How to Make MIDI Brass Sound Realistic 

0/10 unrealistic. Brass players don't need to breathe. They practiced that

It's not only funny because it's something writers often "forget"... but it was insulting that he thinks we can't play more than half a bar before we're dead.

Pro tip: you can't, find someone who can play

Watch Synthmania for that. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bmQETKtz1Ws.html

For guitar, try the Odin VST by Solemn Tones. It operates like Getgood Drums or Superior Drummer, but for guitar - pre-recorded real samples of a dry guitar that can run through a VST amp or a real amp. It's not a replacement for the real thing, but with a little velocity, timing, and articulation love, it's a fantastic tool to have in your setup. They also make a bass version called Loki and it's every bit as useful as Odin. In my band, we write our music before we ever play it. Odin and Loki have become the 2 most important VSTs in this process as they allow us to both experiment and get really close to what the real thing will sound like without having to record take after take. Like I said, they're not the real thing, but in 16+ years of recording music, they're the best ones I've ever used.

Evolution Dracus / the like, for example Shreddage Jupiter. €€€

@@autobotsNdecepticons ppi

Similar to teaching a piano player how to write for guitar. You can write any combination of keys for a piano and as long as your fingers can spread the required distance, you use a pedal to hold notes, and you have the dexterity to move very quickly and accurately, you can play a huge array of chords and inversions of them. However, a guitar has strings that limit the specific arrangement of notes in a chord and also limit the number of notes within a chord. You can't strum more than six notes on a six-string... and you can't play two notes chromatically adjacent if not using an open string or some clever fretwork. It can be incredibly difficult for a piano player to accurately write for virtual guitar if they've never played one or aren't proficient enough to identify where a certain riff or chord would be nearly impossible for a real guitarist to perform. And that's to say nothing of techniques such as string muting. This video was a bit insulting... unrealistically imagining horn players with tiny lungs. We can hold notes for longer than half a bar, I assure you!

I mean you can play three parts, counting the kick pedal.

@@ElririOr have two drummers

same.

lol it's not intricate, it's basic composing for ensembles and basic music production.

You wouldn't happen to remember in which video this Mike talks about that? That would be most helpful

@@KariKauree cc1 is modwheel that controls vibrato I think, cc11 would be the velocity

The ESX24 sounds are still decent sounding even today, if I had Logic I would still use the ESX24 instruments, I remember using Logic at college even before I had a DAW. I even find the brass sections in Halion are acceptable.

Yeah, brass still sounds like kazoos after decades of MIDI 🙄 I wish there were more colors to add the arrangements! What about attack- and release types, introvert/extrovert going soft, harsh, metallic, mellow, airy/dusty, using flutter, with/without vibrato.. different sounds between sounds for big orchestral sections vs. smaller sections.. How about adding more different mute types besides the harmon mute samples you always see .. cup, straight (metalic and wooden), all of these with/without plunger, bucket.. even the harmon has so many more different ways of sounding. And what about adding more instruments like euphonium, barytones, tenorhorns, Bb and Eb-cornets, alto trombones.. Even though the samples in the video is a nice try, I wouldn’t ever use these bad sounding samples for anything else than drafting, and I really don’t feel inspired by the sounds of it 😔

CineBrass missed where this was their problem.

Not quite. C4 is middle C, yes, but the keyswitches are bound by default to the octave below the playable range of a piano -- therefore, C-1 etc.

There are, in fact, keys below C0... technically an unlimited number of them, although you'll reach a point where there's no purpose to having them. Having keys below the typical pitch range of a grand piano allows for keys that can be triggered, but not for any (usable) audio purpose.

You might be a bit too picky because there are a great many sample-based brass instruments nowadays that can sound incredibly realistic when they're set up and "played" properly. It's all about the digital technique. Too many people have no idea how to actually perform a virtual instrument to its intended ability or they're just too lazy to finesse it or build in the necessary nuance.

it's by Native Instruments / e-instruments

Go to www.spitfireaudio.com/shop/instruments/

Incidentally, they do a free version of the BBC Symphony Orchestra if you don't mind filling in a survey and then waiting 14 days for the download link. Their LABS range is also free and pretty good for nought.

Koichi Sugiyama: “That sign can’t stop me because I can’t read!”

Not true. Maybe YOU can't.

@@Salsuero No I actually meant what I actually said. I've never heard brass done convincingly using samples. Maybe you have? Or maybe you've bad hearing and can't tell the difference?

@@production2353 Maybe you're expecting real horns from a computer. That could be your mistake. They sound completely passable and reasonable to most people. Been at this thing for a long long time. I'm sad for you that you are so anal and unhappy that you haven't been able to enjoy a single virtual horn library to this point. It's all fake! Shout it until everyone's ears bleed. I've heard VERY convincing virtual horns. Sucks that you haven't. I suspect you purposely look for ways to discount them before they even have a chance, though. Seems like the kind of person you are judging by your attempt at an insult.

Yes... imagine that... horns can be referred to as many things. We call them the brass in pop and jazz. We don't call them woodwinds. LOL That's a symphonic reference. They've got reeds, but they're made of brass, not wood. So what's actually closer to reality?

You wouldn't have... but he's the one writing it... not you. So, if he wants horns, that's his creative license to do!

Big Band: 5 saxophones, 4-5 trumpets, 4-5 trombones... but also sometimes flugelhorns, muted trumpets, muted trombones, french horns, tuba, clarinets, flutes... Definitely depends on the genre... but we do need 'em.

Not necessarily.

Have you ever hired real horn players to record a session for you? How much did you pay them to rehearse, modify as needed, and lay down your tracks? Were they any good? Did any of them call in sick or come in drunk or high? Were any of them just not feeling it? Did they all have the range of technique you were looking for? If you want to use real brass players, go right ahead! That's generally preferred. It'll also cost you way more than $300 in the long run. Also... you don't need a $300 sample library. It's got a lot more to do with how you program the MIDI, which most people are too lazy to do. They want ready out of the box perfect results and that's just dumb. A quality sample library will at least let you give you an option. Or... go spend the money on a real horn section... but you're paying by the hour, so you better know what you want! No experimenting when you decide on a trombone instead of a tenor sax!

I think the video should have referenced horns rather than brass. Common to have sax with brass in a horn section.

They are called brass instruments (or just horns) when you are discussing the section in terms of pop or jazz. They are woodwinds symphonically. Let's not forget... they're not made of wood. You can call them reed instruments, but they're still made of brass! It's not like a trumpet or trombone is a horn, either... but we don't have any issue calling them horns, right? Don't be so small-minded.

Obviously, man thinks you guys don’t have oxygen

The brass sample library in this video is Session Horns Pro by Native Instruments which ia a sample library for Kontakt or the free Kontakt Player version. Also Garageband is a more cut down version of Logic.

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With the available tools (samplers) out there today, I feel it’s a true statement... They simply doesn’t sound realistic at all...

Depends... do you have a "GOOD" brass section? How much money did you pay them for their session time?

@@_emanmodnar Done right, they can sound almost indistinguishable. The problem is the laziness to edit the instrument and MIDI to actually include the nuance needed to sound realistic. Everyone wants a quick and easy right out of the box method. Anything done right takes time and effort.

Haven’t heard it yet. All libraries I’m aware of have sounds of brass instruments that sounds like kazoos on steroids at best. The best sound libraries still makes the brass section in your score sound like a marching band of antz 😅 Not even like a low-level brass band.. And by the way: How many libraries allows you to choose between straight-, cup-, harmon-, and plunger mutes (just to mention the most common mutes)? Normally we would only get a harmon (and can’t control any aspects of it - like stem in/out wahwah).. How many libraries let you choose between airy sounds, soft sweet tone, or aggressive brassy sound… it’s mostly the latter.. 🙄 what about piccolo trumpets and flygelhorn, or other differences between large bore and small bore sounds and bell sizes … it makes quite some difference if you are trying to mimic a Chicago brass section or a club bigband sound… If you know of any libraries, please let me know.

Yeah... they're reeded AND made of brass. They are both woodwinds symphonically and brass instruments in pop/jazz. They can be called many things because they do multiple jobs.

You obviously didn't watch the video all the way through. He explained about how to sequence the notes in a certain way and how to use articulations.