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How to Improvise a Chaconne on the Lamento/Descending Tetrachord 

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@lukasluftlaufer1093
@lukasluftlaufer1093 Год назад
Mom, can we have descending tetrachords? We have descending tetrachords at home. ... The descending Tetrachords: C-Dur | F-Dur | G-Dur | C-Dur
@georgepavlov3350
@georgepavlov3350 Год назад
Man you’ve touched my heart with what you do and how you teach. I’m 82 and never to old to learn and I don’t play piano but music is in my heart
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
yeahhh, thanks for comment! You‘re welcome
@gabrielakochmusic
@gabrielakochmusic Год назад
😍 so good!!! ✨
@superblondeDotOrg
@superblondeDotOrg Год назад
Lone Honest Improviser admits jamming sounds like soggy purposeless noodling to listeners unless carefully prepared 😂
@rjdubu1485
@rjdubu1485 Год назад
You’re material is becoming better and better with every upload! It’s awesome to see your videography and editing improving! I promise I’ll be a pattern supporter of you once I have some extra American pesos here in a few months!
@HanStanwell
@HanStanwell Год назад
The Lament bass is so good it can even be found in Ray Charles “Hit The Road Jack” . Next week you cover the chromatic lament? Thy hand Belinda, darkness shades me
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
I eventually decided to keep it out because otherwise the video would've been much longer. I will cover this topic another day... pheww
@JazzGuitarScrapbook
@JazzGuitarScrapbook Год назад
@@en-blanc-et-noir video on the Bach Crucifixus could be a long one…
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
@@JazzGuitarScrapbook 13 (THIRTEEN) chromatic cycles! Somes a clishé just turns out to be true
@JazzGuitarScrapbook
@JazzGuitarScrapbook Год назад
@@en-blanc-et-noir someone must surely have done a Bach numerology iceberg vid?
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
@@JazzGuitarScrapbook I'm pretty sure! sounds actually hilarious!!!
@brianbuch1
@brianbuch1 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for this and for the PDFs. I was playing with your realizations and within a few minutes I was improvising. So long as I wasn't hyper self critical, I had a lot of fun.
@TheWorldOfHarmony
@TheWorldOfHarmony Год назад
Did you just step on the organ bench? Hmmm...😁Wieder ein ausgezeichnetes Video!
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
nooooo! merci:D
@WhistlebirdInfinity
@WhistlebirdInfinity Год назад
Your style of explaining things and your spot-on humor made my morning surprisingly fun. Now i am gonna jam using my Kontakt library called Noire. Respect and Gratitude!
@davidfreel1451
@davidfreel1451 5 месяцев назад
Great to find you. Thre are so many duffers who have never played a tune by ear tediously explaining the shoddy information written by a well connected incompetent two hundred years ago before demonstrating horrid realisations. I like your style ! Thanks for the generous work you do,
@SimoneBattaglia94
@SimoneBattaglia94 Год назад
Something else you can do is using 2/4 chords, adding chromatic alterations to chords and sometimes even almost modulate. I am thinking for example doing a tenor cadence on C or having a minor third on A and doing a weak cadence on C 3/6. Would be easier to post a written example I suppose. I suggest looking into Purcell's treatments of grounds and tetrachords (Also to "when I am laid in Earth") to have some interesting examples.
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
You're describing the "wandernde Kadenz" :D
@SimoneBattaglia94
@SimoneBattaglia94 Год назад
@@en-blanc-et-noir good to know it has a name! 🙂
@AlessandroSistiMusic
@AlessandroSistiMusic Год назад
6:00 😜😂
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
lööööl
@hcab14
@hcab14 27 дней назад
great video !
@hawkbirdtree3660
@hawkbirdtree3660 6 месяцев назад
This is amazing. It's like someone showing me a talent I didn't know I had.
@usaroman
@usaroman 4 месяца назад
Hallo Michael, Is there a follow up video where Alexander Weimann improvises a chacone??? Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Das ist sehr toll und wunderbar.
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir 4 месяца назад
danke, danke… that is the video on Weimann ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HNEMyvS7xwU.html
@terryjones6632
@terryjones6632 Год назад
I really would like to become a patron. But it is very confusing, to me at least. It is (Australian) $10 per ‘werk’. Is that $520 per year? Damned expensive if so I’m sorry to say. But German translation of week does not seem to match, nor does werk seem to translate to month which I would be happy to pay. I think something needs to be cleared up on the patron page
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
To clarify: it means per work, so per POST that I upload and that a patreon want to have access to. Sounds fair to me... But it is as you said confusing and the options that they offer - per month/work and whatsoever more - is pretty puzzling, I agree.
@terryjones6632
@terryjones6632 Год назад
I see. I’m used to ‘time’ being the factor and assumed therefore that werk=week, or alternatively month. Probably not everyone is as dumb as me but in any case perhaps edit the page to make it clearer. Not everyone will ask about it, and each one that does not ask is a patron you miss out on that would otherwise happily support you. Thanks for the answer
@terryjones6632
@terryjones6632 Год назад
Still confusing. Just signed up and it now says I pay $10 month, no mention of werk (which I take to mean ‘per upload’) at all.
@MusicaAngela
@MusicaAngela Год назад
@@terryjones6632I was confused at first because of the word “werk” but finally figured it out that it means per work. It costs $6.50 (US dollars) each time Michael puts out new materials but you can limit the amount per month so you will always know the maximum that you will be charged.
@JazzGuitarScrapbook
@JazzGuitarScrapbook Год назад
The cascade examples made me think of the Pet Shop Boys ‘it’s a sin’ but I listened to it again and in fact the bass is a leaping fourthwise variant of the lamento
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
i know that song, Mr. Scraps! 😅🥳
@lucapoferri
@lucapoferri Год назад
Bravissimo
@ZapataCarratala
@ZapataCarratala Год назад
Amazing stuff!
@AmeeliaK
@AmeeliaK Год назад
Thanks so much for recommending Pachebels Chaconne! I'm learning it now. It teaches me so much, and it's incredibly beautiful. I wonder why it's not more popular. There are only a few piano recordings.
@gavinfarkas283
@gavinfarkas283 11 месяцев назад
Dumbledore died to the lament bass. This will always be one of the most utilized tetrachords.
@georgepavlov3350
@georgepavlov3350 Год назад
Now I see where Procol Harum, The Doors we’re coming from …yes sir and you’ve made it look so easy …I see Genius here
@jonaswolfmusic1775
@jonaswolfmusic1775 Год назад
Yeah Lamento time! 😀(btw I love 9:24 the most, but that's just a personal take)
@Taki-NeobaroqueDZ
@Taki-NeobaroqueDZ Год назад
Amazing! I really love this channel.
@bargledargle7941
@bargledargle7941 Год назад
Hello, question, I wonder about symmetry of bars and cadences. Is there many method to ensure the piece really feels all the statements in it are complete if you know what I mean? For example placing the cadence inside the last bar or inside the last half or last quarter of the last bar - this can change based on the piece. So what influences this? How can I decide how many bars should be in the piece? (In BWV 847 fugue, the most perfect piece in the world there are 31 bars for example and the ending chord comes right on the second half of that 31th bar, so it's not even 30 bars + chord) Just wondering if there's any method or guidelines
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
This question is formulated in a way that makes it actually hard to understand so I'm jsut gonna ramble: some baroque music is bond to perodical bar grouping (2-, 4- or 8bar chunks), and some is definetly not. Periodical bar grouping is most likely to happen in pieces that have a relation to historical dances: so all the pieces of a suite, Allemandes, Courantes, Sarabandes etc. BUT this is not mandatory, so you'll find dozens of Allemandes or what ever mvt. that does not show a regular bar grouping. It's actually primarily a thing that happens in the smaller "simpler forms" such as the Minuet or the Sarabande. The Chaconne historically emerged from a dance so in many of those pieces - of course depending on the bassline it is drawn from - you'll find a regular bar grouping, e.g. in that F Minor Chaconne by Pachelbel: obvious 4 bar chunks with the typical overlapping of phases where the V in bar 4 of a phase is the dominant to bar 1 of the following phase. I'm actually asking myself if you understood this part of the video the right way :DDD Chaconnes are in triple time (3/4) and most likely the cadence will end on the 1st beat of a bar - BUT there is older forms (17th century stuff) of triple time cadences where the cadence falls on the last beat of the measure. FUGUES though are a completely different topic as there is absolutely no periodical requirements AT ALL... my humble opinion - it makes no sense to count bars at all (apart from checking the proportions of parts between the cadences). In a piece like the mentioned C Minor Fugue (a 4/4 meter) the only metrical requirement regarding cadences is that a cadence falls on the 1 or the 3 of a bar, everything else is allowed. No you gotta tell me which criteria make that C Minor fugue "the most perfect piece in the world"... isn't it actually more like one of the less spectacular of the collection?
@bargledargle7941
@bargledargle7941 Год назад
​@@en-blanc-et-noir Thanks for this awesome rambling! Thank you for answering my question really, I didn't know with fugues it's more whatever I thought there's a particular rule or whatever to it. I know my questions and assumptions can be frustrating for a formally trained musician but please bear with me. What I find perfect about the C minor fugue is simply that every single bar has a very specific purpose and there is no moment wasted, nothing is generic everything is a clear reference to the subject. I feel the C minor fugue is more grounded in that way. The piece begins with the first bar, a memorable theme which flows right into the next idea, a downwards scale which fits the theme. Like before the bar ends there are already fast notes in a scale which flow right into the countersubject that accompanies the second voice entrance in the second bar. Then there is another downward scale but slower which accompanies a portion of the remaining subject. So the subject is built from this figure I don't know how to call, let's call it head figure while the countersubject is built from mainly a scale. The episode that comes next is purely created out of subject motifs. The scale but upwards combined with the subject head. I know Bach does this and it's not new, except this episode won't be forgotten, but the thing is there is no single episode in this fugue that does something "generic" everything is very clearly connected with the subjects. Nothing is just a simple suspension chain, even if it is just that - it's created from subject motifs. (Check out bar 62 from BWV 870 fugue and you will see what I appreciate less when it comes to fugues) I don't want to go too much into the details I realize so I will summarize (but I've looked with amazement at every bar in this piece). Basically the first episodes prepares us for the idea of episode containing this rapid-scale motif. The second episode is brilliant because it starts as if it's going to play the subject like in bar 3 but actually perfectly going right into a canonic episode that is on top of a scale motif (So everything had a setup, we already seen the subject there so we had an expectation broken and we already experienced a downward scale motif) and the episode from bars 5-6 is repeated again with a small upgrade and twice the size at bars 17-19. And even the scale from bars 9-11 is inverted at bars 13-14. And not only just inverted, combined with a different element of the subject. If all I said felt too chaotic - in short, every single development in this piece had a clear setup and there was no moment wasted almost. Every moment from this piece is really a clear reference to the subject or countersubject.
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
ha, in my opinion what you describe here is procedures that characterizs a certain type of fugue writing or fugue improvisation generally and isn't just a feature of that individual piece. :D No offence though! :D Good that you looked at it that closely...
@bargledargle7941
@bargledargle7941 Год назад
@@en-blanc-et-noir Hey! That's not an offense I just wish I found more fugues that truly do this in such a way that every moment is truly created in such a way by the subject's components. If you really have any advices (even outside of Bach) I would be very interested haha Also would like to ask your opinion indeed, what would be the most spectacular fugue that does not have stretto/stretto augmentation and such techniques?
@angelospateros6806
@angelospateros6806 Год назад
Great work! I always enjoy your videos - always rich in information, with good doses of humor and excellent editing and presentation!
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
Now that is a comment any creator likes to read! :DD THANKS BRUH
@barrypianon
@barrypianon Год назад
Is there a problem on your patreon page? I tried to suscribe me on it but, it’s impossible. Tried with 3 different cards. 😢
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
Oh really? Not that I'm aware of. There have been other subscriptions on the weekend, I'm sorry I don't know what is wrong. I'll check again
@BS38114
@BS38114 Год назад
Really like that chanbel i found with my morning coffee. Thats what i am looking for.
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
:D
@MiScusi69
@MiScusi69 Год назад
This video is absolutely great! I improvise classical/baroque/romantic at the piano quite often, but I do it by heart and mediocrely, and this video inspired me to learn classical improvisation seriously. Thank you, and kudos!
@Rob-wg9nz
@Rob-wg9nz Год назад
So hit the road jack is a lamento based variation set as well. Jokes aside, thank you for your lessons
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
pretty much
@johnrothfield6126
@johnrothfield6126 Год назад
In variation 2, the B natural sounds wrong to my ears. Jes Sayin.
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
then be it so :D
@BenceAndreasSlajher
@BenceAndreasSlajher Год назад
Very helpful! Thanks, Michael 😊
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
😌✌️
@robertocornacchionialegre
@robertocornacchionialegre Год назад
I’m happy someone answered your call to help with organ stops lol :D
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
lol
@luisdiaz05
@luisdiaz05 Год назад
At last, The Chaconne video has come. Thank you so much Mr Michael Koch. Hell yeah!! 🔥🔥😎😎
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
Finally :DDD
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
next vid as well btw...
@jbtownsend9535
@jbtownsend9535 Год назад
Well done! Love the word “tootling”!
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
🥳
@bornaerceg9984
@bornaerceg9984 Год назад
Such perfect video! Music is so logical and beautiful when you look at it like this ❤🎵❤
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
Thanks for watching, Borna!
@bornaerceg9984
@bornaerceg9984 Год назад
@@en-blanc-et-noir Always! With pleasure ❤🥰🎵🎹
@Jilref
@Jilref Год назад
You are by far the coolest guy I know 🤙🏻
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
LOL :DDD IRO, what's going on?
@Jilref
@Jilref Год назад
@@en-blanc-et-noir like, how do you mean "what's going on"? :P
@notasinglef1604
@notasinglef1604 Год назад
9:54 may I ask you what's up with the 6/5 on the Bflat? It contains an E (where's the F?) both on the score as in your execution
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
Lol I made a typo on continuo figures. It‘s actually meant to be a 3/4/6…
@notasinglef1604
@notasinglef1604 Год назад
@@en-blanc-et-noir absolut nicht schlimm...just made me curious 'cos I 'm actually just aware of 4/6 chords on pedalpoints/cadenzas and they don't present the 3....where could I find some stuff about this 3/4/6 bad mfs?
@notasinglef1604
@notasinglef1604 Год назад
I meant 3/4/6 on 2nd degree of minor scale (E halbvermindert in dein beispiel)
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
@@notasinglef1604 lol well haha, alright then! I'd say the 3/4/6 is a thing that can be seen on many Rule of the octaves (e.g. Kellner, Heinichen and deffo some Italian sources as well) on the descending 6th degree in minor. In German "chordal theory" this would be an inversion of the 5/6-chord of the ascending 4 - so as well a predominant, and the same collection of tones. So it's actually good to know about inversions. Don't believe what some noobs are rambling about inversions and Roman numerals and stuff, it's mostly rubbish and comes from Partimento "red pillers" that want to throw the baby out with the bath water. That 3/4/6 isn't actually a bad guy haha, e.g. Scarlatti uses it from time to time to do his legendary 6-5-pendulums! Check definitely minor key Rule of the octave for this chord. Some will probably just show a 6 but many show a 3/4/6.
@johnrothfield6126
@johnrothfield6126 Год назад
Thanks!!!!!
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
You're welcome, John! :D Is there anything else that you're getting nervous about?? E.g. I recon I used B natural even in bars where the B flat is in the bass...
@Jay-eg2ns
@Jay-eg2ns Год назад
can hear "les plaisirs ont choisi pour l'asiiiiiiileeeeeee" in the back of my mind this whole video
@en-blanc-et-noir
@en-blanc-et-noir Год назад
is this the Lully?
@Jay-eg2ns
@Jay-eg2ns Год назад
@@en-blanc-et-noir yes it's a chaconne from Armide although it might be listed as a passacaille
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