@@tedseb7726 me too until I got this slider man. They’re the best, my father-in-law kicked the bucket and man all his nice torches came in handy…. also setting things on fire way easier now I don’t burn my thumb or anything…
This is a comment I make after having to deal with the after sale service from Xikar. This company takes it seriously. They replaced a faulty lighter I got from a oversea retailer. I wrote a number of unfair messages but the Xikar company was not to blame. That oversea shop was. Xikar made everything to solve the problem the very day they heard what was going on. In an attempt to restore some fairness here, I have to say they kindly listened to my rant when they could have simply sent me back to that shop. Instead; they took the problem on them and sent me a brand new lighter without judging my attitude. Be sure to buy straight from them. I thank you guys. My trust in your company is fully restored.
@@takearight. No, they didn't make a mistake. OP even said that it was the shop he purchased from, not Xikar. But he pressed them anyway, and wrote "a number of unfair messages".
High octane does not mean high power. It just means the fuel ignition is more controllable. This is great for engines but it makes no difference for a mechanism that just needs to burn the fuel (no timing involed). High octane is almost always a marketing gimmick
Wow, how mature. Octane is a fuel's resistance to compression, and therefore, it's resistance to engine knock. So no, a lighter fuel with a high octane rating has no benefit as the fuel doesn't need to compressed before ignition.
The higher the octane, the LESS flammable the fuel is. Look it up. This prevents pre-ignition or engine knock due to the fuel igniting too soon on the compression stroke.
@@mondegreene2838 Butane has an octane rating of 93 RON, 90 MON www.chemgapedia.de/vsengine/vlu/vsc/en/ch/2/vlu/alkane/alk_vorkommen.vlu/Page/vsc/en/ch/2/oc/stoffklassen/systematik_struktur/acyclische_verbindungen/gesaettigte_kohlenwasserstoffe/octanzahl/octanzahl.vscml.html
I bleed the tank every time I need to add fuel, but I've been holding my lighter upside down when I bleed the take. I will now hold it right side up as you showed us. Thank you for the education.
He showed two different ways to bleed the tank, not just one. You're supposed to hold it upside down when bleeding normally to bleed off any air (or propellant??) that's entered the lighter. Do it right side up only if you need to bleed off bad butane.
I had 5 non-functioning cigar lighters that would not respond to a refill. . . I followed your instructions with Xikar butane and they all work like new! Not all butane is created equal. Xikar butane rocks!
Pretty simple when you think of it. The bit I learned the most about was getting bad butane out of the lighter. I hadn't thought of righting the lighter upright first. Instead, I always tried to purge all the butane and propellant while upside down. Now I know why it seldom worked. Thanks!
This dude might be overselling his brand of butane but there is such a thing as inferior butane. "Bad" butane is just butane with more contaminants in it (generally oil). The contaminants leave deposits in your lighter and gum up the works which will obviously affect the flow of fuel. He is also right that putting butane through a distillation process will give you a more pure gas with less contaminants. That is all.
Would this XIKAR pure fine butane boost the performance of butane powered soldering irons looking at the ERSA 130 independent gas soldering iron one of the best and the most expensive nothing else even comes close to it 580 degrees Celsius for there solder tip 1200c to 1400c open blow torch and 700c hot air blower but will better butane increase the heat output price is £116 the cheapest I can see on hardware shops on eBay I saw one going for £144 fuck of that's a rip of for a industry standard high performance gas iron for the same 130watt gas iron there are so many good gas irons out there but if you want the best of the the best which will last maybe paying a price For the best model brand ERSA gas irons have a expensive tag but £116 not a bad price compared to the rip of price of £144 for it I I am buying a hobby grade radio controlled helicopter need something which won't take up room like most electric soldering stations plus its ownly a 20min job for tinning and soldering connectors and 10awg wire
@@jonathanoxlade4252 10 years later yeah the better the butane the better it’s gonna run and the cleaner it’s gonna be longer. It’s gonna last you still got that after 10 years that Saturday night still work?😂
I don't know why I was surprised to find out there are butane fanboys, made up of poseurs, haters & at least one guru they all look to for truth and spiritual guidance. I've been failing at trying to fill up refillables since the '70's when we had lines around the block for butane. I followed your method and I was successful for the first time in my life. Now I'm going to get started on filling the 63,000 or so empty lighters that have been piling up for the last 40 years.
I thought there was nothing left for me to learn about lighters. But I learnt a couple of decent things from this vid. I've always filled my lighters up, upside down. And I've always found that it's so much easier to fill up, if you can see the fluid line through the lighter. If you have a dark one for some reason I never trust that its full. Lol
Thank you for explaining why inverting the lighter is necessary (butane sinks, propellent rises). Now that I know what's going on, I'll be able to remember it.
first of all for those lighters that do not have a protective cap over there fill port valve i suggest to take a fine tool in order to clean any gunk, dirt or dust etc that is visible out of the inlet tube and second to purge it out a bit slowly while inverted using the air inside in order to clean the line before attempting to fill and this removes the air too,you can also press it a bit harder to purge liquid butane that will help clean it out and make sure your butane canister fill nozzle is clean as well if not you should purge all out before using the lighter that way any unwanted stuff might get the chance to be purged out before using and this is done by purging with lighter right side up , but i would recommend not to press hard on the butane canister when filling, all you need is a gentle slow press and you can see how quickly it fills it up doing it that way and no frosting or waitting for it to come to room temp nor will there be any back sputer from lighter or canister this saves both from damage of pressing hard like everyone does for some reason, if you got a good seal no need for that
Butane can't have an octane rating as octane is an 8-carbon chain hydrocarbon and butane is 4-carbon chain hydrocarbon. Also putting a fuel with a too high octane rating in an internal combustion engine is not recommended by most car makers
Thanks for this quick explanation. I have seen tips about emptying a lighter before refilling it but failed to understand what the point is. Like, there's air and fuel in the tank, whats the point of draining the fuel before refilling it? I failed to understand that theres also (inert) propellant being involved that may get to the tank over time and that will actually escape first when emptying the tank with the valve pointing up.
Very,very helpful. I only use Xikar butane,but I think that when the container gets so low it may not be as pure. I turned the lighter right side up to purge out the old butane. And after refilling with fresh,it ignites every time. Love the G2 lighter. Might have to try your copy of the Old Boy lighter in the near future.
Weird to me that butane would need a propellant, considering that its boiling point is right around 32F/0C, which means it should create its own pressure in temps above freezing.
I found out that if I unscrew the lil knob controlling the flame height, (all the way) it will explode butane into my face ... I survived if that's what your thinking... lol
Great video.. Thank you sir... I found a beautiful silver lighter with "diamonds" as a design. This is a sharp ooking lighter. Not a torch. Well, I'm not sure. Its like a zippo type. Probably a $20 lighter from its looks. But I barely got a hint of a flame , so i go get a can of cheap butane, yellow can red cap. I didn't know there was such an important bit of learning. Ive never had a problem before that necessitated looking I nto it, except if the butane sputters & spits all over while trying to fill a regular cheap lighter. I dont need a torch for my cig, but they're nice for lighting up on a windy day... Ive never had to de-air a butane lighter before. But this pretty silver one wont seem to fill up... Which is why I watched your video. Im going to do what you said & see if it helps. Cause right now I can't even light anything. I wasted a lit of fluid just trying to refill this thing... Whatcha think?
This guy doesn't know what octane means. Higher octane fuels are more difficult to burn. You use high octane fuel in an engine to eliminate preignition (knock).
Do you know if higher octane fuels are more difficult to burn or if they can just handle a higher pressure without combusting? What I mean is, if you have a cup of lower octane fuel and a cup of higher octane fuel and put a burning flame to each at atmospheric pressure, would it be more difficult to light the higher octane fuel or would they both ignite? I know they would burn differently once lit i'm just asking about ignition. Thanks.
GoogleTookMyName I would say the only thing more ridiculous than his referring to an octane rating of butane in this application is making the claim a higher octane rating will improve the performance of the lighter and this product has that. You are correct in questioning if this difference in octane would change the flashpoint at 1 ATM. Even if it did, that difference would be irrelevant here. And who has octane ratings for these products? Certainly not him, so the entire claim is laughable. Moreover, he is referring to a metric that no one does in this application and that is simply because it is irrelevant. Listen to the rest of his narrative… how he delineates “butane” and “propellant..." then comparing the operating function of a lighter to an internal combustion engine and its moving parts? This guy hasn’t the first clue to what he is talking about. Look for his next video on snake oil...
GoogleTookMyName Octane is a rating only appropriate for gasoline, not for fuel's that are gaseous at room temperature such as propane or butane. Octane (actually isooctane) is the most highly concentrated hydrocarbon constituent in gasoline and so burns with the most efficiency. But high amounts of isooctane is difficult to create and concentrate. The "perfect" gasoline would be 100% isooctane. The "octane rating" indicates the quality of the gasoline in relation to pure isooctane and is ONLY used with gasoline. Other heating gases are rated in BTU (british thermal units) which is directly related to the number of carbon atoms in the fuel molecule. BTW google (specifically gmail) took my name too ;-)
that cannot be true, cuz he just said they searched long and hard for the highest octane butane for their brand. so there is at least octane in there along with the butane.
I just bought a pair of TopKay Triple Jet lighters from Amazon. The first lighter works really well, nice high flame, whereas the second one is a real pain. By adjusting the flame height back and forth I eventually got it to light, but it looks more like a Bic Lighter flame,not the Triple Flame that the other one has. Now, as I was holding the lighter, the whole lighter caught fire, even onto my hands..quickly dripping it, the flame went out..I wasn’t burned at all, but I tried this over and over again…after the 3rd time I gave up. What can be the problem with this lighter? I will empty the lighter from the Butane and try to refill it, maybe it will work…who knows?
FACT: The higher the octane the less flammable the fuel is. In gasoline engines, this enables the piston in an engine to fully reach the top during the combustion chamber in order to give you more power. In low octane fuels, the spark ignites the fuel sooner (because the low octane fuel is more flammable) and you therefore get less power from your engine,. That said, I don't know why you would want a HIGHER octane butane since all it does is make the butane less flammable and harder to ignite, I quote from the AAA. " high octane fuel is actually less flammable than regular grades in order to resist preignition. As such, once ignited, it burns slower and longer. This tends to “heat soak" an engine, as the combustion chamber is exposed to flame longer"
Side note - Because of his poor lingo and the fact they use a third party supplier tells you the guys who started the company, I assume this guy is one, don't know much about the science. They just know what works and that is good enough for me....Tx guy
Butane is measured btu's per cubic ft. Main thing I've come across on my bit of research is the purity as in oils, solvents ect. That gum up the burner. Seems the more it's processed the cleaner it gets. But I'm new to my thunderbird insert for zippo and bought what the company (vector) recommend and their brand is on the top 5 list. So we shall see.
Bingo, nowadays, you go to the smoke shop and they got that honeydew but the stuff the kids use for making hash. It’s like super pure. It’s been refined 24 times refined that’s the stuff I get.
Hmmm sound like a car that will only run on 93 Premium fuel, But I need a butane lighter that works on any butane fuel and in most weather. ANY Thoughts?
Not at all. Unlike gasoline for you car, there's a huge difference between premium butane and junk butane in terms of how clean it is. 87 octane and 93 octane are both clean, they will burn differently. Premium butane is clean and has nearly no impurities, junk butane is full of impurities and will clog your lighter. Is it worth saving $2 on a can of butane that's going to last you a year and clogging a lighter? You will clog any lighter with cheap butane over time.
When I try to fill my butane lighter, it only fills it about halfway. Why is this? I'm using a high-quality butane canister on a Vertigo lighter. Thanks. PS - I purged it first.
Sprayed propellant or something in my eye by accident when i was emptying my lighter. What do I do? My eye feels fine..but am I gonna die. srs pls respond. what just sprayed out?
You are dealing with beginners here... how do we know if we overfill or underfill a kitchen butane torch? What danage is caused by "bad butane"? Is octane level the only attribute of bad propane? Thanks!
Great video. Quick question, I own a lighter that's a torch, it has three chambers and the butane is visible, any tips or tricks? It never fills completely, is it supposed to?
+Miguel Gonzalez Is it the one with the flip-up lid from Cigar Savour? I've got the same one, if it is, very good lighter. What I do is to put the lighter in the freezer briefly to cool it off, and hold the butane can long enough to warm it up a little bit, and the pressure differential will cause the butane vapor in the lighter to condense under the pressure that the can is exerting on it, achieving a perfect fill, no purge required. The idea of "propellant" is silly. Butane itself is the propellant. Venting the liquid butane in the lighter is going to cool it off just a little on its own, which should give it a little better fill.
Where can I order the little rubber O-ring from because every butane torch lighter i get that always ends up breaking or coming off amd i cant refill the lighter and have to buy a new one?
Dude, just buy the xkar lighter and it’s guaranteed for Life anything wrong with it you sent it back in they’ll fix it or send you a new one, I mean damn it’s been seven years. I hope you figured this one out how many lighters have you got through? I got mine from my father-in-law and he died 10 years ago. The lighter still works so I looked up this video and now it works again and if it quits working, I sent it to the company and get a new one lighters are only 100 bucks 75 cheapest one is maybe 30 but I get the $150 one… just don’t let somebody borrow it for a light at a party and walk away with it. You’ll feel like a fool.
Why do people feel the need to bleed the tank off by using a small screw driver??? it's so much easier to just keep the lighter upright after filling and just press the button down but not far enough for it to hit the ignition....so much easier.
To force contaminants out the bottom instead of through the lines and tip. Prevents poor performance. Makes sense. Everything flows smoother without restriction.
The tip of your butane can may be a tight fit on your specific lighter. Try pressing harder. Another thing that may have happened is that the tip of your butane can may be too thick for your specific lighter, which is rare but does happen from time to time.
I bought a Bugatti lighter but recently when I try to refill it the refilling valve remains opened and let's all the butane out in a matter of seconds , any thoughts ?
Eight years later, I’ve got a thought just buy one of these guys lighters XKAR, did a lifetime of guarantee anything happens I’ll send you a new letter or fix it, the cheapest one I’ve seen was like 35 bucks up to 200 buckshow much time you got left on this planet might as well, just don’t let somebody use it at a party and never see it again
Right why would a gas compressed to a liquid state need a propellant? Just expose a stream of the compressed liquid to atmosphere and it will promptly turn back into a gas and expand out of the orifice.
Wrong there is no propellant, just gaseous butane, you invert it to get the liquid butane in the lighter, if you chill your lighter first, and your refill can is slightly warmer all liquid goes in tank
The lower the octane the easier the combustion. Kurt needs to examine his facts before publicly declaring them. In fact I don't even think butane has an octane level. This would be a case of how much dilution is in the mix that would contribute to the actual combustion.
First off there is no such thing as an octane rating for butane. Octane refers to gasoline’s resistance to pre-ignition and has no impact on “power”. Secondly there is no propellant in a butane container. The butane itself is the propellant.
Heh? The propellant is mostly gaseous butane and the liquid is the same butane but in liquid form from the pressure it is under. My first impression for what it’s worth is your lighters are not engineered well for the general market. if they only run on the highest quality butane. Most consumers want a lighter bukt like a tank that runs on the cheapest butane they can find commercially. Design the lighter to work in that space. We want the Jeep of butane lighters not the Lamborghini of lighters that need to be babied and have special fuel used.
If your lighters are so picky they only work with your fuel, I'm not buying either from you......That's just poor (or greedy) product design. thanks for letting me know.
