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How to Harvest Hydrogen with Small Scale Waste Gasification - Part 2: A tour of SWG 

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We can use scalable waste gasification to get rid of waste and generate electric power without building and maintaining centralized facilities that suck up enormous amounts of money and take years to plan, permit, and construct. Just hauling waste consumes energy and increases pollution.
So far, recycling bottles, cans, car parts, and so on in those facilities pays off because it costs less than extracting raw materials from the earth to make glass and metal.
We’re not so lucky with plastic. Recycling plastic junk costs more than getting the raw materials for plastic. The extra cost is for energy to transport, sort, clean, and recycle plastic junk.
But if we had SWG units that turned waste into power in our homes and businesses, there’d be no pollution from hauling waste. Instead of consuming power, we’d produce it.
We can recycle waste at a molecular level and use the output to generate electric power.
Imagine a device the size of dishwasher installed in say, a family residence. The main components of the unit are:
- gas tight waste containment chamber
- solid state microwave heating unit
- pump for evacuating air and hydrogen
- hydrogen storage tank
- Stirling heat engine
- electric generator
- storage battery
Waste is placed in the chamber. The chamber is sealed and most of the air is evacuated. The microwave generator heats the waste until it is broken down into hydrogen molecules. The hydrogen gas is pumped into the holding tank. The Stirling engine consumes the hydrogen and drives the generator that produces electric power.
The amount of power produced by a SWG unit is estimated to be between 5 and 15 times the amount of power it uses to process the waste. To show why this is possible, below are energy calculations for a sample of 300 grams of plastic:
• E_in is the input energy in joules, i.e. the energy consumed to heat the plastic.
• E_out is the output energy in joules, i.e. the energy produced by burning the hydrogen to drive a Stirling heat engine that drives an electric generator.
• For reference:
1 watt = 1 joule/second; 1 MJ = 1 megajoule = 1,000,000 joules
By weight, 8% to 14% of plastic is hydrogen. We’ll use 11%.
The energy density of hydrogen is between 120 and 142 MJ/kg.
We’ll use 131 MJ/kg, i.e. 131,000 joules/gram, as the energy density of hydrogen.
The efficiency of a Stirling heat engine is about 40%. The efficiency of an electric generator is between 85% to 99%. We’ll use 92%.
In a recent test at the University of Oxford, upon exposure to microwaves for 90 seconds, hydrogen was rapidly evolved. Solid fragments of carbon and other substances were formed. Within the first 30 seconds, the evolved hydrogen rapidly increased to about 80% by volume of the evolved gases. Almost all of the high density polyethylene (HDPE) decomposed or deconstructed in 20 seconds. During that 20 seconds, almost 97% of the hydrogen is extracted from the plastic waste.
• Using the results from the test, we can calculate the input energy. The information about the test did not specify the power rating of the microwave oven, but let's call it 1000 joules/second.
E_in = 1000 joules/second X 90 seconds = 90,000 joules
• Starting with the energy density of hydrogen, we can calculate the output energy for 300 grams of plastic.
The amount of hydrogen in 300 grams of plastic = 0.11 X 300 = 33 grams
The amount of hydrogen that can extracted = 0.97 X 33 grams v= 32.01 grams
The heat energy released by burning 32.01 grams of hydrogen =
32.01 grams X 131,000 joules/gram = 4,193,310 joules
The mechanical energy generated by the Stirling heat engine =
0.40 X 4,193,310 joules = 1,677,324 joules
The electrical energy generated from the mechanical energy =
0.92 X 1,677,324 joules = 1,543,138.08 joules
• Hence, E_out = 1,543,138.08 joules
and E_out/E_in = 1,543,138 joules / 90,000 joules = 17.15
Thus, it’s theoretically possible that the ratio of the input energy to the output energy could be over 15X. Even if in practice the ratio is less, it’s likely that processing a quantity of plastic waste in a SWG unit will generate more energy than the process itself.
Stop thinking big and centralized. Start thinking small and distributed. Imagine the benefits of SWG units in homes, apartment buildings, and small businesses.
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@apyogapaartiban
@apyogapaartiban Год назад
During pyrolysis of plastic we get more harmful gases like SO2. Also, before we reach temprature to break C---H bond we get various products like petrol etc. Also, basically the plastic has to undergo various cleaning process before pyrolysis because all plastics is basically a mixture of plastic and various different compound suiting the needs. It will be good if SWG can clarify these things because we badly need a way to replace plastic to usable product. Thanks.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf Год назад
My background is in electronics and software so it's difficult for me to answer questions about chemical reactions. It is my hope that because pyrolysis takes place in a closed container we will be able to trap and safely remove or further process noxious components.
@TheAsmarhussain
@TheAsmarhussain Год назад
if used in an educated manner it can be used . consumer waste if segregated at home in plastics and food will be sufficient to eliminate the creation of SOX . utilize plastic waste in swg. as per my knowledge the common household plastics dont have sulfur in them. some specific plastic do have them but there are not that common. in southeast asia i think if we utilize this to treat shopping bags problem it might help us overall. i will be trying this in near future. i hope it works
@Flamelit
@Flamelit 8 месяцев назад
Mix the plastic with corn starch to break it down
@zoooooooof
@zoooooooof 4 месяца назад
Please don't try this at home. Safely preventing and monitoring the creation of dioxins just doesn't scale down to a dishwasher.
@truethought369
@truethought369 2 месяца назад
Remember the old saying, don't keep all your eggs in one basket? The only reason we have LARGE utilities, is for them to make loads of MONEY. I agree with you on, having lots of small plants for everyone! I like the idea of doing your own recycling, also it would be good using wind, sunlight, water power to make electricity. This is how it should be, we would have more than we need. But, until the controlling money people are removed, we will just have to do this quietly for ourselves.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 2 месяца назад
Thank you for watching and commenting. It's still surprising to me that the default solution to generating and distributing energy is large centralized facilities attached to elaborate power grids. For many regions, generating power where it will be used makes more sense. Plus, it allows each home or business to select waste to energy, solar, wind, geothermal, and other sources of energy. Each site can use what works best for them. They don't have to wait for a utility company to string a cable to them. And if any of them fail, the others keep working.
@MrGorantlasudhakar
@MrGorantlasudhakar 11 месяцев назад
Looks to be a feasible project which can be tried on a small-scale experiment and evaluate it for about three to four months can give a feasibility of this electric generation from plastic waste will give confidence of its project for commercial purpose.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 11 месяцев назад
Yes, that is exactly what I am hoping will happen.
@bindiberry6280
@bindiberry6280 11 месяцев назад
Modern technology can be used to farm methane with your kitchen waste and lawn waste in two one cubic meter plastic containers. You can compress those methane fully automated into a light-weight, installable propane tanks for charging your Aptera in the backyard 7/24. If you don't use them to charge your Aptera, you can use them to cook your food or warm your house as well. All kitchen waste will become fertilizers eventually, which you can sell/donate to vertical/roof-top organic farms around metropolitans.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for watching the video and thanks for writing about another way to generate power from waste materials. The great thing about these techniques is that they can be applied at the site of where the waste is generated which saves fuel and reduces pollution caused by trash hauling. Also, these techniques enable us to generate energy in a distributed fashion instead of at large monolithic generation facilities that require an elaborate power grid.
@constantindespan403
@constantindespan403 2 года назад
I'm watching again and again and like the idea more and more. So COP is 15? Can you do a simulation with a fuel cell instead of Stirling engine and generator?
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 2 года назад
Thank you for watching the video. The estimated input to output energy is 15. I avoid using the term "estimated coefficient of performance (COP)" because it is normally applied to heating and cooling devices, not power generation. I'm not an expert in either field, but I hope people who are more expert than me will see the promise of SWG and expand on it. There are multiple permutations of the process. The intent of the video is to spur thinking about the process and the permutations, e.g. using a fuel cell. I'm still learning about them and how one might be used in a SWG unit. Again, thank you for watching this video. Feel free to share the link.
@MrJosem02
@MrJosem02 Год назад
Creo sería buena idea que puedas hacer el proyecto sobre este tema ya que solo propones teorías y de la teoría a la práctica hay mucho camino
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf Год назад
Si, eso sería bueno.
@kittywampusdrums4963
@kittywampusdrums4963 Год назад
Would it be worth the output you get vs the input energy for the magnetron? Just stick to normal wood gasifiers and you can't lose I'd say.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf Год назад
Thanks for commenting. If the only goal is to produce energy, gasifying wood is fine, but I'd like to get plastic waste out of the environment too. There are now solid state microwave emitters that are more versatile, controllable, and efficient than magnetrons. The hope is that by using microwave heating we have more control of the heating so we can adapt the system to many different kinds of waste and other materials. There's some interesting work being done at Rice University in Houston, Texas that may be applicable.
@timholdeman180
@timholdeman180 11 месяцев назад
Could u use solar power to run the microwave heater that would burn the plastic waste
@MrAfroGroove
@MrAfroGroove 2 года назад
Greetings @moviesbymartino, I love your videos, on SWG Do you know of any company now that build SWG units that produce Hydrogen ? pls advise, thank you
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 2 года назад
I haven't found a company that makes SWG devices. It seems that a few are exploring the concept. The videos are intended to encourage such companies to design their own and sell them.
@harryman11
@harryman11 Год назад
Have you done an actual test, sterling to electrical energy efficiency at 92% more likely closer to 30% but still lots of hydrocarbon waste has lots of extra energy to be harvested. Is there any test units being developed.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf Год назад
Thank you for your question. No, to my knowledge there have been no tests or test units that address this issue.
@bayoehartadi7379
@bayoehartadi7379 Год назад
Can we use biomass instead of plastic waste for the input ?
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf Год назад
Yes. Biomass is yet another material that can be gasified in the SWG system. I'm pretty sure there are other types of gasification systems already doing this. A few years ago Bill Gates helped finance a prototype for a microwave gasification toilet. May not exactly the biomass you have in mind, but biomass nevertheless. Thank you for watching the presentation and for taking the time to post a great question.
@user-ge2yc1hv3n
@user-ge2yc1hv3n 3 месяца назад
Great concept.......are any of these units been installed and where will I get the latest price and availability information
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 3 месяца назад
No units have been built or installed yet. However Levidian Nanostructures has a larger system that is similar. If enough people express interest, perhaps they or another company will make them. In the meantime please share the videos so others see the possibilities. I'm working on a video with updated information. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@user-ge2yc1hv3n
@user-ge2yc1hv3n 3 месяца назад
Thank you for the reply..It is unfortunately absolutely necessary to have 1 unit in operation for at least 6 months as a pilot plant/unit to be enable the design engineer to collect real time data which can either be used to improve the concept or use the data as marketing material.
@verikshhaab8556
@verikshhaab8556 8 месяцев назад
Guys can any of you could say in general how to do animation like this or what is the best free website or app to create like this visual animation prototype of our science project
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 8 месяцев назад
Glad you asked about the animations. The animations were made using Apple Keynote and Pixofield Keyshape. The sound and music were done using Apple GarageBand. Keynote and GarageBand are free on macOS. The Keyshape app costs about $40. This style of animation can be done with most presentation software like PowerPoint. I am working on the first lesson in a series that show how to do this. The series is called "Making Moments" It's mostly a matter of using free presentation software, but thinking of the videos as movies instead of presentations. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 8 месяцев назад
The first lesson in the series is now available on MoviesByMartino. It's titled " Making Moments - Lesson 1 - How to ease into animation with a Keynote cartoon". It should get you started and I think it will answer a lot of your questions. Here's the link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-If1G2IsSqms.html
@damonsisk4270
@damonsisk4270 11 месяцев назад
Just burn the plastic at very high temperature so that no unburned (pollution) fuel leaves the chimney. No need for microwave heater and much less residue. But I know of no Sterling engines that achieve 40% thermal efficiency! Even our vehicles (obviously not Sterling cycles, but still thermodynamicly limited heat engine cycles) only get 20 to 25% efficiency.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for watching the video and for another approach. I hadn't considered very high temperature incineration. If the burning is done in a way that contains polluting chemicals until they burn, that would probably work. Thanks again for your idea!
@tomasadorno9050
@tomasadorno9050 7 месяцев назад
With plasma gasification you xan evaporise the waste including plastics who convert to singas that can operate an engine and also heat csn be used to run a generator or turbine engine ti create electricity
@Cynthia_Cantrell
@Cynthia_Cantrell 10 месяцев назад
So where did all the carbon go from the plastic?
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 10 месяцев назад
The carbon, if there is any remaining, gets filtered out and safely stored. It can then be recycled into other products. It is also possible to adjust the system to produce graphene, a valuable form of carbon. Depending on the type of plastic, there may be a relatively small amount of carbon. In any case, the carbon is kept under control and out of our environment.
@TG-lp9vi
@TG-lp9vi 7 месяцев назад
Where does the carbon from the posting go ?
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 7 месяцев назад
If the flash joule method is used the carbon converts to graphene which can be sold and used in electronics, carbon fiber structures, and other applications. In other methods the carbon can be sequestered and stored for other uses. Thank you for watching the video and for taking the time to comment on it.
@constantindespan403
@constantindespan403 2 года назад
I don't get where E_in=1000j/s is coming from. Please help. Thx
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 2 года назад
That value is a guess at the power input from the microwave oven in the experiment. The information about the test did not specify the power rating of the microwave oven, but let's call it 1000 joules/second. E_in = 1000 joules/second X 90 seconds = 90,000 joules Because RU-vid limits the number of characters in the description, I had to shorten some of the text. In doing so, I lost this detail. I added it back in and removed one of the links instead. Thank you for catching this and asking about it.
@TimSmith-vl4qk
@TimSmith-vl4qk Год назад
DUDE During pyrolysis of plastic IT CREATES SOMETHING SIMLER TO LPG
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf Год назад
I think the temperature has a lot to do with whether you get liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) or free hydrogen from the pyrolysis of plastic. Thanks for raising this topic. I've seen videos and articles about it. I hope people who know more about chemistry and business will turn SWG into a business. Thanks for watching! Feel free to share the link.
@TimSmith-vl4qk
@TimSmith-vl4qk Год назад
@@markinoWindsurf plastic doesn't make hydrogen because hydrogen is made from water not oil
@TimSmith-vl4qk
@TimSmith-vl4qk Год назад
@@markinoWindsurf hydrogen is not made from oil its made from water and electrolysis you don't know about gaseous isotopes LPG is made from pyrolysis of plastic
@98f5
@98f5 5 месяцев назад
I dont understand i microwave plastic all the time and nothing happens
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 5 месяцев назад
The plastic needs to be in an airtight container and heated probably at least 800 degrees.
@1Tane55
@1Tane55 2 года назад
89%waste including some very toxic chemicals and no mention of how you would handle the waste.
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 2 года назад
I didn't mean to brush over that detail. We should be able to break down the toxic molecules, extract hydrogen if there is any, and convert the rest to graphene. If there are any other toxins remaining, at least they would be contained and controlled. I don't have a general solution for what to do with them. Each chemical probably requires different treatment. Most household plastics should break down without leaving toxins. Plus, it is likely that plastics with food waste can be processed so the plastic does need to be cleaned. Thank you for watching and pointing out the unaddressed issues.
@MrJosem02
@MrJosem02 Год назад
Yes, trata correct that si not easy, remember plastic produces bad chemicals the idea is like the pirolisys. I don’t consider it’s a good idea to burn plastic in our houses and as my friend up there said you still have garbage to manage when burning the plastics
@98f5
@98f5 5 месяцев назад
The plastic is not "gone" this is misinformation
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf 5 месяцев назад
Perhaps converted or transformed would have been better.
@DSAK55
@DSAK55 Год назад
Lame
@markinoWindsurf
@markinoWindsurf Год назад
I'll do better. Thanks for watching this one!
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