
@pluggothesluggo5509
@pluggothesluggo5509 2 года назад
@@sn0ipe333 the biggest advantage a dragon's fury has over a shotgun is superior range , no bullet spread no reload and higher dps (if you can hit lol)
@interrobang5785
@interrobang5785 2 года назад
23:53 Would like to add something here-while keeping the powerjack out continuously is definitely a bad idea when crossing a sniper sightline, i’ve found that erratically switching between your powerjack and another weapon while crossing in front of a sniper is a great idea. The constant change in your movement speed really throws off their aim.
@inkyjonin5341
@inkyjonin5341 2 года назад
Yeah, I've found this works with the overdose and medic too. Changing speed or direction even a little can throw off a sniper
@maxhadanidea
@maxhadanidea 2 года назад
pyro:does this sniper:what in the actual fuck is he doing * misses 5 shots * *oh*
@emeraldmann1329
@emeraldmann1329 Год назад
@@maxhadanidea Don't worry, if you're bad enough at sniper, you'll miss 5 shots even with a constant movement! Source: I'm bad at sniper
@sinom_00
@sinom_00 2 года назад
really feels like the dragon's fury epitomizes the highly aggressive, fast-paced frontline playstyle that pyro always *tried* to fit
@ZaTrapu
@ZaTrapu 2 года назад
What weapon is most like the dragon's fury is the direct hit: -both reward you with lots of damage but punish you for missing -both are fast -both demand a great amount of skill -dh has more heavy hitting slow firing projectile while df has weak then strong hitting rapid fire projectile. Like a mini pekka and regular pekka. Both hit hard but one is faster while the other hits harder
@keller_3180
@keller_3180 2 года назад
Nah
@keller_3180
@keller_3180 2 года назад
It’s more accurate to the loose canon
@ZaTrapu
@ZaTrapu 2 года назад
@@keller_3180 not really as loose canon requires timing while DF requires aim landing direct hits like the direct hit
@keller_3180
@keller_3180 2 года назад
@@ZaTrapu honestly you were right I just felt like being an asshole
@sum_nerd6743
@sum_nerd6743 2 года назад
@@keller_3180 based
@engine4403
@engine4403 2 года назад
it is a testament to how good Danes videos are when he's practically printed the format of how to talk about tf2 into everyone
@catke590
@catke590 2 года назад
You know, even if this isn't performing as well as your previous video, I still love the your dedication on creating this. I think the DF still needs time so settle as a more beloved weapon for the players, it deserves it. You're a doing a good job!
@scotterboi9
@scotterboi9 2 года назад
It inspired me to try it out, after 3 years as a loyal scout/engie main.
@themaninblack08
@themaninblack08 2 года назад
DF is way too situational to be called pyro's best flamethrower. It certainly isn't trash, and it's good when you have good aim, but the grotesque airblast delay means that in a theoretical 1 v 1 scenario, where the other player has equal aim and awareness to yours, soldiers, demos, and heavies should consistently win unless you get the jump on them at point blank. While with scouts and stock/degreaser pyros, it'll likely be a even match/mutual kill. Soldiers just need time their rockets to your airblast or firing speed, and demo can do the same or place a single sticky to space you away since airblasting it or clearing it will give an opening to 2 pipe you. Heavy versus DF pyro is the same textbook as versus a very good scout: prefire to suppress their corner peaking, avoid following them into areas where they can jump you, and if you're getting owned, put away the Tomislav and take out the Natascha to make them regret existence.
@puddin555
@puddin555 2 года назад
This comment goes hard
@amiablereaper
@amiablereaper Год назад
Can confirm, tried corner peeking a heavy, they had nat, I regretted my existence.
@mada2774
@mada2774 7 месяцев назад
Eh. 1v1ing soldiers as the DF pyro is essentially even once you get the hang of it. Your DPS is bigger than theirs, so stay at a medium range and jump to take smaller amounts of splash damage and win. Demos can now be directly contested in their prefferred range. It should be nited that Demos beat almost every class if they get to place a sticky in netween them and the opponent, the shtick is to close the gap before that happens. Admittedly, an uneven matchup, but considering actual game scenarios, it's more likely than you think. In both of these scenarios, airblast is an ace in the hole that can be used to flip the script. Heavy is an interesting case. You can corner peek, shimmy around, jump over his crosshair if you have high ground, surf away, or simply rush at him while he's not looking. The heavy's win condition against you is the same as every other class: look at you for a few seconds straight. The difference the Dragon's Fury makes in this interaction is allowing you to BULLDOZE him in 2 seconds flat, putting pressure on his execution. If you can shoot the pyro nonetheless, congrats! You are in the 5%. Everybody else struggles to edge out a win. The Dragon's Fury, like any Pyro primary, needs good defensive movement to be used well. To pick a fight, any fight, without this, is a fool's errand. TL;DR: Fight enemies on YOUR terms. YOU are killing THEM, act accordingly. Move where they can't shoot, and blast them quick. Sidenote: The Dragon's Fury has one of the highest DPS values in the game. 177 is nothing to scoff at. Plus, the bottomless clip ensures you can simply keep blasting. Try the Krampus map, and just slam him with damage. It's easy to hit the 800s in 10 seconds of damage output, where most weapons would reload, need a special condition, or simply not be able to deal all that.
@themaninblack08
@themaninblack08 7 месяцев назад
@@mada2774 I pretty much prefaced the comment with the "the other player has equal aim and awareness to yours" thing so that we didn't get into the argument of if a weapon is good because you can win against typical pub trash with it. The issue with DF against a good soldier is that at the range where DF excels, it usually gives solly the option of just jumping away unless you've basically caught him at a corner with a low ceiling. Stock/Degreaser have much more ability to prevent him from escaping via airblasting to mess up his movement, as well as at a minimum not dying in the deathmatch. As I see it a skilled pyro with stock/degreaser is very likely to at least not die to an equally skilled shotgun-less soldier, while the DF gives up the not dying part for the fast kill speed *if* the solly chooses to not jump away. Meaning that if the pyro is in disadvantage the stock/degreaser is significantly better and the DF is pretty bad, while the DF is situationally better when the pyro is in advantage if the solly can't run away. The inability to keep your team safe from explosive spam is another issue for the DF, but that's irrelevant to the deathmatch topic. Heavy farms pyro on pretty much any flamethrower if he is semi competent and isn't caught unware and unrevved. You don't follow the pyro like a lemming when you know he can corner peek you. If you do need to take the corner, just keep pre firing it while doing a long peek so that if he pokes around the corner he's already taking damage before he knows where to aim and he isn't juking your crosshair at point blank range. If this puts the heavy player in the top 5% of the playerbase, it's more of an indication of the playerbase's skill than the DF's merits. If the other team looks like fresh installs then by all means use DF on their heavies, but against a skilled heavy the matchup is still highly unfavored regardless of the flamethrower that is picked. The correct move for the pyro, DF or not, is running away to his team before the heavy rounds the corner.
@mada2774
@mada2774 7 месяцев назад
@@themaninblack08 1: The solly jumping away counts as a win for him? Wouldn't it mean he gave up ground? 2: Airblast can only prevent a soldier from jumping away if there's structures to help him, otherwise he's opening himself up for attack, while increasing the soldier's distance from him. Therefore, wouldn't the DF also excel when there's structeres to impede movement? 3: Heavy takes more aim than the DF, especially in closer ranges. Have you EVER seriously tried mowing down a DF pyro on your skill level? It's very hard. Besides, revving up is an objective part of heavy's class structure, and ignoring it implies that a heavy will ALWAYS be ready for an encounter, which he will not. If both players surprise each other, the DF wins. If both know they're there, it's a 50/50 whether the Heavy can get a good position to avoid corner peeking, strafing, etc. Also, you seem to ignore the fact that a Heavy has a smaller and faster target to hit than the Pyro. If both can aim equally well, then, objectively, the Pyro's job is easier, no?
@RoseSupreme
@RoseSupreme 2 года назад
Guys, I get the feeling that maybe, just maybe, and hear me out on this one, okay? Okay. That this guy loves Smash 64.
@dgfjdfgjfdgjfdgjfdgjfdgj
@dgfjdfgjfdgjfdgjfdgjfdgj 2 года назад
My fears have been unleashed, people now know the dragon's fury is a good weapon and people will use it more often now...
@vinnyandlin8510
@vinnyandlin8510 Год назад
But then I would have never found my wife
@ayfairenough7336
@ayfairenough7336 2 года назад
23:04 the pain on this is immeasurable
@vyor8837
@vyor8837 2 года назад
God I wish it would get nerfed...
@danyakurachianimeartinandr50
@danyakurachianimeartinandr50 2 года назад
Im hate thoses demos who left the medics alone :( Especially soldiers who don't care looking behind hear medic in pain.
@HurricaneBady
@HurricaneBady 2 года назад
This flamethrower is so underrated!! I Like useing it sometimes and the DPS it can pump out is amazing. I remember melting a pocketed heavy once, all by my own. The heavy was shocked, to put it lightly.
@bigbear1045
@bigbear1045 2 года назад
Because of my great skill, my aim usually depends on luck, but that whole week of dying, rage quiting and crying in a corner was definitely worth that one lucky day when i destroyed everything and everyone in my path, absolutely carriyng my whole team and earning the trust of 2 pocket medics at once, which for me, never happens. Thank you for your videos, they made me go back to pyro after a year long break, and this playstyle is more fun than anything a pyro can do, aside from not missing a single airblast for an entire round. The dragon's fury, the scorch shot and the backscratcher is my favourite pyro loadout after watching your videos, so once again, thanks for making 'em. Hope to see more!
@user-25352
@user-25352 Год назад
wait pocket medics with backscratcher?
@vinnyandlin8510
@vinnyandlin8510 Год назад
Man you had me until you mentioned the scorch shit
@bigbear1045
@bigbear1045 Год назад
@@vinnyandlin8510 eh, its okay if you don't use it for spam, just for combos
@GabrielAidley
@GabrielAidley Месяц назад
Word salad
@IamDrDapper
@IamDrDapper 2 года назад
Great work as always! You are definetly one of if not the most underrated Tf2-tuber.
@DramaticDetective
@DramaticDetective 2 года назад
Excellent video, you've given me a real incentive here to start learning the Dragon's Fury. I know full well that it does incredible burst damage, but the fact that you need to make direct hits gives it a daunting learning curve that I never really felt was worth the effort; however, after you demonstrated in the video how quickly it bursts down heavies, I owe it to myself to try something new.
@joe____
@joe____ Год назад
I'm really happy an in depth guide for the Dragon's Fury exists out there, and from a place of extensive experience too. I'm a hardcore Pyro player, but I've never been able to get behind the DF until recently because of how different it feels from the other flamethrowers. This'll help a ton in my first forays into the weapon.
@Toopys
@Toopys 2 года назад
You did a really good job with this video, I love the editing!
@Gamemaster64
@Gamemaster64 2 года назад
Real, I see.
@plastiktuten3866
@plastiktuten3866 2 года назад
Toopy sighting!
@supremechaosbeing2696
@supremechaosbeing2696 5 месяцев назад
I love this video and I love the music picks. dragon's fury really is just an advanced form of clicking targets
@Orthros
@Orthros 2 года назад
11:10 this concept of playing around a Pyro's airblast timing is so underrated, not just for the DF, but for every projectile class, especially Soldier. Glad to see someone mentioning it!
@OmegaRC59
@OmegaRC59 2 года назад
It's really not underrated, play Gunboats or Banner soldier and you will have this concept drilled into your head mercilessly by good pyros lmao
@purplehaze2358
@purplehaze2358 2 года назад
“Even if you don’t have the scorch shot equipped” In other words, even if you like people other than you having fun.
@bioniclelegend7
@bioniclelegend7 2 года назад
Was not expecting actual guide on the dragons fury and I think this was really good. I have always viewed as a joke weapon but now with these better ideas of how to use it I will try it more. I am also 100% only using it with a shotgun as it just seems way better than restricting myself to fire.
@noahlibaba812
@noahlibaba812 2 года назад
As someone who started using the DF 24/7 on Pyro you basically said everything that I've learned , Scouts are real pain to deal with. Shotgun and Panic Attack are really good but personally I'd say the Shotgun is better when the map is more open or approching the ennemy is more difficult and the Panic Attack is better on more closed map or approching the ennemy is easier. As for the Reserve Shooter I'd say it's actually quite a good option with the DF , the mini crits on airborn ennemies can come handy when dealing with Soldier due to the slow airblast. Plus it does the same damage as the Shotgun and come faster at the cost of 4 shots instead of 6. The Detonator is well my third favorite option and my go to secondary when playing 5CP. I don't know your opinion about the Backstracher but those two pair so well together that is kinda insane. Essentially if you use those two on 5CP you become a roamer , the self damage of the Detonator is offset by the bonus heal from health pack that the Backstracher offer. With this set I find myself ending on the frontline at the same time as Scouts , plus the Crusader Crossbow ignore the downside of less heals receive from Medic. Meaning that the only downside that the Backstracher has is ignored by a weapon used by 90% of Medics.
@keyzeyy1958
@keyzeyy1958 2 года назад
Added bonus of the backscratcher is that it can help build uber faster
@BeepBoopBee
@BeepBoopBee Год назад
I managed to get my hands on one within my first week of playing and immediately tried it out. Immediately preferred it. Thank you for the guide on how to get better with it!
@huntish3760
@huntish3760 2 года назад
YOOO! I'M HERE FROM PATREON!
@leoverycool4853
@leoverycool4853 2 года назад
very excited to bounce around with this thing
@01eksii
@01eksii Год назад
the amount of scorch shot recommendations is uncanny
@noah-ux2cz
@noah-ux2cz Год назад
Great job! You really know your stuff when it comes to this weapon.
@chickennugget6684
@chickennugget6684 2 года назад
i once ubered someone who is beyond cracked with the dragon's fury. the destruction was glorious.
@orange0666
@orange0666 3 месяца назад
Dragon's fury ubers are on an entire other level of utter destruction
@fatherWolt
@fatherWolt Год назад
I used the knowledge from this video against you on Coldfront and our team won. You've created a monster. -Father
@Towig93
@Towig93 9 месяцев назад
also a good side effect is that it makes backburner straight upgrade from stock when you get comfortable with drangonsfury airblast management.
@hdouirgzz9m687
@hdouirgzz9m687 2 года назад
whoever made the sound effects for it definitely knew how to make a weapon sound powerful
@KudosK42
@KudosK42 2 года назад
I love the SMB64 style of the video. Also; great video on one of the most underrated weapons.
@seanvich3857
@seanvich3857 2 года назад
I’m digging the old school Smash Bros. style. Good work!
@sleepywitches
@sleepywitches 9 месяцев назад
ever since I unlocked it, it became my main weapon on pyro, it's really fun to use and so satisfying whenever you get kills, however sometimes it felt really bad but now knowing this things, it makes sense and I learned a lot, thanks for the video, it was a really good one, definitely helped!!
@GCB-2008
@GCB-2008 Год назад
Thanks. Now I'll use all this information to help me complete a single contract I should have finished a long time ago.
@instntpot
@instntpot 2 года назад
lister is my favorite dragon’s fury youtuber
@danmercer1171
@danmercer1171 2 года назад
That Smash 64 sound bit hit me so hard in the nostalgia's, thank you.
@giserson2
@giserson2 2 года назад
Great editing and music choice.
@Orang3Eric
@Orang3Eric Год назад
I might use it more thanks to this guide
@PepperoniMilkshake
@PepperoniMilkshake Год назад
Pyro is one of my favorite classes and I usually just pull out this weapon against the Heavy matchup but I can tell it is way more versatile than that. Might just give it a go!
@Fpsyop
@Fpsyop 2 года назад
Nice video again, keep it cool bro!
@vibes_4225
@vibes_4225 2 года назад
thank you for this guide on my fav weapon
@RecklessBucket
@RecklessBucket Год назад
I've been maining pyro and the dragon's fury since the first time i got it, seeing this video is gonna make me feel even more powerful and i thank you for that!
@violet35-
@violet35- 14 дней назад
This vid convinced me to use the Panic Attack with the Dragon's Fury which was surprisingly effective. There have been many instances where a hitscan secondary was much more reliable than flare guns, and it didn't affect my damage output in a negative way.
@soulovum
@soulovum 2 года назад
thanks i like your videos ill try the dragons fury again
@xandercastaneda8011
@xandercastaneda8011 2 года назад
Holy shit an actually good pyro tutorial on a new weapon? This is awesome
@blank4844
@blank4844 5 месяцев назад
"new"
@mythmakroxymore1670
@mythmakroxymore1670 Месяц назад
I basically only play backburner jetpack backscratcher… and hearing the sniper matchup made me tear up happily. It’s concise
@johnx140
@johnx140 2 года назад
The video had a melee style while Dane's one had a Ultimate one, lol! nice detail
@animeguy1633
@animeguy1633 Год назад
Its nice to see people finally learning that you can airblast the fireball
@altEFG
@altEFG 2 года назад
A well made video, good job
@yusufkaanpvogameplay5542
@yusufkaanpvogameplay5542 2 года назад
What items needed to craft this? Im curios to use this wiht some flares and da jetpack!
@hansonzhao5043
@hansonzhao5043 Год назад
Beautiful guide
@gianlayola9162
@gianlayola9162 2 года назад
Love your videos keep up your work man
@concorde9065
@concorde9065 2 года назад
This deserves more views, pretty comprehensive. I personally prefer the detonator for DF but shotguns are pretty much always good with any of his primaries (accept with the Phlog) so good to see them referenced. Also nice to see someone who isn't just a combo pyro shill. Keep er goin and I'll keep watching
@Luki-1331
@Luki-1331 Год назад
Dragon's fury looks so cool when you can *ACTUALLY SEE SOMETHING BESIDES LAG* -yours truly, Low End PC User
@TinyDeskEngineer
@TinyDeskEngineer 2 года назад
Ohhhh, so _that's_ what I was doing wrong. I was trying to fight every class with the Dragon's Fury and _lose._
@kamillatocha
@kamillatocha 2 года назад
will try tomorow
@xodehwhat5221
@xodehwhat5221 2 года назад
in the scout and heavy parts you mention the size of their hitboxes, but i was under the impression that projectiles in general just use the collision hull(which is the same for all classes) for deciding a hit. is this not the case for df? i don't really use it. or do the hitboxes come into play when deciding if the hit counts as a combo hit or not? please educate me i would love to know
@listertf2
@listertf2 2 года назад
nah that was a mistake on my part, scout and heavy use the same projectile hitbox. the center hit also uses this hitbox
@linusdickens4767
@linusdickens4767 2 года назад
I love how you were playing badcoastbarnward in the background
@linusdickens4767
@linusdickens4767 2 года назад
I also noticed barnblitz pro
@Seretheus
@Seretheus 2 года назад
This was such a great guide! I'll definitely be coming back to reference this!
@thesiIIiestgoose
@thesiIIiestgoose 9 месяцев назад
If there was a strange version of the dragon’s fury, lister would be well above hale’s own
@AutistRapper
@AutistRapper 2 года назад
Thanks dude
@spinomitegames9000
@spinomitegames9000 Год назад
This is the first time I've seen someone use the Reserve Shooter as intended.
@PetroklosZDM
@PetroklosZDM 2 года назад
Incredible video. You're the first person I've met with such in-depth understanding of the DF. Some additions: - It should be noted that in comparison to other Weapons, which tend to have a 50% or more damage loss from Maximum Ramp-Up to Maximum Fall-Off, the DF only has roughly 23%. This paired with its increased reach over Flames, makes it an incredibly stronger mid-range Weapon. - Two close-distance Shots against 125HP Classes, with no extinguishing or fire resistant shenanigans, will put them on death's door with enough Afterburn to seal the deal. At this point you could stop focusing on hitting a Combo Shot, or even stop firing at them completely, and focus solely on dodging, which can be a life saver against Scouts, Snipers and Spies. You could even be super cocky and just Taunt while they burn to death. - Good Scouts who've realized that you're able to consistently two-shot them, will try to harass you with chip damage using Pistols and/or Bleed DoTs. Using Flareguns can give you the upper hand in this chip-damage-fight. The Detonator is the most reliable to set them on fire with, the Flaregun can two-shot them, and the Scorch Shot is itself. - For Soldiers and Demomen, hitting the first DF Shot followed by a Combo Shot will deal enough Damage to potentially put them in panic mode, leading to predictable attack patterns. That's when you can reflect their Rockets/Pipes to seal the deal. A second DF Combo Shot would be more reliable, but if you're on low enough health that their posthumous Projectile Damage could end up killing you, a successful Reflect would both kill them and save you. - Due to the DF's Projectile not disappearing on Hit, enemy Pyros can Reflect it even AFTER it hits them, making the Flamethrower vs DF match-up even more biased towards Flamethrowers. - Flare -> DF Combo -> DF Combo deals more than enough Damage to kill Pyros, so if you've got any Flaregun on hand, tag the enemy Pyros with a Flare as you're approaching them to initiate fights with a DF Combo Shot rather than a normal one. It's hard to do, but provides a massive edge to the DF Pyro. - Heavy's large Hitboxes and Scout's small ones DON'T matter against the DF, as both its simple and combo shots are calculated based on the Enemy's Collision Hull, which is the same dimensions for all Classes. This is also partially why sometimes the DF hits its Combo when you wouldn't expect it to and vice versa, since Collision Hulls' rotation is locked to the Maps' axis and doesn't rotate with the Players' PoV. Here's a video showcasing that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YueLolwoLOs.html - Level 3 Sentries have 216HP, don't take (mini)Crit Damage and their Rockets deal 100 Damage. So it takes three Reflected Rockets to destroy them, not two. However, if you have any Damaging Secondary on you, you can fit in a Flare or a couple of Shotgun Shots while the Sentry is reloading its Rockets and deal that 16 extra Damage you'd need. - Dragon's Fury Pyros can make excellent Uber Targets to take down nests, be it by shredding the Sentries or kill the Wrangling Engineers through their Buildings. But it's imperative for the Medic to be leading the charge and be taking all of the Sentries' knockback, the Pyro won't ever reach them otherwise. - Man, fuck the Dangershield. I get why it has the Afterburn Immunity, it's a bandaid fix to how easy it is to apply 7.5 seconds of aim-flinching Afterburn with the Detonator and the Scorch Shot, but its 50% Damage Resistance is uncalled for and absolutely neuters the DF against them. Fuck that weapon. I have nothing of value to add here, just needed to vent. Again, great video. I can't fully agree that the DF is Pyro's best Primary, but it sure as hell rekindled my flame for Pyro and TF2. Regular Flames just don't satisfy me anymore lol.
@zuresei
@zuresei Год назад
what the fuck is that shit about the collision hull? why would it-!? valve...
@PetroklosZDM
@PetroklosZDM Год назад
@@zuresei Yeah, all Projectiles and AoEs calculate "hits" against Collision Hulls rather than Hitboxes. I really have no clue why. Maybe because it's computationally cheaper and TF2 needed that performance gain back in 2007. Maybe it's a design decision, as hitting Projectiles on a Scouts' Hitboxes would be so much incredibly harder to do. As for why Collision Hulls don't rotate with the Player's PoV but rather stay locked to the maps's orientation, I really don't fucking know. It just makes Projectiles up to 40% more likely to hit if you and your target are standing in the correct diagonal. And the Airblast has the exact same issue of not rotating with the Player's PoV, leading to misses on otherwise certain Reflects, or to Reflecting Projectiles that were nowhere near the intended area. It's a real mess. Just TF2 things I guess 🤷
@FGC_JohnDo
@FGC_JohnDo 2 года назад
What server you play on? I wanted to play on these maps but get screwed over with the generic maps
@vidiottheowl2825
@vidiottheowl2825 2 года назад
what is it with dead cone pyros and being absolute beasts with the dragon's fury?
@arxidiax2arxidiax276
@arxidiax2arxidiax276 2 года назад
Two tapping scouts with this gives the same instant dopamine as flare-critting them
@Wondereggguy
@Wondereggguy 2 года назад
I love this video and I haven’t even seen it yet!
@beetjegek6569
@beetjegek6569 2 года назад
finaly some one with actual taste in weapons
@user-zz3kg4co4f
@user-zz3kg4co4f Год назад
What do you do if the sniper is using the Darwin’s Danger Shield? I tried to fight him but he just melee me. 😅
@mr.e7420
@mr.e7420 2 года назад
how do you get to the walk way map
@kirbyfreakyt4695
@kirbyfreakyt4695 2 года назад
1:44 Okay, taking a guess real quick... Scout: Just takes two hits and some afterburn damage, but can also two shot or three shot you if you're not careful Soldier: Actually really dangerous now, but 4 hits will take him down and you can probably airblast at least once to finish him off. Pyro: You eat them for breakfast, except you'll probably need to be slightly more careful than just that DF Pyro: Nobody knows how to use this weapon lol. If they do though... Well, let's hope you're good at Scout duels. Demoman: DANGEROUS, like soldier. Kill him quickly... which you can. Heavy: Eaten for lunch. Engineer: If you have an uber, he will die fast and the piercing shots will kill him, too, even through his sentry. Medic: Uhhhhhh about 50/50. With uber, you can.... push him once I guess? So use it wisely. Without uber, he's probably one of the only classes that can stand up to you with his 195 damage melee and high movement speed Sniper: Spy: You eat him for dinner
@kirbyfreakyt4695
@kirbyfreakyt4695 Год назад
@@andybogdan4380 Shotgun is harder to hit than DF imo. And... why would you get into airblast range? Dragon's Fury has plenty of ra... *Wait can't DF shots be reflected...?* Heavies are undoubtedly easy prey if you're good at cornerpeeking and/or soften then up with a good Scorch Shot/Detonator flare first but... even SCOUT can take down a Heavy with 3 good shots from a stock scattergun as long as he doesn't have overheal... 75 x 4 = 300, and a Heavy on the battlefield probably will have taken hints of splash damage or stray bullets here and there anyways so you'll probably ALSO only have to hit 3 shots. And as for Spy... *PLEASE* stop treating the DF like a melee weapon. It is NOT the Caber. It's not like R.O.B. in Smash bros using Neutral Special without any charge You have LOTS of range. It's not as effective at hitting the spy, correct, but it does so much damage if you CAN hit your shots it's almost better.
@GavinsCold
@GavinsCold Год назад
“For the three people that actually use the thermal thruster” That one… that kinda stung lol
@Jeykit0
@Jeykit0 11 месяцев назад
Meet the Soldyro
@CrazyBoris06
@CrazyBoris06 2 года назад
An idea for another video is to do a secondary showcase for use with the dragon's fury. If the video is long enough you can just spilt it to 2 parts released a week or 2 apart
@morecrafty247
@morecrafty247 2 года назад
For unaware snipers taunt kill is always the funniest option
@athenajayvieljerios8343
@athenajayvieljerios8343 Год назад
The way l like the Play to dragons fury is to play like soldier using the detonator to flare jump and appear out of nowhere and either burn them into a Crisp or use the backscratcher for a two-hit kill.
@dombelly3343
@dombelly3343 Год назад
Do you have any more advice on fighting against soldiers?
@AnotherDaveMiller0
@AnotherDaveMiller0 2 года назад
I want to see the evolution of demoman
@Crust_Crease
@Crust_Crease 2 года назад
Very good video.
@vibes_4225
@vibes_4225 2 года назад
i agree with you about your opinion of the dragons fury
@stepver2273
@stepver2273 8 месяцев назад
dragon’s fury and panic attack seems like the best example of 2 bad weapons working together to make a good loadout
@namvutranngoc6945
@namvutranngoc6945 2 года назад
what's your opinion on using the dragon's fury with the shotgun compared to the panic attack?
@listertf2
@listertf2 2 года назад
stock shotgun is the best choice for dealing with the things that hard counter the Dragon's Fury (airblast spam, darwins danger shield, etc). you can pretty much never go wrong with it, though other secondaries can offer a lot more mobility/combo potential
@Marbl3Puppy
@Marbl3Puppy 2 года назад
great video, rly informative. i am curious, does shooting the feet of ubered players knock them back too? could be a good alternative to airblasting to stuff the uber
@listertf2
@listertf2 2 года назад
it does not
@Trainlover1995
@Trainlover1995 11 месяцев назад
The Dragon’s Fury has one fatal flaw: There’s no Strange variant.
@blacklight683
@blacklight683 2 года назад
I love using the panic attack on engineer/soldier/pyro it's soooo good
@UberGingah
@UberGingah 2 года назад
"how to win with the dragons fury: Use the scorch shot" Yea that checks out
@timjim-ks8gi
@timjim-ks8gi 3 месяца назад
When you get the df hits that have no recoil. Voila, that spikes my brain with dopamine as I deal half the enemies
@Agent1o1.
@Agent1o1. Год назад
Can you post the music used in the video? All of the mixes are really good
@jakerobbins5674
@jakerobbins5674 2 года назад
Love your vids
@jeff_-
@jeff_- 9 месяцев назад
me when watching thsi vid: WAIT U CAN AIRBLAST THE DRAGONS FURY!?! good vid btw
@goshoslovesyou2500
@goshoslovesyou2500 2 года назад
Damn that was helpful
@lancergt1000
@lancergt1000 Год назад
3:20 what about Dragons Fury + Detonator explosion, would that 2 shot light classes?
@overdramaticpan
@overdramaticpan 2 года назад
i'm starting to think this guy mains the dragon's fury
@watchingplants352
@watchingplants352 2 года назад
Now I can counter the dragons fiery with these tips. He he he
@bloopy273
@bloopy273 2 года назад
This was really entertaining to watch (dunno if that's the correct word)
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