HOW TO LOAD A HORSE THAT WON'T LOAD WITHOUT A STICK OR FLAG 

No kidding!!!! How many have I seen with an obviously trained horse. Yeah I could do that too with the easy horse.

Glad it helped

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I feel your frustration!! I've missed multiple outings because of trailer issues. How is she now?

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Thanks for the comment. So glad you got something out of it. 👍

How would you know,?

@@minglim-pollard1167 bc… I don’t just buy my horses without a back story

@Lilianna Borrego i agree people shouldnt force their horses into trialers, thats just going to scare them more

How long do you let them starve out... I keep giving in! Thanks.

It depends on their level of fear/ trauma. Horses with low/ no trauma will respond well to this method. They just need to get used to the sights/ sounds, and realize it won't hurt them. Horses who have had terrible experiences, and KNOW the trailer can hurt them, shouldn't go this route- it's just layering the stress of hunger to the trailer. You can always leave the bucket at the edge of the trailer, so only their head needs to go in, so they're at least comfortable being around it, they just might choose hunger over actually entering the trailer, and that's not an acceptable option to me.

I was wondering the same. I'm 90lbs and strong for my size but I can only brace so much!

Good question. I let a little more rope out to prevent it if I can, then I ask for forward again and again and again and again until he feels clear on what I want and rewarded for it. Sometimes in extreme situations you have to give a little and just be more persistent. There are other techniques of course.

If your timing is right and your rope is long enough, it doesn’t happen.

Use a longer rope and check your timing. The horse should not feel so trapped that he flips over. If he does that, then your timing is very bad. Use a longer rope and watch your timing.

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Half circle ranch rope halter. 👍

Walk in circles constantly

I feel your pain

more ground work and lots of bring the head to the ground helped my multi swirl grade Arab bay mare get a better grip.

Ground work and a light in the trailer

I think you are right in what you say, but I wonder if you have ever delt with the horse this man has in his hand. It is his take on what to do when the horse says NO that you might have missed if your horses are all trained up well and never get a bad experience then what you say is right for sure. But here we have an example of a horse who, for whatever reason, thinks he can say NO. I do not wish to follow you "there". It is more than just having good leading on that horse. I don't like all of the "pulling" but I learned something from this man. He states in the video that he is not working with a fractious or worried horse - he is not. He is working with a horse who thinks, for whatever reason, that NO is a possible answer to this problem. I have a horse who used to follow me anywhere - I could always get him in the trailer but he was very worried about being left in the trailer. At the point I sent him to a trainer for help I could always load him simply by loading a buddy first. Now he is back from the "trainer" and he is not in automatic autopilot about leading into the trailer. All of the ground work is good - unless we are trying to load into a trailer. I think your response lacks some perspective and that this video is helpful. Those who are not experienced with the horse or have a horse with high anxiety and bad ground manners would not have had the luck this presenter had given the method. For my situation, where the horse is not scared or worried but just NOT interested in getting in the trailer for me because he got in one for me once and I sent him to be trained by Satin in Hell and he does not want to go back there - that is the use case for this method. IMHO.

@@tiffanydsonny Tiffany clearly you missed an important part of my post. I suggest that you go back and read it more carefully. I clearly state without equivocation that the method I use, works in EVERY situation with EVERY kind of horse and I have demonstrated it repeatedly literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of times in my 45+ years as a professional horseman. I don’t make these statements to boast they are simple facts. That several somewhat famous horse people can attest to. The problem with this method for most people is that it is just too simple. Of all the things one may experience when working with horses over time, there are precious few that are as simple as black and white, but this one is. If used EXACTLY as I have described here it will work 100% of the time, period end of the story. And it does this because it addresses the most basic instinct of ANY horse. And that is when they feel tension, they instinctually seek release, this is not a thought process it’s automatic and instinctual. If you do not GIVE, them that release, but let them advance toward you and thus GET it on their own. The result is ALWAYS the same and they have learned a very valuable lesson. That lesson is, no matter the situation when there is tension on the lead, advancing toward it gives release of tension, pure and simple. Now I wish I could claim this is “MY method” created by me, but alas, I cannot. It was taught to me in my youth by a very old Bedouin Master of Horse. And I think anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of horses will attest that there are no greater housemasters than the Bedouin people and they have been for thousands of years. Here is what I suggest you do. Read my instruction again very carefully and use it yourself on any horse in any situation and then tell me that it does not work for you just as I have described. It's simple cause and effect, don't overthink it. And PLEASE do not anthropomorphize human emotions onto the horse in any situation. Horses do not possess the capacity in their brain for interpreting emotions as we understand them. They simply are REACTIONARY creatures as nature designed them to be. And they will always seek the course of least resistance. When you understand and accept these simple facts you will become a better horse person. And your horses will be much happier as a result. Be safe and well.

@@MrHorsepro I do believe the bedouins were fine horseman with much to teach us - I have 3 pure and one half Arabian. I have used your suggested method many many many times but it is not working with the horse I mention in this thread anymore. I also disagree with your idea that there is any thing simple about any horse but especially interpreting the behavior of a horse that is showing fear about a specific thing where they did not show it before. Perspective my friend

@@tiffanydsonny I am truly sorry the method is not working for you in this instance. I am at a loss to explain why, since it has virtually never failed me and many others that I have taught it to over many years of use. I wish you well and I sincerely hope you find the solution to your horse's issue.

@@MrHorsepro It has been a few weeks since I smugly suggested that your perspective was narrow - it was my own. You were right and I was wrong. This is my FB "journal" entry from yesterday. I stand squarely corrected - much respect to you. "It was exactly what all the pros say - and I sort of hate to admit that - I thought it utter nonsense that the good groundwork and the way the horse follows you is what makes a good trailer loader no exceptions. I thought that I had the exception to that golden rule - because my horse had been "traumatized". Don't get me wrong my horse had some trauma about the trailer loading. But it was never gonna get fixed until I got the balance of the yielding at the poll going back then forward and then back again really soft. They were all right and I was wrong. I have been working on getting Arthur softer and better at following a feel with the groundwork outside of any thoughts about my trailer loading problem. It has been getting better and better but I still believed it would not make a difference if I could not get him to follow me in the trailer - even if he would (and does) follow me pretty much anywhere else - even without a lead. So today we went to the trailer and I was really just about the "doing" - I had other things on my mind to accomplish but it was a task I had committed to - every day. So there we were hanging about me in the trailer one step Arthur as close to the trailer with all four as he could be without actually putting any one hoof in. We stood there in good cheer enjoying each other but with no more progress "in" than usual when I said OK then that's enough you can go to your turnout now. Then I thought well let's do some back up come forward work before you are done for the day - we did not work on that because I usually do it before I ride and today I worked him in hand - so I did the back and it was soft and relaxed but prompt and the same coming forward and I did it few times and it was so perfect - no glitches - just soft and a good feel for both of us - so I thought why not then just ask him to come forward those two extra steps that would put his front hooves in the trailer. And, just like that, I had a horse that seemed like he would have just followed me all the way in - I backed him - good soft - just like we did before he stepped in - so I asked him forward once more - again two hooves no drama - and here is the key - no nose in the air. And then it all made sense and started to click in my mind - like it must have somehow over the last few days clicked in his mind. The horse does not like to get banged - not in the head not on the hoof. He is VERY sensitive and thin-skinned. By teaching the backing and coming forward on a feel I showed him a way to manage "loading" without bumping himself not his head (which he was mostly just leery of) or his hooves (which has been a consistent problem with this slant load no ramp trailer because he was always looking at the roof trying to protect his head and not looking where he was going). Tristen Baroni says do whatever groundwork you want to do but know WHY you are doing it - I smugly believed my WHY was firmly grasped. This whole time I was thinking my horses did not like the traveling. It has nothing to do with the traveling. They are always quiet and good for the hauls. I am not a shitty hauler - I am a really shitty loader - but getting better). I am sometimes as stubborn as my Mustang mare - wish I also had her horse smarts ❤"

I agree with you.

Same, I know this is two months old but we have a horse that will stand there and just back up

Interesting comment... true in a way, but it's not about who moves who's feet, its about tension on the line and doing what you can to hold that tension without getting a rope burn

@@masteryhorsemanship3555 It is all about who moves who's feet. A high horse will move a lower horse's feet. Not the other way. Any time a person interacts with a horse, one wants that horse to know that you are the leader of the herd. And that you can move any of the horse's feet at any time. If you are getting rope burns when working with a horse, you are doing the process incorrectly.

I'm sorry you are so closed to new ideas. Eventually, you'll get more experience and see that not everything is so black and white. I hope the best for you. I hope you open up and keep a positive attitude. Time will tell

Oh... and you're right, like I said before, in the end it is about who moves who's feet. And in the end, that's exactly what you'll see. The end result tells the tale. If you get caught up in process and technique believing there is one right way and many wrong ways, you'll fail to see the potential for many great new ideas.

Gerry Coleman really ? , I think his end results speaks for itself ,, It all about pressure, release not so much who moves their feet first as you have to move with them but keep the pressure. What your saying is impossible as if you don’t go with them their going to win with there sheer power over you