How to insert and remove a violin sound post? Reset a fallen sound post 

Thanks!! :)

Thank you so much!!! You are too kind!!!

Happy to hear it. You are very welcome.

How can I have that in Nigeria. Am planning on having a workshop.

I tune and test an incredible amount of instruments every week and can therefor tune extremely fast. The ability to tune pretty close to pitch with a single turn came automatically as a result. Thanks for the compliments and for watching the video.

You are very welcome. 😁

You are probably right. I always wonder if I should have done this video or not. LOL Thanks for your support!

I read this as "wonderful INFERIOR camera work" and immediately thought you were being tastefully sarcastic.

@@euclidtheorem4817 Who, me? No, no. Fiddlerman here posted what quickly became THE definitive vidpost on sound post adjustment. Really good videography, and a full understanding of the lutherie involved. I learned a lot here. Great stuff.

@@pgm3 I know :D

You are very welcome. Thank you so much for your kind words :)

Very glad to hear it George. But it also takes talent, so congrats on that. :)

ROFL. Thanks for the vote of confidence. LOL. Fortunately, we have 8 great butchers setting up the violins so that I don't have to do it. 😁 Thanks for watching the video.

Thanks for the support CV. Good luck on your journey. Also, if you feel like it, visit fiddlerman.com/forum and introduce yourself. :)

I didn't want to make too long of a video. You are completely right. I wrote some of that at the end. Love you too brother. :)

But if your existing sound post fell and you wanted to temporarily put it back up you could. And I like to know what is going on inside my instrument even if I never try it myself 😂😂😂

Pierre has a much earlier video, from back when he worked out of his home, and it is excellent--- In fact, it was his video that inspired me to persue lutherie.

@@grandpasmountain Thanks Jon - I think I wanted to impress everyone on seeing inside the violin. 😜

Yeeeee Haaaaa, Isn't it fun to be able to do it. 😁

LOL. We got that from China, but I'll be darn if I remember where.

:D

Thanks Roger!

Glad to hear it. Good luck with using it. 😁

Thanks so much Ivo :)

You are welcome. Good luck!

Thanks. The first time I moved my Soundpost, I felt the same way as you. lol

Thanks Endo. You are very welcome!

I'm so glad that you found it useful!!! Cheers

Thank you so much!!!

Thanks. That was fun doing. :)

Very cool. Hope you love it!!!

I'm very glad that you found it helpful. Thanks for watching.

Thanks Augustine. Coincidently I played in Malaysian Philarmonic Orchestra as a free lancer for about 9 weeks. about 12 years ago.

Thank you!!!!!

Glad you liked it. :)

I hope you don't need it either. We do sell a lot of these tools.

You are very welcome. Did your soundpost fall?

You're welcome. Also, you're right. Thanks for watching. Cheers!

You are the MAN!!! Looking forward to having your help with the cellos Henry.

Thank you so much Nicholas!

Thanks!

You can get a sound post gage to aide you in cutting the right size. www.internationalviolin.com/ProductDetail/t811_soundpost-gauge-violinviola

I hope so. Takes some getting use to but once you get the hang of it it's not difficult. If you live close to us, we always set sound posts up for free.

Thanks for nice words. Did you get one?

a master craftsman would not be using that tool

Its kind of reminded me of the game operation

Yeah it's going to be a b**** that's for sure

Thanks Spike :)

The good news is that you succeeded. Next time it should be easier. As a matter of a fact, you can just knock it down and put it back up again for practice...... ROFL

@@1stfiddlerman I’ll do that right now 😂😂

@@Rialas That a way!!!!

If you change one string at a time the sound post should stay in place ?

​@@McCRBenshould yeah

Any time!

You are welcome!

Thanks. For both the competent and the "young man" part. 🤣

I'm glad that you found it useful.

I have this one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eiqhBHh_zDI.html

You are very welcome.

Only on the best violin shop in the world. 😁 Fiddlershop.com. Check out the links under the video. Thanks for watching!

You're welcome!

True. :) This is a top selling product, and I made this to simplify the process for those who use it but not necessarily to encourage others to do it. The inserter/remover makes it easier to do the job.

😂

There are many pin camera(or plumber camera) out there you can push it through tail pin hole.

We had to shrink it and then expand it again. 😜 We bought this super thin camera with a light on it from China and placed it on the end button.

Not a stupid question. The soundpost can be adjusted, moved closer or further to the bridge for more or less power and action. It can be moved more towards the treble side or base side for darkness/brightness.... The tops of thin wooden instruments change shape over time which usually makes the post too short and one must either move the soundpost outwards towards the f-hole, or make a new post. Lastly, if you glue the post and it gets moved, or the top raises over time, the post would take some of the top and or bottoms wood with it. Over time the wear would be greater.

We have this small thin camera that we use to look inside our instruments to inspect. When the strings are tight the bridge is pressing down on the top. You want the post to fit snuggly when the strings are loose. If you don't loosen the strings, you risk damage to the top when removing the soundpost from all the downwards pressure, and you risk the sound post falling whenever strings get loose or changed afterwards. Cheers!

I could work it out but it would be a huge job to make a slow video on it. I did one earlier that you could check out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_iiwx8skEBs.html

This is common. The reason is that the E string is steel and your other strings are not. When playing on the E, perhaps less pressure and further from the bridge. A soundpost position closer to the bass side of the bridge might help a little.

Yes, just use a fork, they work quite well also.

It depends. If it were here, I would replace it because the wood for the soundpost is not expensive and we know how to do it. Wha you risk is a slight buzzing sound. Not guaranteed but possible. It may not affect the sound at all. Very difficult to say without seeing it. Good luck!!!

Anywhere from right behind it, start of the edge of the bridge touches the start of the edge of the post or maybe a half mm space to 1.5 thickness of the post. Usually one soundpost thickness is pretty good. I'll normally start at 5 mm behind the bridge and move it in different directions from there till I find the optimal sound,.

Dryness is the biggest contributor to cracks on instruments. In your case it might have been a badly joined neck but it's hard to tell without examining the instrument. Could have been connected too tightly at the top. The block might not be properly glued to the top at that spot as well. How old is the instrument? Tell me more about the instrument.

There are two that we use. This one is better because of the slower tack: internationalviolin.com/ProductDetail/10223_hide-glue-grade-222-slower-tack-1-lb This one is cheaper and works fine as well: internationalviolin.com/ProductDetail/10222_hide-glue-grade-222-slower-tack-12-lb We buy these cheap baby bottle warmers and put a jar of hide glue in the warmer with water. I don't recall which warmer we buy but below is an example from Amazon. www.amazon.com/Modern-Design-Tommee-Tippee-Easi-Warm/dp/B07Q8NQ29G/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?keywords=baby+bottle+warmer&qid=1643313150&sprefix=baby+bottle+w%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-3-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkVSSEs4TlExRElUJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDQ3MjY2MU5XVkhWRVpBQUdSQiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTkyMjc3WTEwTFNXV1ZMTEhZJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Thanks for your sharing. Do you recommend any hide glue which is in good quality and take shorter time to dry? also , what kind of knife i should use for insert into the open area?

@@davidt6044 Yes, the second one. Use a roundish flat butter knife and you can sharpen the edges on it. Old ones are often perfect for the job. Even silver older, antique knives that you can get cheap on Ebay.

thanks for all your help, maybe more question later, hope you dont mind. i know you can play violin like I do . but I just try to repair and need your right direction.

@@davidt6044 Sure. Ask away!!!

I know that some people use a piece of string and a fork. I have never tried it though.

You can follow the links beneath the video to purchase the tools fi you like.

It differs from instrument to instrument. Are you concerned about how much over the fingerboard you need to have the strings? IOW, how much to cut it down?

@@1stfiddlerman My question is how high the strings of the fingerbord Thank you

@@peternajjar4700 On the E string side, 3.5mm and on the G string side, 5.5mm. These measurements are approximate.

@@1stfiddlerman Thank you very mach mr. Fiddlerman

@@peternajjar4700 You are welcome!

At Fiddlershop, my shop, we do it for free and have never charged anyone. However, most violin shops charge. I've heard that they charge up to $30 just to re-insert the post. We do of course charge to make and install a new sound-post. You can get these tools from Fiddlershop if you follow the links under this video.

It would be difficult but if you can loop a string around the post with a stick of some sort, a pencil or what have you, then get the sound post wedged the right way, you could adjust it with a fork. Good luck!

@@1stfiddlerman done! Managed to set it after a few hours of faffing around and a bit of swearing. Used two shoelaces, one high and one low on the post and a coathanger to move it into place.... tightened the strings up and she's right as rain. Even played today and recorded a vid and it sounds as good as before. Left the shoelaces attached and chucked em inside the f holes, because I couldn't be arsed untieing the knots.

@@anthonyplaysbass Congrats. That was very creative. I'll remember that if someone asks. lol Maybe you can get a knife in there to cut the laces if they become bothersome.

@@1stfiddlerman haha. I'll be taking it to a luthier in the coming weeks anyway for a look over and see if any quality of life or serviceable items can be swapped around to get it pristine. It's (I think...because I see vertical woodgrain on the front?) A ply bass made in the 80s in Czechoslovakia. Hasn't been looked at since like the 90s when a new bridge was put on it by renowned luthier here in Melbourne called Puglisi. So I'll take it back to his shop.

No it is not necessary. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. :) However, keep an eye on your bridge at all times. Sometimes they lean forward and they will warp and eventually snap if they are not straight.

​@@1stfiddlermanso soundposts don't just move around every year?

@@1stfiddlerman it becomes obsessive compulsive when I go to the luthier weekly, requesting "check my sound post check my sound post" hahaha

@@seanleechild They shouldn't move but they do get bumped from time to time. Depends on how they are handled, or if you loosen all the strings at the same time it can move/slip.... And believe me, I know exactly how you feel. I was like that as well.

@@1stfiddlerman How did you get over your obsession with always feeling compelled to have your sound post checked?

You'll find the link under the information for the video. We sell both at Fiddlershop.com :) fiddlershop.com/products/violin-sound-post-inserter-remover fiddlershop.com/products/sound-post-adjuster-for-violin Thanks for your inquiry!

Sir how it will cost in indian rupee? I want to buy one

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Hoşgeldiniz. Umarım gerekli araçları alırsınız ve ses yayınınızı başarılı bir şekilde keser, ayarlar veya değiştirirsiniz. İzlediğiniz için teşekkürler.

It could have been a video that I posted in the wrong place, removed, and then posted on RU-vid/Fiddlershop. A customer request. Sorry about that.

Yes we do? Which city?

@@1stfiddlerman its called incheon. Im planning to buy your soloist or master violin someday, 😀

Thanks 😁

Sorry for your frustration.

You can for sure. The shipping might be a lot but add it to your cart and begin the check out. You'll see the total before making payment. Remember that your country might add a duty charge as well. We have no control over that.

I remember my first time. Was a little apprehensive. Don't do it if you are worried. 😁

I agree entirely. However, I did it myself the first time back in the day and I figured it out. Everyone who does it has to learn sometime. One should obviously exercise caution, especially with a valuable instrument. :) Some people have very inexpensive instruments and not much to loose. We also adjust and reset fallen sound-posts for free. We've never charged anyone. That being said, we've had customers tell us what they have paid elsewhere to have this done. It's not always cheap. Thanks for watching!

its the soul of the violin and transports the vibration (the sound) from the bridge to the back (?) of your violin. and i guess it adds some stability

@@CortVermin Great answer CV :) It also helps supports the pressure from the bridge (strings) treble foot side. Inside the violin you'll see the bass bar that supports the lower strings side of the bridge.

@@1stfiddlerman why does the instrument need it? Guitars do not have one I dont think

@@chrishall2594 More downwards pressure on the bridge feet. 50 lbs.

Glad you think so. Good luck and thanks for watching.

LOL. Ya, I know. You see I do it on 40-50 violins a day so it's allowed. 🤣

The soundpost is very vulnerable when there is no downward pressure from the bridges and tightened strings. One would almost have to jam the soundpost in a bit too tightly to insure that it doesn't fall down. We (fiddlershop.com) ship our instruments to customers with pressure on the strings so that we can adjust the soundpost and ensure that it will most likely be set right and sound the best when you receive it.

No as in my bridge is inside my violin along with my knocked down soundpost

@@coldashell7057 Turn the violin upside down and shake it back and forth carefully until part of your bridge sticks through the f-hole. You should be able to work it out. You might need a tweezers.

Can definitely happen. One must be careful not to touch the sides of the f-holes but they are easy to touch up with varnish pens.

The tools are not expensive. The link is under the video. Many people figure it out and get good at this eventually.

Exactly. LOL, thanks for watching.

Maybe way back. Who really knows. What I do know is that earlier generations of my family were from Italy on my moms side and Poland, Russia, Belarus and a bit of Scandinavian on my fathers.

Do you think it was too much? The good news is that you can do it over and over. 😁