How To Hone A Winning Engine Block - NHRA Champ Greg Anderson Shares His Secrets!

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When NHRA Pro Stock's winningest driver opens the door to his shop and shows you how to hone an engine block , you might want to get out a note pad! Greg Anderson reveals the machine, the process, the inspection tools (and even the abrasives) he uses to hone race winning engine blocks.
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@WyFoster Год назад

In college I built along with my friend a stock for 302. (We were poor college kids) We meticulously went over every machining step. Got a new set of stock replacement pistons. So, it was truly stock. Balanced the rotating assembly to withing a gram. Honed, align honed, trued up the deck and heads. We put out 288hp when factory was 210. Man we were proud.

@TotalSeal Год назад

👍👍

@israelmathes6268 Год назад

I used to not care much for Mr Anderson, but it was only because he kept beating my favorite pro stock driver and friend Allen Johnson. After watching your videos he really is a cool dude. Since Allen is no longer now pull for Mr Anderson on race weekend.

@TotalSeal Год назад

Greg is a great guy!

@alfee9411 5 месяцев назад

Yeah I kinda felt that way too WJ all of the way

@4speed3pedals 7 месяцев назад

One factor not mentioned about using the torque plate is bolt length. Ford uses bolts of the same length but the small block Chevy has used 3 lengths since 1955. The exposed bolts are short and the others under the valve cover are long. In the past, the 2 end bolts under the covers were slightly shorter than the other 7. I have spoken with some people during an AERA webinar and mentioned this and the speaker said that the bolts that are used should realistically be the length of the bolts used in final assembly. This means spacers are required for 9 of the head bolts. He said it makes a difference if all the bolts are short.

@TotalSeal 7 месяцев назад

Great point.

@larryanderson2766 Год назад

Both of you are a total class act. These videos are appreciated

@TotalSeal Год назад

Wow, thank you!

@simonm7776 5 месяцев назад

Amazing machine. Great idea, for accuracy, to torque down a dummy cylinder head

@billshiff2060 Год назад

I came up with "plateau honeing" back in 1980 in prostock. It is just applying normal bearing design to cylinder surfaces and there is a friction an oil control element to it also. Before that Pro stockers used a straight fine hone finish.

@supercuda1950 Год назад

I used to hate to see Greg run (especially against a Dodge) but now that Dodge is Pro Stock history and I see that he does his homework, I am really impressed with him. Thanks for educating me even though at 73 I don't see me competing against you. I may never use the tech you are showing but maybe I can impress my garage buddies with my knowledge. Thanks again and good luck in your racing. dodge

@TotalSeal Год назад

Thanks for watching!

@Frank289100 11 месяцев назад

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN PRO STOCK SINCE 1983 WHEN THEY MANDATED TO 500 CUBIC INCH RULE. WHAT GREG ANDERSON AND THE REST OF THE GM CHEVY GUYS WERE RUNNING UNDER THE HOOD. WAS CALL THE DRCE - DRAG RACE COMPETITION ENGINE. THE 500 CUBIC INCH RULE WAS GM'S WAY HAVING THE NHRA IN THEIR POCKETS FOR YEARS. IS HOW THEY GOT THE NHRA TO MANDATE THAT 500 CUBIC INCH RULE. TO GET RID OF THE FORD CLEVELAND DOMINANCE. THEN WARREN JOHNSON ALONG WITH GM TOOK A OLDSMOBILE BLOCK AND STUFFED IT LIKE A THANKSGIVING DAY TURKEY WITH A ROTATING ASSEMBLY FROM A BIG BLOCK CHEVY. THEN THEY MADE A BIG PAIR OF FORD CLEVELAND HEADS FOR IT. SO WHAT GREG ANDERSON, WARREN JOHNSON AND ALL THE REST OF THEM WINNING RACES UNDER THE HOOD OF THEIR CHEVYS WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A BIG CUBE FORD CLEVELAND MOTOR. THIS IS THE REASON FORD DOES NOT PARTICIPATE IN PRO STOCK. BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY A FORD POWERED VENUE. THIS IS WHEN BOB GLIDDEN WENT OUT AND GOT THE OLD BOSS 429 NASCAR MOTOR. AND BY HIMSELF, ONE CAR ALONE. YEAR AFTER YEAR CRUSHED A ARMY OF GM PRODUCTS. GM YEAR AFTER YEAR STARTED TO CAST NEW HEADS,BLOCKS TO MAKE THEIR BIG CUBE CLEVELAND ENGINE FASTER TO BEAT GLIDDEN'S BOSS. AND AS THEY GOT FASTER GLIDDEN WOULD SLIGHTLY PORT HIS BOSS HEADS KEEPING HIM AHEAD OF THE ALL OF THEM. THIS IS THE REASON I CALL IT THE PHONY RACING CHEVY DYNASTY. FOR DECADES SINCE THE AMA BAND OF 1957. CHEVY HAS BEEN CHEATING THEIR WAY TO THE FINISH LINE..

@edsmachine93 Год назад

Very nice guys. The Rottler and Gregg's skills came throught on the Ford. Thanks for sharing. Take care, Ed.

@TotalSeal Год назад

Thanks!

@seanbrown8269 Год назад

Great stuff! Very excited to see the results! Would love more info on the best uses for gas ported pistons, versus rings, versus vertical gas ports, when to use what and why?

@TotalSeal Год назад

Vertical gas ports on the piston are best for max power, but they have the shortest life. Gas ported piston rings have the longest life with the same power increase as lateral gas ported pistons.

@johnnyhonda7576 Год назад

I had to screenshot the engine. I was hoping it was a Cleveland but not so. Thanks for all the videos

@TotalSeal Год назад

Yep, It's an R block.

@rockwasequim5924 8 месяцев назад

I can't afford this, but I want too. Nice work snd machine.

@TotalSeal 8 месяцев назад

You and me both!

@TurboV8boi 10 месяцев назад

Dang it, I don't see part 2 yet! haha I'm really looking forward to seeing what the new parts do (and same cam). I'm going to hone my block so of course I'm on RU-vid figuring it out and I get a good idea on how the "garage guy" would do it then I see this... the best way to do it. Pretty cool stuff.

@TotalSeal 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching. The other video is coming out soon.

@vdubs4life1964 Месяц назад

here is a test.. Hone the block with the torque plate, take the torque plate off and bolt on the actual head and remeasure from the bottom of the block.

@roncoburn7771 Год назад

gregg is awesome great video lake can you tell him i need my harley cylinders honed on that rottler

@TotalSeal Год назад

LOL

@ericrmk7608 10 месяцев назад

@TotalSeal.... Your videos are a great asset to help us understand so many aspects of the honing and ring process.... Sincere question here... that NO ONE answers... WHERE can we find the shops that run the new Rottler equipment that are production shops that will take in small shop or idividual work? Over the recent years... in most of your videos.. you are showing the process on the all of the great new machines... Great to show these processes...but with no facility to offer the services... where are we?? These new Rottler machines are incredible.. and offer control in the builds to provide 1)Accuracy 2)Cylinder-to-Cylinder repeatability to give the the RVK/RPK values... All so we have engines that require only minor break in... and provide what we need. I've called Rottler and myriad shops with ZERO headway with this question. And YES... Sure.... an experienced machinist.... with fastidious attention to detail, using an older machine... can provide the result... BUT... (big but)...you will have a better chance of correct outcome, repeatedly, with the modern hones as shown in your MANY videos. Finding the combo your show in your vid here... hit and miss (more miss across the country) v=w_QvQaHYzNs Any help with this and some direction would be much appreciated.

@TotalSeal 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the reply. Ed Kiebler and Scott Rowe at Rottler know where these machines are. They can help you.

@rolfemarquis1017 Месяц назад

i hadn a question more than a comment. you said how important the honing numbers are for valley depth. this is the 4th thime ive built the motr and every time we went deeper on the valleys the bore looked better. last hone was at 65-70 depth this time they went 130 on the valley does that spound to deep? it sounds a little deep and i dont want to have consumption issues. its a 4cyl turbo app with forged pistons and iron block at 507 hp atm tune wise and anywhere from 25-30 psi boost.

@KimiWallrus Год назад

Music sounds H.E.D.dy 😉 We see you Pete!

@gordowg1wg145 Год назад

I see you machined it with the main caps in place - might mention the importance of that for the shape of the bore bottoms? Quite some years back, there was a fad for hot honing - running hot water through the coolant passages to replicate the thermal distortion - have you noticed any difference and/or would it be worth-while for alloy rather than CI blocks?

@TotalSeal Год назад

Hot honing is great for regular cast iron and Aluminum blocks.

@robertledford7065 Год назад

Ive watched a lot of your videos. From what Ive gathered using Sunnen stones, Ive changed how I I remove down to .0004-.0005" with a 70 or 120 grit depending on how much boost it will see and then finish up with a 280. I like to run a ball hone in reverse 2-3 strokes to go against the honed grain and then forward another 2-3 and it looks awesome. I am pretty confident my numbers close to right but im planning to rent a profilometer to be precise. Can you give me any advice on how to find info on setting it up? Its a Mitutoyo SJ-210 series 178 and Ill only have it a few days to check my Rvk and Rpk values. Is that the same model used in your videos? Thanks a lot for all the helpful info!

@TotalSeal Год назад

Thanks for the question. Here’s a video on how to set it up. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yk74chDVM8Y.html

@billshiff2060 Год назад

3:00 Hot honing is an impossible dream. Just heating up the whole thing does nothing but make the entire thing bigger. It does not simulate the heat in a running engine and never will/can. The upper cylinder runs hotter than the lower cylinder and much hotter than the bottom of the block while the cooling water flow changes it all again. Then there is heat input into the block from the cylinder head that is uneven.

@doggfriendly Год назад

When installing a torque plate should we be using number 2 permatex on head bolts that go into water ?

@TotalSeal Год назад

That is not needed when installing the torque plate just for honing.

@jimhmod Год назад

What kind of storage procedure/engine fogging/whatever do you use for storing an engine? I'll assume you unloaded the valve train.

@TotalSeal Год назад

We highly recommend the Foggit product for storage.

@AlexORoark Месяц назад

Have you tested the effect of a torque plates on each side of a V8 simultaneously. It seems unlikely to make a difference but worth testing.

@TotalSeal Месяц назад

They have, and they use torque plates on both sides whenever possible.

@bluegizmo1983 Год назад

Honing an engine block to perfection is easy! You just take one of those spring loaded three stone hone thingies and chuck it in a handheld drill and go to town on that thing! 🤣

@808vws8 3 месяца назад

I wonder if they would build me a watercolled 1.8T or a 2.8 VR6? I luv to have a solid motor built by such a great team. Aloha from Hawaii

@TotalSeal 3 месяца назад

Aloha! The guys at KB Titan just build Pro Stock engines...

@doggfriendly Год назад

What was said at 3:03 into video ? I could not for the life of me hear or reason out what he said he could see they were not doing. Then the guest said well some people live and die for it etc. Any help appreciated Stay blessed

@ryanwalsh3966 10 месяцев назад

I want my 14 Ram 5.7 bored and honed like this with a rottler. I am an hour from Nashville TN. Where can I get this done?

@TotalSeal 10 месяцев назад

Shacklett Automotive near the Fairgrounds. They have a Rottler and know how to hone like this.

@jacksonmyers1126 11 месяцев назад

That intake manifold in the background 🤫

@TotalSeal 11 месяцев назад

Good eyes!

@GNX157 3 месяца назад

What are you saying at 3:03 ? What are you not doing?

@SirCoolJerk1030 11 месяцев назад

I have never seen a rusted cylinder Clean up with .001 honing.

@TotalSeal 11 месяцев назад

Greg and the Rottler hone got it done.

@joe-hp4nk Год назад

I don't have torque plates at home, can I still hone my engine?

@TotalSeal Год назад

Yes, you can hone an engine without torque plates. it just won't have as good of bore geometry as if you did have torque plates.

@pauljanssen7594 Год назад

One time we honed a rusty block and it had a pinhole rust holes basically the the block was toast. Not worth taking a chance on the block when they're dime a dozen.

@bobirving6052 11 месяцев назад

Those rust pinholes may not have even made a noticeable difference in power or blowby.

@danielhoyos2334 9 месяцев назад

How much for honing a Block? Where are you guys located?

@TotalSeal 9 месяцев назад

Contact the folks at Rottler Mfg to find a shop with one of these hones near you.

@____MC____ 10 месяцев назад

What determines cross hatch angle?

@TotalSeal 10 месяцев назад

Mechanically, it is the speed of the stroke and rotational speed of the hone head. With the Rottler CNC hone, you just enter the value you want, and the hone does all the math to deliver that angle. In regards to how to choose a cross hatch angle, we made a video on that as well: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cRINK2O63GM.html

@____MC____ 10 месяцев назад

@@TotalSeal awsome

@paulsmith-ld8xl 2 месяца назад

Rattler hone best hone in the business.

@gagepool4175 Год назад

If you don't have access to a profilometer, what's a Good "All Around" honing procedure/Diamond selection to achieve correct surface finish? And does it only apply to "new" Rings that need more valley or does these new procedures of honing benefit older style Rings packages also? Thanks

@TotalSeal Год назад

We highly recommend investing in a profilometer as that is the only way to know what your honing process created. Short of that, follow the procedure shown in this video. That will get you in the ballpark.

@gagepool4175 Год назад

@@TotalSeal 10-4 Thanks

@lukesimeon5756 11 месяцев назад

Great video guys can’t tell you how much I appreciate the info... I live in southeast Louisiana... I don’t own the machine equipment or a profilometer to do my own cylinder finishing but would really like to get my blocks done by someone who does... could you recommend anyone in the Gulf Coast region that you know has the equipment to do it correctly... if not then could you maybe put up a list of the shops that you know have this equipment outside my area... I know this is a tall order but I think many of your viewers would benefit from this as well as me... I appreciate your time

@cel729 Месяц назад

Now, if they could just give them away. 😂😂😂

@YouCantSawSawdust Год назад

If it made the same horsepower after 20 years,it had the wrong valve springs in it initially.

@TotalSeal Год назад

No loss of spring rate over 20 years of storage. We have the original build sheet. The spring rates are within a pound or two now as when the engine was built.

@bobirving6052 11 месяцев назад

Wow!

@bobirving6052 11 месяцев назад

Very professional builder, and top notch information!