Waves, I love you guys- but you really have to learn how to level compensate your plugins' gain on demos, to really show what they can do and add to the sound- rather than just "deceiving" the listener with volume differences.
I've noticed that a lot of people do this, actually, and some of the more successful tutorials are unfortunately more successful only because the final result is louder. These guys should really make sure that the gain before the plugins is proper for the mix and that each plugin's output gain is proper for the mix, as well. Otherwise, you're gonna constantly fiddle with the gain each and every time you change a plugin, and it could lead someone to believing that the louder plugin is the better one when in reality, they could actually be missing out on an even better processing chain. "Set it and forget it" could probably help.
this is so stupid. so you are knowledgable in gain staging but cant tell the difference between the warmth and character these plugins provide vs the audio level? utter sillyness.
Re: what horns patch...I'm pretty certain he's using Cinesamples' Cinebrass Pro. Kontakt 5 is the plugin he has instantiated, and there is a patch in Cinebrass Pro called "12 Horns" that sounds exactly like what he is using.
I made a pretty realistic one only using Sytrus. The only thing it lacks if you ask me is a modulation that would reflect blowing stronger or lighter in the instrument. As for now I don't know how but it is a matter of time. P.S. : i was so much in the synth mindset because I'm discussing that right now that I missed the subject of this video. Very interesting though. Just as for Strings you want to modulate them so it feel lively but so far I mostly saw Strings video but no Brass. Cool you made it.
Tired of those boosting volumes example. there is a volume output on plugins for a reason. for sure its gonna sound better if the original volume is buried in the mix. that is just silly ;)
This is a nice tutorial... Could you please make a tutorial on how to make realistic strings using waves?? Can you elaborate how did you manage to get good strings sound or how did you mix it??
Good video, but I wouldn’t bring your volume down that far at the fader. You can compensate on your fx output. The way your doing it, your not putting enough level into the plugin to get the most out of it.
"VERY" Interesting!!! When I see "WAVES" I think "POP & ROCK". This is the first time I've seen WAVES IN A 'ORCHESTRAL context......you should do MORE of "THAT". I plan to buy "NLS" It was nice to see it in Orchestral context!!!!
Sounds like he just wants an (artificially) brighter sound... I'd have reached for the Waves H-EQ first here, versus basically just boosting gain as others have pointed out.
Synthelicious um, yes. But they’re 2x as much, and they only emulate 1 console. Lol. They’re the Plugin Alliance emulators. Pretty good, but lots of $$$$. I think they actually do the whole channel strip thing in addition to the saturation emulation, so maybe that’s what you want. You could also try mixing in Cakewalk if you’re on PC. It’s a DAW that has console emulation, and it’s free. Pretty nice. It does Ssl, neve, and another one I can’t remember. I think it sounds pretty good. Harrison Mixbus is another DAW with console emulation. It emulates Harrison consoles, like the ones Back in Black and Thriller were mixed on. And instead of a plugin company selling emulations with the blessing of the console makers, Harrison Mixbus was made specifically by the original console company. It sounds great. Short story: If you’re on PC, just switch to Cakewalk. Otherwise, you can grab NLS, which is the next cheapest option and the most versatile (I love it, actually. The Neve console works great as bass distortion.) Next best thing would be to get Harrison Mixbus. The cheap version is fully-functional and only 80$, the more expensive one has some extra plugins and something else I can’t remember, and it’s the price of a normal DAW. And then the Plugin Alliance ones are, in my opinion, the least tempting, because they’re 200$ for a single console emulation. You can get them on sale, of course, but you know.
O.o Nothing at all that couldn't be done with stock plugs from Studio One. At all. A simple Pultec would add high end and a bit of body = If you think you've gained "analog warmth" here, I don't. I'm not just being picky = Anyone, listen to :55 then listen to 5:29 - That's hardly a difference at all. This is more of a demo of how to use a DAW and arrange it's MIDI notes than any kind of quality sonic advice. It's a well made video, full of low grade info.
+Ras Cricket Sadly I agree. He added level and some harmonics which were good, but I've always felt tutorials about "warmth" are useless if you don't painstakingly gain match pre and post drive sounds in context. The MIDI stuff was good, as was looking at his track layout (since I sometimes work on similar genres)
+Ras Cricket The thing about mixing is, it's completely subjective. You might have better hearing than him, or vice versa. The only thing audio engineers have in common is their ability to tell the difference between a shitty mix and a good one. everything else is kind of subjective.
It's track freeze, which means you'll not be able edit the plugins of that track, but it will save the cpu power that the plugins are using... Or something to that effect :)
+BNJ53 The most important part of his sound in this is the sample libraries he's using, namely LA Scoring Strings (currently $799) and CineBrass Pro (currently on sale for $299), both of which run inside the free version of Kontakt. To achieve the extra "warmth" there are some things you could use besides Waves' usually expensive NLS plugin. You could, for instance, use Logic Pro's built in guitar amplifier plugin on a very low gain setting to add decent analogue warmth to almost any sound source, including brass samples, and there are many free or cheap other plugins as well.
Not everybody can afford to hire session musicians. Another reason for using midi is that it's more convenient especially if your mass producing hundreds of tracks.
If this doesn't sound realistic to your ears you might want to see an audiologist. It's one thing to say Session Horns or ESX24 sounds synthetic but this is one of the higher end sample libraries and you have heard orchestral Kontakt libraries like this on TV adverts and TV programs and probably pop records without even realizing it!
