The advice to practise first by using only the forearm motion, and only after by adding the wrist, immediately and drastically improved my heavy backspin. Thank you!
So far this is the clearest demonstration of racket movement during served. My eyeballs almost pop out watching even slowmos of other videos but I could never catch the strokes. Thanks bunch.
@@tabletennisclips6223 I love playing outside in the park with friends, with some music, in the sun... you meet a lot of nice and chill people and its a lot of fun. of course the conditions aren't "tournament conditions", but everything else is great!
Thank you! I might get in some sneaky practice while my 12yo son is at school tomorrow. Beating the little bugger is getting harder and harder - so your advice is much appreciated! I hope he doesn't discover your channel... Cheers from Sydney - Dave ;-)
@@sixfcp5385 I'd say I'm about 60/40 win/lose to the young lad. He's now 13 and is beating me regularly at golf (I'm a low handicapper, but he is lower), he is beating me about 30% of the time at tennis (I played A grade comp tennis for many years) and now to really put the knife in, he annihilates me in cross country running (I ran long distance at state level when I was younger and competitively since then). I knew the time would come but honestly, not this soon! At least I can still get him at table tennis - for now! Are you dealing with the same tortous problem as me (accepting my physical decline)? 🙂
I've always doing the side spin from the side of the ball, but in this video he did it from the bottom. After giving some thought about it, I think brushing from side of the ball gives more trouble because the other player almost exclusively touch the ball vertically and it will lead the ball to the sides of the table upon touching, whereas brushing from the bottom of the ball does make the ball going to side of the table upon landing on the table before getting to the other player. IMHO, side brushing is more threatening in most scenarios. What do you think?
i do the same, but I disagree with your conclusions for 2 reasons: 1. side spin is side spin, now matter how you achieve it. The ball will also "pop sideways" a bit when doing it as shown in the video, but you always get some back spin with it, which can be nice. 2. the ball jumping to the side on the table is not necessarily a good thing. While it makes it harder to position for the ball overall, it also makes the sidespin much easier to read and less deceptive, so it's easier to adjust racket angle.
Hey Tom, I want to use a few clips from this video in my video on the physics behind spin. I will of course credit the shots accordingly. Is this cool? Great vid ;)
Once understood, it is not difficult to counter the spin in the serve at all. Essentially there are only 4 serves, Top spin, Back spin, two sideway spins, and that is all. Once understood how to counter the spin, one can almost always put the ball back on table, and challenge is to keep it as close to the net as possible and also on to the back hand side of the table, (assuming that most people have good forehand top spin and not so good with back hand). These are basics that these coaches have taught here in the video, none the less excellent video, thanks.
You have no idea, a pro would just bamboozle you seriously. You would seriously think a back spin serve is coming to have it kick over your head, the art is in disguising the serve, not the serve itself.
That little flick of the wrist at the end, can happen so quickly, while their brushing backspin pro's can actually flick a forward spin whilst still moving in the backspin direction. Sounds like you're a little below my level, you should try this wrist lick flick, whilst brushing, you might learn something.
I’m am sad because my school cancelled sport because it was wet on the grass and it dosent even effect my sport! I am in a ping pong team and I don’t even get to play sport :( so I wanted to practice new serves for ping pong and this vid helped meh
Thanks Tom. But you can understand where I am coming from. I have always struggled with my services as I toss the ball vertically and then move my body to get some spin- not easy. I always felt bad that I cannot serve like people in the videos. I know I am not as good but have good intentions to emulate the big gunsin my very smalll way- I will try and see if I can toss the ball high towards me- its gonna be a new toss
This spin ball has long been used / practiced in Indonesia, I have often seen children aged 10 years using this method not only when serving the ball, even often used to hit the ball attack from the opponent.😁
In video for backspin u told to make contact at top of bat But ..when I saw your backspin serve in slow motion every time the contact was by lower part of bat how do you explain this
short pimples with speed glue it the best for touch close to the net like tsp spectol double fish 830 830 a even speed glue with long pimples can be effective i have tried both
I practice serving back spin balls that go almost off the table and then roll back to the net. This way know they have maximum energy, both translational and rotational. Brushing is important to get the right ratio of backspin to speed. If there isn't enough backspin the ball will roll off the end of the table. So much must be precise. The height of the toss, where contact is made with the ball, where the ball lands on your side of the table. All of this must be right to get the ball to almost roll off the table and come back to the net. The next trick is to fool the opponent because good one will catch on.
Also, glad to address wrist & brushing. this makes sense. want to know the role of the forearm tho (this wasnt mentioned at all). is it as important than the wrist, more important? less important? i ask because i still struggle to get "really good" backspin from my serves, even w/ brushing and wrist. a local coach said i needed to use more forearm...hence the question.
Good question. It depends which serve you are doing, but there will always be a combination of wrist, forearm and elbow. Your wrist is very important when serving backspin, but you do need some forearm to add some forward acceleration. If you are not getting much backspin on the serve, it may be because there is not enough speed + brush when contacting the ball. You may find it easier to serve a little deeper initially. This forces you to accelerate more and use more forearm. Then when you are satisfied you generating more backspin, you can then try making the serve shorter.
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I hope I get a response on this comment. I know this video is several years old. One thing missing from many of these videos is the kind of paddle or rubber (on the paddle) to get the results desired. The $20 dollar paddle from the local box store cannot perform these maneuvers. What paddle would you recommend to get the spin necessary for the serves in this video??????????????
Honestly, the rubbers needed to do this don't need to be that expensive. The most important factor is the technique - very relaxed, with acceleration + brushing contact = lots of spin. Plus lots and lots and lots of practice. Craig could do this with a £30 table tennis bat also, as his technique is so good.
Good question. Craig may have a different answer to me. But for me the easiest way for any player to instantly improve whatever serves he/she has is placement. Spin and spin variation will then make your service game much, much stronger. Keeping every serve low over the net will make your serves even harder to return. And finally service deception will take you to another level, if combined with the other three. Might write an article about this for my website.
animaysh I agree with Tom. If you’re starting out with a basic serve, the easiest way to make it more effective is change the placement. The next stage is to change the placement but try to keep as similar starting point and action as possible. Developing more spin and finally creating deception with your serve come a little further down the line (of learning things).
Cool thanks for the response guys. I haven't tried to focus on similar starting point and action so I'll try that. I'm also thinking along the same lines with serve return. Beyond reading the spin and getting the ball back on the table I am wondering the importance of 1. placement, adding extra spin to the return (push/flick), keeping the return low/short, putting pressure on the return with an attack. Basically what the logical progression of serve and serve return in terms of upping the quality but not adding high risk until it's mastered. I.E. banana flicking is higher risk than a well placed pushed return (for most people;)
So in lots of vids they point out that you should land the first bounce fairly close to you, it kinda hides if it's a long or short serve and helps to keep it low. Here he is doing it the opposite way and lands close to the net. This is commonly referred to as ghost serve and not recomended because of its difficulty unless you are able to do it without fault most of the time like he is. But this might confuse many viewers?
Tried to do these today... Well, I guess I'll get them right in a year or so 😂 Damn it's so difficult to do these with so much backspin and still getting it low over the net
This is the beauty of table tennis. There are many ways of doing the same thing. If everybody were to serve in the same way, with the bounce always in the same position, it becomes a bit predictable. I am always wary of the people who say that a stroke / serve MUST be done in only one way. In reality there are multiple ways of doing every stroke. Find the method which works best for you.
Can you do all these videos just using backhand - at 5:01 you have done something what I am interested off! Please do a video on using just backhand and have all these variations
