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How to Get MORE Radio Range 

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How far radio signals go (and where they go) is really complicated, but it is also a really important thing to understand... if you want to have reliable radio communication. Here is a useful tool to visually show how different radio frequencies behave as they travel through and around different kinds of objects.
1:10 - RF is Kind of Like Light
4:24 - Simulator Setup
5:50 - WIFI Signal Propagation
7:55 - UHF Radio Signals
10:10 - RF Reflections
12:07 - VHF Signal Differences
14:30 - Elevation is King
16:09 - The High Frequency Bands
17:38 - NVIS Antennas
19:26 - Long Frequency Uses and Lessons
22:00 - Why This Video Exists

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@kerbalairforce8802
@kerbalairforce8802 2 месяца назад
15 year radio maintenance here: UHF is better in urban. VHF is better in forest. HF is better for talking beyond the horizon. Frequency is directly related to antenna size. Higher freq means smaller antenna.
@nexthubbins
@nexthubbins 2 месяца назад
Thanks❤❤❤
@benjaminpauza159
@benjaminpauza159 2 месяца назад
I've heard UHF is better in urban but why? Penetration of higher frequencies is lower. **Assuming antenna size isn't an issue**
@BCM-556
@BCM-556 Месяц назад
Yup. That's why most police radios are UHF.
@kerbalairforce8802
@kerbalairforce8802 18 дней назад
​@@benjaminpauza159 Good question. UHF may be worse at penetrating some materials, but are better at bouncing off of steel glass and concrete. Imagine all the concrete is mirrored, and you're blinking a flashlight to signal someone. You may not have line of sight, but the reflections are visible.
@benjaminpauza159
@benjaminpauza159 18 дней назад
@@kerbalairforce8802 Thanks! best answer I've gotten.
@NateOffGrid
@NateOffGrid 2 месяца назад
I can ABSOLUTELY concur with the directional antenna. I, very quickly, built a yagi for GMRS and my UV5R on 5w . Took it to a high peak here in Oklahoma and had contact with a repeater 73 miles away with AMAZING signal.
@realghostactual
@realghostactual 2 месяца назад
Directional Atennas is the way for the best range. Our SATCOM antennas (I feel Brandon has definitely mentioned this to you guys) in the military were obviously extremely directional antennas and you had to know where to point it EXACTLY. For Opsec reasons I won't say where but in country it was universal. I really love this example of radio placement and the typical estimated range you will get with HT radios. Keep in mind and I know youll definitely make a video on this, but this is only "simplex" (radio to radio) where as hopping on Repeaters changes the entire story. One thing to keep in mind thou (again, this will deff go more advanced than this video demonstrates, but you slightly touched on it at the end) is your Antennas "VSWR" or Voltage Standing Wave Ratio. Which is a mathematical calculation on how much power is transmitted out of your radio, into your antenna, and how much of that power is reflected back into the radio. A 1:1 SWR would mean on that frequency, if you are outputting 8 watts, your antenna is putting out exactly 8 watts. But antennas arent that perfect and EVERY frequency will operate differently. One UHF frequency may get a 2:15 SWR which is still very good, youre only getting a small amount of power reflected back into your radio....but maybe if you jump 20 mhz up the band...with that same antenna you might get a 4:1 SWR which reflect ALOT of your transmitting power back into your radio and youre putting out like 2 watts, rather than 8. REALLY decreasing your distance you can achieve. So antenna choices are VERY important to consider. Broadband antennas will have VSWRs that can go all over the place, but buying TUNED antennas for the bands youll be on is more ideal. I keep two antennas on the back of my plate carrier. One I know that has great VSWR tuned to VHF, and one antenna tuned for UHF and I switch the routing cable for what frequency I will be on. It's good to buy SWR meters (theyre not that expensive) to see which antennas are best for you but this plays a MAJOR roll in the distance you will get. Im really digging the Trex Labs channel - this is information EVERYONE needs to know
@MrMcGuy
@MrMcGuy 2 месяца назад
Thank you all so much for these videos. As a HAM radio Technician it’s extremely important that people have some method of communication when / if the phones go out. Even a bad storm in some areas of the country can destroy cell phone infrastructure. Understanding that a radio, battery and antenna replace millions of dollars of cell network infrastructure is paramount. Instead of a phone, cell towers, carriers and lack of bandwidth options, you’re literally sending a radio wave at the speed of light from one point to another point (a large area / many people, sometimes with repeaters, etc). The point is this: A radio and its accessories form an entire infrastructure package that YOU control, and one that will still be operational even if the phones stop working. Remember as well that monitoring without transmitting is legal on any channel without a license. Information is power, and a lot of local and statewide information is floating around out there. You just have to know where to look. Find your local radio club repeater/s and lookup their meetings (net) times and start listening with a cheap handheld (HT) 2M / 70cm radio. If you become intrigued go get your Technician level HAM license and *don’t be intimidated*. You can do it! Radio can open up a whole new world for you.
@TheMrpunisher77
@TheMrpunisher77 2 месяца назад
This is a great visual understanding for people to understand more. You wont believe how bad leaves can be, especially pine needles. Only way around it is to be over it, height is your friend.
@88njtrigg88
@88njtrigg88 2 месяца назад
Agreed, also understanding the inverse square law would help.
@adubs.
@adubs. 2 месяца назад
Similarly to light I explain to people, "whats the first thing you hear from a loud stereo? The bass.". This usually lands well with the uninitiated and they instantly realize lower frequencies go further.
@isaacbotkintrex
@isaacbotkintrex 2 месяца назад
That's a great example.
@johnhemotape3425
@johnhemotape3425 2 месяца назад
woooooooooo! Isaac channel is best channel!
@mstrickk1
@mstrickk1 2 месяца назад
Always love it when I'm doing radio research and one of my favorite channels throws me a bone.
@xxxlonewolf49
@xxxlonewolf49 2 месяца назад
More great data, very useful for people who've never used radios in the field.
@JosStrange
@JosStrange 2 месяца назад
Love the doc brown quote at about 5:14
@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193
@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193 2 месяца назад
Im thrilled you decided to create these separate channels. The barrier to entry you created for yourself on the main channel, through its consistent high production quality, was too high. These more frequent uploads feel a little more like the TRex live's ive been missing.
@aureycorreia
@aureycorreia 2 месяца назад
You are doing God’s work, sir. Thank you
@bootlegengineer2367
@bootlegengineer2367 2 месяца назад
The visual is extremely helpful. I’ve watched several videos on radios and different frequencies but having a good visual representation of what is going on is fantastic.
@sparrowdynamics
@sparrowdynamics 2 месяца назад
Awesome content!! Great visuals and analogies to teach a complicated subject! At 14:56, in radio propagation, there is also diffraction over the crest of the hill to consider which can "bend" the waves downward over the crest (or even around or over buildings). But this mostly applies to midrange frequencies such as the upper end of VHF and the lower end of UHF and it won't be a sharp "bend". Please keep up the good work on this new channel!
@averageusercommenter199
@averageusercommenter199 2 месяца назад
Super grateful that T-Rex is spreading it wings to MORE topics. Hoping they come out with, or maybe partner up with, an educational med channel next.
@ebc1f7
@ebc1f7 2 месяца назад
Love the video. Such a great way to visualize signals. Also that’s such a good Dune reference.
@Artie760
@Artie760 2 месяца назад
I’m currently studying to take my technician ham radio license and your video has given me a better understanding of how radio waves work. Fantastic job.
@pale_2111
@pale_2111 2 месяца назад
VHF and have some excellent range to it if the conditions are right. I've talked to another ham in north eastern Indian one night on a local repeater here in Tennessee. A few minutes later, another ham around Mobile, AL came on the repeater. Elevation plays a huge roll in getting out as well.
@NukaVaultReadiness
@NukaVaultReadiness 2 месяца назад
Awesome visual representations! As a Ham that likes to tinker with antennas, I found this super helpful.
@28larrysjunkmail
@28larrysjunkmail 2 месяца назад
You just explained something I have been unable to wrap my hands around since I began the radio journey! thanks for breaking it down barney style for me! The Tech Prepper has a lot of good data on regional comms using NVIS hopefully the two of you teaming up can make it more mainstream
@trustnobody6647
@trustnobody6647 2 месяца назад
Thank you for this video. Studying for my Technician license this weekend. This video helps reinforce some of the things I've been reading the past month.
@IG-fc4od
@IG-fc4od 2 месяца назад
Extremely grateful for this channel.
@Model_Student
@Model_Student 2 месяца назад
Absolutely love the use of light simulation software to model RF, if only for illustration purposes.
@Jody_VE5SAR
@Jody_VE5SAR 2 месяца назад
That was a very informative visual representation of a topic that is very difficult to communicate. Thank you for doing this!
@awparrish
@awparrish 2 месяца назад
I would love to see a future video on business band and encryption. Keep up the good work, brother
@T.REXLabs
@T.REXLabs 2 месяца назад
Will do!
@great_ah
@great_ah 2 месяца назад
Haha nice Dune reference there. Love those books...all of them!
@touge242
@touge242 2 месяца назад
Nice model Dr. Brown
@josiahb55
@josiahb55 2 месяца назад
Thank you, looking forward to radio recommendations for the prepared citizen
@rpwms2009
@rpwms2009 2 месяца назад
Very nice a channel the people needs
@LimaGolfBravo
@LimaGolfBravo 2 месяца назад
Thank you for this video. Like other fella, I too have been a ham for 25+ years and been looking for study material like this to pass on to my non-technical friends.
@kerbalairforce8802
@kerbalairforce8802 18 дней назад
06:00 Wifi Visualization 07:56 UHF Visualization 09:45 UHF in a city 12:12 VHF in a city 14:03 VHF in forest 16:51 HF 17:39 HF NVIS/Skywave 19:21 Recap/conclusion/ELF
@theroguenob
@theroguenob 2 месяца назад
I'm almost done with a my last peice of gear and next is my radio "network" so these videos are all saved in a list to rewatch and learn more when I take the dive
@Clembassador
@Clembassador 2 месяца назад
I found this video illuminating.
@markharrison1160
@markharrison1160 2 месяца назад
I'll agree it is a artist rendition to explain RF. I understand we don't have much else in the way of analogies that make it easy enough to understand. Visible light is higher up the spectrum with short wavelengths. Your presentation works as it explains the concepts for people to understand as long as people understand the nuances.
@williamcoop8945
@williamcoop8945 2 месяца назад
Great video! I’m an electrical engineer and you teach better than some of my profs
@813sierravictor
@813sierravictor 2 месяца назад
Probably the best explanation I've heard on the topic.
@laynesellers
@laynesellers 2 месяца назад
I loved lightwave 3D in the early 2000’s. Then Maya came out and we all switched.
@ehthick
@ehthick 2 месяца назад
Blender is on the come up
@T.REXLabs
@T.REXLabs 2 месяца назад
Yeah, I resisted the change and kinda got left behind... but now I think Maya is getting left behind. At this point, I would probably learn Houdini, Blender, or Cinema4D if I had to get back into animation.
@MrKakemann1
@MrKakemann1 2 месяца назад
Elevation beats watt, was something we learned the hard way.
@relapseFG
@relapseFG 2 месяца назад
Awesome topics are being covered with this channel, I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates it
@goodymb
@goodymb 2 месяца назад
NVIS for shorter distances, Yagi for directional. For an handheld depends on frequency, sometimes on handhelds bigger is not better.
@jackkoto2316
@jackkoto2316 2 месяца назад
I love all these lab videos. Been getting more into comms and DMR lately. That and the topo video you guys posted, KEEP THEM COMING.
@purplerays6
@purplerays6 2 месяца назад
Awesome, thanks Isaac! Great way to help me visualize the concepts. Love the channnel.
@RAMZAVFX
@RAMZAVFX 2 месяца назад
Notification crew!
@T.REXLabs
@T.REXLabs 2 месяца назад
The few, the happy few...
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 2 месяца назад
@@T.REXLabsThe few, the intelligent few...
@perrywaaz3660
@perrywaaz3660 2 месяца назад
I have em on, but I didn't have time to watch till now
@skydivingcomrade1648
@skydivingcomrade1648 2 месяца назад
Can you take the light wave 3D and plug in a Google maps/earth for real-world, simulation? @T.RexLabs
@skydivingcomrade1648
@skydivingcomrade1648 2 месяца назад
@FreedomOperatorOperatingOperat The idea is to map out the likelihood of radio traffic in an area before the need to walk it out, or reduce the time spent field testing by focusing on a narrow window, as apposed to trail and error methods.
@ittybittytractorworks
@ittybittytractorworks 2 месяца назад
Love your content. Keep it coming. I’m super excited for this channel!
@thecomoroskys
@thecomoroskys 2 месяца назад
Well presented info, please keep it up.
@brian9844
@brian9844 2 месяца назад
I was today years old when this started to make sense
@theamericansilverback
@theamericansilverback 2 месяца назад
Good stuff... I've been following along with TTP for a good while
@RaYan-mc1ly
@RaYan-mc1ly 2 месяца назад
continue your great work Isaac
@greggullett1272
@greggullett1272 2 месяца назад
Great way to visualize radio waves
@johnhopkins6935
@johnhopkins6935 2 месяца назад
So helpful! Thank you.
@Dave-AA0IW
@Dave-AA0IW 2 месяца назад
Height is might when it comes to antennas. Great video!
@alexbuilds706
@alexbuilds706 2 месяца назад
Great channel, great content!
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 2 месяца назад
Awesome useful sir!
@gabrielhawk2449
@gabrielhawk2449 2 месяца назад
Good stuff. Thank you
@CanadaGunTube
@CanadaGunTube 2 месяца назад
Great vid!
@hopewilliams6705
@hopewilliams6705 2 месяца назад
Thank you i have been having this delima!
@djy0tub3r
@djy0tub3r 2 месяца назад
Great video
@DATODATOHERI89
@DATODATOHERI89 2 месяца назад
thanks good explanation
@marcuselliott2851
@marcuselliott2851 2 месяца назад
Good video!
@ehthick
@ehthick 2 месяца назад
Drone radios mentioned!
@AndrewB416
@AndrewB416 2 месяца назад
This makes my HAM operator bones tingle. :)
@shaneciccarelli-palmer2962
@shaneciccarelli-palmer2962 2 месяца назад
The better lucas dropped a better video than most of the 2A community
@jonwebsterabbott
@jonwebsterabbott 2 месяца назад
Nice Doc Brown allusion...
@T.REXLabs
@T.REXLabs 2 месяца назад
You get points for being the first to spot it! Labs videos always have some subtle references and Easter eggs in them, and it's always fun to see who gets them first. It's not a contest... but there are winners.
@kyledavis2955
@kyledavis2955 2 месяца назад
This was very interesting. I work in public safety, always had it told to me that if we switched to UHF radios our performance inside of large buildings would be better (than VHF) because UHF would penetrate through the walls more easily. The video seems to suggest the opposite. Is this incorrect or were my coworkers mistaking the “bouncy-ness” of UHF for penetration?
@T.REXLabs
@T.REXLabs 2 месяца назад
It is almost impossible to tell the difference, and it depends a lot on building materials, so... likely?
@bagrambill
@bagrambill 2 месяца назад
17:40. NVIS Rocks, been using it for years...
@Nemesishk
@Nemesishk 2 месяца назад
lovely info
@benjamingibson8458
@benjamingibson8458 2 месяца назад
VOACAP is a great HF prediction software
@John-lz3hf
@John-lz3hf 2 месяца назад
This was super helpful, and I haven't seen anything similar to this visual representation. Are you on NOSTR by chance? I'd like to send some zaps if so.
@isaacbotkintrex
@isaacbotkintrex 2 месяца назад
I am not. I have lookee at it briefly, along with Mastodon, and Scuttlebutt, and I spend some time on a Matrix server, but I haven't really picked a peer to peer protocol to stick with.
@user-mw6mf8dg1e
@user-mw6mf8dg1e Месяц назад
sending love🙏💖🙏
@jordankelly5250
@jordankelly5250 Месяц назад
I see what you did there with the Loki reference lol
@xsweetxvampirousx
@xsweetxvampirousx 2 месяца назад
Awesome
@campuscolt65
@campuscolt65 2 месяца назад
I would love a video showing recommendations for shtf back up radios ones where like you can reach your spouse at home or at work when towers where to go down like ones you can lock in a car safe
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 2 месяца назад
🇺🇸
@TannerSwizel
@TannerSwizel 2 месяца назад
Besides elevation and increasing power is there any way to focus the stock antenna of a blister pack radio? Like making a reflector out of a pop can or some other kind of in situ MacGyver type stuff if that doesn't work? Just curious
@isaacbotkintrex
@isaacbotkintrex 2 месяца назад
That will help. Probably a piece of metal as a ground plane or a reflector will do something more than a tin can. The bigger issue is that many of those radios have very inefficient antennas, so you don't have as much to work with.
@MaxC_1
@MaxC_1 2 месяца назад
"How to get more radio range" idk man I just throw an antenna on it and blast 30W straight out in every direction and keep pressing the PTT on EMS bands Oh how did you know I have multiple outstanding arrest warrants?
@woodrowcall3158
@woodrowcall3158 2 месяца назад
If the FCC and OIS Foxhounds haven’t found you yet, you deserve to rock on.
@paulmorang8340
@paulmorang8340 2 месяца назад
I always thought that UHF would actually penetrate buildings better but be shorter range, and that VHF couldn’t penetrate dense buildings but would travel further, and those reasons being why UHF=urban, VHF=rural. Is this implying that VHF actually penetrates more, and that it may be better to use in an urban environment between 2 people INSIDE 2 different buildings, so that the signal would penetrate each one instead of just reflecting? And that if both people are OUTSIDE but in an urban environment, that’s optimal for UHF because of the reflection and not as much penetration? Weird way to ask the question but just trying to understand.
@isaacbotkintrex
@isaacbotkintrex 2 месяца назад
I think you are generally right, but it depends so much on the building materials that it's not always predictable.This is part of the reason that I like dual-band radios. If you and your buddy have a simple comms plan that tells you when to switch between bands or channels, you can try multiple things until you get through.
@user-wq8vy3zb3w
@user-wq8vy3zb3w 2 месяца назад
Does ATAK still work with the other OS you talked about in the degoogled video and can you speak on gmrs radios?
@isaacbotkintrex
@isaacbotkintrex 2 месяца назад
Yep, works great with graphene OS.
@RAMZAVFX
@RAMZAVFX 2 месяца назад
4:44 this is already in my domain lets GO!
@waylonk2453
@waylonk2453 2 месяца назад
HF is best F
@Raymond23rdOBC
@Raymond23rdOBC 2 месяца назад
Their are such things called RF Holes in terrain areas you wouldn't expect.
@jbroadway12
@jbroadway12 2 месяца назад
5:15 lol nice
@DPolk98
@DPolk98 2 месяца назад
Thumbnail is giving Dr. Who/ MIB vibes
@T.REXLabs
@T.REXLabs 2 месяца назад
Standard issue neuralyzer.
@nexthubbins
@nexthubbins 2 месяца назад
❤❤❤. Bou Fun. U.V. 5. U.V 8. What is the current screw on antenna that increases range over the stock mini nubbi one. A few years back I got the 771 and that fold out flattish military looking one in 42 inch. Is there any better options???????????❤❤❤. -|and Thank You for the great video Mr. Dinosaur ❤❤❤
@zachgolish57
@zachgolish57 2 месяца назад
Teach me moreee
@ThePolysyllabist
@ThePolysyllabist 2 месяца назад
don't forget low power + directional + repeater chains
@craigpalmer9196
@craigpalmer9196 2 месяца назад
as a ham i approve this video ! lol
@grinch45
@grinch45 2 месяца назад
In the 90-512 mhz range, with handhelds, if you stand next to the hood of a car you will get a range increase.
@isaacbotkintrex
@isaacbotkintrex 2 месяца назад
Ground plane hack.
@martinconroy304
@martinconroy304 2 месяца назад
What was the software at 4:05?
@isaacbotkintrex
@isaacbotkintrex 2 месяца назад
That is the basic veiwshed model inside of ATAK. It's very responsive if you have good resolution DEM data. There is also a plug-in to specifically estimate RF propagation, but I have not used it.
@BCM-556
@BCM-556 Месяц назад
You want crazy range from your HT? Use a Yagi LOL... I've had friends make crazy far distance contacts with just a 5W radio and a Yagi.
@Woodscraps-lr5vz
@Woodscraps-lr5vz 2 месяца назад
Still waiting for you to collaborate with NC Scout on this radio shit.
@josephhickman4849
@josephhickman4849 2 месяца назад
It’s big brain time
@StrokedTac
@StrokedTac 2 месяца назад
"Dont worry, I'll take care of the lightning. You just take care of your pop."
@robertcaseydavis
@robertcaseydavis 2 месяца назад
Best Botkon Brother.
@user-mw6mf8dg1e
@user-mw6mf8dg1e Месяц назад
Nyt🙏🇺🇸🙏
@nonactive3654
@nonactive3654 Месяц назад
420.6900 is the freq to shitkey into. Tell your buddies.
@SteelWolf13
@SteelWolf13 2 месяца назад
Get MORE Radio Range -better antenna. Better ground plain. Directional antenna or place a directional reflector behind it spaced out. Then crank 1500 watts through that amp! MUAHAHAHA!
@Raymond23rdOBC
@Raymond23rdOBC 2 месяца назад
don't forget about ULF
@T.REXLabs
@T.REXLabs 2 месяца назад
Didn't he come from the planet Melmac and eat cats?
@Raymond23rdOBC
@Raymond23rdOBC 2 месяца назад
@@T.REXLabsUltra Low Frequecies
@jcar1417
@jcar1417 Месяц назад
@@T.REXLabstoo young to get the Alf reference
@blake9893
@blake9893 2 месяца назад
Any chance Trex will ever supply antennas? I always feel so sketched out when looking for good ones online. Feels like there are a lot of knock offs out there….
@NacnudTheGreat
@NacnudTheGreat 2 месяца назад
Alton Brown of the Gun Industry
@isaacbotkintrex
@isaacbotkintrex 2 месяца назад
Not the Doc Brown?
@bryanl6558
@bryanl6558 2 месяца назад
But how many fars can I talk with my boofweng?
@lavenderlilacproductions
@lavenderlilacproductions 17 дней назад
Beat me to it
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