HOW TO KILL gOD the easy way - Alan Bondar 

“Christianity doesn’t fill the void, it creates it.” Powerful!

After 6 decades of all in Christianity, having been born into it and knowing nothing else, my eyes were opened when I found out the Bible is fallible and was written and composed and books picked out by mere men. I realized not only do I as woman never measure up to the church hierarchy also as a human being I will never measure up according to Jesus without him Interceding to another hierarchy for me.

Tim: pleading with god then "I realized I was talking to the drywall" Loved it !! Love your channel Tim. Please believe your show is like a snowball on a gentle hill. It has to keep rolling, rolling rolling, and accumulating these wonderful stories. Eventually the community will be huge and more importantly free to focusing on reality...which can only be a very good thing!!

When I arrived at that crossroad of deciding to keep believing or not it was more like anger and the profound feeling of being lied to I was told I had demons that I wasn’t Christian enough that i didn’t pray enough or read the Bible enough and that without god or christ I was nothing So on the one hand they tell you your a creation of god and then go to tell you but your nothing without him So yes anger at first and then a definite determination to love myself and believe in me❤

I love hearing X-Pastors deconstructing stories! It's about time that Christian's should start asking why this is happening but they're in too much fear to find out so they dismiss the thought and stay stuck in their cognitive dissonance. Great video! Thanks Tim and Alan! Love ya Brothers!

I love what Alan said about Christianity causing a problem (sin) so they can solve it (salvation). That really hit home for me! If that isn’t the tactic of a cult I don’t know what is!! Tim, I really like the music you play at the end…”All might be lost but, I’m not going out without a fight.” Very encouraging!! A call to action and like you, I am outspoken about my deconversion for my five grandsons and all the young people. I want to see them free of the negative aspects of cult brain washing and the resulting guilt and shame that comes with it. Keep up,the good work!

It’s so reassuring to hear that I’m not alone in this. Great interview guys.

The first five years of my life, my dad was in the Air Force. We lived in England. Most of the programming on TV was educational. Some of it was entertaining, but still taught things. When we came back home, after my dad retired, and began living a civilian life, we started going to church. But it never really took with me, because of my informal education in England. However , I hated going to church, because it was boring, and seemed nonsensical and pointless. I also noticed early on, all of the excuses and pounding of square pegs into round holes, when it came to answering why Christianity didn't mesh with experienced reality, or real life, as I actually knew it. When I started working at 17, I quit church, and never went back. Never will again, either.

There are so many impactful gems in this interview that I feel compelled to pause now and then to absorb. Eerily familiar topics.

"Theism only gives god value, not humans value". Nietzsche would say, 'You look up when you wish to be exalted. And I look down because I am exalted'.

“…once you see it” (that you’ve been duped) “no more - it’s over.” Once you realize that YOU hold the key, the YOU have the power, there’s no going back. Alan made reference to being a Steve Green fan back in the day, one of the songs Steve sang with such passion, “He holds the key” - a typical indoctrination and gaslighting strategy used by the controllers. Christianity (and most religions for that matter) strips you of your power and self-worth, reducing you to a grovelling worm forever in the clutches of the clergy.

Another GREAT interview! I feel like you and your guests are reading my journals😉

OMG, My dad taught me that same thing about “leaving a place better than you found it.” He didn’t go overboard, just didn’t leave messes behind for sure.

This is a compelling perspective, but religion is not only intellectual but also has strong emotional and social components

Too late for me to watch tonight . But im always happy when a new H.A. video drops. Tomorrow this will be great morning listen. ✨

Keep up the good work guys. Thank you Tim and Alan.

What an awesome interview! I'm going to watch again! ❤❤❤

Omg I used that book The Easy Way to quit smoking! 13 years ago, before I became a Christian.... I thought of it when I saw the title of this video but had no idea it was actually from the book! Interesting connections to think about.

I appreciated that show

Brilliant interview and insights. Thank you Alan and Tim. ❤❤

Wow! Oh wow! My mind spins each time I listen. All the guests honesty and raw emotions are so real that i can feel their pain. I too have come out of fundamentalist Christianity from the age of 15. And now aged 64 am finally awakened and only now reborn out of this cultish world i have lived most of my life. You all feel like a loving family to me. I can relate to all you have felt and experienced. I still believe in an all loving awesome God just not the God of the Bible. I also believe there is life after death and no matter the trauma we have gone through with these false, toxic beliefs, i am grateful for my journey with all its pain and look forward to whatever my life will be after this. I believe it will all be perfect and we will truly experience all Divine all Perfect love. ❤

Tim at 51:50 - thinking more deeply than I previously had re what you're talking about was definitely one of the early "layers" that came off for me. One book that was instrumental was Christian Smith's "The Bible Made Impossible" in which he decries evangelical biblicism and talks about what he calls "the problem of pervasive interpretive pluralism" within even inerrancy-believing conservative Christianity. My full deconversion took nearly another decade but that was an early domino or layer

The Bible is basically just a Story Book and should be treated as such

I talked to an imaginary friend for sixty eight years

I totally relate to the point about not being able to relax because of guilt about not focusing on God. It's challenging to let myself have a hobby. Great interview as always!

Being deeply involved in my church for many years proved to be the best and worst experience of my life. I can't go back now, no matter what.

All the best Tim

Thanks Alan & Tim! Enjoyed your analogy of escaping from jail or N. Korea and sharing the GOOD NEWS! Joining your Facebook group too!

Excellent, high-energy interview. Thanks.

Another, great interview!

Growing up in a small village of a few thousand people (in some mountainous area in Vietnam) where there were no temples, no mosques, no churches, I had no concept of a God that watch over you and dictate everything you do in life. My first encounter with god-based religion was when my dad took me to Saigon to live for a few months in preparation to go to the US. I was 11 years old. The house where we stayed had a Jesus on the cross figurine hanging on the wall. Nearby there was a church that people congregated every night. I had to ask my dad what all that’s about. He said the figurine was Jesus, and it’s some sort of religion people follow.” That was apparently enough to quell my curiosity. Growing up in the US for 30 years now I have been content with the idea of a real Jesus, the idea that there are people believing he was humanity’s savior, the idea of my friends converting to marry their Christian spouses, the idea that my younger brother converted to marry his wife. I was content not to inquire further because it was happening to other people and it was their decisions and thus none of my business. But then I went on a date with a girl - our first meeting together she made the sign of the cross before eating. Then in that same meeting she mentioned that if we wanted to go further that I must know that conversion to Catholicism is mandatory for her family, and that I have to promise to go to church with her every Sunday, and baptize our kids and send them to Catholic school for 17 years. I was like… whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa! She seems like a good person so I decided to date for a month or so. Found out her mom goes to church 5 days a week (for confessions mostly) she said she will not allow me to marry her daughter unless the church agrees, et cetera. To marry her, the church forced me to sign a document promising that I shall not interfere with my wife’s responsibility of raising our kids as Christians, that I shall do all that I can to help my wife raise our kids as Christian. During the rehearsal one day before the wedding I found out that I have to read out loud what I signed (that I shall raise my kids as Christians). I told my wife that this is not reasonable, that I will do what the church requires necaus I want to marry her, but that I have no intention of following through. At that point I realized the type of pressure my younger brother was under, and felt quite saddened. My wife and I married for 6 months now. She made me drive her to church every Sunday for a while until I said no more. She got angry and we argued. She said she feels sinful to Jesus if she doesn’t go to Church. Mind you we are living in Qatar due to my work relocation, and there’s literally one church she can go to, which is more than an hour drive from where we live. She is using taxi to get to the church now. Anyways, it’s been an eye opening journey for me. In case you’re wondering, yeah, the Muslims here are much worse than the Christians (in terms of dogmas and brainwashing). It is literally 115degF outdoor now in the summer and there are women fully covered in black robes, including the eyes and face walking on the streets. Everyone seems to have a praying mat in their office and in the car. They shove their religion on you everyday here with constant loudspeakers prayers every friggin where, even at airport. During Ramadan we have to hide ourselves during lunch time to eat to avoid offending the Muslims (because they’re fasting).

That realization that knowing that any conscious being was in eternal torment would be sufficient for me to also be in eternal torment was the biggest turning point for me. This was back in the 1980s, and I had not only not heard that idea from anyone else, I was completely isolated while going through it. I just arrived at that exact realization, and that was what got me through the fear-of-Hell fallout from leaving Christianity. (It wasn't called "deconstruction" then. It was called apostasy, and it meant there was no forgiveness for you, according to St. Paul.) I had nightmares about it (some of which in hindsight were quite funny), but that realization made the choice clear. It was true I didn't want to be tortured forever, but neither could I bear an eternity knowing that people were being tortured eternally for ANYTHING, never even mind just for not believing the correct doctrinal formula for salvation. If Christianity turned out to be true (which I still thought was possible for a few years after that), I would be suffering hell either way, so I chose the way that involved greater honesty and better ethics, rather than worship what would have to be the worst monster ever. Even though it's been so long since I left, I find it hopeful and validating -- and it gives me a sense of connection -- to hear others reach the exact same points that drove me out.

Thanks Alan and Tim!

Great conversation

59:47 "Theism only gives god value. It doesn't give humans value." We are Nothing without god. This is a huge breakthrough in my deconstruction. By its very nature, our relationship with god is abusive by definition! #BatteredBelieversSyndrome. We literally get our self-worth only from our narcissistic abuser! yikes. 💔😖 So great to be out of buybull prison. 🥰🦋

Great show guys.really enjoyed the show .♥️♥️♥️👍👍👍

All gods are man made - imaginary.

Forever is forever regardless of how you count time. Heaven would be awful.

excellent stuff thx Tim and Alan !

58:40 ... I laughed so hard at this. Took me 47 years to get christianity out of my system and prayer was one of the last aspects that remained. "… If in any other scenario but God were you an adult talking to your invisible friend, asking your family to go to China or wherever to do a missionary work to introduce them to your invisible friend and spend thousands of dollars doing that and to teach them to eat your invisible friend's son's blood and flesh they would put you in a looney bin. They would absolutely say something's mentally wrong with this person, we need to fix it ... “You know, if you're a little child fine you have your invisible friend for a season, like you have Santa, but you outgrow it at some point. But if you're still doing that as an adult something's wrong." ‒ Alan Bondar Thanks Tim! Thanks Alan!

Hi tim i feel this too ime terrified of dying and not existing or going to a heaven and being automated or hell and be consciously tormented for eternity

Understand narcissistic personality disorder, understand how christianity operates

It doesn’t go over very well about us creating our own reality.

Perry Hall Baptist Church. LOL, I graduated from Perry Hall Christian School in 1985. Funny old world. Great interview as always.

Tim, I really appreciate your work. What book would you recommend as an introduction to the Greco Roman mystery cults as a source for scripture?

I relate to everything Alan said. It’s amazing how much in common we all have with our indoctrination, while we spend years thinking our situation is unique. That’s one reason these stories are so helpful. The smoking example is so good to show how Christianity is just another addiction. After years of struggling with “sin,” and never getting the freedom that is promised, you realize the solution doesn’t work. You continually ask God for forgiveness, and eventually you can reach a point where you feel God has given up on you. Those who are prideful in their “strong faith” would say you never were really saved or not repentant enough, etc. Christianity is designed to always dangle a carrot that there is some higher level of spirituality that you haven’t attained yet that will give you complete freedom, and it keeps you hanging on to that hope for your whole life unless you have the courage to really question it. If you stay in it, you lose yourself because you believe you are garbage.

Why did Christianity set up pleasure as such an awful thing anyway? Like, seeking pleasure is just so sinful and you're a bad person if you want to experience it. Especially sexual pleasure. That is the worst sin. Like why????? People get so hung up on it. If you leave Christianity, you're accused of rejecting Christ to seek it. If you are a good Christian, you're expected to deny it, or at least suppress it. Yes, of course within marriage, sexual pleasure is permitted but other kinds of pleasure are still off limits. Why would a god make pleasure so pleasurable if his creation wasn't supposed to enjoy it? It's just so ridiculous. Of course one's pleasure should not be at the expense of another's pain and that opens up a whole other can of worms, but discussion of that idea doesn't need religion as an arbiter.

the argument that time passes faster in heaven is irrelevant. even if 10 years feels like one second, u are still in heaven for eternity. so eventually as time goes on, it will be 1000 years you've been in heaven but would be equivalent to 100 000 years in human years let's say...and so on and so on forever and ever. the way time passes in heaven is irrelevant because u are there forever !

Rabbi Tovia Singer/Dean Winchester: 'We've got a plan Alan/Amara to lock Chuck up but we're gonna need your help.'

Would this have occurred if he didn’t lose everything?

Can't have it both ways

Maryland my Maryland

We do live in a Judeo- Christian western culture, however, and we may not like the alternative.

You being rejected made you want it more.

Hi Alan it was a curse me finding deconstructing or deconverting because it has destroyed all my hope I ever had of heaven being reunited with my soulmate being made aware of homer odyssey truth surge which I watched last night blown my life apart phychologically mentally emotionally I just wish ide never found u jenn fishburne Said all I'll ever have now are memories and then that is it I find her binary and very cold

I wonder if Alan is Jewish. His mother was Polish, from Argentina. I wonder if his grandparents were Holocaust survivors. Might be worth looking into.

Do not be traumatised about there being nothing. There is something, just not what the bible speaks about. The stories of reincarnation seem to have validity, but even belief in that is not necessary. Pondering is fine, just saying to yourself 'how exciting that it will be a surprise'. I can understand that there is an almost PTSD around belief, and you do not even have to 'believe', but be open to possibilities. If you die and there is nothing, well you will not know and no harm done, but if there is, then you will be surprised. Simply let go of all belief around an afterlife and allow yourself to be surprised. This is so much easier on the psyche than 'believing' there is nothing. This guest is correct in there being an attitude of 'I don't know'. My understanding of being an atheist is not believing in 'nothing', but not believing in gods, or even anyone else's 'concept' of what is 'so'. Holding an inner curiosity about possibilities of an afterlife does not mean you are 'fooling' yourself, it simply means you are human. Curiosity is so much more conducive to growth than absolutes.

Hi Alan ime terrified incase an evangelical forces me to be a Christian against my will ime in the UK I've stopped praying reading my bible but when I see this person I have to lie cause what I get is the worlds dangerous and the devils out there

Let say they managed to burnt the red heifer and built the 3rd temple so jesus can come down to earth. How are you going to crucify him the 2nd time?

43 yrs ago i came out of the drug & alcohol world. I went to a church was baptized in water on Sunday received the holy Spirit on Monday was healed of drugs alcohol smoking & immorality 13dayd later witnessed to a lady who got baptized in water and Spirit speaking in tongues as I did . God hasn't changed in the 43 yrs he still gets people healed &uses me to show people the way of salvation .I find it hard to understand with all your reading & praying no one showed you how to receive the Holy Spirit the comforter teacher giuld. Your teacher s ripped you off.🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🙏💕

Why do you have to kill, I thought atheist say God doesn't exist, why do have to kill something that doesn't exist. Unless He does exist.

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Christianity is mythology that doesn't make it false.