It's incredible how consistent Dave's rhythmic phrasing is when doubling his vocals. If it wasn't for the small differencies, one would believe it was simply copied.
Compression is like paint. The goal is to make something a different color. You can do that by just adding all the paint needed at once to change it's color and it's a muddy (but STILL technically painted) mess or you can use the same amount of paint in multiple thin coats to change it's color AND preserve the character/detail of what you're applying it to. Or something like that.
Something I learned just recently is to turn the output down on my compressor plugins to match the volume before compression. It's really helped me decide if the compressor is really making the track better, or just louder.
This is exactly the type of video I've been looking for during 15 years of recording my vocals ! Please more ! (With Chester, Chris, Myles, Freddie, James, etc. etc.)
I love the new series! Dave is one of my all-time favorite singers, so I'll definitely be coming back to this video regularly. Would you consider doing an episode about Adam Gontier? I love your video on his technique, but the production is so important to his sound. Thanks for the content, Chris!
I listened to an early version of Tripping on A Hole by STP and Scott didn't double his vocals in the beginning. I couldn't believe how different it sounded to the final version on the record because until recently when I listened to songs like that I didn't listen critically. But now that you've pointed out the subtle doubling in this song, it made me think more about STP and how Scott Weiland used doubling as well.
u have literally taught me so much on how to use my voice i actually learned how to sing man in the box with proper the compression and helped me get way higher notes despite having a pretty deep voice THANK U CHRIS 🙌🙌🙌🤍🤍🤍 👑 👑
Yay 🥳... Dave was the first Rock singer I listened to when I was growing up in 8th grade. The first song I heard was The Pretender and I remembered knowing nothing about guitar and spending countless hours learning that song just by ear. It was the first song I ever learned on guitar.
Amazing stuff as usual. Love the little dude's cameo at 3:40 😆 Also, I just joined this most recent cohort of Discover Your Voice students and I'm LOVING it. I've done SLS stuff before, but genuinely, your course is exactly what I've needed. So thank you!
That's awesome Kevin! Glad Discover Your Voice is meeting you right you're at! And hehe... you caught my son's peek :) ... I didn't even see it until I went to edit the video haha.
Thanks a lot Chris for all the efforts and research you put in your videos. You clearly are the best I know concerning singing and mixing videos. Keep it up ! You already made me go far.
I feel like every time I listen to one of your videos, it either enforces something I stumbled upon on my own, or introduces some new idea. Thanks for breaking stuff down.
Man nice work!!!!!.......I never knew how much information can be articulated and dissected and ultimately masterfully communicated thru ur ability to use language to describes the undescribable,......the transcendent nature of music and how ,like a drug, it distracts us from our own mortality and imbues us with it's romantic cultural idealogies and helps us as individuals find beauty in The MOMENT....TO LIVE AND ENJOY LIFE, NOW.........TO BE TRULY PRESENT....is to be truly alive.........also.......I REALLY LIKED your version for your vocal aptitude and raw insight and how you colored the vocals with your own little style,....TO WHICH MY EARS COULD DISCERN A SLIGHT VIBRATO ATTENUATED VERY SUBTLEY,....YET ITS ELUSIVE AND DOESNT COME off as to poppy or contrived.........LIKE Dave u have a natural raspy and vulnerable TAMBER that what it lacks in technique it makes up for with an emotionally dynamic honest intent,.....that truly cuts straight thru to the soul and bypasses all other pretenses,...cuz it sees in rock music, a voice w too much vibrato combined with mathamatical precision makes for a artificial type sound that is at odds w the core views of Rick which at it's basic is and embraces rawness, minimalist, improvisational, random type of.music and your vibrato compliments this style of music since it sounds more random and.more natural vibrato that you added in ....then if the magic is present, if u can attain a young person's undivided attention and captivate them with a epic performance within this modern, attention divided , ADHD nation of short attention spans.........then u have truly achieved a miraculous phenomenon !!!!.....lol......
What the,5:08.☝️☝️☝️...can i feel in here a bit anger,..deep inside anguish,..is it going to bedeath growling ,.??!!!👊👊😂👏👏🤔🤔 And at the end,.chris his charming laughing,..luv it,.
Yo I appreciate these alot, my recordings/performances are pretty good, I can make guitars sound really good, but when it comes to vocals it always seems out of place... so these videos help alot, thanks man
Loved the demo on mixing the reverbs . Just joined your singing course ! Love this video. Absolutely dig the way you approach your video. Man just got to say... I'm a fan of what you doing. liked, subbed and all the rest. I'm glad I found your channel ! Have a fantastic day !
Again. Thank you Chris for this, as an aspiring vocalist and producer, Videos like this are pure GOLD. I would love to see some videos on some "More " produced voices.... ie; Black Keys??
The multiple takes is also kind off most of what gives chino moreno's clean vocals it's unique sound. He's obviously amazing and has its own style but yeah.
Thank you for this video! This kind of vocal production techniques are what I find so hard to find good references on. More like this please! 🙏 Can you do Ghost next?
Hey Chris, I've been loving all the multi track videos, especially with MJ. Gotta say, this video is INCREDIBLY helpful! I absolutely love this, and would really like to hear some more. How about something with Michael Buble and that amazing warm vocal sound he gets on Feelin' Good for example? Or Corey Taylor on the first stone sour record, the track Take a Number -- the delay in the verses is amazing, would love to see you decompose that. Another incredible one would be Matt Holt's sound on the nothingface record skeletons. Maybe machination? Anyway, thanks Chris, this is a brilliant video!
It seems so obvious now but using two separate reverbs for the short and long is an awesome idea that I had never thought of! One of my favorite mix engineers for modern heavy drums is Nolly, and he likes using a specific verb plugin on the snare that "explodes" from narrow to wide throughout the verb tail. I've wanted to get that sound but I don't want to spend the cash on that specific plugin, but now I'm gonna try using this technique with different widths on the verbs to maybe get a similar effect!
Hey chris,..awesome video,.as always,.really,.exactly my taste,.go on like that,... Maybe u can make a video of vocaling of band helmet,.song in the meantime,..page hamilton,.fabulous,..helmet is one of the big old ones,..regards
And yet they were still doubling there vocals like 90 percent of the time and they totally had access to hardware compressors and reverb's and what not. The Beatles themselves helped pioneer many of these things. The tech has gotten more powerful but the techniques have been in use for at least 50 or 60 years.
Suggestion/question. My very first song I ever wrote has a technique my dad would call “going psycho” where you move from a very slow melodic pace to a very heavy rock pace out of nowhere, (this is not the majority of the ballad, only a part of the bridge) what are ways to go about that? A fair example would be reds death of me where he repeats “I will not forget this I cannot forget this” increasingly louder, but it goes from the first one and jumps to the last one.
FYI, there are most likely are better examples, but that was the first off my head. And the difference is the first part has a kind of lulaby tone to it, then the last goes deep into the rock side.
You hear that little flip thing he does at the end of 'when I sing along with you' the yoooUUU thing. I hear that on a LOT of pro singers. What's that called, what causes it? It doesn't come naturally to me even if I hit their notes
Chris would you be interested in taking my vocal lead stem for one our original new songs and giving the effect you think is needed? I dont have mixing software. I have a tascam sd 2488 that is limited.
Great video Chris. QUESTION: I understand as a vocal coach you are in high demand. Do you know any coaches or students of yours that do one on one coaching that teaches the same methods as you. Specifically, they teach the same breathing technique as you including the act of using your poop muscles, using your false cords, using compression to manage air and whatever is involved to sing that first note with a good tone while maintaining it throughout the song. If you do know some, can you provide their website and/or business contact information. I tried using some vocal coaches via skype, but one area that they seem to really part from your teach is how they interrupt compression. When I ask about using false vocal cords their eyes turn red.
Check out one of my co instructors Lukas Magyar. You can find his private lessons at mymusicalvoice.com you should also look into joining sing together 365 where I can work with you face to face up to weekly! :)
I'm not sure if I missed it but, are the doubles hard panned LR or are they adjusted differently? Edit: I just noticed the knobs on the doubles they look like %30ish?
ya, not hard left and right for these... you don't want them to sound too "gang-like" You want them to sound like one voice sort of... which is also why I did the verbs the way I did them.
Lots of great vocalists and artists from John Lennon to Dave Grohl to Chris Cornell and brendon urie understand that studio and live are distinctly different platforms for expression. It’s not at all uncommon for the studio performances to be doubled, in a higher key and enhanced with effects you don’t hear live. Putting pressure to replicate a studio performance for your live performance is, in this day and age especially, both not necessary and will cause expectations you can’t rise to. Treat them as different works of art and different forms of expression like the pros do!
@@chrisliepe Thanks Chris for your elaborate explanation. But my point is, reverb, delay and even compression can be missing or different in different venues and there is no expectation to match these to the studio recording. But the vocal texture itself, like grit, nasality, etc. is the timbre itself and I would want to hear something close to what I hear on the album in a live situation. I still think it is an overstretch to double wildly different vocal textures. I'm sure Dave Grohl can get the texture right live because it is his natural voice. Please correct me if I'm mistaken in this manner. This would alienate me from the vocalist. This is why I like the Steve Albini way of recording a band live in the studio with minimal post processing. What you heqr is what you get. It sounds real and intimate.
@@kdakan I've seen him live several times, and he sounds good, but it IS very different from the studio recordings. In interviews, Dave is the first to say that he doesn't care for the sound of his voice in the studio so he doubles it to get extra texture. Kurt Cobain did the same thing. Even Steve Albini has been known to embrace vocal doubling and layering of the same vocalist even though it can't be replicated live. Same with some of the best Beatles recordings! :)
@@chrisliepe I wasn't saying double tracking vocals is bad, I meant it is not good to create a completely different texture from doubling which you cannot recreate live. Btw, Steve Albini refused to double track Kurt's vocals on the album In Utero, wiki article says, and there is a reference to that quote. The Albini version is a special edition that was only available after several decades, the record label insisted recording additional vocals and remixing on the songs that ended up as singles on the album.
@@kdakan I just saw My Chemical Romance live about about a week ago. Gerard sounded completely different than he does on the records, but he sounded GREAT! On the records, he doubles, even sings in higher keys than he performs many of the songs live. And they are both very different.. And they are both GREAT! Different art forms! I love both. I genuinely enjoy hearing my favorite vocalists live without all the production, and I really nerd out on what kind of creativity is brought out on the production side.
