How to Make a BAD SUPERMAN Movie 

So would your live action Superman wear the trunks? Does Superman and even Batman need them? If they’re here to stay DC should really embrace them, if not then make them modern

the biggest problem why henry's superman was so bad and MOS was garbage was cuz the protagonist superman doesn't even have a character or any personalities or character development at all .hes just a boring badass a bland prop with the look .he deserved better 🤦‍♂️. u are video is well done🔥

If you looking for inspiration for your Superman pitch, I recommend you to check Superman & Lois TV series, specially the flashbacks from episode 11. It's one the best adaptations of Superman (alongside DCAU and Superman vs The Elite) and a exemple of how to adapt the hero in the modern days without sacrificing what makes him likable and appealing.

One good scene that could be in your Superman movie is Lex Luthor trying to buy Superman by opening a brief case full of money. Superman looks at the money and then at Lex who gives a him a smile, but Superman closes the brief case and says “no.”

Smallville did a really good job with how Clark was raised by Johnathan and Martha.

a Superman with an actual brain: Cool Super-deviation of the topic. You didnt adress anything.

​@@maskofshydid Zacks comment?

That edit was insane. Zach Snyder is literally Manchester Black.

I love making stuff up too💀

⁠@@beartrap8625 Thor: All words are made up.

That's the thing, he's literally meant to be both.

But look how many people complain about how he has power that he was born with and can do things that others cannot which in their mind makes him boring. Even the Russo brother slaundered the character and the whole of dc by claiming superman and dc heroes can't work in cinema because they are just all powerful and therefore boring, but they were quick to glorify batman, pretty much the only character in dc everyone in warner bros respects and is quick to make heroes villians so batman can get by.

Literally the message BvS directly gives. Yet people insist it says the opposite

@@warlord8106 uh the lesson for superman is no matter how powerful he is he can’t save everyone, he learned this core lesson is when Pa Kent die from heart attack and there’s nothing he can do about it

@@warlord8106 Russo brother never said stuff like that,they actually took inspiration for captain America from supes

How about superman sees himself as a boy from Smallville.

Finally someone who speaks my mind 👍👍

Bcz what others think doesn't matter , what matters is the goodness inside you.

I was never a Captain America fan and didn't know how they would pull it off in film, but what I enjoyed about Cap in the MCU films was I felt like I was watching Superman. Cap wondering what American had become and wanting to give hope for others to be better. A lot of the first Thor film and Cap felt like what Superman is.

They need to focus on Clark's relationship with his parents. And on the good parenting that he receives. And the quiet and happy life that he lives in Kansas. What makes Superman iconic is the fact that he represents the good part of America. His motivation should be the love he feels for people. Clark should be a loveable and kind hearted man. He should have a warm smile and be almost naive in his view of the world. When he moves to Metropolis, he should feel shocked at the lack of empathy people in the big city have. The movie should focus more on his struggle to connect with the people of Metropolis because they have become cynical about others who say they want to help.

No one ever said he is, but symbolically he is.

Superman before Henry were also seen as Jesus character??

The way he questions humans like he wasn't raised here with humans from the moment he was born is sad and garbage writing

Wasn't he compared to Jesus in the comics for his god like abilities?

Definetly.

@Erik Kemeey You serious dude? BvS will literally a shittier version of Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns

@Will N I think what you really mean is All-Star Crazy Steve and Dick Grayson, Age 12.

@Will N I can't tell if this is supposed to be a compliment or a dig.

@Will N Ah, I see.

@Erik Kemeey ...you know, trolling doesn't work unless you're funny. You're not funny.

Batman isn't defined by trauma either, he's defined by feeling obligated to save Gotham in incredibly romantic fashion, despite the sad loneliness it brings him, because he feels it's what his parents would want him to be. Remember his father was a doctor and his mother was a charity worker. As batman he saves Gotham from the evils of crime, the evil that took his parents.

@@FreakyTeeth yes but I’m reality his parents wouldn’t want him to it’s what he thinks his parents would want in truth his parents would want him to be happy. So yeh he is if he wasn’t traumatised by watching his parents shot in front of him as a child he wouldn’t be Batman

Uncle Ben: First time?

@Will N yeh but there’s loads of interpretations like that that r different like in Tom Kings batman when booster gold goes back and prevents the murder of Bruce’s parents Bruce Wayne does not become batman at all….

Oh my god that’s so wholesome, I love it

Thanks for posting

thats so wholesome

I am upset with myself for not thinking of something like that but if you would indulge me, I would like to share my Superman opening. I think mine would be for the Superman II film that follows your own. First, we officially put Metropolis on a map, it is in Virginia just outside of D.C. The first several minutes are setting up minor emergencies across the country. A surfer is knocked off his board in Hawaii, hitting his head on a reef and falling unconscious under the water, a child lost in the woods in Washington state, and a family struggling with a cow giving birth on their farm in Iowa. But the biggest emergency is in Metropolis, as a bank is being robbed. Three men with guns fire at a line of police cars to cover their getaway. In Hawaii, we see a crowd of fifty people surrounding the young man brought back to the beach where CPR was successfully performed. They're looking up to the sky, crying out their thanks. The three men split up in the back alleys, the youngest of them making a wrong turn and running head first into the crowded side walks. The little girl lost in the woods is absolutely bawling her eyes out, crying for her mommy. A voice calmly says, "Everything is going to be all right." She looks up and stops crying, a smile missing two front teeth spreads cheek to cheek across her face. The young man with the gun knocks several people over as he runs, hearing several police officers on foot chase him down. Out of sheer desperation, he grabs an older woman by the waist and yanks her into a corner store, knocking her grandchild over. In Iowa, the calf that was just born is not breathing, its mom panicking and the young, inexperienced farmer is as well. Another hand grabs his own and places it on the calf's chest, the same voice telling him "calm down, she's depending on you. Let me help." The young man pulls the old woman into the back of the corner store, ordering everyone else out. With a gun to her head, he threatens the police. Absolute chaos is spreading across the crowd. "Look! Up in the sky!" The very first shot of Superman in this film is him floating down to land in front of the corner store. The police and first responders clear a path for the man of steel to enter. The old woman's grandchild is pointing at the store, crying, trying to explain to Superman what's wrong but is on the verge of hyperventilating. "He's-! He's-! He's-! He's-!" Superman takes off his cape and wraps it around the kid's shoulders. Kneeling down to eye level, he ruffles the kid's hair and says, "Everything is going to be all right. I promise." He enters the corner store. "Back off! I'll do it! I swear!" "If I wanted to hurt you I can. I can move faster than the bullet in that gun, but I'll break every bone in your body. I can use heat vision to burn it to slag but you'll lose that hand. But I do. not. want to. hurt you." "... What are you gonna do?" "Ask you to put the gun down, let her go, and turn yourself in." "They'll lock me up!" "Yes, but you hurt that woman and you'll never be a free man again. I'll make sure you go to prison for the rest of your life. You end this nonsense here and now, a jury will look at you better, you will have a chance to get out. You're not a killer, yes you will be punished but you are no murderer. It is never too late to do the right thing." "..." The old woman squirms to be heard. "My name is Evelin, now my grandbaby is waiting for me. His name is Miles. What's yours?" "... Raymond." "You have a grandma too, everyone does. What is she going to think if she hears that her baby boy is a killer on tonight's evening news?" Superman whispers, "It will break her heart." The young man begins to cry. He hands the gun to Superman and allows the police to take him into custody. Miles hands the cape back to Superman, he and Evelin hug the man of steel as the crowd erupts in cheering. Title card

@Will N Metropolis is in Delaware.

I assume it’s because tonally, man of steel is kind of a mess

@Erik Kemeey it was depressing not a single moment was shown Superman is optimistic the entire movie (if you paid attention) was implying Superman is being forced to be Superman like he doesn't want to save people but just obligated to because he has powers he never showed any sign of actually wanting to help the people from within him, he just started to help people when Zod forced him to and he sucked at doing so and lastly the ending never showed any optimism at all lmao from beginning to the end it was all sadness like there's no "hope"

@Erik Kemeey Go on, say we live in a dream world

More like coquesidental

More like coquesidental

Because many people think like Lex: "Why would such a powerful being help others without asking for anything in return?"

Except that’s not true. He *is* a pretty layered character. The issue is the constant insistence that he isn’t and that this needs to be fixed (even though he already is)

No, he's actually very complex.

@@ligma3205 balls

He's complex but he doesn't scream it in your face like we are use to with Batman, which is all about his traumas and troubles with it's great and Batman its great but, Superman doesn't need to be a Batman

The more this shit keeps going, the more I realize we don't deserve that show It's incredibly obscure for a DC series just because it's part of the CW, most people don't wanna give it a chance despite how brilliant it is

Yes you're right. But the second season went downhill fast...right down to the finale

@@richmonddjan6822 It didn't, tho

Feeling this way even more after S3… I love S&L, been watching since the premier.

Yet Christopher reeves superman took away zods powers crushed his hands and threw him into ice while smiling

@@wingknight7132 Zod survived that entire ordeal because, in a deleted scene, Zod was taken away by cops. Also, having a hopeful scene of Superman regaining his powers is not the same as Superman in Man Of Steel killing Zod by snapping his neck.

@@HenryLouis21 whether zod survived or not thats not the point superman took away his powers crushed his hands and threw him onto the pit like trash while smiling meaning he enjoyed doing the deed

@@wingknight7132 Did you really think that Superman enjoyed crushing Zod's hand and tossing him into a pit like some kind of psychopath? Like he enjoyed inflicting pain on Zod? No, he was happy because he had his powers again and didn't smile like a bloodthirsty killer. Superman in Man Of Steel is a bleak and depressing version of the character who killed Zod because the writers made him want to kill him for shock value without any sense of exploration into him being forced to kill Zod.

@@HenryLouis21" he was happy because he had his powers again" No he wasnt he made zod human and treated him like trash this superman abused his powers In mos superman was forced to kill zod he begged zod to stop see the difference

That city is ruled by Lex Luthor. How can such a place be a utopia.

@@Condor2481 Maybe give it the image of a utopia but have the idea that there is something sinister within the city. I can see something like STAS Metropolis with blue skies and skyscrapers, but having Luther looking down on the city with “2/3 of the population working for me even if they don’t know it”.

Not me thinking about how in the real world the Daily Planet building couldn't exist nowadays because every building has to be Neutral for Real Estate Purposes and a building with a giant planet branded with the name of another business would be hard to sell when print sales decline and the paper needs to downsize.

At least it’s over now Gunn seems to get Superman pretty well

That quote is why Zach Snyder should've never touched those characters

@@Phlogiston2312 Jeez just because he doesn't portray the way you like it. Therefore, we must gatekeep him from ever directing superhero movie.

@@autobotproductions1244 I'm sorry but the Snyderverse feels less of a corporate IP and more of a one-man's vision project. At the end of the day, I just wonder what the snyderverse could have been. The reason why people watch dc is because they are NOT Marvel.

@@josephman1488 How to tell me you don't understand Superman without telling me you don't understand Superman.

Have you seen the ultimate edition, also Superman got his movie, he decided to focus more on Batman. Not a bad idea

@@Knoispowr BvS shouldn’t have been the next movie in line after MoS. They killed him off before he even got a chance to settle into his role. Such a waste.

The guy even had the ghall to kill of Jimmy Olsen in the opening sequence of the film, you know, Clark Kents best friend? They didn't even name drop him in the theatrical cut. And if you had any doubts that Zack Snyder has no respect for Superman and his supporting cast don't worry, he pointlessly kills off Mercy Graves by the midpoint of the film as well.

I think you misunderstand why Snyder said you live in a dream world. Someone was asking him during a charity pannel why batman and superman kill. Snyder could have explained his point better, but I think he is still right in saying that you are living in a dream world expecting Superman and Batman to be portrayed as heros who do nothing wrong. Which is most superman and Batman fans expecting these heros to always be right and do nothing wrong. I would recommend you watch that charity pannel to understand the context.

@@bupemwenya9794 Except it doesn't, Superman and batman killing still goes against their characters, no matter how Zachy boy wants to phrase it

@@seantylerfermin4927 and they both should kill as shown as human flaws Rather than the stereotypes " superheroes should never kill "

@@kartikadewi3270 No, they literally shouldn't because by that logic Spider-man should also be killing, or Luke Skywalker should have killed Ben in hi- - - Oh... See what I mean? It's literal character assassination if they start doing the things that they dreaded in the first place... Again look at the last Jedi for reference

@@seantylerfermin4927 Ironman kills too, didn't see u complain bout dat

That's true

Yeah no surprise considering fiege was tutored by Richard Donner himself

@@thesuperframe thanks for more info man i never knew that

@@thesuperframe what's more interesting is Geoff Johns also worked under Richard Donner. Man Geoff Johns made some very weird and wrong decision while he was head of dc films unlike his ex co worker Kevin fegie.

#RealismInSuperHeroStoriesDoesNotFreakingMatterAtAll (If I wanted to see everyday reality for the 10 car pile up shitfest it really is, I'll go outside or put on the local 10 O'Clock News).

In their mind, realistic means things that fits in their worldview. Their worldview has no room for people who are good for the sake of being good.

Nope, not unrealistic at all. I would love to if I had abilities.

@@CheemsofRegret Hey Geniuses, realistic means Lois doesn't ask how to spell Krypton nonchalantly after learning about alien life.

That's what the most sadest realistic one, people still think more dark equals more realistic

Snyder is a mediocre director. Amazing visual artist, but awful director.

He's a narcissist

@@dodgsonwevegotdodgsonhere9970 any reason why in your opinion ?

then who is the ideal director for the modern era film for Superman

@@joloarpia866 That's a great question. Maybe James Gunn, Steven Spielberg, or some new talent could step up to the plate!

No, they're just tired of anti-snyder trolls that keep burying them, leaves a bitter taste.

agreed. Tyler's superman is so comic accurate and It would be amazing to see him interact with the other superheroes like batman

*100%* Love that show.

Indeed! I love Tyler's portrayal and his writing as superman🙌😄

Tyler's Superman is everything Henry's Superman could've been!

Could bring him in Keaton or Rebirth style

I love superman as a character, but i also love man of Steel.

I mean he was under pressure

@@tobsonasanya4765 And that shows you don't know shit about Superman.

@@dodgsonwevegotdodgsonhere9970 so he can't be under pressure? I mean given the circumstances in the movie he was also afraid he might have to kill batman

@@tobsonasanya4765 The man symbolizing hope built to be Batman's counterweight to "everyone eventually becomes bad" says "No one stays good in this world" under pressure? Have you even touched a Superman comic in your life? Or watched the animated series? Or hell, have you ever touched any form of Superman media asides from the Snyder films?

@@dodgsonwevegotdodgsonhere9970 I mean he is still starting as a superhero so of course he would doubt himself and besides superman ws kinda wrong in the film

Tbf DC isn’t entirely to blame for that trope. Omni-Man & Homelander were created well before DC pulled the trigger. They just didn’t become popularized til The Boys & Invincible were put on Amazon several years after DC launched the Injustice games. There’s also Brightburn which wasn’t their creation either. DC’s mainly just done it with Injustice & the Knightmare visions in Justice League which I blame Snyder for. I honestly don’t mind Injustice, but they did it way too soon when we barely even had Clark Kent established. That’s an Elseworlds that should be explored like a decade down the line & kept FAR away from the main DCU continuity. I agree that they just need to nail & establish classic Superman first & foremost before there’s even any weight to him falling so far from grace in an alternate universe.

But not limitless cause his just plane boring

He never was a good director .a hack whose whole career exists because of a one movie name MATRIX .that's the movie he copies for his every project and its out dated

Yes he was best suited for dark and warrior type ip like Batman and wonder Woman. Literally in all of his first three dc movies wonder Woman and Batman stood out the most than Superman. Superman two movies upto that point but he was still dull character. Wonder Woman movie had Snyder co writing with patty which turned out to be first critically acclaimed movie in DCEU. Snyder made Batman the fighter we all know and he even made some aspects of things good, but the only big let down with Batman is totally devoid of compassion and humanity of that character. Batman might seems to be less compassionate than other jl members. But, he was totally opposite of the assumption. He can be very easily get heart broken, he feels human emotions more than most.

@Will N I saying Zack is best suited for warrior type characters in general. For example take 300. Superman is not a hardcore warrior, he is a farm boy who has very sense of justice with very good heart. But wonder Woman total identity depends on her being warrior. Batman war on crime depicts him also as a warrior. Hence, wonder Woman and Batman stood most out of Zack Snyder DCEU Trinity and Superman had two movies before Justice League but still other two over shadowed him.

Admittedly when I was young I use to neglect the character, although I still acknowledged the character's presence, I was mainly into popular characters like Spiderman or Batman (even though I still love those characters a lot). But after years of reading comics and watching shows and films as a teenager, I then began to understand what the character truly means to the world. Superman has quickly become my favourite superhero, as the character constantly reminds me the what it means to be good and the simple reason to be good, simply because it's right. The character has taught me that we have to keep on going, we have to persevere in the midst of the struggles and challenges of life, even now with my current depression an social anxiety, I still keep on going because I know that deep down there will be a better tomorrow. Its easy to have a cynical mindset in life and understandable, but whats truly a challenge is having hopeful and optimistic mindset, but worth it to help others and better ourselves simply because it right. I truly love the character of Superman so much and have been a little disappointed with how the character has been handled in the DCEU, even though Henry Cavill could've been a fantastic Superman, as he truly loves and understands the character as proven by his interviews and even would've rather preferred to depict the character to be more hopeful and optimistic. I am actually currently writing up scripts for my own take on the DCEU with castings, themes and plots based on countless films, shows, animation and comics and my own ideas. I deeply believe @SUPER_FRAME and myself share a similar idea of wgat makes for a good Superman film/trilogy, and much like him I have been inspired to one day make pitch videos for my own take on the DCEU and have written up ideas for a Superman trilogy, a Flash film, a Green Lantern franchise and so many more etc... At the end of the day, I thoroughly believe that now more than ever, that *the world will always need Superman!*

@@milkiassamuel780 im kinda planning a series of superman thats loosly in the same continunity of the dceu snyderverse but keep in mind loosly connected

right?

Season 2 isn't as good though

lmfao.

​@@dimitrescu182It's ok, but season 3 is amazing

Smallville was much better

That whole flashback episode is the best exemple of how to make a Superman movie by making a new story while making tribute to what came before. I specially like how that Superman origin isn't about him having to earn people trust and dealing with prejuice and the fact he is a alien, but rather about Clark adapting to his new life in Metropolis and developing romance with Lois, which helps him overcome the break up with Lana (which I love that it's caused by the fact that Clark spend to much time training with Jor-El, showing how his decisions can have consequences)

He's a superman who wants to wear a v neck with kids, who lives in Smallville. Stop being delusional

@@xzzz3019 wdym

Thats coz Tyler's been superman for 15 years. MoS superman was Superman for barely 1 week. Snyder had 3 movies planned for Cavill where in the end he would have become the superman y'all rejoice. MoS is the origin story for a superman which no one ever tried to bring into theatres except snyder. If WB didnt bit*h out we would have got MoS3 by now.

FACTS

Have you thought that his message is that ultimately, doing good things is noble even its hard and costs you?

​@@Condor2481 But that's not what he shows. In the movie, outside of the daughter, doing _one_ noble thing _instantly_ kills you and quite often kills innocent bystanders. With the daughter, Snyder takes the one character who noble the entire time and does _everything_ he can to make you hate her even before the mission starts. It's literally Objectivism v. Altruism, a very popular topic for people who, like Snyder, love Ayn Rand. Doing anything for non-selfish ends is wrong. It's like someone read a cut down version of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nation and ignored all context.

@@andrewshandle i don't think it is that deep

And Snyder cult would call that movie Masterpiece

That's what's so frustrating. People WANT to see a good Superman. There are people who WANT to make a good Superman, it's just that WB refuses to do anything with him. Matthew Vaughn and Henry Cavill have expressed interest in doing another Superman movie. Rocksteady and WB Montreal were working on a Superman game each but ended up being turned down for that Suicide Squad game. It's like the only thing people can think of is to make him evil or not do anything at all.

@@DinoDave150 that's true and heck the superman movie that I want is personally about Clark kent and Lois lane raising my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and teaching him how to be a great hero because that story is super great and would be a great story to see in animation or live action at least in my opinion.

We already have a good Superman people just nitpick what he did and didn't do.

@@bupemwenya9794 fair enough

@@bupemwenya9794 no we have him at CW .u are talking about the worst one

David Lowery, Brad Bird and Christopher McQuarrie would be my top pics for the job.

@@jameshally1441 I would pick Brad Bird from all your options, but I'd suggest James Mangold or Matthew Vaughn. I wanted Bird to pick up MCU Spider-Man, tho.

Yesssss. That would amazing a stand-alone superman movie and show the psychology and upsides of Clark and his morals. That would be perfect

@Erik Kemeey it was garbage

@Erik Kemeey a lot of the characters are fundamentally different

MOS might be the superior movie from looks but the oldies with Christopher Reeve will always have more heart

No it's not. Both of those statements are used in two different contexts.

@@bupemwenya9794 I personally hate how anti snyder fanatics such as Thunder Ass misunderstood what zack snyder intentionally wanted to say.

Plz stop crying there was nothing realistic about his movies .the boys show is realistic .

@@herloss448 there is realism in his movies. Just not your preference.

@@herloss448 the boys is realisitic , i agree and so is Snyderverse.

Literally all of his ideas came from comics, probably ones you've never read

Unless they're called Dark Knight Returns or Injustice anyway.

@@DinoDave150 earth 1, birthright, new 52, and man of tomorrow as well. Watch the interviews

I guess you don't care about new 52 comics, because literally zack snyder basically wanted Live Action New 52.

@@elijahlee3610 bro you do know Zack Snyder dc movies are heavily influenced by new 52 comics. New 52 which caused many comics fans dislike many of those comics, hence they made rebirth and brought older aspects of characters. New 52 has cyborg as main member jl. By adapting that to DCEU they literally ended the idea of teen titans/titans in DCEU. Cyborg should have been first introduced in TITANS movie. Many people thought same thing initially. They wanted classic jl main members like in DCAU. New 52 was always doomed to fail from it start and all movies based on those faced some heavy risks of fail.

@Erik Kemeey as a Christopher Reeve disciple.

lol!!!

😭

My guy just burn him like Superman burn Manchester Black brain

You anti-snyder fanatics are a plague for the potential of his universe.

Spiderman es more human for me since he actually has problems to para rent, problems talking with Girls and even if saves the People the media is always against him

I agree that Although batman has a tragic backstory we can’t relate to his lavish lifestyle. But Spiderman’s personal life is very down to earth. He’s an orphan living with his auntie and uncle who tragically died, he’s intelligent but broke, he struggles having relationships with girls and the people he loves are constantly suffering the consequences of his actions, and he’s going through all of this as a teenager and yet he tries to do the right thing. Not only is he relatable, he’s a tragic character.

True, they should have approached little different.

Yeah, he just a nice guy, why it so hard to be a nice guy like really

Its the little details such as this that show what kind of Superman Zack Snyder was directing. I think it actually would've been more fitting if he was able to simply just stand his ground against the guy in the bar scene and not give in to rage at the end by destroying his truck, or even instead of taking someone's clothes, I think it would have been nice if he politely asked the person on their door to kindly borrow some clothes, showing how humble and earnest he is towards others in just one small scene.

You're so petty. 1) that was Clark before he dawned the cape 2) Smallville Clark had done worse, so did reeve's.

The truck scene shows that superman is human that he feels angry. That's a more than powerful scene, besides the trucker deserved it he was a mean guy.

The truck scene is one of the worst superman moments .superman is a very wise person .he would never take petty revenge like that .and the bully learned nothing .clowns will praise garbage

@@herloss448 So any other scene in which superman does not express wisdom is bad? In every superman movie, cartoon, comic he does make a decision which we know he shouldn't have made.

I sadly agree. While Margot Kidder does a fine job capturing Lois stubborness and risk taken attitude her love for Superman comes more because it was the rule for love interest back then. For modern takes, I think they should taken inspiration from Superman& Lois version. She capture Lois personally but the series shows how she doesn't become obsess for Superman. Instead she was the only Daily Planet reporter who was more interest in dealing with the social problems in Metropolis rather than writting about the Man Steel. It's this interest in helping people that cause Clark to fall in love for her and Lois, after seeing Clark genuinie wants to help her, develop feelings for him as well.

Smallville’s version was also good as Clark and Lois were friends for a few years before he became the blur, and then she knew his secret before he became Superman.

Omniman too. Would love to see Superman beat up Ultraman in the DCEU.

@@TheLionKiller101 yeah that would be great to see. But probably not happen given everything Dc is doing which is just basically the 90s after the dark knight returns where everything needs to be dark and gritty. I just hope the flash movie might fix things

@@TheHoboPig I think ever since Aquaman or even Whedon’s Justice League the DCEU has adopted a lighter tone. Even Gunn’s Suicide Squad and Peacemaker are dark and violent but have a lot of heart and humor. I think Flash is intended to reboot things so fingers crossed.

@@TheLionKiller101 same here. I love Peacemaker and The suicide squad because as you said they're dark and violent but have a lot of heart which is what i want to see in future movies. not every superhero needs to be batman

@@TheHoboPigI think the YT channel “Film Theory” gave James Gunn the perfect blueprint: - take care of your heavy hitters first but don’t be afraid to use less popular heroes if the inspiration is there - respect the source material with passionate writers/directors - use different genres instead of forcing everything into the same tone like the gritty Snyderverse - take your time & don’t overload too many projects or plan too far ahead without the chance to course-correct Basically follow the formula of the early 90s - mid 2000s DCAU which checks off all these steps. Thankfully Gunn mentioned he will be taking inspiration from those classic cartoons.

Synder does get super man,watch cosmonaut variety hour doesn’t understand Batman v superman by tex in that video he explains a lot of good points

@@EA-nb5rw tex is Snyder cultist so his opinion is biased. He doesn't know character.

@Erik Kemeey you people always say that!😒

Watch superman and lois

Funny enough the original villian for BvS was actually supposed to be Metallo but WB really wanted to rush the two part movie and turn it into one whole movie, hoping it would make 1bill.

@@bomarean1793 that doesn't surprise me

@@bomarean1793 doesn't make Snyder innocent. He still messed up a lot

@@vikramprasanna8908 you do know zack never commited crimes to be a messed up person, right ?

Batman is the only thing keeping them afloat.

I only fw that Harley quinn show everything else sucks the new suicide squad was meh

@@afroviewer11 GTFOH new SS movie was fire .stick to PG 13 garbage

Okay I meant the DCEU stuff

@@Hamantha If you ask me, DCEU should never exist And instead , Just Snyderverse instead of Studio Squad, Birds of Prey, WW84, .

How?

Snyder does understand the character he is portraying. Snyder refers to many comics, and he deconstructed Superman.

@@bupemwenya9794 if you enjoy his movies no judgement. Snyder's story is an alternate story for Superman and Batman.

@@malcolmroache3854 and snyder definitely understood superman and batman because new 52 exist and elseworld comics exist.

@@malcolmroache3854 I see it as this is not Superman yet and this is not Batman anymore

@@thejoker194 I agree to an extent. I understand what Snyder was trying to do with these characters. He's puts a realistic view on them and that's fine but they are still superheroes. You can have moments and situations that real life applies but don't forget who these characters are. Snyder deconstructs Superman but he doesn't have any values he was taught by Jon and Martha. Batman crosses the line and I understand why but Batman no matter how far he gets down he never crosses the line. That's what Snyder missed.

"MoS left Clark with a renewed sense of hope and good will, now is turned into unexplained grittiness and undeserving misery and brutality" wrong. BvS saw superman face controversy in the public eye. He was criticized for existing, blamed for things he didn't or couldn't do, and feared because of what he could do. Every action he took was viewed as "political" which was explicitly stated in the movie. Superman was stressed because of all the toll this public disdain created. This is nothing new, earth 1, what's wrong truth justice and the American way, red son and even the animated series put superman in this position several times. "Clark killing zod was a lesson for him to vow not to kill again" that's your headcanon and was never stated or implied in MoS. Superman doesn't need to have a "vow" not to kill because he's a normal person. Normal people do not need such a vow they just know it's wrong. Snyders superman much like comic superman will kill only if it's necessary. In Canon he's only killed zod and doomsday, people he's also killed in the comics. He didn't kill the terrorist, he just put him in the hospital. "Moping and being sad all the time isn't human" I'm sorry what magical fantasy unicorn land do you live in? Many people go about their daily lives sad do you know what that's called? DEPRESSION. And unless it's chronic there is always a reason behind it. In supermans case it's humanity being critical of him. How would you feel if every action you took in your life was misrepresented, misunderstood and criticized? Also I love how you leave out the part where he OVERCOMES those negative emotions and sacrifices his life for humanity. His mood is also better in his next movie. Do you know what that's called? A character arc. Stop ignoring half an arc to further your narrative. At best its ignorance on your part at worst intellectual dishonesty. "Clark just looks on in silence while a bomb blows up around him" Clark's face is clearly sad. He felt guilty he couldn't stop it. Why is silence a problem? Is there a set standard for how people should react to traumatic events? "This superman barely even speaks...." this isn't a valid criticism. The only time this actually holds true is his confrontation with batman where his lines were contrived to start a fight "That in the next scene batman keeps killing people left and right without care" wrong interpretation of his arc. Batman spared superman, he realized he was going to kill someone innocent and stopped. That didn't change how he fought crime that just changed how he viewed himself and superman. He goes on a frenzie to save Martha, he's desperate to save a parent. It's only after supermans death that he proclaims, "men are still good" which is when he completely changes the way he fights crime. This is shown in the next movie, suicide squad where he not only tries to peacefully arrest dead shot and reason with him, but he also tries to SAVE JOKER AND HARLEY FROM DROWNING. BvS batman would have never did something like that. Supermans death caused batman to want to honor his memory by viewing humanity as "good" or "redeemable" and that extends to villians. "Why is iris so calm when she's about to die?"I love how you say the scene doesn't matter yet you ask questions that don't matter. But to answer, she's calm simply because she had no time to react. By the time she's hit she's launched out thr car, she would have died instantly. In regards to the scene as a whole, you mention later on the flashs powers are explained yes but his powers are SHOWN here. Show don't tell. Furthermore it gives characterization for Barry. It shows how competent, careful and methodical he is with his powers. "Snyder makes his films with religious metaphors" every live action superman movie has done this, that's nothing special

@@elijahlee3610 u dont have to cry for a horribly written superman with a boring wall of text bro .spiderman is always getting criticism . but does he back down ? no cuz he knows that what he does is for the greater good .

@@herloss448 bvs superman never backed down either so your point is invalid. Side note Henry's superman was the only live action movie superman to face opposite from society.

@@elijahlee3610 lol face opposite from society .so its a new idea ? he lasered down a ship in the middle of the city killing ppl and destroying buildings .he made out with lois lane standing in a human wasteland and the worst thing is he can hear the ppl who need help .u are a walking L bro .hes a horrible person raised by a horrible man who said son maybe u should let ur classmates die cuz ur identity is more important than a bunch of innocent kids .yeah anyone would hate him .BTW snyder is a big hack who made a generic action movie with a plot of a another hack director Michael bay movie .4 villains with that dude and 3 of them wants to turn earth in to their planet and ppl are not happy with the hero saying hes the one to blame .where have i seen that before ? oh right transformers movies😂😂

@@herloss448 oh my god you are the type of guy who doesn't want a forrest gump superman, That fucking sucks for you XD.

Along with Frank Miller.

@@DinoDave150 Hate to say it, but I’m still convinced that the “Snyder Cut” is more of a “Terrio Cut.” Chris Terrio, writer of Argo, wrote the screenplay for Justice League and I find it hard to believe that the guy who said he’d have Batman gang-raped in prison, and made Superman a stone-faced objectivist, would give Cyborg a scene where he gives a struggling mother more than enough cash to pay her rent, avoid eviction, and support her kids. Sorry, but I’m not convinced.

@@jakebeninato9938 actually thzt batman rape quote is basically a WHAT IF scenario about IF batman is a watchmen character instead of 1939 version.

@@jakebeninato9938 actually when snyder did " stone faced objectivist" It's also another WHAT IF Scenario about if superman landed on Ancient Sparta.

@@jakebeninato9938 I wouldn't give Terrio too much credit since this is also the same guy who wrote Rise of Skywalker and gave us Rey Palpatine. Justice League and Argo were a case of a broken clock being right twice a day as far as I'm concerned with Terrio.

But didn't young justice make superman look bad especially the first season with how they handled superboy and supermans relationship and after that didn't they pretty such sideline supes throughout the following seasons with him being borderline useless unless he was a villians brainwashed tool

@@warlord8106 That’s the thing with Superman we see how he makes mistakes and actually tries to change from them, with man of steel he never really had any redemption for the choices he made he was petty and destroyed that guys car, killed zodd, and just didn’t feel like Superman at all, even in smallville superman as a younger kid made mistakes but by the end of the episode or season he grew from them

@@warlord8106 and the reason Superman was always sidelined because the show is legit called YOUNG justice it’s not called Superman my guy it’s about the younger generation of heroes hence why it barely gives the og heroes any spotlight

Ikr, i’ve never seen this clip but this literally screams everything superman is against.

That’s why WB is erasing the SnyderVerse in ‘The Flash’ film.

I’m sure he could have done Lobo or some other actual antihero.

@@theawesomebat1244 which is honestly disappointing in my opinion.

Good riddance he doesn't do now .WB did that parr right

Or Brad Bird

@@kaustubhpalkar792 For the Flash they could go with someone like Peyton Reed or James Gunn, who can do this fun colorful adventure movies with epic sci-fy concepts but human and relatable characters.

@@kaustubhpalkar792 He could work as well, but I think Fraveour could work better in a Batman and Robin movie, giving them that father-son relationship vibe he gave to Mando and Baby Yoda (not saying Reeves can't do that, but I think Fraveour has more experience with this types of story).

@@kaustubhpalkar792 Good choices, although I would make some few changes. 1 Brad Bird directing a Justice League movie 2 Sam Raimi directing a Superman movie 3 Rian Johnson directing a Batman movie 4 Caity Lotz directing a Wonder Woman movie 5 Peyton Reed directing a Flash movie 6 Jon Fraveur directing a Green Lantern Corps movie

@@alexandrefrauches132 just imagine a DC animated universe which animation style and character design is inspired by the incredibles movie. A DC animated universe which is inspired by Brad bird's the incredibles.