@@trent_dyrsmid been keeping up with your current videos which has brought me to other creators as well. I’m a career 2.0 pilot as well, teaching at a local flight school part time in Arizona. Keep the great content coming. I learn something from every video!
This is the Dream Team collab we all wanted to see. Such excellent information from everyone involved. I watch/listen to both of your channels religiously and it's such a great source of motivation to keep heading down that road to becoming a right-seater in a corporate jet. I agree with these guys you would be a great addition to Corporate aviation Trent even if they didn't sway you. Keep up the great content all of you!
I couldn’t agree more about getting a job at an FBO. I took a job working the line after getting all my ratings and within three months I was picking up contract work. I had 500 hours without my CFI and went straight into flying Barons, King Airs, Citations and Phenoms!
WOW!!! My aviation HEROES all in one place talking about everything I love and am interested in!! Instrument pilot with 440 hours here in sunny San Diego, working on commercial to go the CFI route, with aims in the corporate world. This was PURE GOLD, and I'll def be watching it multiple times. Thank you, Trent, for having Sean and Mike on for this! SUPER grateful for you, your candor, your wisdom, your learnings, and for sharing it ALL with us!!
Hey Russ! Oh, how I miss living in that lovely San Diego climate!! Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment. It all helps my channel to grow and help more guys/gals like us!!
Hey thanks for this video. I’m 22 working towards my PPL in Orange County, California. Getting a little ahead of myself as I still have a lot of training to do, but this helpful as I really would like to go into corporate side of aviation.
I wish I could have someone like that mentoring me while going through flight school. The process is long and expensive and it’s easy sometimes to lose sight of the objective.
You guys hit the nail on the head. I have been in Business Aviation maintenance for 17 years and at my level it is all about networking. I worked at the FBO, the Manufacturer, the private company, and now the management company. @trent, ignore the naysay, Corporate would be great for your personality! Since you are an entrepreneur and a businessman, you understand the big picture including flying. You obviously do not have tunnel vision and are driven! You would do amazing in part 91.
172 does come out of a spin. Source: Me as a student while my lame instructor gave me zero preparation and zero instruction during. "See you figured it out" and a good look at the pacific ocean is all I got.
For anyone that thinks this is a good idea. It is not. Good instruction requires building confidence. Putting an aircraft in an unusual attitude without briefing the other pilot is a really bad idea. Do not mimic this type of behavior. It is unprofessional.
The number of companies that comply with 61.55(b) by just doing three takeoffs and landings and pencil-whipping the rest of the requirements far outweigh those responsible operators such as Mike and Sean that have a program that actually does what is really required. The only other nit I have to pick is the comment, "They may not pay you, but...". Please don't fall into that trap. Also, just because the insurance company "requires" a second pilot in a single-pilot airplane, that is not loggable as SIC time. Far better to have the "Other Crew" column as is pointed out. I have about 1,500 hours in such a column that is NOT included in my almost 17,000 hours. Glad to see the discussion regarding the great opportunities in Corporate Aviation!
How many of you out there are in my situation?? I'm 54, got my ppl 20 yrs ago, life happened and you left your passion behind. Now, craving to get back into it… .BUT, the biggest hurdle is funds. You have the time, you have the drive to start career 2.0, but age and funds spin you into depression. A feeling of complete hopelessness. Trent is a very fortunate man to have so many things line up for him. He's intelligent, articulate, educated, great personality, had the funds and support of his family. Its impressive what he's done.
This is a difficult consideration because you are at an age where money should be flowing into the savings account, not out of it. Trust me, I empathize. I guess you have to ask yourself if the juice is really worth the squeeze? If you have your PPL, you could get a refresher and then start going on some cross-country flying adventures into and out of class B airspace. No, you wouldn't be flying a jet, but it's still flying. One of the struggles at this age, is not only the age 65 rule, but the fact that getting to a jet job will likely involve some geographical moves along the way, that will still only get you a job that pays poverty wages. It will be a challenging 3 years at minimum (and that's assuming the economy holds up). It's a lot for a 54 year old to take on, in hopes of maybe getting 7-13 years of jet flying, depending on which route you go.
I am a little younger than you but in a similar situation. Here’s my current mindset: Age is just a number and the 65 rule only applies to commercial not corporate. Sell, borrow, and beg what you have to get it done. Get your experience and when you hit the age wall, move on to the next thing. I am a DOM in a flight department with 3 other pilots. 2 are older than me and one younger. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses but we could all be pilots. I only have 80ish hours so I am not insurable nor have the flight experience yet but I have hundreds of hours operating the airplane on ground and non log-able time as FE. So it’s only a matter of time. I just have to keep one foot in front of the other. I flew 1.7 hours yesterday as PIC in a 172. It’s only 1.7 hours but it was the best use of my time and fun in the last 60 days. Take care of the little things, the big things take care of themselves. One of my inspirations recently said be positive! Even if you have to fake it, be positive and positive things will happen. If you are negative, you attract negative things! Wish I could help you more. If you decide to rob a bank, I have a fast car lol
@@BestofWhatsAround83 You are spot on with everything you said. I'm willing to relocate, and understand that it will be at least 2-3 yrs before anything starts going well. But, I've just been hit over and over in life. One step forward, two steps back type of thing, due to a variety of circumstances. I actually have no desire to go to the airlines. Corporate, maybe. At this point I'd be content with being a busy cfi, and possibly a designated examiner.
@@Alberto1B 😅 I might take you up on that fast car. Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as negative. I probably should have worded it a bit different. It's more like I feel like I missed out on a better calling. Even tho I lost all my logbooks yrs ago, and will have to start over, to be honest, I'm actually not in the worst of positions, bc, I have an A&P, worked 12 yrs as a structural tech, and a degree in aircraft maintenance. I DO NOT want to go back to that field of work. I think I'd rather do an accelerated cfii, meii course and start instructing. I just cant afford that right now. But I'm working on it. Best wishes to all you aspiring pilots out there. Dont give up! And thanks for your reply and words of advice and encouragement.
Once again, you knocked it out of the park Trent. I could go to lunch with you three, shut my mouth, and just listen to the knowledge drop for hours!! Love the Pro Pilot guys and subscribe to them too. Thank you, all of you, for what you’re doing for us 2.0 peeps.
Trent. I’ve caught a couple of your videos and I want to wish you luck in your journey. We have similar stories. I started my 2nd career in aviation a few years ago, I’m 44 now. Trained and instructed in a 141 setting and transitioned to a 135 job flying right seat 135 in an EMB-505 (Phenom 300) at about 750 hours about two years ago ( right time right place). I transitioned with the same company to the left seat in the BE-20 last October and I’m headed back to the left seat in the Phenom in March. It’s a wild ride whatever path you take, no 121 experience but I can fully endorse everything your guests said and for me there is nothing like finding a good 91/135 corporate gig. The variety and type of flying and people is completely unmatched. There are few if any perfect jobs out there, but doing what I’m doing now has to be pretty close. Awesome schedule, great pay and time at home with the family (most important to me). Find a reputable 135/91 operator and don’t look back. All the best!
Hi Trent. I'm a 40 year old PPL student who wanted to become a career pilot 15 years ago, but talked myself out of it because the airline economy was so bad. I am working towards that goal now, hoping I can successfully make the switch and achieve that lifelong dream. I thank you for your videos, they give me encouragement and hope that it is possible to actually make this happen.
You’re welcome! Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment. It all helps my channel to grow and help more guys/gals like us!! BTW, I’ve got a free email course on how to become a professional pilot as fast as possible. The course covers things like how to study to the written exams, how to pick a school, how much to expect to spend, how to get financing, etc….If you’d like to gain access, just go to FlyWithTrent.com and become an email subscriber.
Thank you, Trent, for this inside scoop of the corporate pilot world. Giving us many options into this journey of obtaining a great pilot career. Not just the airlines path. Your videos are keeping me focus in this new endeavor.
Awesome video, as always! Can’t recommend working at an FBO enough. I’m 300 hours, about to take my commercial checkride, and I’ve got a phenom owner pushing me to get my hours quicker so they can start using me right seat. Wouldn’t have that opportunity without networking in an FBO.
Amazing video! I’m a 400 hr CFI and followed this exact path. I started at an FBO and last year got typed (61.55) for the CE-525 (citation). Now I instruct and contract on the side. So cool to see this info coming out.
As someone who is still in the process of getting their PPL and eventually transitioning into a commercial, I had a really naive question regarding the pay difference in Corporate pilots and an airline pilot. The guests touched base on the significant difference between the number of hours flown .
I went the legacy airline route but my friend is a g650 captain... Guess how he got his first jet job? Working at an fbo, the jets fo was a noshow and the captain walked in and asked "which one of you has a commercial multi?"! After that they got him typed and away he went!
I’m 54 with 650hrs in Australia. I would absolutely love to get a corporate job. No interest in airlines at all. Is it possible to move to the US and start again? I’ll pour fuel and make coffee if I need to.
Hi Ashley, there are some free databases you'll find, FlightAware gives you some information. Also, there's something on the FAA website. If you subscribe to our service at the pro pilot playbook we provide an operator list that is searchable. Thanks!
Love those guys!! Great info and a wealth of knowledge. I’m just starting with a regional at 49. Loving the ride so far as it’s a second career. Keep up the good work!!
Hey @flywithtrent As a career 2.0 pilot myself I’m glad to see your progress. I’m 48, CFI, and I bought a plane to complete my hours. My primary job is a legacy airline dispatcher and dispatch instructor. What’s interesting is that my 400+ hours of jumpseat time doesn’t count toward the 1500 hours but I sure have a few “tell me about a time” stories from that experience. Best of luck to you and let’s get this 🤙
Trent - Excellent interview. Love those guys, I watch them on their channel, too. Your question at the 31 minute mark (sell me on why a corporate pilot path is better - why should I choose that over airlines?) is exactly the one I've been grappling with. I'm 55, ex-corporate CFO, 525 hours, and starting my CFI class next week, so already thinking ahead to what comes next. Excellent interview. Video topic suggestion: "How to start an independent CFI business?" like what you're doing. Biggest question in my mind is where to get an airplane to use? I'd imagine most flight schools wouldn't want you to use their plane (you would be their competition, plus they need it for their instruction), so.... where to get one? Thanks, and keep up the great work. I don't know how you fit it all into your week!
Yes, finding an airplane to fly can be a challenge. The best bet is to just buy your own. If you only aircraft and you’re providing the instruction, you can actually make pretty darn good money.
i am 29 and i am a electrician but been wanting to fly from when i was a kid its my dream is it to late. been listening to atc at work and doing my own studying
Trent this is probably one of your best and most relevant videos. I retired off the KC-10 with 6,000 hours (boom operator) and am constantly looking at the next best route to that SIC gig weather it’s a King Air or a Global Express. Excellent content sir. I appreciate you having guests like this to shed light on subject matter that’s probably not on most pilots radar.
Trent, thank you. You asked the exact questions I wanted to hear and drilled down into those answers given. Currently left my 20year career to focus on flying and building hours currently. Good luck on your future and thanks again for this collaboration!
Great video Trent! As an older person transitioning to flying this was great to hear as another option. Currently working on my instrument rating so by the end of this year I look to be in a position to leave Corporate America and fly. This could be a viable option for me.
I’m rooting for your success :) Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment. It all helps my channel to grow and help more guys/gals like us!!
I would enjoy hearing some input from these two as to pursuing the best path for older pilots. I'm 57 w/1,350 TT. Working on Commercial, Multi and finishing Instrument.
Great suggestion! Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment. It all helps my channel to grow and help more guys/gals like us!! BTW, I’ve got a free email course on how to become a professional pilot as fast as possible. The course covers things like how to study to the written exams, how to pick a school, how much to expect to spend, how to get financing, etc….If you’d like to gain access, just go to FlyWithTrent.com and become an email subscriber.
Hi Mike. Just started this process myself and turning 57 next month. Still working on my private. If you can…please keep me posted as you progress. I would appreciate any advice you can offer. Good luck on your journey.
Every time you post a new video. I click on to watch. Not only do I enjoy your excitement in aviation. It's informative, educational, and intelligent. You reach for the deep soul of aviation. And ask yourself and other experts how it work?, can I become better? And how can my audience become a better safe pilot. I thank you, brother. Keep up the great outstanding work.
Two more questions? 1. Which anr headset do you use? 2. At 54 do you think i would be abke to find a jig flying professionally or did i miss the boat yet again
Just did my 1st official lesson this morning in a c150. Pwr on and off stalls and steep turns were quite surprising. The demos had me more nervous like going on a roller coaster. (I’ve lived a on the ground sheltered life and not much thrill rides). I really need to network more and get over my fear of the coms.
I am 16 currently and going to be going to destination 225 program at 18. I would like to change this for contract piloting as entrepreneurship sounds amazing. Do you think I should keep this program as I will haft to go to corporate as part of my airline journey or is there a cheaper more effective way to become a contract corporate pilot. What should I do if i do want to be a contract pilot?
The following requires a type rating; § 61.5 Certificates and ratings issued under this part. $61.5(b)(7) Aircraft type ratings- (i) Large aircraft other than lighter-than-air. (ii) Turbojet-powered airplanes. (iii) Other aircraft type ratings specified by the Administrator through the aircraft type certification procedures. (iv) Second-in-command pilot type rating for aircraft that is certificated for operations with a minimum crew of at least two pilots
Trent love love your channel man. Gives me so much info. I’m 26 and started flying when I was 16 I ended up doing a business career since I was 20 but recently have decided to shift and continue flying. Will hopefully get my ppl, instrument, and commercial by EOY and I don’t wanna do flight instructor so these videos of other paths have been great!
I tried to explain this in many forums but the ignorance is thick! I'm glad this platform lends credibility to the subject matter. The ignoance I see among upcoming pilots is good enough reason for the 1500hr rule in my book.
I'm in Canada and we need to demonstrate spins for the commercial flight test. I can say the c172 I fly definitely can get into a spin. It is inherently stable and can get out of a spin as well...but for sure you can get into full spins in a c172. I practice it at 5,500' or higher with capabilities up to 500' loss per full turn.
Canadian ppl student here, to add to this, we don't demonstrate how enter a spin but we do demonstrate how to recover from a developed spin at least in a 172
Actually, for the private flight test there is no spin demonstration. However for the commercial flight test the candidate has to both enter the spin, hold the spin for at least one quarter rotation as directed by the examiner, and recover from the spin. @@MistaSkilla692
Ex. 13 Spinning Aim To demonstrate an intentional incipient spin manoeuvre and execute an effective recovery upon command from the examiner, using the technique recommended in the POH or POH Supplement. Description The candidate will use the correct entry technique and hold full pro-spin control input until the command to recover. The command to recover can be expected after at least one quarter (1/4) turn of spin rotation. Despite the use of correct entry technique and maintaining full pro-spin control application, certain aeroplane types may nevertheless enter a spiral dive. If this occurs, the candidate is expected to announce “Spiral Dive” and use the correct recovery technique. The manoeuvre does not have to be repeated. Intentional spins will only be conducted with aeroplanes that are certified for and loaded in accordance with the requirements for the utility or aerobatic categories. Intentional spins will be entered at an operationally safe altitude that allows recovery at or above 2,000 feet AGL, or the minimum height recommended by the manufacturer, whichever is higher.
Keep them coming. Enjoyed every minute of this video. Fantastic info. Liked and subscribed. I'm going to the Pro Pilot Playbook and watch them also. Thanks for all you do.
Loving this channel! Obtained my PPL and Instrument rating back in the early 90s, and then took almost 30 years off to raise a family. Now at 55 I'm starting to work on career 4.0! Flight review complete, and studying for IPC. Looking to complete CPL and CFI by year end. Thanks for the great content and motivation!
Another great video Trent, they are very informative. I am working on my PPL at the young age of 55. I am leaning towards being a CFI but we will see. I have type two diabetes and I would like to let your viewers know that you can pass your medical certification with a waiver as long as you can show you have your diabetes under control. I just received my two days ago. Time to make career 2.0 happen.
I stopped flying (school) because I’m colorblind and I’m scared spending money on aviation and not able to work as pilot. I have been told I could flight only during daylight. Any information or help about this?
I’ve spun 172. 150, and citabrias. All 3 of my cfis and made me do spin recoveries. I took a scenic 10year PPL journey so had a few cfis over the decade. 10 years to get my ppl. Hoping to get IFR and commercial in a couple of Months. I’ve also debated becoming a pilot back and forth now. At the very least I want to do CFI so I can teach my kids
I was instructing in 172's and was not concerned with stalls at all but 10 years later, after a lengthy break, I was talked into teaching PPL students in 152s. It had been nearly 30 years since I was in a 152 and I wasn't ready for the stall wing drop which can be dramatic. Tried my best to put on a brave face for the student and stay calm. Luckily I recovered (obviously) but I admit I wasn't ready for it. I won't be back in a 152 again if I can help it, at least not for stalls. Even in straight and level a few times I thought the 152 would flip in a gust. The 172 is much more stable and is not blown around nearly as much as the 152
Great spin info. Great corporate pilot info to pAss onto my students. Congrats on being a cfi. I wish you great wealth and happiness. Let your students experience spin training in a champ with some one who does it all the time. Your job is to harp on rudder use. Thats just me. All the best neal cfi sw fla 1000 hours instruction given
14:00 At this point, seeing the look on Trent's face, I was expecting Trent to say, "Ok guys, this concludes today's video. Mike, I'll be over in a couple of hours!" lol.
Thank you for sharing this information. I have been wanting to get into the IT field for a while. I also love aviation. What I would love to do is get into the tech engineering side of things. I have 15+ years of random customer service XP and it just wasn't my thing. I do have some health issues. Epilepsy is one of them. My most recent job was a PC Tech 1 for a depot style place in Richmond, VA. I am curious have any of you been to Shannon Airport in VA?
I have to say the you dont go from flying cfi to a good corporate job that is true, however that being said if you are up here in alaska and do 135 corperate job are yelling to grab poeple and the 135 up here are flyogn regularly 100hr to 120hrs in a 2 on 2 off schedule
I'm in South Dakota but the middle of Kansas is actually my goal as it's way warmer and better growing season. Having a private landing strip there would be so awesome for all your business trips and travel.
This is the first channel I’ve ever seen that has talked about this topic in this much detail, and as a private pilot working through my ratings all the way up to ATP, it was EXTREMELY helpful and informative.
Welcome aboard! Glad to hear you found it so helpful. Thanks so much for watching one of my videos! I really appreciate you taking a moment to comment!
I’m a flight attendant and worked baggage handler for many years I’m 40 years old and looking to transition to airline flying. I’ve meet hundreds of pilots and have established relationships with a few of them. I’m hoping this gives me a edge
Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment. It all helps my channel to grow and help more guys/gals like us!! BTW, I’ve got a free email course on how to become a professional pilot as fast as possible. The course covers things like how to study to the written exams, how to pick a school, how much to expect to spend, how to get financing, etc….If you’d like to gain access, just go to FlyWithTrent.com and become an email subscriber.
You should have someone with spin recovery experience take you up in a 172 and spin it. It will calm your nerves about stalls and spins. I was very nervous about stalls prior to doing this. You will see that the 172 recovers almost instantly once opposite rudder is applied. If one of my students drops a wind in a stall I still initiate anti spin inputs immediately, but I know that if it does make it into a fully developed spin I can recover it very quickly. Thanks for putting this interview together. It was very enjoyable and informative!
Hey Kevin… I’ve had plenty of people tell me that the 172 easily recovers from a spin since publishing this video so I’m no longer concerned about it. Truth is, I actually love doing spins.
I saw your interview on their podcast and loved that you mentioned owning a small waste management company. I own a junk removal business in Missoula, we started in June of 22, and it's been great! Eventually, we want to expand that, and once we can be more hands-off, I'd love to be a corporate pilot! Currently we are trying to buy a house and pay for a wedding, so flight training is on the back burner... Love both of your channels! Keep up the great work.
Was very enjoyable to watch. Great info! Going to follow guests pod cast now also! Took away, if you go corporate/private jet get type ratings to make yourself more valuable! Thank you!
Great discussion. I would add to the C150 vs C172 spin discussion, make sure you are in the utility category of the C172 before you do spins. (essentially only two people in the plane, with forward c of g). If you do a spin in a C172 with three or four people and an aft c of g (not utility category, not allowed per POH), you can get into a flat spin and not recovery (as shown in accident reports). I was a CFI in Canada and performed many spins in both C150 and C172. Treat them with respect.
Good to know a 172 can recover from a spin with only two souls in board. I’d always wondered. Thank you so much for watching and leaving a comment. It all helps my channel to grow and help more guys/gals like us!!
Sign me up, considered the airlines but think that corporate is where it’s at. I was a fueler at the fbo and made some connections. It’s hit or miss though when it’s a bunch of flex jet, netjet, wheels up and other share company pilots not like they can have you fly right seat for them
Also, typically in Corporate Aviation if they decide to let you go, normally you get noticed, and pretty good compensation, and if you networked while you were there, you can probably walk into another job and it may benefit you more.
Is it possible for a 54yr. old to get a job as a corporate pilot. I’ve never been interested in commercial but corporate flying has been the level of flying I want to do.
As a guy out in Kansas. Sounds like I may have to move. I am enjoying the interview. One thing about where I live. I get to see new planes leave the factory on occasion.
Just wow, I finished up flight school a few months ago and have been looking for a place to gain experience. This video has opened my eyes to some unknown things in the aviation world. Great video!
This is the best video ever. I've heard about opportunities like this...good to hear from people in the know. As an older dude with 600 hours, it's good to know there are options other than instructing.
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