How To Land In Air Mode | BETAFLIGHT CLEANFLIGHT 

Pierson Klein I thought that was the desired method 😂

@@calehuntfpv480 I use the hit the side of the barn method. Usually stops it quite well. And all my props are broke so it doesn't matter if it's on or not.

So real shit. I'm new sorry for the dumb question but can I fly air mode with my accelerameter off?

If you have children or at least one kid then aim for them, be careful they tend to run and sometimes run around objects, so that they'll be forced to reach out, protecting themselves I suppose, and grab the quad. But like Bardwell said be sure to disarm just before landing, or striking. Also the number one way to retrieve your quad.

@@kwadlife4106 I don't believe so

In my opinion, never, ever take off from your hand. It is not worth it. If you make a practice of it, you will bite yourself eventually. If I were a big time television celebrity who wanted to take off from my hand, I would first do a takeoff and hover LOS and then immediately record the bit. But this is still reckless because it encourages people who don't know the safety precautions to be boneheads. The thing is, when you watch Penn and Teller do the Bullet Catch trick, you know they're doing a trick and you don't try to emulate them. When you see a Celebrity Pilot take off or land from his hand, you don't see the safety precautions they take, and you assume they're just as reckless as you would be if you did the same thing. Or maybe they are being reckless, and they're just lucky to not get bit yet. There is a guy at the local club who holds his copter in his hand on the flight line and throttles it up right in front of his face and wiggles it around to see if it's working. It drives me crazy. Even if he doesn't care about cutting his own face up, it's irresponsible to do it near other pilots.

I totally agree to you! Was a rookie mistake. Held it down with one hand, armed and applied some throttle. Suddenly this thing exploded (FC wrong direction). Never knew why they said "props off", but they are nice knives.... BTW: keep up the godd work!

Diego The Wolf yeah no point in taking off from your hand really. Air mode makes it difficult anyways... deff can land in your hand tho, my favorite way! 1/2 the time I like to get a perfectly smooth landing on the ground tho... when flying los.

Oooh yeah, the first time out with a 5"er in a year a few months ago, my camera was WAAAAAY over exposed, so I brought it back to me, almost blind and what I thought was 10 feet away, ended up being my shin with DAL cyclones spinning up because it was in air mode, it peeled so much flesh off my shin that there was flesh on the frame, I was bleeding like a stuck pig- this was the first time and the _last time_ I injured myself with a quad- my wound is still healing and I'm sure I will have scars for life. For now on I establish a place to land, typically 15 feet to my right or left side and always use that area to land.

@@JoshuaBardwell kind of old but I did that once but I didn't mean to take off. I was just holding both the quad and the tx in one hand, and the switch got flipped (only 6 channels on spektrum so no prearm) I was holding it in such a way that I couldn't let go of the quad without dropping the tx so me panicking thought it wasn't worth it. I used my other hand to frantically flip every switch while my finger where getting chopped. I know where the switch is by heart when I'm holding it, bit from the side I just spammed all the switches. Ended up putting it in angle mode and making the motors spin faster. My thumb was so mangled I couldn't fly for weeks.

Guillermo Nespolo i know how you feel.

Guillermo Nespolo can't land when my thumbs are shaking... (only into my maybe 10 flight on a x220)

John Graboski bahahah yeah I hate that! Sooo nervous and excited😅! Can actually see in the footage after my shaking hahaha!

Sorry if I ask too many questions, I know you probably get a ton.. But from a guy who's a couple years into flying toy quads.. And got the need for more and... Maybe unfortunately I watched to many reviews and got the wizard.. But I have an f3 deluxe board on order (only because I couldn't find the other in stock) and I Will not give up on this thing.. I mean the frame is perfectly fine right, the escs and motor work.. I'm sure you will hear from me once I get to work on the upgrade ;) so ahead of time, thank you!

Yeah, well, I told people for a long time, "Just disarm right before you land," but people keep asking, so I thought it would be helpful to add a video demonstrating the process. Sometimes people need a little more explanation than others.

Sounds like the first time I ever flew a quad. Maiden flight lost site of it and never saw it again. In just under 2 minutes. Bought another one that night cuz I felt so bad that the quad I lost was supposed to be for both my son and I. Got the 2nd one in and told my son " here you go, I'm sticking to the simulator for a while, if you're smart you would too.". Both quads were eachine wizards.

Thanks!

sandboxsteve thats a good idea... that saves an extra switch for me

sandboxsteve I do the same... I just disable Airmode before landing using a switch... And that's just less of a hassle...

+FinalGlideAus if only we could see the source...

Joshua Bardwell savage lol

We need GapIt's wisdom on this. He's the only one with enough experience in perching between the 2 firmwares. - Semi-serious non-troll speculation: Ye Olde Multiwii bounce is still somewhere baked into the code? - My normal smart-assed speculation: Kiss Airmode is SoftMounted! - THE ONLY WAY TO SETTLE THIS IS WITH RACEFLIGHT GENTLEMENS.

Well I can ;)

I was wondering the same thing Chad! I mean I have no issues what so ever landing in airmode with Kiss software on my FC board. Even slamming it against the ground doesn't misbehave after a disarm ?

You'd be amazed at how many people have trouble with this. I get a LOT of questions asking about this issue.

LOL I was just typing the same thing!!!

Betaflight 3.1.

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I'd totally rock a kilt if I could pin down my tartan colors "three different last names from Scotland and one is very common" All the people wondering why you wear them need to fly with jeans on down here in Florida.... lol

With a Taranis, anything can be accomplished, nearly. What I would do is this: Configure idle up so that the throttle channel does not go below min_check when you are armed. Bear in mind you can still run air mode if you want increased authority. The point of this idle up is solely to keep the motors spinning. Configure idle up to depend on a logical switch. It should be a "sticky" logical switch. The "goes-true" condition is when the arm switch is in the armed position and when the throttle is > -99 (i.e. when the throttle is raised). The "goes-false" condition is when the arm switch is in the disarmed position. Enable motor stop. The effect of htis will be that arming does not cause the motors to begin spinning but as soon as you raise the throttle, the motors won't stop spinning until you disarm. You will still need to lower the throttle in order to re-arm, because the flight controller won't allow you to arm with the throttle raised. I haven't tested this, but that's the approach I would take.

Joshua Bardwell awesome idea thanks! I'll give it a shot!

Yep. This is a great approach for high uptilt.

Joshua Bardwell Wow. Thanks man. Glad to hear I'm not just a noob lol. Ialso have to tell you this. I went flying right after commenting on this vid and meet a couple guys who were having problems landing. I taught them your landing techniques and they were able to get it 1st try. They instantly asked for my # and now we're flying buddies. Don't worry, I made sure to give you credit and plugged your channel, but it turns out they already watch you lol. Anyway, I really wanna give you a HUGE "thank you." They're the only flying buddies I have after over 1 year of flying quads.

+john budhoo glad you found some buddies and that the info was helpful. Happy Flying!

john budhoo Exactly how i land. You can come in hot and cut fast and slow yourself easily and drop down for a landing.

whoflungdo1 lol. Just gently decrease throttle till you touch down. You'll eventually see the ground come up when you get close. If you're doing a true circle and not an oval, you'll be able to see your landing target before touchdown at all times except when you're directly above it. That makes it super easy to come in gently.

+stunter4everfsls acro always

You don't need to disable air mode for landing if you don't want to. But you can if you feel like it. I don't use Horizon or Angle mode at all so I fly with Accelerometer turned off.

KM4OTN is my ham callsign. Coyote is the name of the quad, to help me keep my DVR video straight.

I'm pretty sure in Joshua's dual stage arming setup, the throttle has to be zero only to arm, not to disarm. I don't think it's safe to have to also lower the throttle, and hit a switch to disarm. If I hit the disarm switch, I want it disarmed right now, regardless of any stick positions. This way you don't need to lower the throttle when you're landing. Just disarm, and motors will stop regardless of throttle position. Are you sure you have "Disarm motors regardless of throttle value' set? If this isn't set, then you would have the behavior you describe, but not because of any setup on the Taranis. I don't know why you'd not want it to immediately die if you hit the kill switch though.

It does require both the disarm switch to be triggered and the throttle to be below a given set point. You can see in the video he is doing both simultaneously, chopping the throttle and hitting the switch. I can certainly appreciate some of the advantages for pure switch disarming (and there have been a couple of times I wish I had that). But on the whole, I like the two stage because it requires two deliberate actions arming or disarming. I'm a klutz and I know I would hit the disarm switch accidentally while up in the air. And for me, the two stage disarm works well on landings.

+Brian Case no that's not correct. Disarm works immediately. Lowering the throttle is not required. I'm lowering the throttle to finish the touchdown gracefully.

I guess on the next rainy day I will dig into what part of the programming I screwed up on. Nevertheless, I've adapted to the way it functions and really like it. Thanks for the reply! Love the videos!

I double checked my settings against what is in the two stage arming video and I can find no differences in the settings. But I volunteer I am not an expert at programming and i might be missing something right in front of my face. Perhaps you could help me find where I am wrong? According to the logic, the quad will follow the arming state of L4. L4 is a sticky of L3, which has an AND statement that requires that both L1 AND L2 be true. L2 is true only when the throttle is below -99. So I don't see where the disarm logic can be divorced from the arm logic. I can state after 100+ packs with this set up that the disarm (with my radio settings) will only function if the SF switch is triggered and the throttle is down below -99. If the throttle is lifted and the hit SF (to disarm), the quad remains running. Once I also chop the throttle, then it disarms. Again, I really like this method and have found it very useful. I am just curious where my mistake is. Thanks again!

Yes, it gives more control.

@@JoshuaBardwell - 6 years old comment and I LOVE IT!!! I thought I am going crazy, coming from extensive Xbox-ing whole my life! Nothing makes me fly as precisely as using this hybrid or full pinching. I love it!

Making tight circles is a good way to approach this situation. You can also flick autolevel mode on.

+Larry Faucett did you add throttle expo? Try removing it.

That's what I did for my mini whoop, works great

That's what I found works really well, too. My arm switch is above my right stick (flying mode2) and I just flick the switch up to disarm while in the air using my index finger and fly in for landing. Automatically disarmed when throttle killed - if I didn't crash already :-p

+RaceMiata this is discussed elsewhere on the comments.

to prevent a landing from changing my cam angle I've got this lil zip tied foam pc thingy which has forced me to fly at least 35°

+Space Lord yeah. I just left it off because I was changing angle for the demonstration.

You've got one too? That's awesome as you know I've barely been flying a couple weeks. I decided today I'm going full acro so wish me & my quad the best of luck haha. You think I should acro los first or just go strait fpv?

I find LOS in rate (acro) to be harder than in FPV. You'll love it. No more holding the pitch stick forward!

Dave Grainger omfg i don't know why I've been horrified this whole time I jest flew 4 packs acro and although I barely purred around the field probably 30% throttle lol but it was great. This is nice I'm proud lol

+SaGô if you don't use Air Mode either by feature or switch then it is never enabled. Also, air mode activate doesn't work like you're saying. It activates the first time throttle goes over 1350 then it stays active until you disarm.

You're thinking of a DJI drone where Normal mode gives good position hold. Betaflight doesn't have position hold. It doesn't have the sensors required to do position hold accurately, like downward facing rangefinder and optical flow sensor.

Hey, thanks a bunch for dropping those insights, man; really appreciate it! Now the whole N mode thing makes way more sense to me. I'm mulling over some landing strategies 'cause, truth be told, I've got a bit of a dilemma, especially considering my penchant for flying in snowy and muddy conditions. I'm brainstorming, and here's a wild thought - what about using GPS Rescue? Picture this: wrap up the flight, bring the bird back close to home, kick in the GPS Rescue, and snag it mid-air. Crazy idea, right? But could it work? Lay it on me, what's your take? Apologies for the noob vibes; the Chimer is still on the way, and I'm soaking up all the knowledge I can. B ig thanks for schooling me, my dude!@@JoshuaBardwell

If you have feature Air Mode enabled then air mode becomes active permanently when the throttle goes over 1350. If you do not have feature Air Mode or a switch mode set up, then air mode never becomes active at all.

i'm getting there.. so by toggling on (enabling) permanent air mode in the GUI, it is NOT active during takeoff; it activates at throttle > 1350? (all this time, i've never messed with air mode settings in the CLI.)

+SaGô yes.

+Tyrone FPV it could have been but it wasn't. I actually have no idea what it was. I checked everything and tested again and it never repeated itself.

+Steve Minard I want the copter to gradually descend the latest few inches not fall. Hence lowering the throttle then flipping the switch just at the end.

Anti_gravity_gain will fix that problem. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SmSWZFjXBGM.html

They're definitely smoother than before. Do I fly better with them? Hard to say. But they're more pleasant to use.

I don't think running with motor_stop enabled is safe. I want air mode on all the time. I don't want to give myself the extra step of activating it. It doesn't make a problem for me.